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They are Quitters!

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Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
They are Quitters!

Sometime ago in the pages of Time Magazine an article introduced America to an idea that had struck fear in the hearts of racial and cultural purist all across the American landscape. Everyone from the Neo Nationalist Skinhead militias to old ladies drinking coffee with their sisters from the Daughters of the Revolution swallowed hard and buried their fingernails from their clenched fists intro their palms as they were reminded of the inevitable truth that in one way or another the color of America was changing. It seems that the bulk of in fluxing legal immigrants are not from Western or even Eastern Europe anymore but Asia, Africa and South America. The Minorities that were less than three percent of the population just a few decades back have now swelled to over twenty percent. African Americans although not increasing disproportionately to the general population have segregated economically into two extremes all but eliminating the once burgeoning black middle class. What is happening here explicated the Time's article is a browning of America. The culture of American cities are now teaming with the smells and sounds of the middle east, the Carib and West Africa. African Americans of affluence have sought to find refuge in historically black cultural bulwarks but those of few means have done what generations past have done grin and bear it.

But other Americans, or should I say, self perceived real Americans have not taken this so quietly. It seems that the America that is, is not the America that was. This is not because it has incurred more financial burdens than it can bear, not because it is refusing to represent the will of the people, not because it is infringing on civil liberties or constitutional rights, not because of the megalithic corporations that seem to be running amok or the national debt that seems to be brought out increasingly by foreign investors. It is not for any of these reasons because if you dig just underneath each of these issue you'll find barely any roots to sustain the monumental proportions that they are expressed to be. America has and will always have a deficit. These are the US Treasury bonds that we so love to include as part of our retirement portfolios. America is still a democracy with elected officials from the federal to the municipal level. Americas civil liberties and constitutional rights have never in history been more adequately represented than in this day and age. Those corporations that we fear have been around in some case for over a century and a half. Americas National debit is mostly Social Security Income to you guessed it Americans.

The fear mongering that prevails in the news today both seemingly liberal and The FOX News Channel (c) are the product of a backlash that has been swelling like a tsunami that had to recede before it crashed upon the shore. From the free love era of the 60's to the seemingly harmonious 70's Disco on thru the 80's, 90's, 00's up to today the era of the quiet docile All American Family taking a back seat was just the receding tide building up strength for the Tidal Wave. Today Governors all across the country are touting the rights of the States over the federal government. In a seeming flood of unrelated issues they are testing to see if they can indeed challenge the Federal Government and win. Some want looser state controlled gun regulations. Some want to seize National Guards and Federal land in their States. But all are acting in the Spirit of the Tea Party movement that say. If we shout loud enough then it must make it true.

The question you dear reader should ask yourself is: Why Now? What is so different today than yesterday? What is most significant is that article I mentioned. What is most significant is that America did not elect it's first black president but that it elected its first multiracial, multicultural and multi- ethnic president. Maybe America is not ready for an African American President yet but it is certainly ready for one who can represent the many facets of this country that have surfaced over the past 40 years and that is the straw that broke the so called conservative camels back.

Lets not be ignorant of the facts. Those that are complaining are not conservatives in the way the rest of us imagine, fiscal, social, political. They are conservatives about the America that no longer is. Dare I say it? Oh! Why the hell not! The perceived racially pure America. They want their pristine undefiled America back and if they can't have it then they will rip this country to shreds. They will break it up politically, socially, economically, environmentally until there is no United States of America. Can you see it now? That is why they lament the US as past history. It is because they do not see a place for themselves of cooperation in America present, so they seek to destroy it. They liked the America where they got to squash all other ethnicity and now that they have to play fare they want to stop playing. They are quitters.
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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23 months ago: Immigration quotas were controlled by the Immigration Act of 1924. It reduced the number of immigrants to 2% of the already residing Americans from that national origin. This was designed to reduce the amount of southern and eastern European immigrants, which had been pouring into the US starting in the late 1800's. It was also to keep the number of East Asians and Asian Indians down. However, the act set no quotas on the amount of Latin Americans allowed to immigrate.

IN 1965, the Hart-Cellar Act abolished the national origin quotas, but the tables were lopsided, limiting the western hemisphere to 120,000 per year, and the eastern hemisphere to 170,000 per year, thus a higher influx of orientals, arabs, africans, indians, and so on. Add to that the fact that family related immigration, an anchor immigrant can then send for his entire family, outside the quota system.

Then factor in the 1980 Refugee Act, which adds another 270,000 refugees per year, plus their entire families, and you can see why the landscape is changing so rapidly in the past forty years.

Filipino, Vietnamese, Korean, Iraqis, Burmese, Bhutan, Liberian, Haitian, Cuban, Somalian, all have swelled their ranks through the refugee act. It's not that the other countries don't want to immigrate here. They can't, by U.S. law.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Nicely Put, except not completely accurate. Americas immigration policy reflects who are and aren't considered enemies to American foreign policy. Some people can immigrate no problem others problem. We don't exactly want a bunch of America hating terrorist immigrating to the US do we? We know exactly what can happen when that is allowed to occur. Don't we?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: Then factor in the fact that both black and white Americans have less than sustainable replacement birth rates, with white women at a measly 1.8 children per woman, and black women barely any better at 2.2 births per woman, while hispanics are at the 3.0 level or better, and many of the other ethnicities pushing much higher birth rates than both black and white women.

Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Native born white birthrates are not declining. They are just not increasing in proportion to what is characterized as "Hispanic" birth rates. Also Asian American birthrates as well as Asian immigration rates are increasing at larger numbers than WASP's can manage to keep up with.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: That's where you are absolutely mistaken. Did you do any research to back up your claim, or is that just a gut feeling?

White and black reported birthrates have been in almost continuous decline since the early 18th century.
http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/haine...

In the past few years, there was a celebratory sigh of relief when birthrates actually temporarily surged to almost replacement levels. This is a trend that will most likely not last long, due to economic factors discouraging responsible people from having children they cannot provide for. This leaves room for less responsible people, which believe that the government is supposed to provide for them, to have as many as they want.


http://discuss.prb.org/content/interview...

Mary Mederios Kent:
Fertility tends to decline as education level increases. Women may put off marriage and children to further their education, then to get established in the labor force.

Women age 40 to 44 with no high school education had about 2.5 children in 2004, compared with 1.6 children among women with a graduate or professional degree.

Fertility by income follows a similar pattern.
23 months ago: Brass tacks, Brother. What are the Racial abortion stats? You want to talk decline?
What are the racial stats on unmarrired births? You want to talk decline? What are the racial stats on teen pregnancies? You want to talk decline? Decline of who?

You are the perfect racist on the horizon.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Why are Christians so concerned about skin color and other racial components? It wasn't that long ago (i.e. the year 2000) when fundamentalist schools like Bob Jones University finally ended their bans on inter-racial dating. What in the Bible did Bob Jones use to prohibit Christians of different skin colors from dating?

Interestingly, the Mormons didn't even allow blacks in their so called priesthood until 1978 and than suddenly they claimed god changed his mind.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Ever heard of the term WASP Mark? It is part of the cultural tradition in this country that racial purists are working hard to preserve. Either by dismantling America into 50 separate Nation States Where they can gather their own into one or more of those Nation States and form a Constitutional Republic that does not allow the voice of a democratic majority akin to what is happening in the USA where their so called traditional Christian voice is being replaced by secular heathens like yourself and negro loving minorities Christian revisionist cult members like myself, or by systematic exclusion and elimination of the poor, the frail, the old, the brown immigrant and its own "lazy" negro population. I often wondered why "They" were so anti abortion? It's just like Nazi Germany where woman were forced to become breeding machines to increase the pure German population. I wonder what is next fore this Neo-WASP movement, genetic manipulation and experimentation? For the reader who doesn't know, WASP is an acronym for White Anglo Saxon Protestant.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: Oh, I thought the birth rate was in decline because of another kind of WASP.

The White Atheist Sexual Pervert. ;>p
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: 'White Atheist Sexual Pervert'

Hey, that's an original - maybe you can parlay it into some cash. Those Evangelical comedians on TBN and the 700 Club are always looking for new material.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: Yeah, I agree with the "comedians" part. Seems like those guys will just blurt out the most insane thoughts, and because they say it on national tv, then they have to defend the asinine thing they said with more inane drivel. I was hoping Falwell didn't get his eight million dollars he said God told him to ask for. I wanted to see which method God was going to use when He called old Jerry home.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: Ooops, that was Oral Roberts. He asked for eight million, and got nine million. There you go sixholdens, just do it once, and then use that extra million to do enough good in the world to justify it.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: Who said anything about Christians? Was it the Christians performing racial and ethnic cleansing in Somalia? Serbia? South Africa? Darfur?

The only thing most Americans ask of our immigrants is simple. Don't come here and expect us to change to your way of doing things to accommodate you. Don't expect us to learn every language spoken here, and don't expect any special treatment. Once you become an American you are not a guest in our home, you are a member of the household, and are expected to pull your own weight.
23 months ago: I can agree with most of that! Pull you own weight and don't expect those already here to change to fit "your" imported culture. You can keep it, but don't expect "me" to adjust my culture to it.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
23 months ago: T bills aren't that bad, its when the FED purchases them that makes them bad. The Treasury simply gets double the money, that is what is compunding the debt so bad. By a $10 k T-bill, they get Ten k, then the Fed buys that debt for a little less by printing money, and your dollar gets debased by that amount. $10 k seems small but it is just an example, multiply that by millions and that is our mess. That is what we don't want, and hopefully we will "End the Fed"
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
23 months ago: We are not quitting, hell we are just getting started after a 100 year hibernation
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago:
Mighty kind of you to admit there is a "We" and that what we are discussing here has been "started". Very insightful and revealing Billy. Again, thank you for your honesty.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Like I said, it's refreshing to read that someone is admitting there is a "We" behind this madness. You are wrong, by the way but I'm glad your admitting that there is a "we"
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
23 months ago: I'm not really talking about racial purity, I am talking about tearing apart this disaster of a legacy that the progressives of the early 20th century and the baby boomers have left us with. FED reserve, the litigation generation, socialism (at any stage), indoctrination in education, disinterest in politics (by way of the 17th amend), political correctness etc.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: Good Post and it is refreshing to hear what everyone knows is happening but has been reluctant to come out and say it because of Political correctness.

Europe Russia and a lot of other places have a problem because when they become more affluent their birth rate goes down, so it is below the replacement rate.

What that means is that they have a bunch of old farts retiring and counting on pension systems that are supported by a diminishing pool of workers. It is getting difficult to find workers in those countries.

The obvious answer it to increase immigration and then the immigrants (once educated and trained) can take over the aging work force and pay taxes to keep the economy going and to pay into those pension plans.

What this means is that each of these countries will have to deal with these minorities and their different cultures and religions. There are real difficulties and a lot of resistance from the old guard, because they fear loosing jobs to people willing to work harder for less.

Eventually everyone will all be various beautiful shades of golden brown.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: BINGO Altruist, that is very similar to what is hapening here!
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
23 months ago: "Eventually everyone will all be various beautiful shades of golden brown."

Truer words were never spoken.

The facts are clear, America has more than the 20 percent of minorities.

"The Minorities that were less than three percent of the population just a few decades back have now swelled to over twenty percent."

Latinos alone make up more than 21 to 22 %, the blacks follow with another 20% or more.

The other minorities follow with a small number, maybe 10% or less.

But because the census list white Latinos in the white category, as white.

The minorities may be over 50% of the nation already.

This is the way predestined, the meek shall inherit America.

Not intended as a joke but a part of life.

When a race can not keep up its own numbers, it is taken over by those that breed as fast as rabbits.

Nature is cruel and just. Survival is a part of our human history.

Today survival for all men is hard. We live in hard times.

People will migrate to where there are jobs and a pay check.

America is no longer a majority white nation, but a very mixed country.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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http://freedom-school.com/law/prison_tre...

http://freedom-school.com/keating/how-a-...

Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: I've tried to characterize the point I've often made of America always being a mixed nation as a good thing. I've tried to demonstrate that the hue and languages that are being infused into our way of life change little how America acts and thinks. Older generations have always been dissatisfied with newer ones. None of this has changed over the two and a half hundred years that America has been a nation. The mixing began a long, long time ago, as Sixholden said elsewhere, it is who we are, mixed that is. What is new and troubling is that racial purists who live under the delusion that their race, culture, language and religion are pure, are working tirelessly to destroy America because they can't change back it's hue and culture to a more palatable flavor. They are not only ready and willing but it seems also able to destroy what their parents have built simply because the next generation of Americans to help keep the system going do not look as much like them as they had wished.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: If you take the facts and events out of anything what do you have left racism? So everything is happening because we have a black president? The stock market plummeted because we have a black president, health care is being rebelled against because we have a black president, 9/11 occurred because they somehow knew a black president would someday sit in the oval office...all I hear being preached here is bigotry and more hatred. Just as dumb and ignorant as telling a fat person that they are fat..someone should tell SS Obama is black and then SS please remind Obama and the rest of nation he is black.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Funny, I don't ever recall saying he is African American. I think you are the one saying he is black. I've said he is mixed. Why are you interpreting mixed as being black? Do you only see things in black and white?
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Siempre said:
What is so different today than yesterday? What is most significant is that article I mentioned. What is most significant is that America did not elect it's first black president but that it elected its first multiracial, multicultural and multi- ethnic president. Maybe America is not ready for an African American President yet but it is certainly ready for one who can represent the many facets of this country that have surfaced over the past 40 years and that is the straw that broke the so called conservative camels back.

Spare me the second grade psychology rebuttals. Which looking at the above quote I don't think you know what he is yourself. First it multi-ethnic then one sentence later it is African American.

My whole point it is not the color of the skin that makes a person who they are it is their actions. When you say America is not ready for an African American president you are degrading all black Americans. Your belief or what I seen from your posting is that any black American is better than no black American as President. Their is alot more to life than the color of ones skin.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Again, I didn't say he weas African American. I said America did not elect its first black president. It elected its first multiethnic president. That is why I said perhaps America is not ready for its first African American president. I've told you this over and over. You just don't seem to have the capasity to understand the difference between black, African American, Multiracial, multiethnic, etc. Perhaps I should write a rave just for your benefit so that you can see the diffefrence in each meaning.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: ...I said America did not elect its first black president. It elected its first multiethnic president...

Aren't most people multi-ethnic? Race is just a subset of ethnicity but let's say Colin Powell was elected President in the future. As he was born to two black parents and was raised in Harlem, would that fit your definition of first black President?
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Rev. Wright claimed Obama was not black too Siempre. it is this hatred when one can not see past ones color of their skin is what I am saying. You say multi-ethnic I say black because my eyes don't deceive me. That is why I said do you go around telling people they are fat do you? One pop star that struggle with this very issue was Michael Jackson he could not understand people liked his music regardless the color of his skin. But surgery after surgery he tried to erase his ethnicity.

You are proposing America is not ready for anyone of color to hold a political office. Well I am sorry to say they are and will continue to do just that. It was not the color of their skin that got them were they are although some racist bigot might disagree. It was because We the people voted them into office.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Whatever the color of you skin SS their comes personal accountability. Each man, women and child is subject to the same laws and has the same rights. They each have their own principles and make their own personal choices. Could it be, could it possibly be that the majority that are judging Obama not because the color of his skin but the actions he is taking?

With your rationalization one would only assume all Americans are racist to the core but what you fail to see is how far America has come to stop racism from spreading. You fail to recognize the achievements of well known black men and women that attained civil rights. I am truly sorry it has taken this long to see a black man or women in the oval office but only a few short years ago did they fight and win their civil liberties they deserved. I am sorry we have not seen a women as President but in due time we will. But guess what SS even though they are black,white male, or female does not make them superior over one another just look at Jimmy Carter he failed as a president but he was white male? It just means he was not fit to be president.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Wrong rant Scott.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Oh I see how it is Siempre, you been listening to Preacher Wright now.
23 months ago: Sometimes to improve something you have to get rid of the old one. I'm not advocating we destroy the America we have, but let's take a few good hard looks at it and figure out what works, what doesn't work and start to rebuild it in it's true former image.

Not the Republican or Democratic one, not the Evangelical Christian one, not the repressive, all for me, none for you, greedy capitalist one, and not the gimme, gimme, gimme, I don't want to work for my bread and butter one either. Let's take it back to the "we are here to make a better place for us all to live in peace with each other one". A place where your neighbor won't look down on you because you are of a different color or religion. A place where your religion is your religion, not your neighbors business. A place where a person can work and get paid a fair wage for his work. A place where when a business gets profitable, it returns that profit to the people who made it possible instead of one or two at the top putting it in an offshore bank where it benefits no one but themselves. A place where innovation is not crushed by the old ways of doing things. A place where the police aren't the former class bully.

I can go on and on, but I think you get the idea. It is up to all of us to make this country into this ideal place and I really believe that it can be done, it just may take another 200 years.

Good post SS.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Thank You, Well put!
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: "because you are of a different color or religion. "

I'm sorry you confusing a political system and what people choose to be. No system will get rid of hatred. Their will always be one person that is bitter towards his neighbor. Atleast with God in charge we have a society that puts limits on itself. That has a sense of morals, the society we live in is godless to the core. Most assume to spit in his face or spit in the face of believers. Garbage in garbage out and that is what we live in now.

Lets take a hard look at one of the problems facing society which is utter selfishness, personal gratification over responsibility. Parents abandoning God's children, parents abusing God's children. In what I mean by children I mean all children not the ones that believe in God all of them. It is rampant throughout our society of dead beat mothers and fathers. I recently had a long talk with a case worker for childrens protection services. She was telling me this abuse and abandonment is a common occurrence and supersedes all demographics, ethnicity and gender, of how her own niece abandoned her child for 3 days straight without food and water. No our time is very close to be judged by our maker and each of us will be held personally accountable for what society has become.

So you can wait for the perfect political and social system six I recognize without God it will never happen.
23 months ago: God has nothing to do with putting limits on society. Society puts limits upon itself regardless of a belief in an invisible being. Self preservation takes over long before the tenants of any religion or belief in a higher being can even be discussed much less forced upon the masses. Something you seem to not realize, morals do not come from God or religion, they come from the individual's sense of right and wrong and justice, things that cannot be attributed to a book or belief. You may get yours from there, but the majority of humanity does not and has not for many thousands of years. In other words, long, long, long before your religion was ever even dreamed up.

Just think. The morality of the Christian faith brought us the Crusades and many other untold millions of needless deaths can be attributed to many other of your supposedly morally superior religions.

I'm not confusing anything. A political system is what its citizen chose it to be.

You are right about getting rid of hatred, the "system" won't do it, its people have to work to do it. It won't happen in any of our lifetimes, if ever. There are just too many perceived differences between one person and the next.

When you figure out that "End day" give me a call and be sure and sign all your worldly possessions over to me before you go, I need new toys and since you think this is going to happen soon....... maybe you should do it now. (I won't need your wood stove though, it uses too much fuel.)
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Six, When this fundy rapture happens, I've got dibbs on Benny Hinn's $10 Million dollar seaside mansion, and you can have Kenneth Copeland's lavish lakeside home, all 18,000 square feet and his private fleet of jets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Tx_EqVm...
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: If you learn one thing about me Mark let it be this. I don't tithe to a church nor do I go to church. I don't put my trust in one man's ministry I put trust in God. Nor do I watch television evangelists. I don't believe in passing around a church plate making the poor feel like they must give to attain salvation. I hold to no doctrines either. It is just God and me when it comes to that personal relationship.
23 months ago: Done deal! I've been wanting to get back in the air again, hope there will be a pilot or two left as I prefer riding in the back since I never learned to "drive the bus".
23 months ago: Scot, actually good to hear you say that, you think for yourself on this life issue.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: If God was about personal pleasure you would see many people believe in Him but he is not, with believing in God you a subject to his rules he has laid out in the Bible. You are accountable for your own personal convictions. No man-made law can force you to take a hard look at your convictions that can only be obtained through God. No man-made law can go as far as God's law that says if you look on your neighbors wife with a lustful eye it is the same as sleeping with her. It is only through God the perfect social and political system will come. The ones that created this Nation sought God and listened to their own convictions. Without Him and his convictions He gives us we are left to do it our way and what you have now is our way which is godlessness to the core.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: "Just think. The morality of the Christian faith brought us the Crusades and many other untold millions of needless deaths can be attributed to many other of your supposedly morally superior religions."

You can concentrate on the past misdeeds all you want that is your stumbling block just like the racial hatred of the past is stumbling block for many people. My stumbling block I certainly know what it is but that is between me and God. Just like yours is Six.

Salvation is only obtained through that recognition that we fall short.
23 months ago: Viva La Seimpre este La Leyenda Negra! Incluso si es solo en su mente.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: A legend in his own mind, eh? That would probably apply to half the people in Rant Rave ʘ‿ʘ
23 months ago: Please fell free to include the entire statement in your translation.
23 months ago: I stopped reading machine code along time ago. Try Cuban since your in Orlando.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: You brought up legend and you brought up black, so in my estimation I must be a black legend in your mind, heh! Thank you but no thank you.
23 months ago: Siempre:

You are the ONLY one talking race.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: YOu know talk is cheap. That is not what Americans should be worried about. I wish it was just talk. I wrote what my concern is but you haven't addressed it. So let me repeat it for you. What about the systematic dismantelling of our democratic nation inorder to build a more "traditional" one as constitutional republic instead of a democracy?
23 months ago: Ooops. Sorry. I missed your point. I got it now.

Your point is complete and utter jibberish.

Okay?
23 months ago: ............and I fully support the Constitution and the republic it set up.

Not the country fools have warped to what it is today.

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: S.S.

What???? OH, you're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: How is he joking when you have blithering fundy nuts on the right who claim that America is a Republic not a democracy as though the terms are mutually exclusive? Just in case you don't think so, let's look at the "Evil Empire" speech from your ultimate hero, Ronald Reagan (see link below). The only time he used Republic was the Federal Republic of Germany and the Republican Party.

Conversely, he used the word democratic and democracy countless times in comparing democracy to the totalitarian regime of the Soviet Union. Since we're a Republic with with a representative form of democracy, the terms are mutually compatible. Wonder how Reagan would react to Beck the Buffoon as he pejoratively defined democracy as "Two wolves and sheep deciding what to have for lunch?" He'd probably laugh and say, "There you go again." or maybe he'd reply from a speech he made in Moscow, "Democracy is less a system of government than it is a system to keep government limited, unintrusive; a system of constraints on power to keep politics and government secondary.."

Yep, leave it Beck and his fundy nut followers to turn democracy into a dirty word.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1982r...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: The comment Beck made, widely misattributed to Ben Franklin, is thought to have originated with James Bovard, the libertarian author.

It is also given to Larry Flynt, that fundy nut job in charge of the Hustler empire, sworn enemy of the Republican Party.

"I'm so passionate about the First Amendment because I see it as the cornerstone of our democracy. The First Amendment gets its vitality and meaning from the unrestricted right of free choice. Majority rule will only work if you're considering individual rights. You can't have five wolves and one sheep vote on what they want to have for supper, because the sheep will lose every time. I've always seen my role as protecting that sheep, those individuals. " - Larry Flynt.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Amen Mark!

They just don't like to here us calling them out on their own stupid rantings!

Well, I did and that is what they are trying to do. They couldn't win last go around and so why not finish the job they started and send the country down the Crapper!

markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: So you're saying Beck 'studies' Hustler Magazine for his political education. Good one OOTB!
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: Nah, more likely he got the quote from Bovard.

Flynt, who made his fortune from the misery of others, miserable blight on humanity that he is, stole a line from a libertarian to shore up his Democratic party line.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: So Flynt and Beck latched on to the comment - guess birds of a feather flock together or think alike.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: That is just so deep!!
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: Again I disagree. I think it just means that whoever considers himself the sheep at any particular moment is the one who feels his rights are being threatened by the majority rule. For example, if military pension cuts were ever voted on by a country looking to save money where ever they could...then retired military personnel would feel like the poor innocent sheep being picked on by the wolves. It's all rhetoric anyway, designed to conjure a mental image of mortal peril.
I don't think there will be a vote anytime soon to decide which of us will actually get eaten.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: ...For example, if military pension cuts were ever voted on by a country looking to save money...

A better example might be cutting the tax exempt status for Churches but you're right - it's all rhetoric anyway.
23 months ago: I am all for cutting the tax exempt status for religious organizations. How do we do that?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
23 months ago: Oddly enough, I agree with you on ending tax exempt status on churches, except for the actual charitable work that they do. That should still be tax deduction for them, but anything else is fair game. Might be a good rant in there somewhere.
scotmanster
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23 months ago: We do not live in a democratic nation you should look up what a true democracy is and get back to us on how your comment is wrong. We live in a republic I don't care what spin you put on it that is the fact. Should I give you what the definition and differences make up each of them? Better yet try doing some research on it.

Our system mimics the political system Rome had. Rome was a Christian nation too. They where a republic we are a republic but with a much more stable system. If you take out the special interest groups, if you take out the banks and credit cards if you take out political irresponsibility, if you take out the stock market what you have left is a republic.

Have you ever heard of the united states of America being refereed to as democratic states of America? No you have not because that is incorrect we are the republic states of America. So please get this fancy out of your head we are a democracy. Don't confuse Democratic and Republican those are only party lines. Maybe we should call America, the independent states of America? Makes just as much as coining it as the democratic states of America. I mean it is a party line and that is what you yourself are doing Siempre.
scotmanster
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23 months ago: I should have added in mark's name too. You of all people Mark should know this. I think some of your guys ideas are really smart and I am being honest but I am not sure why I am sitting here having a debate of whether we are a republic or democracy...Stop listening to the TV and open up a history book.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: "This democracy of ours which sometimes we've treated so lightly, is more than ever a comfortable cloak, so let us not tear it asunder, for no man knows once it is destroyed where or when he will find its protective warmth again...Ronald Reagan"

http://reagan2020.us/speeches/Your_Ameri...
scotmanster
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23 months ago: What I mean by you of all people Mark. It was not long ago we had a discussion I made the remark "Rome fell because of sin". You all called me on it. What did I do? I went out and studied about the Roman Republic and did in fact find out I was wrong but I learned an important fact while I was at it. In that American political system is in fact a Republic just like The Republic of Rome was a republic. Our elected officials are elected by the people Rome had the same system setup. It is not and was not majority rule like a democracy is.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: I don't care what Reagan said or what Bush said or what Obama will say..this is not about some twisted political hack ideologies this is about facts and only facts.
markbyrn
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23 months ago: 'History is a ribbon, always unfurling; history is a journey. And as we continue our journey, we think of those who traveled before us. We stand together again at the steps of this symbol of our democracy--or we would have been standing at the steps if it hadn't gotten so cold. Now we are standing inside this symbol of our democracy...Ronald Reagan'

http://reagan2020.us/speeches/Second_Ina...

How is that the hero of conservatives failed to understand that we don't live in a democracy?
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: What do want me to say Mark? Reagan can tell me blue in the face from his grave we live in a democracy I will tell him he is a liar.
markbyrn
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23 months ago: Democracy is not dying. We know it because we have seen it revive -- and grow. We know it cannot die -- because it is built on the unhampered initiative of individual men and women joined together in a common enterprise -- an enterprise undertaken and carried through by the free expression of a free majority. We know it because democracy alone, of all forms of government, enlists the full force of men's enlightened will. We know it because democracy alone has constructed an unlimited civilization capable of infinite progress in the improvement of human life. We know it because, if we look below the surface, we sense it still spreading on every continent -- for it is the most humane, the most advanced, and in the end the most unconquerable of all forms of human society...Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, 1861
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: And your point Mark? please why don't you post all the quotes you found on Google with typing in the keyword democracy quotes? So I know how much wealth is stored up in that brain of yours.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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23 months ago: Democratical States must always feel before they can see: it is this that makes their Governments slow, but the people will be right at last.
George Washington, letter to Marquis de Lafayette, July 25, 1785
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Scot,

Go back to what I wrote earlier, "blithering fundy nuts on the right who claim that America is a Republic not a democracy as though the terms are mutually exclusive?..Since we're a Republic with with a representative form of democracy (not pure, not direct, not mob rule), the terms are mutually compatible", and that's how our illustrious leaders from the beginning understood it.

To say that Reagan, Lincoln, Washington, etc. are liars is blithering lunacy.
scotmanster
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23 months ago: Don't you like to jump fences when quotes fit your argument.
scotmanster
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23 months ago: Let me guess your going to quote Bush next and tell me how what he says is the golden horse shoe?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: No, I was quoting from your side of the fence for maximum effect - what good would it be if I quoted JFK or Roosevelt? In any event, you know I don't restrict myself to one side of the partisan fence - each issue on it's own merit.
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22 months ago: I am a independent seeings how both sides of the fence do not know what they actually are nowadays. Each of them has no backbone and votes for whatever will get them the biggest raise or says what they think will get them relected. Congress is a sham.
23 months ago: And I resent you suggesting members of the Daughters of the American Revolution are racists.

Deeply.

Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Resent all you want!
23 months ago: Press 9 for Farsi.
Press 22 for Gujarati.
Press ** for Tagalog.
23 months ago: The folks elected just another smooth talking lawyer whose idea of truth is as fluid as his oratory.
Since I am no more in favor of white folks in the mold of Clinton, (or Corzine, or Bloomberg, Schumer, Kennedy, Pelosi et al) I am not so easily badgered by the racial huckstering of those who tell me I must embrace the admixture of his ilk with Sharptonian pandering or risk being called a racist.
Gimme Walter Williams, Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell, and throw in Alan Keyes.
Maybe folks didn't hear Keyes too well for the brief moments he had the national ear...the nation that turns its back on God, embraces depravity and invites its own destruction.
Sure, he's had to endure accusations of financial irregularities...and that even "those close to him seem to like him the least". Gee.
Better yet, gimme a man like Golda Meir, or Maggie Thatcher.
I don't think the pandering mob's got it in them.
I know they don't.


23 months ago: Right on Greg.

We know who the racists are.
23 months ago: Oh, I think I'm getting it.
If you don't want to chip in for the gas to drive the bus off the cliff...you are a spoil sport and a quitter...
22 months ago: Siempre:

I apologize.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
22 months ago: RSG,
I'm confused! Why are you apologizing?

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