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The purpose of the Creator

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(I reccommend Atheists and agnostics reading this, to first read the proof for the existence of a Creator at bloganders.blogspot.com (right menu))

Undoubtedly many people have religious experiences. An important question is if all (if any) religious experiences also indicate a communication with the Creator of the universe. Many devotees of all religions would answer that the religious experiences that the followers of the other religions have only are brain constructions, and that they are not indicators of a communication to the Creator. Or could it be that the followers of all religions originates from the Creator; which would imply that the contradictions and conflicts among all religions reflect an intrinsic and internal cognitive dissonance and dysfunction within a self-contradicting Creator?

Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator.

An orderly—"not capricious," as Einstein put it—Creator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Torah , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Torah; —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (A part of this post is a quote from www.netzarim.co.il , where you also will learn more about how to relate to the Creator.)

The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.

Anders Branderud
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25 months ago: Interesting point of view.

In you understanding, what do we do about sin? How does the Creator view the fallen state of His creation? Is there a remedy?
25 months ago: OOPs found the below on another post.

"Ribi Yehoshua ha-Mashiakh lived and kept Torah with the sincerest of his heart, died innocently and became a sacrifice. "

Please explain how this atones and makes us rightous in the sight of the Creator.

Thx.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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25 months ago: Anders,

I'll rephrase a previous comment I made to fit here:

The Jewish apologist will often present indirect proof of a deity through the cosmological argument or teleological reasoning.

However, even if one rationally deduces a deity that exists outside of time and space (becoming an agnostic creationist), it would be a contradiction of rational deduction to leap the chasm of logic to identity the deity as a entity that created time, space, and human beings for the purpose of self-gratifying worship, and to insanely order it's human creations to butcher each other. For example, to quote the The Tanakh:

'Thus saith HaShem of hosts: I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up out of Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ****.'

Only a barbaric kook could formulate such a deity. So while you can rationally deduce a creator, you can't rationally or logically put a face to it, especially one that does the above.
25 months ago: MB,

If you make a mountain of PlayDoh, don't you have a right to destroy it?
markbyrn
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25 months ago: Huey,

So you're comparing your version of God to a capricious and fickle child? If that's the case, just imagine when you get up to the pearly gates and show your Jesus saves card only to hear the fickle child God laugh, "what a sucka! - you thought it would be that easy - lol - I'll squash you like a bug"

You can conjure up whatever god or no god you want, but when the imagined god is vainglorious and orders human violence, it's not only an absurd contradiction of rationalism and pure fantasy, but it becomes a malignant reality when the faithful start killing in the name of their god.
25 months ago: Following the teachings of Jesus Christ is anything but easy.

You have no idea how many times I screw up. Sometimes on purpose, but most often not.

The salvation part is easy; I receive the gift and accept the provided forgiveness for my shortcomings.

The working out part in order to enjoy heaven on earth is the hard part. For me that takes some serious commitment. I don't play games with it.

So far so good. I just keep looking forward and am enjoying the trip.
25 months ago: Anders? Are U out there? Maybe it's a time zone thing.
25 months ago: MB,

I was joking about the PlayDoh.

I just knew you would have something interesting to say.
markbyrn
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25 months ago: Huey,

...I was joking about the PlayDoh...

Why would I think you're joking - your bible refers to a deity that metaphorically refers to his created beings as clay, and berates them for daring to question him.

Of course this petulant deity is merely the imaginings of religious priests who desired to employ unquestioning and blind obedience among their followers.

BTW, did you know that Play-Doh is God:

http://porsidan.com/god-is-play-doh/
25 months ago: Huey Newton,
To answer your questions I recommend this blog post I have written:
http://bloganders.blogspot.com/2009/12/forum-post-to-christian-about.html (the post except the first paragraphs addresses your question)
and
2. I recommend the website www.netzarim.co.il ; click on “Glossaries”; “kipeir”

Now it is very late in Sweden and I can’t address any other talk-balkers to night.

Sincerely,Anders Branderud
25 months ago: @ MB - I've always been a plasticine man myself.

@ Anders - I'll check that out.
25 months ago: ALSO -

Also --

My Father God has never berated me, but he has corrected me. And you know what?

For that, I am thankful. It's made me a better man.

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: I agree with Mark that any "Deity" would not do or order it's followers to do all of the horrendous things that occur in the Torah and the Old Testament. These were obviously written by people with an agenda to justify their own immoral means to their ends.
Some wise men like Jesus said don't go with that old violent trash. All we need is love. So they nailed him to a cross.
markbyrn
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25 months ago: Al,

...Some wise men like Jesus said don't go with that old violent trash...

He did and he didn't - kind of like Rick Warren wanting it both ways.

See the first few paragraph of this website:

http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: I like this site Mark and have read it before. It is great because it points out all of the myriad contradictions in the bible, so people can take whatever they want from it.
One of the major contradictions is Jesus saying suffer not the little children, and then telling his followers to kill their kids if they talk back to you. I don't buy it.
I think whoever wrote or told the tall tales that eventually became the Gospels either wanted to preserve the Jewish laws, or perhaps it was the clerics at the synod of Hippo who edited all of the hundreds of "sacred" texts to merge the teachings of Jesus with the Jewish religion, Mithaism, and Sol Invictus, so it could become the official religion of the Roman Empire.
25 months ago: "One of the major contradictions is Jesus saying suffer not the little children, and then telling his followers to kill their kids if they talk back to you"

Where did Jesus say that? Chapters and verses, please. Thx.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: Do you doubt that Jesus loved children or that he condemned them, or that he did both? He might have got out of the wrong side of bed one day, after all he was human.

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
Suffer the little children to come unto Me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God' (Mark 10:13-14)
25 months ago: What does the Tan''kh teach about obdurate Children.

This is necessary information of how the mitzwah (commandment) regarding rebellious Children should be applied according to Torah and logical Halakhah (those who don’t know Hebrew, see definition of the word in www.netzarim.co.il ):
http://bloganders.blogspot.com/2009/12/obdurate-son-jewish-free-rein-versus.html
markbyrn
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25 months ago: Anders,

You remind me of Chaplain Ed - lots of beating around the bush with theological rigmarole but understandable when you're trying to defend barbaric or absurd biblical practices.

Fortunately, the The Rev. Brendan Powell Smith has produced an illustrated guide to 400 stories from the Bible using Lego pieces, and he has a much more simplified lesson called "When to Stone Your Children"

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_children/dt21_18a.html

That lesson along with other lessons such as how to atone for having a menstrual period by killing pigeons certainly reflects the ancient's human ignorance yet you would attribute it to a omniscient self-existent cosmic troglodyte?

BTW, I didn't realize Sweden allowed stoning of children - I guess that's the ultimate in progressive thought to allow unfettered diversity of religious expression.
25 months ago: To Al,

Mark 7 has to be taken in the context of the entire chapter. Jesus was contrasting the letter of the Law to the spirit of the Law. Also, Mark's major audience was Gentile so there is another contrast between Law and grace. The Pharisees were missing the point.

I respect and appreciate you bringing up those scriptures.
25 months ago: On another note -- according to OT Law the 'woman caught in adultery' should have been stoned to death. Yet Jesus forgave her of her sins and sent her on her way.

It was these types of things that ticked off the religious order of the day to the point where they plotted to see Him dead.

That's my kind of man.
25 months ago: http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm

Familiar with it. Not at all difficult to refute. Nice exercise though. Keeps me on my toes.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Huey,
A woman came to Jesus with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume. When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor. Jesus said to them, "The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."

http://www.thebricktestament.com//the_gospels/jesus_and_the_poor/jn12_01_mt26_06_mk14_03.html

Can you say fork tongued hypocrite and the reason the religious orders were upset was because he claiming to be god and contradicting his 'dad' as though the Jewish God was fork tongued too. From the Jewish perspective, Jesus was just a heretical cult leader in the same way that fundamentalist Christians think of Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church.
25 months ago: Jesus was a threat to the established religious order. He bucked the system.

The problem was with the peoples hearts. The letter of the Law kills, the Spirit gives life.

Outward observance of the Law is of no consequence if your motivation is corrupt.

25 months ago: This is Anders post, but we've been hogging it.

I don't think he really wants to jump in.

I'm pretty much ready to move on now anyways.

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