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The price of school uniforms

Posted 8 months ago|33 comments|671 views
Say no to school uniform!
Written by
Ddraig
England
I am a mother of four children, three are school age. I have never ever liked the school uniform anyway, even when I was at school. When I put across the debate that school uniform was an act of institutionalization and took away the identity and individualism of a child, I was told " rubbish!". I was told it was to make everyone the same and so other children with less did not get picked on for having no money.

Where does this fail? Well, in so many areas, but here are some.

Children with money wear the uniform but then add £100 trainers to their outfit and rip the crap out of the unfortunate that are wearing trainers from the market or cheaper shops.


Bags and coats from richer children are sported with pride, whilst children that have little money have to sport cheaper bags.

That in itself seems to invalidate the whole idea and argument for a school uniform to me. But now I have a new reason, as a grown adult.

Paying for my own children's uniforms, that are all under 10 years old up to yet, and High school uniforms include more expensive items. Whilst purchasing this years uniforms I was fueled in my hatred for the uniform by the cost of things such as the logo'd jumpers and cardigans at almost £20 each, when I could buy 4 jumpers of non school uniform for that. Even branded, because I search for deals.

How is it helpful to us low income families to make us pay 4 times more for a jumper that we are told we must buy?
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
8 months ago: Hi Ddraig. Welcome to RantRave. I too have felt the pain of transitioning to a school uniform policy. It was supposedly intended to end class distinction, as you pointed out, but didn't even come close to that ideal. Even without logos and brand names, the richer families would replace the older uniforms more regularly, and the poorer ones would wind up wearing them longer, with the associated wear and tear, unremovable stains, etc. So class distinction would still be a problem even with uniforms purchased from the same sources.

A benefit of the school uniform is taking the burden of dress code enforcement out of the realm of the arbitrary decision making process. The way the kids were dressing at our local schools is a distraction, with girls wearing outfits that would be more appropriate on the street corner, and the guys wearing the finest silk boxers and using their pants' waistbands as knee warmers. Since the uniform policy was adopted, the scenery around the schools looks more like a school, and less like a hip hop video. That has to be much less of a distraction for the kids.

I've always been against the school uniform policy, in favor of a modest dress code. However, the resources of the school system have to be used wisely. To police the attire of several hundred kids every day and make off the cuff decisions as to what is acceptable and what is not would take quite a few man/hours each day.

But I'm torn. I generally feel that school uniforms are a tool of progressives (at best) and downright fascist or communist (at worst) to steal a child's uniqueness and make him or her a member of the hive. It is not so much to help identify intruders more easily, as some claim, because it is not hard to get a uniform if one so desires.

I could go on and on about this subject, but I'll give someone else a turn now.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: In the grades just before HS, individualism was very important. I saw that there wasn't enough. I brought special programs to the school which they utilized. When the kids reach HS, I saw less and less care put into programs.
On top of it, these schools are very, very expensive. It cost a small fortune.
I don't know if I could go back in time and that would be my choice.
It all turned out with perseverance and outside resources.
The kids never really put that much stress on the importance of the actual uniforms. They kept them until they got very short and worn. Nobody in our Town cared. All the kids were equal. The competitive healthy side was were a true loss was apparent.
8 months ago: OTB, sounds like a failure to enforce the dress code by the school staff was covered up by forcing the parents to buy uniforms.

I think that if they want to make everyone dress the same they should provide the uniforms, same as the military. Zero cost to the parents. And that uniform will include sweaters and winter coats as required and of course shoes. Nothing left to the parent or childs choice so that it truly removes the "rich" vs "poor" variances in quality.

We found that a little "education" of our offspring before they got to the age where what they wore mattered mad a big difference. They still wanted to wear nice things but it wasn't important if it had a lizard or a pony logo or even if it had a logo as long as it was clean and in good repair and they were more concerned with their education than what was on their backs or feet.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Six I know that the schools here were always short on finances, so the monies had to be subsidized from the families of the school children and the church to support the school.
They don't get money from the State as the Public Schools.
It actually takes a burden off of the State leaving an empty seat when the student goes to a school other than public.
All considered, a lot of great kids that made something of themselves graduated from this school. The kids never really cared.


8 months ago: How do you get rated "Overall Rank 5,136 out of 4,907 authors"? RR's numbers don't seem to "add" up. Keep posting and you will break the top 100 pretty fast.
Ddraig
Ddraig
England
8 months ago: OTB, All of those points also ran across my mind, but I still feel a dress code standard would be more liberating than a uniform. I also agree that seeing a kids underwear is nasty.


Sixholdens, thank you, that is also the way I teach my young children. Clean and tidy is better. And that you can look nice and trendy with out looking like a hooker.

I also have no idea what is with my rating. And thank you so much for the tip. I guess my brain and fingers will be burning today.x
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: I made certain the clothes were clean and pressed each day.
That was the most important.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: I went through this for years. That is the purpose of the uniform to make everyone feel the same.
I found that what came out of that was a lack of healthy competition between students academically. Proof of the lack of competition was that there were no competitive sports that did well. In our school the mothers, would give the uniforms to the younger kids coming up to help out with cost. Of course, the shoes and accessories were very expensive. Tuition cost kept going up.
Felix Mannow
Felix Mannow
England
8 months ago: If yu not Afford to clothing child then stop making them
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
8 months ago: Minnow
That's a ridiculous statement. She can obviously afford to clothe her children, but would like to clothe them in the manner she see's fit, not the manner which the state dictates.

It's a little we call freedom, something that you "Chinese" have all but forgotten.
Felix Mannow
Felix Mannow
England
8 months ago: I thought west was free speech and do what you like.
Now you say dictate.
So maybe west not really free as people told what to doo.
Ddraig
Ddraig
England
8 months ago: I agree. That is why I stopped at four children. I also write online to afford them, because I can write in perfect English, instead of broken English that is substandard.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Ddrig - You have a worthy post. Keep it up.
Nice to have someone else on here.
Ddraig
Ddraig
England
8 months ago: Thank you very much Sunny.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Good girl! I won't let those idiots intimidate me either.
They can't beat strong woman who know the score, and we do.
I think they are silly woman anyway in disguise without a pot.
That guy is not from England, and I don't think he has much of a life.
They are both the same person, and they get confused at times when they write. Ignor them.
I found your narrative interesting, and it also helps others.
I hope you stay on. Sunny
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: It's funny when that one forgets which name he/she is using and writes
half and half.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Well, it is almost 4:00 in the afternoon.
Tea and cookies. Mmmmmmmmm
I follow an English tradition.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Is it probable to change schools? I don't blame you if you don't answer because of others that kind of discourage people from writing.
I really would like to know. I'm long past that and everything turned out ver well. The education did turn out superior because I had to follow up outside the school with great courses and it opened the doors for a lot of culture and travel. It all passes.
Ddraig
Ddraig
England
8 months ago: Educationally, I enhance my children's education. I will not find any joy moving school, as they are all the same on policy, run by local council.

Ps. Do not worry about me being offended by others, my skin is far thicker than that. But kindness from people like yourself always strengthens that skin, so thank you kindly.x
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Ah, that's so nice. I didn't switch mine either even though I thought about it. It was uniforms to graduation. I find changing schools does harm when it comes to education. Their may be a big difference in the curriculum which can cause gaps.
There are some very nice, bright people on the site and very interesting to talk to and OTB is one of them.
Felix Mannow
Felix Mannow
England
8 months ago: But you don't works so education do nothing for you as you take benefit and do nothing
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
8 months ago: That's an inflammatory statement.
Felix Mannow
Felix Mannow
England
8 months ago: Inflame the answer argument burn long and good.
If all people's just agree there no good argue.
Site boring I'f all kiss and hugging
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
8 months ago: And the site is boring with insubstantial pokes that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: If I may suggest something, why don't you start your own site. People have enough in their own lives and don't need what you are selling. If you look at some of the remarks on the net, people feel it is disrespectful and become insulted. That's nothing to brag about. That's why sites that debate and disagree still will retain a mutual respect which keeps them interesting and running smooth. Nobody want to hear silly one liners. It is dopey.
That's has nothing to do with freedom of speech because when you go too far out on the limb there is a price to be paid. People are still held accountable. When I came on, the site had very few people on it. What was the reason then? Even in the piece you wrote, it shows that you were trying to control something you don't understand.
Ddraig
Ddraig
England
8 months ago: Oh dear Felix. The irony in the fact that you are obviously a foreigner in MY country, telling me I do not work and can not afford children is hilarious. I am working whilst writing here and other places. My husband also works.
Thank you for your concern. I hope you are contributing to the never ending pit that is our tax deficit?
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Good one.
Felix Mannow
Felix Mannow
England
8 months ago: I not talk you I was talk to mr sunny
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago:
Quoting Felix: One month ago
people , humour , fun
Written by
Felix Mannow
England All these peoples having personal attack at eachother on here.
It should stop and get back to the site it was when you can have a good go at someone and then laugh about it afterwards.
Even during arguments i could always have a laugh, sometimes really have a chuckle to the point my wifes would say what are you doing.
There doesnt seem to be many people laughing on here lately.
It seems as if people are depressed and arguing over sometimes the smallest thing.
so i suggest have a joke.
I wuld like everyone here to post a joke and let all have a good laugh.
now i know some of you wont but i wuld like all to try a post just one joke.
Let get spirit goings again.
Even the ladies on here i would like to allow you to post a joke on here aswells.
I think you can tells alot about persons from a joke so let see where it goes and if anyones join in.
people need to stop moaning and let thin go over head.
If noone join in i will just write jokes on here myself.
I think everyone can write one joke.
Ok i start with a couple of joke.


Times change Felix. You have to change with them. The mood of the entire World has changed. No one can control that. People like to talk and you should allow it without putting it down and trying to inflame conversation. Usually joking is done with people that you know. You can't be several personalities and expect people to have fun with it. Anyway, I pretty much know who talks like this.

sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Bringing down woman all the time and poking fun of people out of work, and the problems of our Country is going to make people turn away. It has no value.
You should really turn it around and not hide behind the character you play.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Can't you enter into one good conversation. I noticed you can't speak direct to people at all.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: Felix you have to write legitimately in order to have it that way.
It is your way or nothing on a big site with people from all over with different opinions. Not everyone has that inflammatory way about them to insite argument that you feel will bring attention. Most people are highly intelligent and won't stoop to it.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: So boring Felix. You can use me as an example and want to get rid of me, but I don't know for what. It will only be one less person.
Don't you have anything else you can think of to make youself interesting.
Start fresh.

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