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The WikiLeaks 'Collateral Murder' video shows US attack

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WikiLeaks Collateral Murder video.
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Chris D
Seattle, WA
This morning, the WikiLeaks.org released footage of a helicopter strike from a 2007 attack in Iraq that killed two Reuters employees and several civilians. The footage had been kept secret by the U.S. military, but today, a spokesman confirmed that the WikiLeaks "Collateral Murder" video was authentic.

Reuters photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and his driver, Saeed Chmagh, died in the helicopter attack. Two children were also wounded.

Wikileaks.org is known for posting video and documents passed along by anonymous sources, typically with political importance. They posted the video of the July 2007 firefight at ''collateralmurder.com.''

In the WikiLeaks Collateral Murder video, the soldiers can be heard asking for permission to engage. The order is given. Some of the men fall to the ground instantly, and others crawl away.

''Ah, yeah, look at those dead bastards. Nice,'' one soldier says.

In the WikiLeaks Collateral Murder video, the helicopters also shoot up a van that arrives on the scene. A child is carried from the van and a solider says that the child should be sent to a local Iraqi hospital.

''Well, it's their fault bringing their kids into the battle,'' another solider responds.

The U.S. military covered up the helicopter attack for nearly three years. According to WikiLeaks, the military claimed that the Reuters newsmen died during a battle between the Army and insurgents. But the video clearly shows that story is false.

So why did WikiLeaks release this video?

WikiLeaks wants to ensure that all the leaked information it receives gets the attention it deserves. In this particular case, some of the people killed were journalists that were simply doing their jobs: putting their lives at risk in order to report on war.

The mainstream press was initially slow to report on the video – CNN finally put a link up at around 4 p.m. The BBC site has had it up since 9 a.m.


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22 months ago: Chris:

Your post here is absurd and patently dishonest.

What little credibility you had is GONE.

Shame on you.
22 months ago: Can you point out the absurdity and dishonesty, RSG?
22 months ago: For starters "Murder"?

Toward the beginning of the video, when the scumbag, muslim, terrorists were out of sight behind a wall, and 1 scumbag was squatting around the corner looking down the side street with a machine gun. You reckon he was ringing a bell for donations into his Salvation Army kettle?

These righteous journalists didn't exactly mention that these soon to be dead scumbag terrorists had been shooting at some 18 year old American soldiers with their machine guns, did they?

For crying out loud, who is going to bring children to scene where a dozen people had just been blown up?

Enough?

You want some more?

Freedom Ain't Free.
22 months ago: I think ChrisD was reporting on a video labelled by someone else as "Collateral Murder', and in that it was a fairly objective report by ChrisD. I'm not disputing your views of the incident, RSG.
Chris D
Chris D
Seattle, WA
22 months ago: You're correct, Jack. The WikiLeaks team titled their video "Collateral Murder."

I just re-read my post, and I don't think I offered any commentary. It's what we called an "inverted pyramid" back in J-School.
22 months ago: Give us a break Jack.

Chris D. was giving a "fairly objective report" like a rock uses lipstick.

Read it again.
22 months ago: "According to WikiLeaks, the military claimed that the Reuters newsmen died during a battle between the Army and insurgents. But the video clearly shows that story is false."

Huh?

What do you reckon those scumbag terrorists were doing with those AK-47s? Playing "Go Fish"?

No way they'd been in a battle with our soldiers. Nah.

Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
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scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: Ah but you did Chris you took the two comments from the video and are attempting to capitalize on them to shine the soldiers in a bad light.
ActiveInChange
ActiveInChange
Lafayette, LA
22 months ago: You are right RSG, Freedom aint free it costs dead iraqi children. Kill em all!!! Murder those brown skinned terrorists!!! They aren't even human. I am a brainwashed sheep that easily accepts violence as long as it is thousands of miles away. Yeah Freedom!!! USA! USA! USA!

22 months ago: You seem to have forgotten 911.

You are foolish.
22 months ago: Active:

You are disingenuous.

22 months ago: What does the color of their skin have to do with the price of cheese in China? It obviously makes a difference to you.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
22 months ago: I'm sorry...what does 9/11 have to do with the War in Iraq?
22 months ago: I'm guessing the Reuters team was there to trade recipies with locals.
22 months ago: Moderator, huh?
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: Maybe you should put this all in perspective Chris. Your talking a handful of innocent people being killed but how many more US Military personal have to die to make you understand what that War was all about..

Think about these families too Chris...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/o...

I salute the brave men and women that served in Iraq. I pray for the 30,182 wounded in action soldiers. I salute the 5.000 soldiers that gave their lives to help Iraqis retain a semblance of normal life now bu usurping a dictator.

Sorry to hear that these journalists and innocents we killed and I salute them with respect. But I will not attempt to cast the blame on the United States. Those journalists chose to be there, they knew and accepted the high price it might cost. If anyone is at fault for the children it is the guy that was driving the wagon into a middle of a fire fight with a helicopter looming overhead.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: Hindsight is 20/20 if we seen the video without knowing who the people were that were killed those large objects in their hands could be easily taken as being guns. Watch the guy lurk around the corner with something in his hands he peeks around the corner with it and apprears to shoulder it looks like a rocket launcher to me.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
22 months ago: Looks like a rocket launcher? Are you sure it was? Think back to that case where the police shot the girl for holding a cell phone that looked like a gun...get real...just a bunch of trigger happy folks wanting to shoot some people.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: Yea if it looks like a rocket launcher you shoot first and ask questions later. Tell me this, if someone was peering around the corner with obviously something long in length and round would you not think it was a rocket launcher in the middle of a War? Would you put your fellow soldier in jeopardy by saying wait it is not lets see what they do with it first? No you would atleast I would not I would commence firing and take them down not to protect yourself but to protect your crew.
22 months ago: War zone, war rules. If a person holds up a big black camera with a big black telephoto lens on it and it looks like a rocket launcher and the guy he is pointing it at is armed and wants to live a long life. Do you really think he is stupid enough to wait long enoug for the other guy to fire? Really?

Point of combat - kill the other guy first.

Mistakes are made, it is your job to make sure you don't make one that will cause your own death because the other guy mistook your intentions, ESPECIALLY in a war zone.

As for the cops being trigger happy.... Wouldn't you be if you never knew who had a gun and was willing to shoot you with it?
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: The scumbag part comes in were some lawyer attempts to try these soldiers for murder.
22 months ago: Chris, you posted it with no disclaimer as to your opinion of the content basically saying that you supported the contention that it was murder.

No matter how horrible the comments or actions of the troops in the air or on the ground may have sounded or appeared they are the reality of men in combat. Journalist, civilians, citizens at home will all say how poorly these men behaved while in the process of doing their jobs yet they have no concept of the horrors that are the daily bread and butter of the military at war. Some will think that shooting a wounded man that "appears" to be trying to escape or raise a weapon is wrong, till they are looking down the barrel of a rocket launcher with the missile coming at them and then they realize how stupid and inconsiderate they have been. Others may think it wrong to run over a body buried in rubble or covered in dust till it can't be distinguished from the dirt it lies upon but in reality the driver can't see it because those same citizens cried and moaned to the government until they built a vehicle to protect that same soldier that has a window so thick it distorts the very light coming through it!

Talk about crying wolf!

Anyway, the video shows the horror of war on the ground. Something I wouldn't wish upon anyone. I have a son-in-law who drives one of those trucks, he is in country now. He has suffered several IED explosions, some of his fellow soldiers are missing body parts because a child they were giving candy to gave them back a live grenade. His and many others mindset is shoot first, sort them out later.

Did they make a mistake? Maybe. I wasn't there and the video isn't that clear, no zoom down to the actual weapons. Was that a camera or an RPG the guy stuck around the corner? I'm downloading the video so I can examine it closer but I do believe there is at least one RPG and several rifles as well as some very large items that could be cameras/lens that are easy to mistake as weapons.
22 months ago: What Six Said!
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
22 months ago: They clearly looked like "scum-bag Muslim terrorists"...I mean every group of Muslim's walking around are a bunch of terrorists...and any group of black men walking around is a gang...etc etc.

Does that pretty much sum up your though pattern TCG and RSG? Your racism is appalling.
22 months ago: My racisim? That is funny. Uh...War Zone and is it not funny that the non-labled EMS show up and start to drag stuff away.... my guess is you want to call them 'concerend citizens"? I call them the islamic morgue patrol and hid the weapons patrol. Kids in the car??? that happened in a fire fight 8 minutes before? You really need a tour...maybe two...

Nice to know your buddy blamma has ruled out nukes if all of the world attacks us with bio-germs. I guess he figures our bugs are stronger than their bugs.
22 months ago: Hey RED. Did Perfect in her mind just call us out? Didn't she run away the last time she tried that? He Purrrfect. I'll buy your round trip tickets and pay your room and board to stand on a spot of my choosing for 48 hours in Texas protecting the southern U.S. boarder when you do the same for me to protect the northern boarder. You might want to dig a hole before you take a nap down here...unless you just want t be food for buzzards...
22 months ago: Perfect is one of a miserable and very foolish lot.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
22 months ago: Red I see you are still refusing to actually try and add to the conversation instead of just rambling stupid pointless crap.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
22 months ago: Still referring to me as a girl...absolutely pathetic and childish.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
22 months ago: Also, Defend the Southern border against what??? I don't see anything that needs defending against.
22 months ago: Uh, wouldn't that be redundant redundant?
22 months ago: PH, we all have our "racial profiling" ideals now don't we!
22 months ago: Yes Chris - Your commentary is spoken like a person who has never been in the military, or even aware of the training and condition given, in particular to combat personnel.

The are trained to be desensitized to "killing the enemy".

"What makes the green grass grow?" "Blood makes the green grass grow Drill Sergeant!"

The chant we screamed for hours during combat training. So what do you expect them to say when they are killing who they think is the enemy? And what kind of coping mechanism do you expect them to employ after they have accidentally killed a child, or had to kill a child because they had a bomb strapped to their back?

More than likely the US Military covered it up because they knew it would be taken out of context.
22 months ago: How is it "covered up"? Did they not release the video? A cover up would be when they say it was lost in a fire...
22 months ago: Well, they lost it, but they forgot to mention a fire. Maybe you should be advising them.

"Military can't find Iraq killing video

By PAULINE JELINEK and ANNE FLAHERTY (AP) – 8 hours ago

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military says it can't find its copy of a video that shows two Reuters news agency employees being killed by Army helicopters.

A leaked version circulated the Internet on Monday and renewed questions about the attack.

Capt. Jack Henzlik, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command, says forces in Iraq have not been able to locate the video within its files and are attempting to retrieve it."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...

Changing your view, at all?
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: "More than likely the US Military covered it up because they knew it would be taken out of context."

I could not agree more.

I salute your son-in-law sixholdens.
22 months ago: Is covering things up so no informed discussion can take place a good principle for your Government to follow?

I'm sure they'd be very keen to do that.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: Jack can you not see the video is being taken out of context? If you seen the video before you knew who died what would you think? On many parts of the video two men are seen with long pieces of equipment as the helicopter hovers around them. These long pieces are on the side of the body and swinging like you would be carrying a ak47. How do I know this becuase I own a sks equivalent gun. They surely look like guns to me.

No one is at fault here but the anti-war society we live in which forces a Government to give a vague explanation but certainly it is no cover-up the video was released. We were not shown the firefight that happened before this either. Do you think circumstances leading upto this event are relevant? If not then you are taking the video out of context.
22 months ago: The video was leaked, as I understand it, not released by the government. Did you see the daily lives of journalists and the children in this video? Are you then taking the whole incident out of context?

It seems to me that you are suggesting that no one should see anything, and it's the government's job to protect us from anything we couldn't be trusted to understand the way they want.

If a family member of yours was a journalist and carrying a camera, got shot up by government troops, and they said he was carrying a weapon, would that be good enough for you? We wouldn't want you to have the opportunity to see anything out of context.
22 months ago: Jack, There are a lot of things that are said to be "leaked" just to make it appear to be information that was obtained through non-official channels or from a source that didn't want to be known. That doesn't mean it's not available if you know what to ask for, whom to ask and when to ask. I'm not in a position to know those three things so it would be hard for me to get such video or even text transcripts of such an event. Journalist are more likely to be in the know and have a reason to seek out such things, they would also be more interested in making their sources seem more inaccessible to others to keep the supply of new-worthy information flowing. One of those supply and demand things.

I would love to know the whole story behind the incident, the people involved, and the why of it all. That way I could determine for myself if it was taken out of context and used purely for shock value to gain reader points, or if it was an incident of in-admission, in other words, they didn't tell about it to keep the negative press response at a more acceptable level. Considering that this incident did make the news when it happened and many people know that the military videotapes or otherwise records nearly every thing they do nowdays, there is a possibility that some foot dragging was at work, not sure whose, but considering that these journalist were not in the best place for someone not involved in hostile actions against the US forces there. Not saying that it was their fault, just a bad place to be taking pictures from.

If it was my family member (yeah I know you didn't direct it at me) I would want to know as much as possible about the situation and how it all happened. But I have knowledge that most people don't, I understand how things can look from either side of the lens, be it camera, telescopic sight or long range video recorder systems like those used on military aircraft. Censorship is wrong no matter what the reason.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: The video was obtained through the Freedom of Information Act was it not? So it being "leaked" is very misleading.
22 months ago: I think you might have the wrong story there, Scot. AP says

"Military can't find Iraq killing video

By PAULINE JELINEK and ANNE FLAHERTY (AP) – 8 hours ago

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military says it can't find its copy of a video that shows two Reuters news agency employees being killed by Army helicopters.

A leaked version circulated the Internet on Monday and renewed questions about the attack.

Capt. Jack Henzlik, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command, says forces in Iraq have not been able to locate the video within its files and are attempting to retrieve it."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: I'm going on what the video said Jack and it said

At 2:14 in the video it says...

"In August 2007, Rueters used the Freedom of Information Act to request a copy of the video evidence taken from the primary helicopter involved in the attack.
The video has not been released intill now…"

That above quote certainly does not tell me it was leaked it tells me the video was held since 2007 and was finally obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. Note the wording and term "used". Used means it was finally released.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: I read your article saying it was leaked. So what that tells me we are watching a copy of the main video.

Another thing to ponder before we begin to say wikileak and collateralmurder are credible websites is what if that video was not of reporters like we are being told?

Wait till the official video of both helicopters are released but this video alone if it is untainted like they claim still does not change the fact those long arms in the right and left hand of the "civilians" look to be weapons to me. The guy peering around the building looks to have a rpg in his hands.

The soldiers certainly did not have the time to watch the video over and over again to notice the small things that we have picked up. Then why should we say we would have done differently under the circumstances? I'm sorry you would not have.
22 months ago: Scott:

Of course the whole thing is out of context.

And Chris knew it. He's just so liberally blinded.

It makes me sick.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
22 months ago: OOOHHHHHHH There it is...the amazing RSG "Your blind" argument...always a winner...


Seriously, try to actually say something useful for once...please
22 months ago: If I didn't know better, you are jumping up and down like a monkey!
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
22 months ago: Still can't come up with anything to say that is actually useful? Whats next? I'm blind? Or perhaps I need to wake up???

Seriously stop...its really ridiculous that you spend time all day saying absolutely nothing.
22 months ago: You're perfectly correct perfect.

Talking to you is like talking with a rock with lipstick on it.

(Try getting some sleep. The day time is nice.)
22 months ago: Scot, forwarded your words to Afganistan (two tours Iraq, now the other war).
22 months ago: You might think the soldiers in this video did the right thing and the journalists did the wrong thing. Maybe so.

However, the official spokespersons described this event in terms not consistent with the facts shown in the video that they refused to show. They've been caught out, and they are resentful.

They deliberately spoke falsehoods to us, in order for us to think what they wanted us to think. Anyone happy with that?

If y'all are happy with the powers that be falsifying the reality, as a general principle, no problems.

But you're not expecting any journalists, any Iraqis, or any Americans to believe them in future, right?
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: No I am not happy about that but then again I am not happy about the sun rising in the east shining in my eyes every time I get up. But their is little I can do but buy a shade and stop the sun shining.

I can not change the world we live in no less than you can. But if we look at all the war protesters so readily to take video leaked and obtained through the Freedom of Information Act to take out of context then you can see what the military has to contend with.

Look at the anti-war terrorist Bill Ayers. ''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' These terrorists Jack is were our tyranny is coming from. Not these soldiers doing their duty the swore to uphold and protect the Unites States citizens.

The whole Iraq War kept the bombs out of our streets. I can say one thing I do agree with you on, I did not agree with Bush on the unconstitutional wiring tapping and eavesdropping tactics he used and I even signed a petition to have him impeached on those grounds alone.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: One of the biggest ramifications of that war and 9/11 was the terrorist watch list that is still in use today. I don't hear everyone crying tyranny even though it is still in use, even though it targets American citizens.

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