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The Problem with Ethics

Posted 19 months ago|7 comments|629 views
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"It's ironic — no, it's worse than that, it's appalling — that, at the same time as the United States was prosecuting Nazi doctors for crimes against humanity, the U.S. government was supporting research that placed human subjects at enormous risk."
DR. MARK SIEGLER, of the Maclean Center for Clinical Medical Ethics, on a program in the late 1940's to deliberately infect Guatemalans, with venereal diseases, in a test of penicillin."

This quote is from yesterday's New York Times Newsletter. An article, titled "Syphilis Experiment Is Revealed", published October 1st, 2010, is also devoted to the topic. Both NBC and CBS used a couple of minutes air time on the evening news.

"The experiments are "a dark chapter in the history of medicine," said Dr. Francis S. Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health. Modern rules for federally financed research "absolutely prohibit" infecting people without their informed consent, Dr. Collins said. ", this, an excerpt from the New York Times, written by Donald McGill.

These tests were done without the victims consent. So, what, if anything is going to happen? State Secretary Clinton issued an apology. Reparations will be paid, I imagine. Once again, money will kind of solve the problem, at least symbolically.

We grow up, learning, there are consequences, when we do something "wrong". Ethics, by definition is "the branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such".

Me personally, I tend to be way too lenient with my kid, when it comes to paying the consequences of "doing something wrong". I use reasoning, appeal to his sense of decency and common sense. I do believe we all have it, that intuitive sense of right and wrong. At least, I hope we do. Somehow, it seems to get lost along the way. Lost on the climb to various heights of power, glam and glory, where the oxygen supply seems to thin out, causing a cease and desist of morals and ethics.

It is a struggle to understand how something like this can happen. Was there no one on the entire team of doctors, who remembered the Hippocratic oath? You know, the part about practicing medicine ethically? I think infecting someone with syphilis, a sexually transmitted disease, people died of not too long ago, would fall under the category of "damn, this is some bad **** that may reverse my lot ergo bad karma" or whatever else these people believe in.

See, I don't believe in the "they will burn in hell" as some consolation prize for the abused. Frankly, I think crimes committed on earth should also be judged and punished on earth. Seems fair, no?
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19 months ago: Not that I condone what they did, I just don't draw the same evil conclusions from infecting someone with a disease to see if the cure works and sewing two children together to see if it will work. Neither gave consent but one group is probably still alive and suffered little.

Medical science still does on human drug testing to see if what has been concocted will cure the ailment, they just do a better job of letting the testee know what is going on.
19 months ago: Experiements are necessary, no doubt about it. The key word though, is consent. And traveling to another country, trying something out on unsuspecting victims is an abuse of power that plan sucks.
19 months ago: Was a dirty deed when they did it here and it will always be something NOT to be a part of.
19 months ago: "See, I don't believe in the "they will burn in hell" as some consolation prize for the abused. Frankly, I think crimes committed on earth should also be judged and punished on earth."

Actually the "abused" will most likely not be the ones being punished in the afterlife, if there is one (I say that for those who believe in one), and believe that the abusers should be punished here on this planet and in their lifetime and the abused should receive compensation that is meaningful, not the pennies that the abusers want to pay. They make billions and figure 20 bucks is fair compensation when it should be thousands if not millions.
19 months ago: It's a dirty deed anywhere and even dirtier that only the poor are approached, because they know they are desperate.

I don't believe in the afterlife either. I mean, we don't know, do we? That's why: punishment here, now.

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19 months ago: I think we should always try to learn from our mistakes. One of the most important lessons we should learn from this is that if they can get away with it people will abuse other people they consider inferior. The Germans considered the Jews inferior and did horrendous things to them.

We intentionally gave blacks in this country venereal disease, and when we set up a puppet government in Guatemala we experimented on them, because we knew that people in this country would never consent to such atrocious experiments. It's OK to exploit foreigners though.

In this country we tend to see Americans as worth a lot more than foreigners, and as humans worth a lot more than other creatures, so we also experiment on primates and other animals.

We should never consider the perceived superiority of one creature over another, we should consider the rights of all, even the lesser of god's creatures, and treat them well.
19 months ago: I've come to expect that there are different standards that people of different social classes are held accountable too by different people. I've never accepted this as fair but I have come to expect it.

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