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The Next Great Depression

Posted 11 months ago|8 comments|634 views
Impoverished In the Land of Plenty
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
48% of the people in the country think that another great depression is coming soon. http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/08/cn...

In a related poll 70% of Republicans oppose extending the debt ceiling. http://visiontoamerica.org/658/gallup-po...

In that poll about a third of the people in the country have no idea what the result of defaulting on our debt will be, but among economists and the professionals there is little doubt that a default would be an economic catastrophe. http://www.businessinsider.com/jamie-dim...

Why are Republicans so opposed to paying for the debt that they are in most part responsible for? Two thirds of the National Debt was caused by Republicans because they made massive increases in military spending, yet slashed revenue by giving tax cuts to the rich and the corporations, so they just put their spending on the credit card.

Now they are trying to balance the budget by slashing social spending (only 14% of the budget) but they refuse to acknowledge that half of the deficit is from the military spending and the wars they created, and the tax cuts that they forced on Obama with terrorist tactics. About half of the remainder is because of the economic recession that Bush and the Republican policies and deregulation caused. https://www.kitcomm.com/showthread.php?t...

It is obvious that if we are to tackle the deficit problem that we should first eliminate the things that caused the deficit. To climb out of a hole first stop digging. We need to end the tax cuts to the rich and we need to cut the military spending.

But the Republicans have taken those two items off the table. It has become clear that the Republicans have declared open war against the middle class and are only interested in protecting the tax cuts to their rich and corporate sponsors.
http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/...

Are they doing what the people want? No. 81% of the people think taxes should be raised on millionaires to help pay off the deficit. Nope Off the Table. 85% of people think we should end subsidies to the big oil companies who are making record profits. Nope Off the table. Two thirds of the people think we should slash military spending and end our wars. Nope Off the Table.

There has been much hoopla about the Republican budget plan which would end Medicare, cost 700,000 jobs and slow down the economy, and give the rich another trillion we can't afford, but there has been NO discussion from the media about the People's Budget Plan which actually does what the majority of the people want. Why is THAT off the Table. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06...

So given that the Republicans are in favor of a default which would lead to a major worldwide depression, because it will make it harder to get Obama elected, We are probably headed for another depression.

Much of the economy is driven by consumer confidence. If people are afraid of a depression, they stop spending, which causes an economic slowdown, which combined with a default, would lead to a depression. The pessimism and negativity of the Republican Propaganda Machine is causing the crisis in confidence, and their austerity policies are slowing the economy and eliminating jobs. This lethal combination will destroy our economic standing and will cause the depression. It is a self fulfilling prophesy pushed by extreme ideology.

We know from history what caused the great depression and we know from history what ended it. We know which economic policies don't work (supply side) and we know which economic policies do work (Demand side economics).

The same supply side policies, which throws money at the rich, deregulation, and anti government policies, pursued by the Republicans, caused the great depression.

The Demand side policies, which had 90% top tax rates on the rich, which allowed more money to the poor and created the middle class, and the WPA, CCC and job creation of big government spending from WWII, got us out of the depression. Investments in education and the creation of a social safety net which was paid for by high taxes on the rich, led to the longest period of peaceful prosperity in our history.

Do we really need to fall off the cliff and get mired in another great depression, to re-learn the lessons of history? We can have both fiscal austerity, by cutting the military spending, and we can have economic stimulus if we can just generate some revenue, and that combination would avoid a depression. We need to invest in education and in innovation and the technologies of the future or we will be unable to compete with the other economic powers who are investing more than us. We need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, and that will create jobs, which will make the deficit shrink.

The easiest and most painless way to generate revenue is with a transaction tax on the risky types of financial speculation that caused the Bush Economic collapse. This is a "Good Tax" which will have will have the dual purpose of raising revenue and discouraging harmful behavior. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06...

During the war everyone pulled together and sacrificed. It was that spirit of shared sacrifice and working for a common goal, which ended the great depression. Today the Republicans are spreading divisiveness instead of unity, and only the middle class is being asked to sacrifice, while the obscenely rich are being showered with millions more.

If this type of trickle down supply side voodoo economics worked, it would have created jobs during the last 12 years. It didn't. Supply side trickle down economics doesn't work because the corporations are already sitting on piles of cash. The corporations won't expand or hire until people start buying more, which means we need to get money to the middle class, not the rich. We need Demand side economics for job creation, and that takes stimulus spending, innovation, and investments in the technologies of the future.

The rich and the corporations are paying less than they have for 50 years, and our country is paying lower taxes than most other developed nations. Why should the victims pay? They didn't cause the problem.s? Let the rich crooks, the bankers, the Hedge Fund Managers, the derivative traders, that are rolling in dough and and only paying 17% in taxes pay a bit of restitution. They created the economic meltdown, let them be a part in solving the problem.

It is time to ask those who can most afford it, to pay back the country that allowed them to get rich. It is time for them to sacrifice just a little bit. It is time for the rich and the corporations to pay their fair share.
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
11 months ago: 'It is obvious that if we are to tackle the deficit problem that we should first eliminate the things that caused the deficit. '

I agree. We should first eliminate the government. It's obvious to anyone with eyes that it isn't just one side or the other. Both major parties are in on it, and both share responsibility for the pitiful shape America is in currently in.
sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: The only way we will gain any respect is to vote these thugs out of office.
Maybe then we can start over to build our reputation up once again and move on.
Both sides are guilty of hurting the public immensely.
The amount of time that has past that could of been used for growth and resolutions is gone forever. It is going to get worse if someone doesn't fight back.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
11 months ago: The right wing does think that eliminating the government protections for people and the environment is a good idea but they refuse to eliminate the government when it comes to protecting big business or the military.

The amount of discretionary government spending on regulations and social programs is trivial when compared to the corporate welfare and military waste.

The social spending programs and regulatory functions have been under attack and starved for funds for the last thirty years which caused the BP disaster and the Massey coal mine disaster, etc. etc. and caused the economic collapse.

That side has been been cut to the bone. Lets balance the equation by cutting into the corporate waste and the military waste which has grown 150% since Bush got in.

You are right that both major parties have been bought off by the big money interests, but for the Democrats it isn't quite so blatant because they still rely on millions of small donations from the people.

The Republicans have given up all pretense of serving the people. They only serve the rich and their corporate masters.
sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: I completely agree with you, Al, in this.
If the entire fiber of every State is broken down and left in shambles one by one, it is going to take many years to get back. It is going to be a disaster anyway if it doesn't get back to the concerns of the people. That is why we have a Government for them to do a good job, not to steal from us. Why have this form of Government then? People will be in chaos, and there will be lawlessness if something doesn't change. It isn't to anyone's advantage to let another big depression happen.
sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: I hope it isn't too late for Obama to make a stand and get tough with these people that are stopping the growth of our Country. He is the only one at this point that can resolve the problems and move on. If it gets any worse, we are going to be just plain out of luck to salvage anything worthwhile.
I heard the Republicans reply to his speech in a negative manner. They forget he is still in charge. They are getting bolder in their rhetoric coming right out and saying that he doesn't stand a chance against them. Who are they anyway? They are oblivious to the needs of the people and who we are. They don't care. We had a wonderful event last evening to raise awareness for the need to promote educational development within the Community. It brought people together bringing Councilman and Congress Representatives to attend. It's a beginning, and we have to start somewhere in helping each other retain who we are as a Nation. The children will have to carry the weight of these problems down the line.
What an embarassing position this Country has given into.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
10 months ago: I agree that Obama should take a tougher stand against the Republicans and their corporate masters who are screwing the middle class. In his recent news conference he did put an important question to the Republicans that should be repeated until everyone understands who is helping and who is hurting America: "Are they really willing to risk the nation's credit and economic turmoil in order to preserve tax breaks for corporate jets, outlandishly low tax rates for hedge fund managers and loopholes for the oil companies?"

Obama should have enlisted the help of the corporate sponsors to talk some sense into their puppets. Of course these guys don't want their gravy train to end. "Do you think for one second that these forces would allow Republicans to interrupt their current streak of good fortune—astronomical profits, a 23% increase in CEO pay, a huge array of tax loopholes to exploit, and a growing share of national income—by precipitating needless financial turmoil?" Recently Wall street had it's strongest showing in two years which indicates that they don't really think that the Republicans are foolish enough to cause a depression, but they are used to calling the shots. The Tea Party Whackos maynot be as easy to manipulate as the rest of the Republicans.

Obama bought into the entire right wing mantra that we have a spending problem. He needs to convince America that it is a revenue problem not a spending problem. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/201...

We need a real liberal to debate Obama and to speak for the people. Right now the only policies that we are hearing about, are benefiting the corporate interests. No one is out there pushing for the People's Budget.
10 months ago: What part of the military industrial complex, the Bilderberg Group and a puppet President, don't you folks understand?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
10 months ago:
What's so sad is that they can get 50% of the population on board, by telling them it's for the good of the planet to have a small group of people running the entire world. And the Dems and Republicans alike are buying it, just from differing perspectives.

Here's an example. The Dems realize that the government is owned by big money. They talk about it all the time. Yet they want to give more power to the government, thus giving more power to big money. The Republicans realize that big money gets tax breaks and considerations allowing them to have even more big money, which strengthens their hold on the government.

Two sides of the same coin, two wings on the same bird, left wing and right wing, and big money flapping both of them.
sunny2
sunny2
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