Economy

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The Madness of Credit

Posted 8 months ago|13 comments|300 views
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Patsy
Criticising banks is a popular pastime. We love to point fingers of blame, to say that they bleed consumers dry, to question their sense of ethics. It feels good to take to task organisations that earn billions of euros, or sterling or dollars in profit each year. We feel cheated by them and we need to vent that frustration.

However, by behaving in this way we refuse to acknowledge that we are responsible for our choices. If banks offer us money and we take it then we accept their rules, as foolish as they are sometimes.

When we contract for a mortgage, we determine our downpayment and agree the repayment period. But we cannot predict interest rate changes over the 25 years or so of a mortgage and it is hard to insure against hikes in the interest rates if our downpayment is less than 20% of the value of the house.

This is where problems begin - for both banks and borrowers. Banks use unrealistic methods of calculation to determine the amount of mortgages they can offer their customers. Borrowers overstate their capacity to pay such loans. The song is well known.

I applied for a mortgage once and the amount that I was told I could borrow was four times more than I'd anticipated. I was thrilled. Worse - I was proud to be told that my financial worth was considered good enough to secure such a high loan. I felt as though my social status had risen. My ego was flattered, I almost asked where I had to sign. But then my ego fluttered - something didn't seem quite right.

I asked for a print-out of the loan offer. Back home, after making some calculations, I reconnected with the reality of my finances. To repay the loan the sacrifices would have been enormous. I refocused my research and finally chose a smaller house.

Loans offered by banks are unduly high. They are traps. How many people fall into them? Tens of thousands probably. Many families here in Europe, in the US and no doubt in other countries find themselves in untenable financial situations.

When it comes to credit, it seems that people lose their heads. Another example of this madness is the prevalence of credit cards. They are easy to acquire - how many people do you know who have two, three, four credit cards? Often all their cards are used to their credit limit. How can they possibly benefit when interest rates are 18%? Legally, these rates are not usurious, but in reality ... credit cards are akin to loan sharks.

Over-indebtedness of consumers is very profitable for banks, department stores and companies who issue credit cards. We should be suspicious that they roll out the proverbial red carpet for us potential customers with constant mail-outs offering "no repayments for 3 months" or similar tempting offers. These are publicly trading companies. Their shareholders are reaping great profits.

However, the choice to own credit cards and spend on credit without control is the sole responsibility of us - the consumers. Nobody twists our arms - all it takes is great marketing from the credit companies.
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8 months ago: Was that loan in the U.S.?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
8 months ago: It is more than just deceptive practices. When people with limited education who are not as savvy as you are, told they can get a house for a few hundred a month, they figure they can afford that, but they don't really understand about the balloon payment coming up down the road, and they figure the price of the house will keep going up so they can sell it at a profit before the payment comes. And then the market goes down the drain and your house is worth half what your contract was but no one is buying so you can't sell it, so you just walk away.

And that ruins your credit so you can't get any more credit cards but that is Ok because they were charging $30 every time you were late with a payment. You are better off without a home and paying for everything with cash.

The only problem is this country runs on credit, so since you are not alone and there are millions in the same boat, the whole economy goes down the tubes.

Wouldn't it have been a lot simpler if the banks were forced to explain stuff in plain English so you could understand? Wouldn't it have been better if the banks wouldn't pursue these payments they know people can't afford, and then bundle these crap loans and sell them as AAA rated bonds to unwitting investors who back up their pension plans by investing in these bonds?

Wouldn't it be nice if someone was looking out for the consumers? http://banking.senate.gov/public/_files/...
8 months ago: Or you could be in my shoes, rotten credit because I was injured and didn't have enough income even with disability insurance, lots of land that is worth nothing because there isn't a house on it, more debt because of not being able to work and pay the debt I had before I was injured and no bank will lend on land to a disabled person, even one who has more income than many who work 40 hours a week. I'm rambling so guess I better go to sleep.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: It's bad nowadays. I feel like we are living on the dark side of the moon sometimes. People turn to bankruptcy but that even causes problems. I hope you can pull out of this okay, but it will take time. Plus, you have to do what you can to get well. That is important.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
8 months ago: Hey Six! Haven't heard from you in a while. Sorry to hear about your continuing financial problems.

How are those energy self sufficiency projects doing? I still haven't the money to put my solar collectors up.
8 months ago: Still have internet only once in a while (borrowed daughters Verizon wifi card this time) but getting closer to setting up a link to DSL via wifi, will be part of a farm system that spans several miles between fields.

Still got my eye on setting up solar water heater (have the panels) and a small PV system but my charge controller got caught in a flood and just don't have the bucks to buy another one just yet.

Things are looking up, at least a little, wife's Trailblazer gets paid off in three more payments!!!! Unfortunately the front differential went out and it is on blocks in the drive while I try to get the axles out so I can pull it and do a rebuild. Left on is STUCK hard in the bearing. Cutting torch is next. At least I can still do most of my own repairs even if it takes me ten times as long.

I'm off topic so will shut up and let someone else bring some new ideas to the thread.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: No, not at all. All the inconveniences are part of the harshness of the economy.
Car repair cost are very expensive, plus insurance goes higher and higher and you can be the best driver. My Dad use to repair my cars for nothing as he loved to work on cars in his spare time. I just put out about 2,000 in car repairs. Now I am planning to move and start fresh. I want to spend this coming Christmas in a new place. I'm happy that things are starting to look up for you.
Patsy
Patsy
8 months ago: @The Cypress Gang - no, that loan was offered in the UK 15 years ago - if I had taken it I would probably have gone bankrupt by now.

@Altruist - the banks will never be forced to explain stuff in plain English, the shareholders would have to agree to that visionary practice - and for them, to agree to it would be a case of cutting off their greedy little noses to spite their avaricious fat faces.

@sixholdens - so sorry to hear of your situation. I hope you managed to sleep with all that a-whirling around in your head.
8 months ago: Thanks! Sleeping is fine, I've been living with financial and physical difficulties for so long that it's starting to seem the norm. Not the norm I'd like but what is normal for me at this time of my life. Wife hasn't left and the kids still come to visit so guess everything is going to be ok.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: I point all 10 fingers at banks and nobody can tell me they didn't cause the biggest proglems.
8 months ago: Nobody?!?
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: It doesn't matter Red. We all think differently.
The reality of the poor economy has to be fixed no matter who is to blame.
Whatever it takes to do that I am sure we will be on the right track.
Sunny
jickay
jickay
Canada
8 months ago: Credit is here to stay whether we like it or not. Without it buying something as expensive as a house would be impossible. Could you imagine saving up $200k while renting before you could pay in cash? You would probably be retired before you owned a house.

It's all about balance. Don't borrow more than you can pay. It's a simple rate of payment vs rate of income. If you borrowed a high amount the debt increases pretty rapidly so the payments are higher and the length of repayment is longer. But if you borrowed a decent amount to match your income level then the length isn't so bad. In the case of a mortgage, you do get to live in your house while you pay for it.

I find one of the main gripes about debt is being locked in to a payment program for a long time. This means you have less flexibility in your career options because you might stunt your rate of income. But if you enjoyed your job I don't really see a problem in paying for, say, 40 years. On the other hand, if you hated your job a massive debt would mean locking you into something you have no pleasure in doing.

It might sound naive, but if we enjoyed what we do to earn income does it really matter how long your debt is? It doesn't seem so bad to be locked into something you would want to do in the first place.

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