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The Limits of Cause and Effect

Posted 10 months ago|25 comments|429 views
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Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
I know I live in a country that has been blessed with material goods that allows our society to pretend nothing ill ever happens, at least not to the majority of the population. Of course, a quick look at mass media informs the public that we are the blessed nation by demonstrating the devastation that takes place daily across the globe. "Glad I live in America" is how we accept the fact the world is not perfect. What the hell? Profanity, by the way, does place a important emphasis on what I feel is truly ignorant. At some point in my life I will find a better way to articulate my dissatisfaction with ignorance but for now profanity fills my literary gap fairly well. Back to my topic, what the hell?

There is no such thing as American exceptional-ism. Instead there was a series of historical and geographic coincidences that allowed The United States to become the sole supper-power. This in no way means that we should be shameful of our country but instead be aware of what we can claim as our creation or success. The road of trying to outline cause and effect in regards to nation building is paved with complexities beyond human comprehension. To compensate for our lack of biological computing power humans are forced to simplify complex and variable subjects. It is rare to find a quality simplification mental model that allows for flexibility against the unknown. Music is a good example of how a complicated piece of music can be created from simple notes on a page but allow for infinite combinations of mind bending works of beauty.

As I stated, music is a rare successful human simplification process. Most of our attempts to simplify are wrought with strife and unhappy endings. Humans were built to survive -- not to understand complex systems. Our range of understanding towards cause and effect is limited to one or two moving variables. Understanding what would kill us and what would help us live was the most powerful tool prehistoric humans possessed. Somewhere along the line the human race found ways to farm food supplies that increased our chances of survival by tending to and raising plants that could be easily stored. With this discovery our vast intellect was allowed the free time to think about other subjects other than pure survival. We still have the need to understand but often fail to understand our limitations.

This post was sparked at breakfast this morning in Frisco, Colorado at the Log Cabin Cafe. Heather (my wonderful and understanding fiance) and I have a wonderful habit of people watching and eavesdropping on tables around us. At a point between my hash-browns and the incredible eggs-Benedict my attention was grabbed by the conversation at the nearest table. A young women in her mid-twenties from Boulder, Colorado was talking about the recent outbreak of violence in the country of Libya. Her well intentioned but closed statements on events in Libya are a common form of simplification gone wrong.

She was talking about how wonderful it was that revolution had risen so rapidly against Gaddafi and that the rebels in the country would help provide freedom to the people of Libya. "This is a cause Obama should support because these people want freedom, these protests are going to spread and change the Middle East for the people." She suffers (we all do in some form) from a condition I call the compassion complex. This condition causes people to act on the principles they perceive to be moral but fail to account for different views of truth.

What happens in Libya when civil war breaks lose in the country and blood fills the exposed highways to Gaddafi's stronghold in Tripoli? Or if the United States enforces a no-fly-zone and traps fleeing refugees? In addition, Iran at some point will take advantage of the situation and stir up revolts in other nations to add to the destabilization of the region so that Iran can be seen as a stabilizer when it provides help to neighbors. What happens when the rebel movement only leads to another dictator and the people have died in vain? Will we still support the rebel movement or realize our compassion may have killed more people than prevented?

Her regurgitated CNN stance on the crisis in Libya is not a singular event and public compassion can bring great harm to a seemingly simple truth. There is no simple answer, ever. The best humans can do is find a plan that creates the least amount of unintended consequences yet still provides flexibility for unknown factors and variables that most certainly exist. For example, start with helping the people caught in a conflict they do not want. The United States has the ability to marshal unrivaled humanitarian aid, yet, we contemplate our military options instead. Bombs have a strange property of killing innocent people and creating large and negative unintended consequences. Easing suffering has fewer quagmires.

The main point to all of this is that the human world is complicated, violent, unfair and ruthless. Cause and effect is never clear cut. Our focus on the individual and national level should always be focused on understanding the properties of the unknown and the preservation of liberty to every human . We will fall short, of course, but our attempts will allow for more people to be spared the cruel fate of unintended consequences.
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Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: Great post here. Glad to see you posting again as well. I will make a few comments.

1st on American Hegemony. It was not so much a matter of our own doing in the intentional way. Rather looking at the hegemonic cycle it simply was a matter of luck driven by a few key events. Well 2 events specifically: World War I and World War II. Britain's reign as the hegemon of the world was on the downslide for nearly a decade when the events that triggered WWI occurred. Now there were two things that happened that started a pre-mature upswing on the cycle for the United States. 1st being that we were not directly involved at the onset in a multi-front war with other powerful nations. Instead we were given the unique opportunity to stay back a bit, which allowed our economy to blossom (selling large numbers of goods to European allies). When it came to the point that our involvement became necessary we then basically had dominated, by default, the three key areas of power necessary to be a hegemon (political, military and economy). As victory occurred we took a pro-active stance in the treaties that followed...hence we secured our power position. Any chance of a rebound from a (any) European nation to challenge us when the continent was quite literally destroyed in WWII. The outcomes of this and the current state of Hegemonic theory and power positioning is a discussion for a different post. This is really rambling so I will move on (I agree that there is nothing to be ashamed of in terms of being a superpower).

The events in Libya are an unfornate outcome of a long happening occurance in the Middle-East that can date back to the 80's and the first wars in the Gulf, the relationship with Saddam, bin Laden and King Abdullah to a lesser extent. The unrest there has long been a source of news stories for the CNN's of the world. What most people don't want to recognize is that the powerful nations of the world are responsible for what is happening (Britain, USA, Germany, France, Russia etc.) For various reasons the "Western world" has spent a lot of time meddling with the affairs of Middle Eastern nations and through the "strategic" implementation of "leaders" by the CIA and other organizations we have essentially primed the pump for unrest. Perhaps some of this was a long drawn out plan by the "West" so that there could be easy access to oil (this doesn't seem to be working if it was the plan) or maybe it was just sort of the whole "Some of the worst things ever have been done with the 'best intentions'"

As for the use of profanity, I will leave you with a line that ties in to the current events in the middle east:

"We f*!?ed the Middle East and it gave birth to a demon"
~~Immortal Technique
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
10 months ago: lol. You bring ups some great points here.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
10 months ago: Good Post Colorado and good comment Perfect. Much of the unrest in the middle East are unintended consequences of our (and other nations) meddling.

It probably all started when in 1953 when Kermit Roosevelt almost single handedly overthrew the democratically elected president Mossadegh of Iran, so what was to become BP could get more of their oil. This is probably the single reason for all of our terrorism problems today. http://www.rense.com/general40/roots.htm

This foreign policy "success" which was done very easily with just a bundle of money and a handful of people was the CIA's first covert operations against a foreign government. It was also the first time we overthrew a democratically elected government.

Flush with that victory we embarked on a whole series of similar manipulations in South and Central America (Banana Republics so fruit companies could exploit the people and land). In Asia in 1954, we obstructed the reunification of Vietnam, which had just defeated the French in the Indochinese war. As part of the Geneva peace agreement there would be free democratic elections and reunification of the country, but the CIA found that 80% of the people would have voted for Ho Chi Mien, so for the next 20 years we opposed the will of the people, prevented reunification, and set up a series of corrupt puppet governments in the South. http://www.ithaca.edu/looksharp/MCWarweb...

As the direct consequences of our manipulations people in the Latin American countries, the Middle East, and in Asia, all distrust and often hate the US because for so long we thwarted the will of the people for our own gain.

There is a direct cause and effect here, but it is indeed complicated and because of the propaganda machine in the US, most people are unaware of our unseemly history.

People everywhere eventually become so outraged at the series of tyrants that we usually support, that they try to overthrow the tyrants with varying success. One of the best ways to turn the people against us would be to "Help". That is why Obama was so careful not to interfere in Egypt.

It is important that we learn from history so we don't make the same mistakes again.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
10 months ago: well put. I agree that by trying to creat stablity in the middle east over the decades all we have done is support dictators and made the region more unstable.
Felix Mannow
Felix Mannow
England
10 months ago: too many countries interfering in other countries.
the middle east has and always will be a hot beds of hatred.
alot of countries not even wanting ceasefires between israel and palestines.
Muslim fanaticals can not be reasoned with and it will be a long war against thems.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: "the middle east has and always will be a hot beds of hatred"

~~Not even remotely close. Unless by "always" you mean since 1970 or so.

Muslims are, largely, tolerant and peaceful people. (Look at Iberia from around 710-730) or countless other examples. It was not until "Western" interference in their countries have the governments of middle eastern Arab nations decided that they wanted to violently strike out at the "West".

To play devil's advocate on this topic: If your country were being controlled by, invaded by, occupied by and attacked by another would you not wish to strike back?

As for Muslim extremists, I think the same could be said about any extremist. Should we attack and hate all Christians because of the actions of Timothy McVeigh and Anders Behring Breivik? What about the Jews? Should we hate them based on the actions of Baruch Goldstein and Eden Natan-Zada? There are hundreds of violent acts carried out in the name of every religion. The key is to be able to distinguish between extremists and the normal, everyday person.
10 months ago: Very well said.

Too often folks want to lump everyone one into a specific category and marginalize them. It's done all the time religiously, politically, culturally, economically, etc.

It's the easy way out to judge a person or a group rather than at least try to understand where they are coming from regardless of whether we appear to be on the same page or not.
10 months ago: Good food for thought.

Until humans get their priorities together on a personal as well as a global level there will never be peaceful co-existence. When we forget who we are, when we play games and pretend the obvious doesn't exist, there is no way to avoid adverse circumstances and trouble.

Sure, there is some inherent issues and problems we will have to deal with simply because we are fallible humans. However much of our trouble could be circumvented if we simply take ourselves off the throne.

Reaping and sowing. An agrarian concept that has tremendous ramifications in our individual worlds. We will get a harvest of what we plant in the ground and in our lives. What we believe, what we speak, how we live all comes back to us. And not just us, but to those whose lives we touch. Do we bring a blessing or a curse when we show up?

Why am I here? What is most important in life? Is there any eternal significance to all this? Big questions that many skirt rather than tackle head on. Saying these are unanswerable questions is a cop out.

Life is a journey and each of us has to navigate its course. We are all in the same boat but we don't all have the same destination.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
10 months ago: love the last sentance here.
10 months ago: I'm glad that resonated with you. Keep writing, this was good.
10 months ago: Charlie says, "Survival of the fittest, eh? Good ole Charlie can relate to that! Those well meaning Christians should keep their religion to themselves and let the craziest most powerful Muslim win. This way when our own nation is weakened enough from the conservative assault on the middle class and the inner integrity of our government itself they can quickly subdue us and turn us into the first Muslim state in North America. Yup, sounds like a plan alright!"
sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: They don't get it Dwayne.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: Racism is pretty easy to "get". Its quite apparent in the post by ol' Charlie right here.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
10 months ago: So are we implying social darwinism? or sarcasm?

Because that would be very fun if it is a joke...
sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: Woman have opinions just like everyone else. Anyway, who sits and listens to others conversations that's pretty rude, and then comments on an internet site. Why didn't you say something then if you didn't agree. Oh yeah, woman don't have any right to speak or think. Quite evident.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: What in the world are you talking about??? He said that he was at a diner having breakfast and heard a conversation that sparked this post. Its not like he is attacking the women for having said the things she did about Libya...he just got the idea for a post based on what he had heard.

Not sure what kind of diners you go to, but its pretty impossible to not overhear/eavesdrop on conversations in small diners, especially at breakfast time.
sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: My comment stands.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: I see that. My question still remains. What in the world are you talking about? When did he say he didn't want women to have a voice or whatever you are rambling about???
sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: What are you talking about. All I see is wordy conversation which is meaningless. I said what I meant. Oh, I can't say that.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
10 months ago: He was in a diner eating and over heard a conversation which sparked this post. At what point did he say that the women didn't have a right to say what she was saying? Where did he say that her misguided statements were such because of the fact that she was a women. It could have as easily been a man saying something that was regurgitated at him on CNN or FauxNews. If you got sexism out of this post then you are incredibly over sensitive.
sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: He can talk for himself. He did good.
I don't think he is a bad guy.
Just continue writing. Good stuff.
Some of it is wordy and too much to read. Maybe get straight to the point.
I'm only sensitive to our fellow Americans struggling to get by.
I'm like a rock.
Thanks for your comment.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
10 months ago: Thanks everone for the great comments. I agree with a lot of the statements above and loved alot of the historical insights.

I guess I also need to state I have nothing against the woman that was referanced above, I was just interested that humans like to gloss over complex subjects with simple truths. It was not my intention to state any sexist comments. Please except my appologies if you feel I have offened you.

Thanks everyone
10 months ago: Charlie says, " Either it is or it isn't, what do you all think it is?"
sunny2
sunny2
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sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: There is one thing to be said about sensitivity.
Some people don't have it at all.
sunny2
sunny2
10 months ago: : I realize that Colorado. Although, you could of addressed me directly.
Many people just have a concept of how things are.
Sometimes it is enough and sometimes not.
I really did enjoy reading the comments and that you both are writing again.
The Government hasn't been exactly clear with us or up front on all issues.
This world is in turmoil. I rather live in the USA than anywhere. I was taught that by an Uncle in the Navy Airforce and fought and traveled the World that there was no place like Home in the USA.
Too bad some are spoiling it for us, but they are in the minority.

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