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The Collapse of an Empire

Posted 18 months ago|5 comments|489 views
Converting Paved Roads to Gravel
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
I lived in a town of 200 in Montana once. The County was so small that they had little government. When I bought my house for $5000 it was just a shack with a two holer and a cold water line. I was free to rebuild my house without having to worry about permits or inspectors. Still living in town placed some limits on my freedom. One neighbor took me to court because my dog barked, and we argued about my ratty fence.

Then we moved out in the country. With no nearby neighbors I could do as I wanted. I raised goats and a pig, and could grow my own food. I could do odd jobs and some carpentry to make enough to pay the taxes and buy the tools, fuel, and stuff I couldn't make. Freedom was good and taxes were low.

Then when I had kids I realized that traveling 40 miles to see a doctor when they were sick was a pain. I wanted better schools and more friends and activities for the kids, and jobs were scarce so I moved to the big city.

Civilization requires that you trade off some of your personal freedoms for better services. In Montana no one complained about my having several parts cars scattered around the place, now if my car drips oil on the pavement I can get a fine. Sometimes those restrictions chafe. 95% of homeowners associations have covenants against clotheslines.

We could probably get by with smaller government and less taxes if we had unlimited land, few people, and we could give everyone 40 acres and a John Deer. But even then few would have the expertise or inclination to live off the land. Now that there are 7 billion people on the planet, most are crowded in cities, which require more regulations because we need to keep everyone's sewage and accompanying communicable diseases out of the water supply. Things like sewage plants, water treatment systems, and road crews, etc. etc. all need to be paid for and require taxes. In the real world, if you live in a city you have to get along with your neighbors. You can't build too close or too high to threaten their solar access. You have to get permits and inspections if you build anything. We have a good sewer system, good water, parks, bike paths, and good roads. To pay for all of the added services the taxes have to be much higher than in the country.

I think we still have the best country in the world, but in some ways we are slipping behind other nations. In many ways we get what we pay for. We have the best military in the world, and spend more on that then the rest of the world combined, but in other areas we are slipping. Our education used to be the best, but now kids are scoring poorly, yet we are laying off teachers and cutting the time our kids attend. Now some cities are ripping up crumbling asphalt and returning the roads to gravel. We are laying off police, telling citizens that they are just out of luck if they get robbed, and letting criminals out of prison because we no longer want to pay for the services we expect. http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212470...

Taxes are the price that we pay for civilization. People in the Scandinavian countries gladly pay half their GDP in taxes and get many more services, while we pay only 28% and gripe that the country is becoming Socialist.

Most of the people in this country are overburdened with their taxes while others accumulate unheard of piles of cash and do not pay their fair share. Most of the people in this country are suffering and having trouble making ends meet, while others are living in unprecedented luxury.

The ironic thing is that many of those who are suffering the most, defend the existing social disparity and income inequality and attack those who are trying to make their lives easier. Ideology is more important than self interest.

The country is collapsing but those on the right would rather see it collapse than raise the taxes necessary to sustain it.

Our empire is slowly collapsing and we have the choice of changing to a more equitable society that invests in the future, or we can watch as other nations overtake us.

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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
18 months ago: ...Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
And cold comfort for change?
Did you exchange
A walk on part in the war,
For a lead role in a cage?...
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: By raising taxes, do you mean raising the successful people's taxes, up to 90%, as all commie liberals always cry for?

"Most of the people in this country are overburdened with their taxes while others accumulate unheard of piles of cash and do not pay their fair share."

When and how does paying 90% become paying your fair share?

What about raising it to 95% or 98%?

How much money will commie liberals allow a hard working man to have?

To know the mind of the commie liberal is to know the truth


To Really Know What A Commie Liberal Is, Just Know What They Stand For -- They Are ONLY For:

Anti-Self Defense, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Real Constitutional History, Anti-Family Values, Anti-Business, Pro-Big Government, Pro-New World Order, Pro-Criminals, Anti-Natural Nutrients, Pro-Excessive Taxation, Pro-Excessive Federal Regulations, Pro-Abortion Or Anti-Life, Anti-Real Causes Of Illnesses And Pro-Symptom Cures, Anti-Natural Doctors And Pro-Symptom Doctors, Anti-God, Anti-Religion, Pro-Godless Cults, Anti-Patriotism, Pro-Corruption, and Pro-Immorality, Pro-Perversion, Pro-Bestiality, Etc., And Etc..

When We Have Commie Liberals In Control, We Don't Need Plagues, We Have The 666 To Rule Us.

By knowing how their sick minds work. Can you trust them? Do they ever tell the truth?

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
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Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
18 months ago: Let us be honest here "Lie-Hunter"

Plenty of "successful" people were born with silver spoon in hand and did nothing to gain their many millions of dollars. After an elite ivy education they then make policies for the nation with no real experience. George W. Bush was the single greatest example of this.

I dont agree with unfair taxes because of my conviction of the right of personal property but Altruist has some good points. So stop calling him a "liberal commie."

"I tell it as I see fit, I hate, I hate, I hate anyone who disagrees with me." - Ignorance hunter
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: Well, you just gave yourself away as another commie Liberal.

Over taxation is a clue to the commie Liberal mind.

Here are more clues to the commie Liberal mind:

To know the mind of the commie liberal is to know the truth


To Really Know What A Commie Liberal Is, Just Know What They Stand For -- They Are ONLY For:

Anti-Self Defense, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Real Constitutional History, Anti-Family Values, Anti-Business, Pro-Big Government, Pro-New World Order, Pro-Criminals, Anti-Natural Nutrients, Pro-Excessive Taxation, Pro-Excessive Federal Regulations, Pro-Abortion Or Anti-Life, Anti-Real Causes Of Illnesses And Pro-Symptom Cures, Anti-Natural Doctors And Pro-Symptom Doctors, Anti-God, Anti-Religion, Pro-Godless Cults, Anti-Patriotism, Pro-Corruption, and Pro-Immorality, Pro-Perversion, Pro-Bestiality, Etc., And Etc..

When We Have Commie Liberals In Control, We Don't Need Plagues, We Have The 666 To Rule Us.

By knowing how their sick minds work. Can you trust them? Do they ever tell the truth?

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"

http://www.zshare.net/video/770741931126...


Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
18 months ago: While I would certainly like the top tax rates on the billionaires to return to the 90% they have historically been at during times of war, nobody is seriously considering that. Obama and the Democrats are merely wanting the tax rates on the rich to return to the levels they were at under Clinton 39.5% (the last time we balanced the budget). At the same time Obama and the Democrats want to give tax breaks to 98% of Americans to stimulate the economy.

The Republicans want to give the Rich an additional $700 billion they don't need, without any plan to pay for it, and with negligible stimulus value or job creation. (The rich save their tax breaks instead of spending it and the 8 years of tax breaks to the rich resulted in zero jobs.)

This illustrates the hollowness of their concern about the deficit and the debt. They only want those who are already overburdened with taxes to shoulder even more of the the debt while the rich have money to burn.

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