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Tax Reform Part 2 - Social Security And How To Pay For It

Posted 4 months ago|14 comments|255 views
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
In the next month or so Congress will be asked to extend the payroll tax cut to the end on the year. The republicans were hurt with their opposition to the extension. Have they learned anything from that?

The payroll tax cut only affects the middle class because the tax has a cap of $107,000. This tax cut is good because these are the people who need the money most right now to get the economy going again. The bad thing is that we are destabilizing the Social Security System. Right now the SS system is the only government program that is not bankrupt. There is a $2.4 trillion surplus in the SS trust fund and the rest of the government is taking funds from the trust fund to run the rest of government. When we are told that the SS funds from the tax cut will be repaid from the general fund, it is just book keeping, there is no money in the general fund to repay SS.

Social Security has it's own funding source and if the money in the trust fund were protected, the program should remain stable until 2037. If the cap were raised to $250,000 Social Security would remain stable indefinitely.

If Congress does not extend the Payroll Tax Cut it should pump an equivalent amount of money ($252 billion) into the economy to benefit the poor and middle class. The best way to do that, is to give jobs to the 15 million people now out of work.

There are many ways to create jobs. We do need $2.4 trillion worth of infrastructure that needs to be repaired. Tax cuts to businesses if they hire will help, but neither of these will help those that need help the most. The chronically unemployed probably don't have the skills or education to rebuild our infrastructure, and businesses won't hire them if there are more qualified applicants.

The government should train and educate those in need. If the government expanded programs like the following the chronically unemployed could once again become productive tax paying citizens and they can get off their reliance on government programs:

• The School Improvement Corps could create thousands of construction and maintenance jobs by funding positions created by public school districts to do needed school rehabilitation improvements.

• The Park Improvement Corps would create hundreds of thousands of jobs for youth between the ages of 16 and 25 through new funding to the Department of the Interior and the USDA Forest Service's Public Lands Corps Act. Young people would work on conservation projects on public lands include restoration and rehabilitation of natural, cultural, and historic resources.

• The Student Jobs Corps would creates hundreds of thousands of part-time, work study jobs for eligible college students through new funding for the Federal Work Study Program.

• The Neighborhood Heroes Corps would hire hundreds of thousands of teachers, new police officers, and firefighters.

• The Health Corps would hire at least tens of thousands of health care providers, including physicians, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, nurses, and health care workers to expand access in underserved rural and urban areas.

• The Child Care Corps would create hundreds of thousands of jobs in early childhood care and education through additional funding for Early Head Start.

• The Community Corps would hire hundreds of thousands of individuals to do needed work in our communities, including housing rehab, weatherization, recycling, and rural conservation.

Of course the Republicans with their new found fiscal concerns, would want to pay for all of these programs. Texas also got most of it's job creation through government programs, and paid for many by taxing resource extraction. Perhaps we could do the same?

The mining laws haven't changed since 1872. We are essentially giving away all of our natural resources found on public lands to international and in many cases foreign corporations. Why can't we charge what those companies pay to private landowners, and also demand the same site restoration? This would probably pay for giving millions of people jobs. http://www.montanariveraction.org/1872.m...

We are endangering our coastal communities and the environment by expanding offshore drilling, even though emergency cut off valves have still not been fixed. Perhaps the oil companies should also pay more to cover the potential for more BP oil disasters?
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sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Good ideas. It only takes a little thought and inititive to get things rolling. Does the government care about the chronically unemployed any longer?
It is very hard to get training, and then the jobs have to be there. I fought for one entire year to get into a good program. What they tell you is, "what if I have to tell my manager that you can't get a job at the completion of the course? When I saw that I kept getting this each time I went back, I was very persistent. That is so crazy and demeaning to do to people. Years ago I took a program in computer networking, and out of the entire class of about 1,500 I landed a job which lasted 10 years in a major company until I was outsourced. The thing is I have that experience today which has given me a life time of a good solid foundation. Now I'm taking something else that is in demand. I love working and achieving.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Wouldn't it be awful if ss went bust. I can't even picture that in my mind what would happen to our society. One day someone says it is in good shape, the next day they say beware it is running out. If they keep drawing on it, it will go bust. This is a safety net for millions of people, so they either have to come up with something better or leave it alone.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
4 months ago: You forgot one way to protect SS:
Pass a Constitutional Amendment requiring the SS Trust Fund to regarded as just that, a trust fund.

There is no money in the SS Trust fund. It has all been spent, and nothing is in the lockbox except IOUs issued by the Federal Government. The same government that has so many IOUs out, it requires three separate sets of books to keep up with them all. We as a nation are $60 trillion in debt and counting. Any way you slice it, sooner or later, something is going to have to give. All the creative bookkeeping in the world isn't going to change that.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: That would be catastrophic.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
4 months ago: What is going to be catastrophic is if we don't start eliminating the debt. Taxing the rich is not the answer. If you took every penny away from the top 10% of wealthy people, it would run the government for three months.

No, the answer is to start scaling back the government, in all its forms.

What did people do before the SS law was passed? Did people leave their old folks on an ice floe to drift out to sea and die? No, they took care of their own. They didn't ship Grandma off to a nursing home to die of loneliness and boredom. They all pitched in and took care of Grandma in her twilight years, the way families are supposed to do.

We need to get back to the nuclear family before it's too late for all of us, and quit depending on our rich old uncle to take care of our inconvenient family members, because rich old Uncle Sam is flat busted.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: We absolutely need some sort of trust fund to guarantee that money is kept in one place.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: I agree that it won't help just taxing the rich, but it still would help if they did pay their fair share, especially they have opportunity others don't have. . It would help if government officials weren't paid so much money or given all the costly benefits. They won't scale back in those areas.
The immigrants built our country in the early 1900s and brought their old world ways with them. Italians, Polls, Hungarians, Greeks, etc. were laborers and worked hard and took care of their own. Family counted then. Not like today where a parent is thrown into a nursing home to die. My grandparents were immigrants and had the old ways where they took care of their family members. It will never return to those times because it was a way of life that was traditional, and I don't think that will ever be adapted again. I'm wondering how it was in the original 13 colonies with family life and care. We are in another phase of what I call the second ice age because nobody cares and who knows what will happen. The nuclear family to me in the US had strong family ties. I don't think that will ever exist any more because people have become so desensitized to each other.
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/snpim...

sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Al we have a new generation that will soon be of age possibly to make changes. From what I have been seeing, they are being taught in the schools the necessity of keeping their world intact. It seems to be a different breed of kids that just might do it. They have a better understanding. All it takes is a handful of these young people. I think our government as it is has gotten stale.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: No one is saying that all we have to do is tax the rich to balance the books, You also need to cut the military and make the corporations pay their fair share.

Half the nation is at poverty levels and we can't balance the budget by attacking the poor and middle class. They are already suffering. The corporations are sitting on trillions in cash and making record profits. Taxes on the rich are lower than at any other time and they are living in obscene luxury while the rest of the country suffers. Their incomes increased 250% while the rest went downhill. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-tic...

During Clinton's term we had $200 billion surpluses projected indefinitely. What changed?
1. Bush doubled military spending.
2. Bush reduced capital gains taxes and gave tax breaks to the rich.
3. Bush totally destroyed the economy and lost 8 million jobs so all of those people stopped paying taxes and instead started drawing government services.

So the first step is to reduce military spending to 2001 levels.

The second step is to allow the Bush tax cuts to revert to Clinton area rates. This is not "Soaking the Rich" All it does is raise the top rate from 30% to 34.9% and increase capital gains to what it was.

Now since we still have 15 million unemployed we need to invest in jobs programs so they can start paying taxes again. We should also invest in education and research since all of the manufacturing jobs have moved overseas. More jobs have been eliminated by automation.

Those jobs aren't coming back so we need to invest in re-educating the nation and foster innovation to replace those lost jobs.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: OOTB I would be all in favor of a lock box to protect the Social Security Trust Fund.

I am glad that you have adopted Al Gore's main campaign program. It was opposed at that time by all of the Republicans. http://www.newshounds.us/2007/10/17/reme...

Social Security is not broken. The rest of the government is broken. Social Security is good till 2037 at which time the benefits wouldn't stop, they would be reduced by 20%. Simply raising the cap would fix Social Security.

Sunny you are right in some ways. I have been listening to the students at the University and there are a lot of good ideas coming from the students. There is always hope.

They think that the basic definition of business needs to change. Now by law corporations only consideration is to make money for the stock holder. Since most big corporations are international, that means pulling jobs from the US and moving manufacturing to China. This harms the US, and the American people.

We need to switch to Benefit Corporations that help the communities and the workers instead of just the stockholders. We need more worker owned corporations and give the workers say in wages and compensation of CEO's so they don't make 300 times what the workers get. http://bcorporation.net/
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Al, because I lived through extreme conditions with this economy I can see the hardships facing us if there isn't change for the better made soon. I do know that there has to be an entirely new innovative thinking geared to the positive outlook of the people, as you use the word "innovation", in order to have a future in America.
During the Christmas shopping season, I noticed how many big name clothing brands are all marked "Made in China." Calvin Kline - Made in China. What knocks me over is that the media is publicizing how much more money Americans spent this season which is way over the previous years' percentages, therefore, things are looking up. Where is the money really going if everything is being produced internationally. The manufacturing companys need to come back to the US, or there has to be a new kind of job market created. The facts as you and Box present are the facts. I don't believe ss is in trouble yet, but what is going to stop them from taking from the fund because they say they absolutely need the money, and poof it is gone. We do need an iron clad trust fund to protect the future of ss. Who in their right mind would discontinue it as the Republicans have tried to do over and over again without a backup plan at least. Military spending won't stop that soon. They are sending troops to Afganistan as I write this. It is all smoke and mirrors.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: One thing I do know is that the future of our Country is in the hands of our youth, and we don't need leaders to sway them or brainwash them by introducing the youth of America to a devastating way of life as we have today where they won't have opportunity. This is one area no one should be allowed to infiltrate with government brainwashing.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: I really would like to know what happens to American realestate when places like China, Russia, Japanese are buying it all up. What is going to be left for us? How can we call this our homeland? We send our military out there to fight for these foreign countries that already own our land. What will be left to fight for? It is a disgusting mess.
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/... - 909k
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Al...I didn't mean to get off the subject of ss, but we have a lot of problems to deal with here.

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