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Talk About Government Waste!!

Posted 8 months ago|10 comments|328 views
The Worst Kind Of Stimulus
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
Some of us remember the big stink about the $500 hammers and the $1000 toilet seats the military buys. Since then there have been a few attempts to straighten out procurement but not much has changed.

The Government Accountability Office found $70 billion in waste in big weapons systems. http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/03/...

A separate Congressional report found $60 billion on contract fraud and abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan. http://www.stripes.com/mobile/news/repor...

But all of these estimates at waste and fraud are just guesses. Nobody really knows where all of the military money goes. There is an enormous amount of secrecy among the 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies who work for the military, and every little project jealously guards how much appropriations they are getting from every other department. Why isn't there a comprehensive audit or budget department to track funding and to cut waste? http://garyjohnsongrassroots.com/viewtop...

We spend as much on our military as the rest of the world combined. Obama came to office promising to end the wars and he ended the combat troops in Iraq and is supposed to start drawing down troops in Afghanistan. Our military mission is pretty much over. We have killed Osama Bin Laden and severely weakened Al Queda, so there are less than a hundred in Afghanistan. Why can't we reduce the size of the military to pre-2001 levels now?

A recent Reuters/Ipsos poll found 51 percent of Americans support reducing defense spending, and only 28 percent want to cut Medicare and Medicaid health programs for the elderly and poor. A mere 18 percent back cuts in the Social Security retirement program. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41993528/ns/...#.TmAC-F2o1uw

The Republican plan is pretty much the opposite of what the people want. They want to end Medicare and Social Security and instead of cutting the military budget they voted to increase the military budget $17billion. They are slashing programs people need but they are forcing the military to accept weapons systems they did not ask for or need. http://www.minnpost.com/community_voices...

The Republicans like defense spending because there is likely a defense plant in every district, but defense spending is the worst kind of stimulus you can think of. You get fewer jobs, and less of the the money spent gets into the economy. Worst of all We don't really get anything the people can use for the money. If we spent the same amount on rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure or on research we could get new bridges, highways, water supplies and green jobs. If we spend it on war we get more enemies.

Now the Super Committee needs to find $1.2 trillion in savings from the budget. That shouldn't be too hard to find if you look at military spending. Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfield said there was $2.3 trillion that the military just lost because of waste, fraud, corruption, and poor book keeping. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/2...

There has also been a big push to privatize the military. We have more private contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan than regular troops and many of these mercenaries get paid five times what our troops get for doing the same thing. It costs a million dollars a year for each one of our troops over there. Are we spending $5 million a year for each mercenary? No one knows how much we are spending for "private contractors" or for "Black Ops". http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-w...

Governor Gary Johnson who is one of the many republicans running for president in 2012, says that he can cut the military budget 43% without weakening our defenses. http://garyjohnsongrassroots.com/viewtop...

If we cut $280 billion form the military, $280 billion from domestic spending, $280 billion from corporate welfare, and $280 billion from the rich who refuse to pay their fair share in taxes, we would have $1.1 trillion.
UPDATE - 8 months ago
A new analysis indicates that the $60 billion of waste and fraud in Iraq and Afghanistan could have created 193,000 jobs. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/09...
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
8 months ago: There are lots of private contractors in Afghanistan and Iraq that Obama is paying. I figure that would be a tremendous savings compared to the price of keeping a US soldier on the ground. You figure the average pay for an enlisted man is around $50,000/year. Pay a merc five times that and you only have $250,000 per man, compared to the $1 mil+ it takes the government to keep him over there. Much, much cheaper to hire the mercenaries, and way less news coverage when one of them gets killed or captured.
8 months ago: Holy Moses! If an enlisted man's pay was 50K a year no one would ever get out! Even adding perks and untaxed allowances you won't get that big of a paycheck.

http://www.navycs.com/2012-military-pay-...

Remember, most troops on the ground doing the dirty work are enlisted, first or second termers, under E6 and under 8 years and I'm just guessing from past experience.

Those that make it to retirement get 50% of the amount in the paychart, nothing else, all those untaxed perks and allowances don't count so when you read Parade magazine's annual pay report and see an E5 or E6 saying they make 80K a year they must be skimming from somewhere or they really don't have a clue what they really earn.

Military forces are not cheap to recruit, train and keep and if you put them in the field to do what you trained them to do, you have to foot the bill. Are you ready to pay $8 a gallon for gas and more for diesel? That is just the most common item everyone points at, there are thousands of other things that will become "luxeries" if we back off on our foriegn presence and our military training.
8 months ago: Al. Get back to us when you can post the documented political persuasion of the districts that received the wasted spending. Can I take a guess?
8 months ago: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
8 months ago: The military industrial complex intentionally farmed out its contracts so there would be military funded work in almost every district in the country both Democrat and Republican. They all receive lots of money from lobbyists.
http://www.iraqwar.org/micomplex.htm

The reason it costs a million per soldier is all of the logistical support. The US pays for the logistical support of the mercs too don't we? Who knows?

Another thing that no one knows, is the number of military bases we have overseas. The official number is over 800 but that doesn't count Iraq, Afghanistan and a bunch of other places so the number goes over 1000 or 1100. The worst thing about all of these military bases is most of the money to build and support them goes to local sources. So we are shipping tons of money to foreign bases and not much comes back and none is used to help people in the US. http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2011/01/...

8 months ago: Those supplies that are purchased here in the States and shipped to all those bases because the local economy either doesn't have them or the price is just to high (because the locals over there read our news and know to demand top prices) have to be supplied by someone here so when you say no benefit to Stateside people or businesses you aren't being very honest.

Would you rather other countries had their bases here?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
8 months ago: The benefit of our military bases to local economies is undisputed. The benefits to foreign economies is also undisputed, as Al has pointed out. By having military bases overseas, we are killing two birds with one stone. We are providing protection for our allies against aggressors, and we are providing foreign assisstance in the form of jobs and purchasing local products.
8 months ago: Good thing our armed forces kicked the scumbag, muslim terrorists butts and kept the homeland safe! (Remember 911?)

How much are the lives in your neighbors worth Al?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
8 months ago: Didn't kick any terrorist butts in Iraq Red. This was a totally unnecessary war that had nothing to do with 9/11. While Saddam was a real bastard and treated his people abysmally, he didn't put up with any terrorists in Iraq and he provided a defense and buffer against Iran.

Yes some of our bases overseas are necessary for forward bases so we can strike around the world and have a place to monitor our enemies and ship supplies from, but do we need 1000? Can we afford 1000?

We needed these bases to defend the weak states from the Soviet Union, but now there is only one super power, and it is time that the other nations fend for themselves. Local sources are more important for intelligence gathering. The war on terror is more of a police action and needs intelligence more than forward bases to launch an invasion from.

Closing bases will reduce the friction caused by rape of local women, and crime in many cases. http://the-diplomat.com/2010/10/06/time-...

Closing obsolete and unneeded bases will strengthen the services as well as saving money. http://www.g2mil.com/OBCL.htm

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
8 months ago: One of the supercommittee members John Kyle said he would quit the committee if there is more talk about cutting military spending. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/091...

Well it is good to know everything is on the table!

If Kyle has his way the committee will be deadlocked and then automatic $600 billion cuts to the military will cut in. Perhaps that would be for the best.

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