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Support Surges for Scientology Leader

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All around the world, celebrities and every-day folk, Scientologist and non-Scientologist alike, have flocked to align themselves with the growing rush of support for the leader of the Church of Scientology, Mr David Miscavige.

Mr Miscavige has been the victim of attacks launched by a number of newspapers and websites that cited the fraudulent accounts of Scientology traitors, envious of Mr Miscavige's leadership of the religion.

Yet, many people have volunteered to lend their names and prestige to honor and defend Mr Miscavige's morality and achievements in a special edition of Freedom Magazine.

This special edition of Freedom, a leading investigative journal, has been published by Mr Miscavige to counter the fraudulent allegations against him.

Great people such as Dr Iva Ryggestahl, Dr Adly Abu Hajar, Dr Gunnar Bramstang, Dr Bertil Perrson, London Police Chief Superintendant Mr Kevin Hurley, Mr Meade Emory, Ms Monique Yingling, Ms Anne Archer, Ms Jenna Elfman, Mr Mark Listug, Mr Kurt Isham, Mr Dan Maddox, and many others have all unselfishly been enlisted to the defense of Mr Miscavige, and will gladly back up their support again in court, or provide comment to the press, whenever requested.

Indeed, Dr Adly Abu Hajar, a muslim, endorsed the characterization of Scientology's Clearwater, Florida as “Mecca”, a Holy City, and the center of expansion for the fastest growing religion of the 21st century under Scientology's benign but firm religious ethics.

These are in addition to the millions of other Scientologists worldwide, such as Mr Tom Cruise, Mr John Travolta, Ms Kate Ceberano whose support can be implicitly relied upon by Mr Miscavige regardless of the nature of the allegations against him.

Each of these people are ready at any time to vouch for the huge and explosive expansion of Scientology, and the steadfast ethics of its leader. Each of these people has chosen to lend their reputations to the support of a great man of good will, despite the ridicule of the media and psychopaths attacking him.

See www.freedommag.org
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markbyrn
markbyrn
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34 months ago: Why are you replicating the Church of Scientology propaganda magazine? Did somebody in the cult assign you this task? The fact is more and more Church of Scientology defectors are coming forward with accounts of abuse and the cult is on the defensive. Other than Slappy Miscavige's printing press, can you cite other sources?
34 months ago: Markbym, I am commenting on current events, not doing as you described.

I've cited numerous sources. Call them if you like.
34 months ago: I'm curious how you go from a local Imam commenting on interfaith actions to "endorsed the characterization of Scientology's Clearwater, Florida as “Mecca”, a Holy City". I have found nowhere a statement by this individual to that effect, let alone one even involving David Miscavige.

Dr. Gunnar Bramstang
-No quote of any kind can be found

London Police Chief Superintendant Mr Kevin Hurley
-Spoke (very) briefly at an Org opening years ago. Otherwise, no recent comments.

Ms Monique Yingling, Ms Anne Archer, Ms Jenna Elfman
-Employee, Scientologist, Scientologist

Meade Emory
-Involved in the still secret IRS agreement, no recent comments.

Mark Listug
-No attributable quote can be found.

Most of these names, if they've made a comment they made it years ago and not in connection with recent events. Most are identified only by name, with no link to the quote or even a citation OF the quote. You're pretty much asking us to take your word for it that these people (if they exist) have said something. You've provided no references or actual citations of sources, you've simply just listed some names.

Speak of lists of names, I can come up with a list of over 500 that beats your measely list of 15 (including the celebrities). Over 500 ex-Scientologists, all with the same stories, experiences, and data.

And my list has references:
http://tinyurl.com/scientologyex
34 months ago: "In the course of 30 year I have watched with my own eyes how you save one life after another through the methods of L. Ron Hubbard. Your contributions to Swedish society cannot be measured." Dr. Gunnar Bramstang

I believe that you could ask all the people quoted in support of Scientology and Mr Miscavige in Freedom Magazine and they will be more than happy to support the report in Freedom Magazine, unreservedly support Mr Miscavige, and condemn the muck-raking journalists and lying psychopaths who say that he abuses people.

34 months ago: BTW Anonymous Voice, you must find it suspicious that all these people you are talking about all have the "same stories experiences and data".
34 months ago: I can only predict the recent release of freedom magazine will be causing even more downstats throughout the world, doing no good of any kind.
34 months ago: Stats are charging upwards, all over the world, ScientologyLover87.
34 months ago: not from what I see in Upper management.
34 months ago: Thank you, Jack. I know it must have been hard for you to remember to cite your source and attribute quotes by actually using them rather than blindly accepting at face value what you have been told before repeating it ad naseum to others until they in turn unquestioningly believe it. But kudos to you for still having a vestige of those critical thinking skills not yet drowned out.

Which "all these people", Jack? Blindly using pronouns without context is an example of poor education. If you're referring to the critics, then no I don't find it suspicious that people who never met, never communicated with each other, but underwent the same circumstances should have similar stories. Perhaps you're familiar with the word "corroboration", if not you should word clear it.

See, the difference between the critics' testimony and the testimonials of Clears, OTs, etc. is evidence.
Perfect memory, instant recall, complete emotional balance, all testable but never demonstrated.
Fraud, torture, lies, hypocrisy, all testable and evidenced in official court records, Church of Scientology documents and "scripture", physical and emotional damage, and even acknowledgement by Church of Scientology spokespersons (thank YOU, Tommy Davis).
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
34 months ago: Jack, try googling Conrad Black or Garth Drabinsky and see what you find. They are both famous Canadian businessmen who have been convicted of serious crimes. One is in jail, the other is on the way to jail. Before sentencing they came up with letters from important people, in one case a former Canadian Prime Minister, stating all the good they had done.

I don't know how influenced the judges are by letters like those. The average Canadian is dismayed-- after all if we commit heinous crimes we are not well connected and can only produce letters from average people. But what is universally understood is that the letters don't change the facts.

Einstein was famously handed a petition from a hundred scientists denying relativity when relativity was breaking news. He famously replied that if his theory was not true, only one signature would be needed. The petition didn't change the facts.

Jack, it seems your readers here are not willing to take Freedom Magazine, hardly an unbias source, as evidence.

Personally I am not surprised at the recent events. Rumours have been in the air for years but no newspaper or legal organization has stood up and taken notice until now. Where we really differ is that I see this sort of thing as typical of your organization. You probably see Scientology as the most ethical group on the planet. I see them as a bunch of fraud artists who intimidate people into silence.

Here in Toronto we have had two physical assaults of Scientology protesters. The assaults never made the news. The cult is very small and most everyone ignores it. The 1992 convictions of Toronto Scientologists and of The Church of Scientology itself are virtually forgotten but not by me. L.Ron's conviction is long forgotten news. Mary Sue Hubbards jailing probably never made the local papers. But with all this in Scientology's wake, why would I be surprised with the news about Miscavige?
34 months ago: Frederick, Anonympous, you can call any of the people mentioned - Dr Ryggestahl, Supt. Hurley, Ms Archer, Ms Elfman - whomever, and ask them about the SP Times articles and ask them why they chose to appear in the special edition of Freedom and support Mr Miscavige. You don't need to take my word for it.
34 months ago: AnonymousVoice, aren't several of the people on your so-called list of 500 dead? I guess that would make them ex-Scientologists in your view. Why stop at 500? Why don't you count all the 80 million or so people who ever bought DMSMH?
34 months ago: Sooo defensive aren't we Jack?

Guess that "wonderful" Freedom Mag can't quite stand on it's own, good thing you're here to feebly prop it up before it collapses under its own weight of BS.

In case you didn't get it, or in the more likely chance you try to twist my words around... The simple fact that this obvious manipulation of facts done by Freedom Mag to try and cover up the obvious bad press against DM without any decent references, nor any outside news source (outside of Scientology) being able to confirm any of this should show that Scientology higherups are scared and desperate.

Obviously between the lack of evidence or careful wording by Freedom Mag (note they never say the new buildings are "occupied after construction") shows they're putting whatever they possibly can to hide the truth that has been pouring out all over the net and news lately.

Scientology is running scared whether you will admit it or not and its only a matter of time before they start to admit their shortcomings... You may or may not admit it but you know what,

We don't care if you do.
34 months ago: Ok, that's just about enough.

All these "critical" responses to my item are meaningless if you haven't spoken or written to any one of Dr Iva Ryggestahl, Dr Adly Abu Hajar, Dr Gunnar Bramstang, Dr Bertil Perrson, Chief Superintendant Mr Kevin Hurley, Mr Meade Emory, Ms Monique Yingling, Ms Anne Archer, Ms Jenna Elfman, Mr Mark Listug, Mr Kurt Isham, Mr Dan Maddox, and asked them where they stand in relation to these allegations and why they have given their to support Mr Miscavige against the SP Times.

Simple - (Ring Ring) or (email email) "Hello, Sir/Madam. You have chosen to appear in the special issue of Freedom Magazine published in support of Mr Miscavige's achievements and in defense of the accusations against him by a dozen or so psychopaths and traitors. What do you know of these allegations, and why have you chosen to support Mr Miscavige in respect of them? Thank you. Goodbye."

Until you have, you can stop pestering me.
34 months ago: Its okay Jack, you can go ahead and cry yourself to sleep knowing no one here respects your "opinion". You're just a sock puppet for the Mag right now anyway.
34 months ago: All talk and no action: Anonymous.
34 months ago: Again, no outside evidence Jack. All we get is the already biased magazine you put out and some sources already shown to be either scientologists or just out there for publicity and have already forgotten the very speeches you're so quick to rely on since you have nothing else.

Get me an outside unbiased source who may actually remember what you're talking about instead of a PR stunt.

You're merely playing a desperate ploy to end your already lost argument. You're passing the buck onto someone else since you're either too stupid to do it yourself and back up you're own argument or you already know you're wrong.

Prove me wrong. I already have the evidence on my side. I can point you to a simple direction. Type in "Scientology" in a search and look at any site not run by Scientology itself.

You guys are the only ones who can say anything good about yourselves... everyone else just thinks you're a bunch of lunatics.

Again, prove me wrong. Don't be a coward and try to make someone else defend you for you. That simple search already should provide you with enough evidence to keep you busy for the next year or two.
34 months ago: btw... just to point it out again in case you missed it. A good number of your "sources" are Scientologists and are obviously biased/uninformed/lying.

Get me a creditable source. Not a list of Scientologists.
34 months ago: Have you called or emailed any one of them and got their opinion? No? You think a Muslim is a Scientologist?

In this rant Scientology 1: Anonymous 0.

Game. Set. Match.
34 months ago: Hahaha, pretend to get any wins you want. I'm sure DM will reference this very rant next time he gets exposed.

You're just coming off as sad now... Read my whole post next time. Again, I want unbaised sources who are actual references, not just some shmuck who may have only heard breifly about them.

I want something more substantial than some random guy's opinion. Opinions are a dime a dozen. Get some EVIDENCE for a change. Something with some credibility. Something you can't refute as someone's opinion.

"Opinions are like ****s. Everyone's got one."
34 months ago: Jenna Elfman has also claimed that Aids is a mental Disease... so, she is a trusted source :DDD You are funny! also, they are all current Scientologists, and BECAUSE of that, are not credible witnesses as they are pressured by the church to say those things or face Retribution and Punishment. Sorry.
34 months ago: Guise, obvious troll is obvious. I like to poke back because its fun, but let me point out the super obvious point being made.

CONTACT THE PEOPLE IDENTIFIED IN THE ARTICLE. Enturb started working to I.D. the listed folks, and I'd bet dollars to donuts that not a single one knows they're being used in the article in Freedom. Wouldn't it be extra lulzy to have Police Chief Hurley make a public statement that he's been misquoted and taken out of context by Freedom magazine?

GTFO of this rant, and work the magic of emailing and contacting the listed folks. I'd do it, but I've got a full time, 7 day a week job. So you all need to do it. Also, most of you need to brush up on your argumentative skills.
34 months ago: AnonymousVoice, of course they all know, and are honored to be associated with Mr Miscavige and his achievements. Just like Mr Tom Cruise, Mr John Travolta and all other Scientologists. You can bet that all of them were fully aware of the scurrilous claims when they put their names to Freedom and continue to wish to promote Mr Miscavige's acheivements and be associated with him. They have a public voice and won't be hiding when they are needed, I assure you.
34 months ago: That's fine and dandy for them and all but like I said before I'm (and many others) are waiting for evidence. I don't care what Anne Archer, mother of Tommy Davis, thinks. She's obviously biased.

Get me something from outside the box. Something that can stand on its own as fact.

Unless you can't, Jack.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
34 months ago: Jack: "All these "critical" responses to my item are meaningless if you haven't spoken or written to any one of Dr Iva Ryggestahl, Dr Adly Abu Hajar, Dr Gunnar Bramstang, Dr Bertil Perrson, Chief Superintendant Mr Kevin Hurley, Mr Meade Emory, Ms Monique Yingling, Ms Anne Archer, Ms Jenna Elfman, Mr Mark Listug, Mr Kurt Isham, Mr Dan Maddox, and asked them where they stand in relation to these allegations and why they have given their to support Mr Miscavige against the SP Times.

Simple - (Ring Ring) or (email email)"

Good point Jack, I'll see what I can do over the next few days.
34 months ago: The element I find most enlightening, in regard to the St. Petersburg Times and its characterization of Scientology's leader, is the amount of truth involved.

For some years, critics congregated on alt.net.scientology, and yahoo news groups, and similar internet sites. The emotional tone conveyed was sharply critical. The emotional tone expressed ranged (my estimation) from 1.1 (covert hostility) to 2.0 (antagonism). However, a good deal of the chatter appeared to be misunderstanding. Outright Church quotes were sometimes used to make a misunderstood point about how awful it all was. Snipped out of context and misunderstood, it was at least possible to see the critic was talking about what he knew, as he understood it.

More recently, outright lies have become common. In recent Rantrave articles, for example, critics repeatedly say things about declining membership and empty churches and similar. Those situations are simply untrue.

Critics refer to one (or two or three) example out of 1000s where donated Church books to public libraries were refused. From 1/10,000 of the total, critics becomes convinced that every library, everywhere, has refused the Church's donated books. And this is simply untrue.

This latest lie, about the character of the Church's leader, lies in this same furrow. Outright lies are endlessly repeated on critical sites in inflammatory ways. And then that false information is overgeneralized by critics who refuse to understand the obvious truth.

From misunderstanding, intolerant critics take a step into outright lies. This of course places such critics more precisely on the Emotional Tone Scale.

xenubarb
xenubarb
San Diego, CA
34 months ago: I wonder how you'll respond when video footage is released?
How will you 'not-is' it when the Tiny Tyrant is seen beating subordinates?
34 months ago: And we all might get free cigarettes and lemonade from the big rock candy mountain in barb's imaginary world.
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
34 months ago: Jack, is there anything that could change your opinion of the leader of Scientology?

Personally, I think the evidence against Miscavige is quite compelling but still a side issue as to the very workability of the cult. If I saw one OT phenomenon, or met one clear as described in Dianetics, I would view Miscavige's alleged actions as a strange anomoly.

As it is I consider Hubbard to be a charlatan and a fraud artist and Miscavige as the inheritor of his con.

Really, Jack, are you much better off saying that the high ranking officers of Scientology were corrupt and that Miscavige is not? Surely in an organization that is supposed to make the sane more sane, watching this sort of internacine warfare must be at the very least disconcerting. To me, it is simply an amusement.

An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
33 months ago: At the alarming rate Scientology is shrinking, is it fair to even call Scientology a religion anymore?

http://www.isene.com/artweb.cgi?geir

http://www.isene.com/files/Geir_Isen...2009-08-07.pdf
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
33 months ago: I have to say I have had some trouble contacting the people listed; annoyingly some can only be contacted by mail it would seem.

So far no one has responded to my entreaties for comment on this matter either way. Not much you can read in to this I suppose but no one so far is going out of their way and speak up on David Miscavige's behalf.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
33 months ago: Terryeo: "For some years, critics congregated on alt.net.scientology, and yahoo news groups, and similar internet sites. The emotional tone conveyed was sharply critical. The emotional tone expressed ranged (my estimation) from 1.1 (covert hostility) to 2.0 (antagonism). However, a good deal of the chatter appeared to be misunderstanding."

Terryeo, I could say you're looking at the past wearing rose tinted spectacles! The debates / comments etc in alt.religion.scientology and related group were no different then than they are today. (These are the pre-Miscavige days incidentally - grant you his leadership has served to add more issues to criticise because he is quite abusive.).

Most likely though the change is in your perception of the critics and what they say. In your idealistic youth you saw only misunderstanding of the great work you and your organisation were doing. Now however you see "outright lies". This is simply denial.
xenubarb
xenubarb
San Diego, CA
33 months ago: Terryeo: "For some years, critics congregated on alt.net.scientology, and yahoo news groups, and similar internet sites. The emotional tone conveyed was sharply critical. The emotional tone expressed ranged (my estimation) from 1.1 (covert hostility) to 2.0 (antagonism). However, a good deal of the chatter appeared to be misunderstanding."

I was on ARS back then. I am sure that the "misunderstanding" had nothing to do with the "Church" of Scientology flooding our newsgroup in several attempts to disrupt, distract, and destroy conversations.

Scientology uploaded millions of posts: for a while we were treated to wildly racist and other offensive crap posted by the cult.

Then came the recipe flood; intended to drown out communication.

The cult also managed to inspire a new term, "sporge." Sporge was garbage posted by cult ops in the name of various critics.

Even today, ARS is the target of a little circle jerk of Scilons posting reams of outdated and undated anti-psych "news."

"A good deal of the chatter" is not misunderstood. We know perfectly well what you people are trying to do there. You are trying to disrupt conversations about your cult, but it hasn't succeeded in the past and it won't succeed now. That's why there's an 'ignore' function. I don't even see them any more.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
33 months ago: Terryeo: with respect to the rest of your last post in this thread.

Membership of your organisation is declining. You have many buildings and have to move people around a lot to make them look busy. Staff are wearing multiple hats etc.

Alas for you, what is true for you isn't true in this case, it is as it is and denying it and quoting figures related to books published and buildings bought won't make it any different.
33 months ago: Dear DeanFox,
You said "You have many buildings and have to move people around a lot to make them look busy."

Let me understand ... Have you seen some planes full of scientologist move from New York to DC to make DC "look busy".

Why don't you take some rest!

xenubarb
xenubarb
San Diego, CA
33 months ago: Well, FrankG, it's like this.

Anonymous is a global internet collective. Some of us are ex-members who know people or anons who either know their local staff or recognize faces from other raid reports.

So we put these pix up and they get viewed worldwide.
And somebody might identify someone from, say, Hollywood at a Grand Opening in Nashville.

We don't need to see planes full of Scientologists to recognise the ones who appear at Big Events. We has teh internets. Works for us, and helps people!
33 months ago: Dean Fox, good work for trying to get the facts, rather than simply rely on the distorted propaganda of the Kingpin and the Con Man.

But while you might characterize the unwillingness of the people presented in Freedom Magazine as supporters of Mr Miscavige and Scientology to respond as "not going out of their way and speak up on David Miscavige's behalf." an equally plausible explanation is that they might be an unwilling to ride on the coat-tails of the success of Mr Miscavige and Scientology for their own personal gain. That's a story in itself.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
33 months ago: FrankG. Thank you for your concern, as Xenubarb says I don't work alone on this. Lots of eyes are on this one.

Jack H Remington. I said you couldn't read much in to it. Your explanation as to why no one is rushing to support David Miscavige when presented with the opportunity is almost as valid as any other.

I say almost because it makes less sense than they would rather just stay out of it. These people were more than willing to support the organisation calling itself the church of scientology when presented with the opportunity. Chief Superintendent Mr Kevin Hurley certainly was, he was a speaker at the opening of your organisation's London Ideal Org. He got in to a spot of bother over it though; timing wasn't perfect as there was also a scandal over Met police taking gifts from your organisation. This likely explains why he hasn't returned my call.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
33 months ago: As to the success of Mr Miscavige, well no one can deny his current position of power and wealth. Talk about being in the right place at the right time and doing the right thing. For some reason though he seems to be doing his damnedest to FUBAR; actually to be fair to Miscavige he simply lacks the skills in the current climate.

His bully boy tactics and charisma got him where he is because he really was in the right place at the right time. If he hadn't been he'd be just another frustrated guy with aspirations way beyond his abilities. Even those closest to him, those who proclaim devotion to him really do this because they fear and despise him. The fear however is gradually waning.

Take Rathbun for instance, we spoke to him the other day - told us he was in a swamp full of alligators (I'm not sure if he was being metaphorical or not) - have to say he's an arrogant ****, a product of Miscavige's regieme. He worked closely with Miscavige for quite some time while secretly loathing him.

Rathbun is no fan of Anonymous BTW, he believes vemently in your organisation's ideology and sees the only problem with it being "management", which is personified in David Miscavige.
Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
33 months ago: I am always a little bit put-off when someone comes up with a grand claim and then demand that others do their fact-checking for them.

example:

I may claim that I climbed Mount Everest and left a flag on top. I have not photographed this flag, nor allowed others to do so. You must either accept my story as fact, or go through effort to verify it yourself.

This, of course, is preferable to me if I have not actually done what I claimed, as it is less likely that individuals will do one's verification for them.

This is similar to claims such as this, where a list of names is given, and the reader is ordered (there is no other word for such a direct command) to verify it themselves, with the implication that if they have not done so, they are somehow "wrong" for speaking against the thesis.

So I may say this:

I chartered an airplane and spoke to each one of them, who not only denied their support, but also expressed great dissapointment in the FM article.

If you don't believe me, call them and ask.
33 months ago: As a scientologist I see that a lot of work has been done by management to get more and more newbooks and lectures from Ron Hubbard availlable in many (50) different languages.
Scientologists became scienologists beacause they used and liked the data they found in books and lectures from LRH.
I thnak the Scientology manageement for the woks it's doing.
Mark Tomles
Mark Tomles
FPO, AE
33 months ago: Yes, but Frank, the number of translations is a poor indicator of worth, as it is able to be financed by the originator! For example, the Jude-Christian Bible (in its entirety) has been translated into 392 different languages, and 2,287 languages if you count portions and sections.

Does this fact alone make the Bible of more worth than Hubbard's books?

33 months ago: "I thnak the Scientology manageement for the woks it's doing."

^^^Pruuf the tek workss.
Louanne
Louanne
Los Angeles, CA
33 months ago: Troll

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