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South African President's Three Wives

Posted 25 months ago|16 comments|1,026 views
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Rudi Stettner
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South African President Jacob Zuma has just gotten married to his third wife. No I do not mean only that he has been divorced twice. Along with the two ex wives that he divorced, he is currently married to three women at once. The Guardian reports as follows on President Zuma's interesting lifesyle.


"Jacob Zuma, the polygamous president of South Africa, is to gain his third first lady in a traditional Zulu wedding on Monday.

Zuma, 67, will marry Tobeka Madiba in a private family ceremony at his homestead in rural KwaZulu-Natal province, the president's office confirmed. Madiba, 36, will be Zuma's third current wife and his fifth marriage overall. He is also reported to be engaged to another woman.

The Zulu tribe, the biggest ethnic group in South Africa, practises polygamy by tradition. Zuma once told an interviewer: "There are plenty of politicians who have mistresses and children that they hide so as to pretend they're monogamous. I prefer to be open. I love my wives and I'm proud of my children."

The Zulu tribe to which President Zuma belongs openly practices polygamy as a part of its tradition. It is rumoured that some Western European countries consider a mistress a prerequisite for holding high office. Then there is cereal monogomy. That's when a guy eats breakfast with his girlfriend and dinner with his wife.

On a more serious note, even if one rejects the religious arguments for monogomy, there are amoral pragmatic reasons for supporting monogamy. If wealthy men take extra wives because they are able to, this creates the potential for the creation of a celibate underclass of men who are too poor to get married. This makes an entire class of young men who are likely to be recruited to radical political movements or criminal enterprises in hope of accumulating enough wealth to become marriage material. It also creates a shortage of women for marriage which can be further aggravated by prostitution. The likelihood of the celibate underclass of men turning to prostitutes and other high risk activities as a source of respite from their celibate state is a distinct possibility.

Monogamy has the potential of being socially progressive. Not only does it increase the likelihood of almost all who wish to get married being able to do so, it also forms the basis of some sort of equality between men and women.

The Jacob Zuma story is at first glance an interesting human interest story. But further examination shows that there are social repercussions to the individual choices we make. China and India, for instance have legalised abortion as a part of their strict family planning programs. Now both countries have a serious gender imbalance, in which there are far fewer females than there would normally be. Zuma is certainly entitled to follow the traditions of the Zulu nation. But everything we do has repercussions that extend beyond the four walls of our homes. It's something to think about. Do I want a school bus for my wives and kids? No thanks. Soon, President Zuma will have four mothers in law. Now that is a built in deterrent.

Reprinted with permission from Rudistettner.com
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markbyrn
markbyrn
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25 months ago: Rudi,

Let's not pretend that the laws against polygamy are anything more than religious prescriptions of morality. Your 'amoral' argument against polygamy errs because you're referring only to polygyny (one man having more than one wife) and neglecting to mention polyandry (one woman having more than one husband).

In a society where marriage was not regulated by the state, both would be legal and would therefore cancel each other out. Of course even in nations where polygyny is legal (typically Muslim states), polyandry is illegal as well as gay unions.

So even where polygamy is legal, religion still manages to rear it's ugly head and impose irrational inequality, thus lending credence to your supposedly pragmatic rationale.
25 months ago: Considering that a man taking more than one wife has been the norm in many cultures for thousands of years, and possibly the opposite as well, one woman and many husbands. I agree with mark and many others that the limitations are imposed purely for religious reasons and have no basis in society that can not be traced back to those same religious limitations. A self serving conundrum.
25 months ago: Yes it appears polyandry was extremely widespread in its practice until only recently...
The uh...and uh, also the umm... ah, practiced it with great frequency.
25 months ago: Maybe Tiger Woods needs to move to South Africa.

Then again maybe not.

He might get mistaken for being a black man.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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25 months ago: Welcome back Gregoire or are you a new Gregoire? :)

uh...and uh, also the umm Tibet and Nepal for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyandry_in_Tibet

But as I mentioned in the previous comment, polygyny far is more prevalent today because of religious prescriptions in Islamic states that make polygyny legal and polyandry illegal.

I'm sure you're not naive and realize that women can and do commit adultery, have multiple partners for play (and pay), and if polyandry was legal and gender neutral, there would be women availing themselves of the opportunity.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: A friend of mine used to say, as a man grows older, he is able to satisfy women less.

As a woman grows older, many more men are needed to satisfy her needs.

So if society did not impose some controls, women will have more fun.

And only because of money, could an old fart of a guy, get any woman at all.

Life tends to balance its self out, one way or another. Except when you tamper with it.

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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: ...As a woman grows older, many more men are needed to satisfy her needs. So if society did not impose some controls, women will have more fun...

That's an amazing insight and we certainly must not allow women to have more fun - ROFL
25 months ago: Society. Is that another name for religious oppression?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: TRH, your views on sexuality seem right in line with LRH and Scientology - see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQRSlG7erb0

Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
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25 months ago: There are plenty of arguments against polyandry as well as polygamy. Bonding between parent and child is better when they are consanguinous. If you look at a lot of the child abuse cases, it involves a step parent who is not consanguinous with the child. Homosexual relationships involve the risk of AIDS and a multitude of other STDs.There is plenty of partner abuse in such relationships. By no means do they stand in idyllic contrast to heterosexual relationships.

I am against legalising polygamy for nakedly political reasons. If Muslim immigrants are allowed to have multiple wives, they will quickly become a large bloc in the US and change the political landscape.

This generation is experimenting with new social arrangements, alternative lifestyles etc. I have seen these relationships blow up. Social experiments involve human beings. I favour a return to the days when adultery was a crime. Society pays when people play. Individual choices have societal repercussions.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: markbyrn

"TRH, your views on sexuality seem right in line with LRH and Scientology - see:"

Don't need or want a youtube account for now. So, I don't know what you mean.

But you need to add in your mind, this other statement to know what I mean.

"Life tends to balance its self out, one way or another. Except when you tamper with it."

People will be people, when they can do as they please.

Our problems are problems when Society, tampers with human nature.

Control is needed if it harms the community or other people.

But too much control can also harm the community or other people.

Life will balance its self, one way or another.

But when politicians decide for you, things will always go wrong.

You need to know people and what they will do, as well as I do, to tell me that I believe as LRH does.

So, because you presumed to think that my views are Scientology's view. Then you are dead wrong.

Because LRH hated women. And if you accuse me of hating woman, brother you have a problem, and can't read concepts in a writing.

You are very limited in your thinking ability.

I hope this helps you understand men and women, and their wants and desires, when they are free to do as they please.

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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: There is an inherent need in males of many species to spread their seed. In many cases it is simply a matter of might makes right. Genghis Khan went around raping every female he could find and killing the men so today there are 19 million people (1 out of every 12 in Asia)that carry his genes.
Like Tiger, if men can get away with it they will mate with anyone of the opposite sex they can.
Charismatic Mormon and Christian sect leaders have harems and send the boys and potential rivals off to work if they can get away with it.
As Rudi said it is in the best interest of the community for men to make a contract with the women he impregnates, to care for that woman and the offspring. That is why most laws against polygamy laws come about. That is how civilization works. Laws are made to protect and benefit the society.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: Laws against laws? You know what I meant.
dramaticsoul
dramaticsoul
Pittsburgh, PA
25 months ago: Rudi - I read once the chinese symbol for trouble is two women under one roof. That being said outlawing polygamy to prevent Moslems from having many children seems naïve and wrong. They may not be legally married but they can have children either way. Having children is a blessing and their right. We may not agree with the beliefs these children are raised with. We may fear that they will take over our two kids and a dog nation. The problem is not them having too many kids. Its other people not having enough.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Rudi

...I am against legalising polygamy for nakedly political reasons. If Muslim immigrants are allowed to have multiple wives, they will quickly become a large bloc in the US...

Ahhh, why didn't you say so in the first place - forget the amoral pragmatic reasons. But if polygamy were legalized, between the Mormons re-sanctioning it's practice and the continued Roman Catholic Church ban on birth control, the Muslim population growth would be canceled out.

Seriously though, I don't see any mass support for legalization of polygamy on the distant horizon although we certainly don't have any shortage of "Love childs" running around. My concern is one of economics - you make baby, you pay for baby.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: dramaticsoul: Is this statement yours?

"The problem is not them having too many kids. Its other people not having enough."

The truth with these kinds of statements, no matter who made it or believes in it.

Is this: What you call minorities here are actually the MAJORITY of the world.

It is or would be too late to try to stop Muslims from having more kids.

They outnumber you already, and so do everyone else.

The best thing to do is be nice to each other, because life is too short to worry about what has happened already or what will happen for sure.

I don't care if my neighbor has 20 kids or 1, as long as he respects my rights, I will respect his.

LIVE AND LET LIVE AND HAVE FUN!!!

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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