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Solutions, Rhetoric, or Revolution?

Posted 19 months ago|7 comments|470 views
Tear Down The Country or Fix It?
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
The nation is beset with numerous important problems today. What are we doing about them?

There seems to be only three choices available today. The Democrats are trying to solve many problems and there are disputes about whether they are going too far, or not far enough, but at least they are trying.

The Republicans have solidified their position as the Party of No. They believe that anything the Democrats do is wrong, and that getting nothing done would be better than allowing the Democrats a victory, no matter how great the need or just the cause. They are obstructing everything by employing procedural hurtles and by abusing the filibuster on every Democratic bill, thereby requiring a supermajority to get anything done.

By resisting all change, the Republicans are in effect saying that they want to return to the state of affairs before the Democrats got in. They are happy with the policies that doubled the debt, got us in two wars, caused the world wide economic failure, caused the Massey Coal mining disaster and the current Gulf Oil disaster. We know what the Republican America of the future would look like. We barely survived it last time.

The Tea Party is not an actual party yet, but it has a following and has moved the Republicans to the far right. They seem to have thrown up their arms crying that the situation is hopeless and cannot be fixed. Some of them advocate a Tea Party Revolution to start over. Some of them advocate "Second Amendment Remedies" Code words for armed insurrection.

If their revolution succeeds what do they hope to gain? What would the Tea Party America of the future look like?

I hope I am wrong and that the Republicans and their radical Tea Party Wing realizes that people won't vote based on nothing but negativity, they have to at least pretend to care about their country. They cant just run as the Un-Democrats, they have to come up with a few ideas of their own.

Before we discuss the solutions to the nation's problems we should first figure out what the most pressing problems are. Different problems mean different things to different people.

If asked what the most serious problems facing the country today are, every person would probably come up with a different list. The importance of the problems are relative to who is influenced the most.

If people are endangered, the threat would be the most important. If they are discriminated against, oppressed, suffering, or treated unfairly, the cause of that inequity would be the most important. If people are starving, sick, or in need, the cause of that need would be most important. If people are suffering from pollution, than that is a real concern.

People are angry today. Most of those angry people fear change, but when asked to name the beast they fear so, those nebulous fears disappear in a cloud of meaningless catch phrases. How can they face their fears, if they have no idea what the underlying basis is for their fear?

We want our country back! We fear the Socialists! We want our rights back! Nebulous fears, but what are the concrete steps needed to restore your sense of rightness?

When I hear the right claim that they want their country back, I have to ask who took it? Those on the right will say that the socialists are destroying the country and the Constitution, but when asked for specific examples, I don't see outrageous injustices but good things that will help people. What I see is that the corporations are the ones that have taken our country away because of the immense power of their money, which drowns out the voices of the people. The radical right wing activists on the supreme court are the ones that took our country away. The right wing complains about loosing their country, their freedom, and their rights, yet the right wingers in the Bush Administration did more to destroy the Constitution and our rights than any other administration.

There should be some common ground. We can all agree that the oil disaster and the coal disasters are terrible, yet we disagree on causes and solutions. Sometimes we can't even agree that there is a problem. Most on the right refuse to even believe that Global Warming is human caused although 95% of climatologists believe that this is true and most believe it is an undeniable fact.

How can we agree on anything when one side refuses to accept scientific facts? Some of our problems may seem insurmountable because of our radically different world views.

Are there some concrete problems that we can all agree need to be fixed?

For my ideas look at an old post: http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/What-are-th...

But then things have changed since then. In future posts I will explore solutions to our problems.

What do you think are the most important problems facing the nation and the world today? Which should we tackle first?
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
19 months ago: How can a communist such as you make these claims?

The people know that commies want more government, more taxes, less rights, less freedoms and less self-protection rights.

You commies hate family values, hate that we want GOD in our schools and lives.

You Un-Constitutionalists or Liberals or communists want everything that a sane man fears.

You are in fact the minority in this Nation, but you are the biggest threat and problem that we have.

We want the Constitution to be respected and followed by the Courts and Corporate governments that rule us.

You want a ONE WORLD ORDER, and we want Sovereignty and NOT slavery.

Yes, we will never see eye to eye, because you are traitors to the Constitution and will always oppose the American people, who now want our Republics back.

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own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth
of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. -
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19 months ago: Al.

You're not quite there. Let me fill in.

There are 4 choices.

4. Kick the socialists (including bureaucrats) OUT OF DC. Period.

We conservatives understand (not believe) that everthing THESE Demwhits and (some) Repubes alike is wrong.

There is NOTHING WRONG with DC getting nothing wrong (other than defense) WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES.

Shut up about the filibuster and other procedures. You look like a clown on this one.

We Conservatives want to rely on trusted and tried true Constitutional institutions. PERIOD.

You left out "claused car fart generated global warming."

We Tea baggers will move your commrades out of the Repube Party and send them your way.

Granted, it would not bother conservatives to have some socialists all of a sudden start stepping on rakes, but otherwise, there will be no armed insurrection.

The MOST pressing problem is Hussein Obama. That's easy.

My childrens' freedom and liberty and entire standard of living are standing are "endangered". You do not understand THAT is what is pissing us tea baggers off the most.

You have no idea how angry people are.

"Nebulous fears", "meaningless catch phrases"???? Let me spell it out Al. Obama and you socialist hoards are trying to destroy our society. Is that simple enough? Don't lie Al.

"Concrete Steps"? November, 2010, November, 2012, November 2014, November 2016, November 2018, November 2020, etc....... (You get the picture?)

Who took our country? It started with FDR.

"Common ground" my @$$. "Common ground" means us acting like you're right. Give Me A Break.


(I though cow farts caused global warming. You're looking like a clown again.)

Now, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT when you say "How can we agree on anything when one side refuses to accept scientific facts?" Uh, that's you Al. IT'S ALL A HOAX AL. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GLOBAL WARMING..ER...UH...GLOBAL COOLING....UH ER..... CLIMATE CHANGE.

Simple solution. Kick Obama and you socialist hoards out of DC and out of the judiciary.

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: Timothy McVeigh saw an injustice, saw a government that he perceived as evil, and blew up a government building.

But hey, at least he did something. That's the Democrat mantra, right? At least we are doing something.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: So if I cut through the trash talk and the Blather it sounds like Ron' list would look like this:
1. Reducing the size of Government
2. Tax reform
3. Protection of rights and freedoms
4. Gun rights
5. less interference with families
6. religion in schools

Red is simply wanting the right wing to win in elections and is concerned about,
7. The National Debt

OOTB is apparently concerned with
8. Efficiency in government.

Did I miss anything?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: 8) Can't speak for the rest, but my comment was simply an example of how some think the only way to fix something is to break it beyond repair first. McVeigh and the Democrats/progressives/socialists/communists have that in common.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: OOTB I know that is the perception on the right, that government was working just fine before the Democrats got in and they are trying to change everything. In fact they are trying to fix the problems while working within the existing system. There is nothing they have done yet that is in any way radical or even socialist.

We on the left are very dissapointed in Obama and the congress because in most cases the government and the country would have been much better off if we wiped out most of the government programs and started from a fresh slate.

On Health Care instead of working with the existing insurance system that costs twice as much as any of the other nations in the world, it would have been better to eliminate the insurance companies and switch to a Single payment system.

On the Economic Stimulus, instead of giving out using one third of the stimulus to give out tax cuts to generate jobs, The government could have hired the unemployed directly and set them to work at minimum pay restoring our broken infrastructure or replanting the billions of trees dieing because of global warming. The cost per job generated would have been about one hundreth of what we spent with the tax cuts.

On the energy front if the government would just cut all of the corporate welfare to the major fossil fuel industries and instated a carbon tax so the use of the product would reflect the true environmental, health and social costs, then renewable energy would have taken over a while ago.

On every front Obama has refused to change the existing unworkable systems and has attempted to compromise and use bipartisan solutions.

That is why he has such poor ratings right now. The majority of people in the country would prefer real change instead of incremental change. He isn't doing enough fast enough.

Still the extreme right wing minority who would prefer to return to the Bush policies resist any change.

That is when you know you are doing something right, when you piss off the right and the left and do what is best for the majority and what is best for the country.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: The majority of the country does not agree with the socialist agenda, or the communist manifesto. The reason for Obama's low approval rating is that the majority of people realize that he is not the man for the job.

I have to agree that most of the entitlement programs should be wiped clean and started from scratch, along with a lot of government vendors' accounts. Add to that the firing of 99.9% of the bureaucrats.

Health care has been beaten to death, but the plan was never to get healthcare under control, anyway. The plan was to get the population under control, and now look who is profiting even more. Your man in the white house can't even direct pollicy here at home, and dares to suggest that he can influence policy abroad. And the Dems, who preach that talking is the answer to all problems blame the Republicans for not buying their bill of goods.

Nobody wants to work for the government for minimum wage.

Carbon tax, never will happen, so never mind.
You really have it bad, and you are very persistent, your talking points having been shot down over and over. But, you're one of the main reasons I stay here.

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