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Solutions Pt. 3 Immigration Reform.

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81% of Americans Favor Comp. Imm. Reform
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
Now that Judge Bolton has found that the main parts of the Arizona law are unconstitutional, the eighteen or so states which were going to have similar laws have relented. The majority of the American people want this problem solved. Perhaps it is time for all of the Republicans, who have been yelling about the illegals taking over the country, to do something about it.

A CNN survey of 1,018 adults conducted in July of 2010 found that 81% of respondents favored "creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay here and apply to legally remain in this country permanently if they had a job and paid back taxes." This percentage was far higher than the 55% or respondents who said they favored the recently-passed "law concerning illegal immigrants" in Arizona. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images...

Thus far there has not been a single Republican willing to do something about immigration reform despite nearly 24/7 harangues. Why is that?

All of those on the right have boxed themselves in with their extremist rhetoric. To them any reform will be considered amnesty. Once again the Party of No can do nothing but oppose the will of the people. Still there are a few rational voices on the right that see that the long term good of the party and the nation requires comprehensive immigration reform. http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...

Despite this, to most on the right, the only acceptable solution would be to arrest the 12 million who should not be here, throw them in jail, and then send them back to where they came from.

There are a few problems with this plan. First there is the cost. Julie L. Myers, chief of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement estimated the cost of rounding up and deporting illegal immigrants to be $ 94 billion. http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09...

Then there are the children. About three fourths of the children of illegal immigrants (about 4 million) are legal United States citizens. It is immoral to split up families, and it is illegal to forcibly deport American citizens. If you deport the parents or split up the family then many of these children would have social problems and could end up in the prison system. http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/14/citizen...

Finally we need these people and our economy would collapse without them. Most of our crops are harvested by illegal immigrants. It is hard back breaking work that few American citizens have any appetite for. If they had a path to citizenship they could move out of poverty, pay more taxes, purchase more goods and boost the economy. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pa...

In the long term immigrants may be the salvation of the nation. Our birth rate has been decreasing and there are few young people to pay into social security, or Medicare. As our nation grows older more and more people will be using these entitlements and with fewer people to pay in, the system may collapse. Immigrants could make up the difference if we provided a pathway to citizenship.

Why is there such hysteria at this time? They say that Obama is not doing his job, but Obama has increased enforcement since he has been in office with an emphasis on law breakers. In some ways Obama is far stricter than even Arizona: http://www.newser.com/story/96535/feds-p...

The right claims that the illegals are taking away American jobs, "but Illegal immigrants seem to have very little impact on unemployment rates. Undocumented workers certainly do take jobs that would otherwise go to legal workers. But undocumented workers also create demand that leads to new jobs. They buy food and cars and cell phones, they get haircuts and go to restaurants. On average, there is close to no net impact on the unemployment rate. But economists generally believe that when averaged over the whole economy, the effect is a small net positive." Overall illegal immigrants are five times less likely to commit crimes. They are hard working, mostly Christian, and in many ways would make ideal citizens. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...

There was not always such a lock step resistance to anything the Democrats propose. Just a couple of years ago John McCain had authored some pretty decent comprehensive immigration reform legislation, but then he was challenged for his senate seat by a radical on the right so he had to flip flop so he would appear tougher. What did John McCain's Immigration plan look like before he started pandering to the extreme right wing? http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/John_Mc...

There is hope for a half way measure, a Down Payment, if you will. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20100730/pl_c...

What is becoming clear is that most people want comprehensive immigration reform and thus far the Republicans have been kicking and screaming and holding their breath till their faces turn blue, but they are unwilling to act like adults and get down to the hard work of actually doing something.


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THE RONBOT HUNTER
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18 months ago: What commie liberals want anymore means nothing.

That day is long past.

No need to try to change their minds.

Just spot them, report them and jail them, when they commit the crime of breaking the common law.

The sovereigns of the world have taken back our organic Constitution and restored the constitutional Republics.

The world has backed us, and the DAY OF THE PATRIOT IS HERE.

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18 months ago: Hogwash Al.

The Volunteer state will not relent. Watch and see!
18 months ago: They are not immigrants until they immigrate by following the law. Until then they are criminals and should have thought about that before dropping kids into a potential problem. You think they did not know they were illegal and subject to deportation when they dropped those kids? Get real. They (illegal immigrants) are playing you for dumb.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
18 months ago: As usual lots of invective from the right but absolutely no solutions!
18 months ago: For crying out loud Al

We are a country of LAWS, or we are not.

PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's IT. It is that simple Al.

Capiche?
18 months ago: Solution? You can't handle the solution. Collect all illegals along with their dual citizenship children. Take them to the border. Fingerprint and take dna samples from all. Send the illegals packing south never to return. The dual citizens may choose to stay under the rule of law or relinquish all rights and citizenship and head south.

Close the border and all that have once been deported and found again to be in violation of the law will be sent to federal prison for a term of not less than 20 years. Federal time is real time. 20 years means 20 years.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Good plan, hopefully you starve to death first when there is no food because nobody else is willing to work insane hours for 4 bucks an hour
18 months ago: ...4 bucks an hour...

How would any employer get away with paying anyone 4 bucks per hour without also breaking the law? Would that be 4 bucks per hour in cash? Would that 4 bucks per hour be reportable? would that 4 bucks per hour be subject to tax? Would that 4 bucks per hour be subject to social security and medicare tax?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
18 months ago: Part of the reason The court declared this law unconstitutional is that the immigration services have been underfunded and undermanned.

Even though Obama nearly doubled the enforcement personal, they would be overwhelmed if every cop were constantly calling them out every 5 minutes to take an illegal off the police hands as the Arizona law required.

The reason the INS is underfunded is because the Republicans are not willing to pay for the services that they demand.

If the right wants more enforcement at the border they need to pass a comprehensive law that will effect all states and back that law up with more funding.

Instead the right would prefer to have temper tantrums instead of doing something about the problem.

All of this Anti Immigrant Hysteria is nothing but pure political propaganda from the far right. Obama is doing much more than Bush did to close the borders and arrest illegals.
18 months ago: Don't think so is they would just get off their butts and start collecting and deporting instead of turning a blind eye. Once the word gets out and they actually make a hard close of the border the local illegals could be granted simple deportation for turning themselves into authorities.
18 months ago: No Al.

We are a country of laws, or we are not.

That is the ONLY issue involved here Al.

We are a country of laws, or we are not a country of laws.

DEAL WITH IT, AND stop throwing $ *** up against the wall to see if anything sticks.

Al, I cannot afford another key board man.

FIGURE IT OUT!
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Exactly...and the laws of this country are defined in the Constitution. The Constitution clearly states that any person within the jurisdiction of the United States shall not be denied life, liberty or the pursuit of property without due process. I know this puts a kink in your plan to become a hateful racist country but that just tough **** for you. So either you follow the Constitution or you can continue your treasonous rant.
18 months ago: so, the definition is now going to be "what is due process"?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Generally speaking in the United States, over time through precedence set by Federal and Supreme court rulings along with the what is found in the Constitution, due process includes (but is not limited to):

* Right to a fair and public trial conducted in a competent manner
* Right to be present at the trial
* Right to an impartial jury
* Right to be heard in one's own defense
* Laws must be written so that a reasonable person can understand what is criminal behavior
* Taxes may only be taken for public purposes
* Property may be taken by the government only for public purposes
* Owners of taken property must be fairly compensated
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: AND all of these apply to ALL people.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Wait a minute...RSG and TCG aren't you two supposed to be the only people in the whole world who respect and understand the Constitution? If that's true then you should have been categorically opposed to this law...

OHHHH WAIT...I remember, the Constitution only applies if it doesn't interfere with your racist and hateful views.
18 months ago: HUH?


Perfect. You're making no sense.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
18 months ago: There are laws and the Illegals certainly broke the law, but while Sheriff Arpaio is out rounding up peaceful hardworking Mexicans, the REAL violent criminals are going free. Arpaio has 40,000 warrants for other crimes sitting on his desk, and he has something like 7,000 people suing him for illegal arrests.
18 months ago: Al.

That is absurd.

The Sheriff is not rounding up peaceful, hardworking Mexicans.

For crying out loud.
18 months ago: If they were AMERICANS, there'd be no problem.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: There is no problem...if they are arrested and given due process and found guilty then they will certainly be deported
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: The people that should be rounded up and deported should be the commie liberals.

Russia needs workers in the icy north pole.

Since these communistic Liberals love big gvernment so much, let them restore Russia, as we are trying to restore America.

We might even do an exchange program with Russia.

Five God hating commie Liberals for one Russian, who believes in family values and God.

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Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: What does believing in an imaginary thing have to do with immigration? Maybe we should send all the hateful Evangelical whack-jobs to Siberia...
18 months ago: I think HITLER tried that already. Thanks for confirming your a NAZI.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: So do you also confirm that Ronbot is a NAZI?
18 months ago: Uh, Hello? Al?

...There are laws and the Illegals certainly broke the law...
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: While this may be true the Constitution (which you claim to be guided by and love dearly) clearly states that no PERSON (Notice that it does not say citizen, it says person...in fact citizenship wasn't even defined until the 14th Amendment passed and even there it clearly states that citizen or not no PERSON) shall be denied life, liberty or the pursuit of property without due process.

Illegal or not they are subject to the process of law; not a simple "toss em' out" policy.
18 months ago: and your point in promoting the illegal 14th amendment would be?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: The illegal 14th Amendment?

Well, it was passed and is part of the Constitution so to me it is as legal as can be.

If you would like to ignore it then there is without a doubt no grounds to prevent "illegal" immigrants their rights of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of property without due process.

So, unless you are choosing to ignore key parts of the Constitution that are inconvenient to your arguments then you really have no grounds to justify simply throwing out "illegal" immigrants until they are given due process of law.
18 months ago: Don't know much about what is constitutional do you?

You think an illegal amendment that was passed while under executive order and not constitutional authority is legal?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: 14th Amendment was proposed in Congress on June 13th, 1866...it was RATIFIED by 28 out of 37 states on July 8th, 1868. Perhaps you are the one who does not know much about the definition of Constitutional.

But for fun...lets pretend there is no 14th Amendment. In that case the Constitution clearly states that no PERSON shall be deprived of life, liberty or the pursuit of property without due process. Citizen or not, due process is guaranteed.

(Hint: Stop listening to Palin...she ignores the parts of the Constitution that she doesn't like, particularly this part, while claiming that the Constitution is the best roadmap to a better America...you cannot have it both ways).
18 months ago: 14th Amendment was proposed in Congress on June 13th, 1866...

Glad you know your dates. You forgot while under executive order by an illegal congress.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Illegal in what way? Because it was during reconstruction? When you lose a War...you get the short end of the stick.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: And again...that doesn't change the fact that even without the 14th "illegal" immigrants are still entitled to due process of law within the jurisdiction of the United States of America...They are in this country and such the constitutional right to due process applies to them just as much as it does you or me.
18 months ago: The day congress adjourned sine die. Don't think that ever happened? Who called the congress into "special session" and the congress has been under that executive order ever since. You want to beleive your text books. Why not open your mind and dig for the real truth. It is all public record.
18 months ago: So I didn't respond? OK. Here it goes. Nobody except Americans are considered to be constitutional. The constitution does not grant rights to other countries or their countrymen. The constitution does not envoke a global right to all people.
I does not say that while on this soil you have these rights.

Please place your finger on the article in the Constitution that states all men of the world are protected by the U.S. Constitution.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Bill of Rights...5th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America:

No PERSON shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

It's all right there...No PERSON...not Citizen...PERSON. Any PERSON within the jurisdiction of the United States of America (yes, this means Arizona and Texas too...) is entitled to the rights granted by the Constitution. Period. Ask any lawyer or judge...its all right there in plain simple English. To prove otherwise demonstrate where in the Constitution that it defines "Person" as "Citizen" without using the 14th Amendment since you say its illegal...you can also try to do so using the 14th, but will still fail because the 14th clearly states that even non-citizens are subject the laws of the Constitution if they are within the jurisdiction of the United States.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: And to preempt what you will certainly attempt to waste more time with later...this entire article is NOT about just capital crimes...just that first line is.
18 months ago: What makes you think you must preempt my thoughts? It is OK as you have that right but to put words in my mouth by involuntary inclusion to some kind of your thought is also un-constitutional.
18 months ago: Perfect.

You are a fool just like Obama.

You want the Constitution to protect everybody, like murdering, scum-bag muslims.

Ignert.
18 months ago: No.

Perfect, like Obama, is rather ignert about our republic.

And he hates America like Obama.

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Right, we get it...you are a racist...perhaps we should round up all the hatemongers like you and ship your sorry **** off to Siberia.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: I'm not the one trying to ignore the Constitution...you are. You are the true America hater
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: I don't want the Constitution to do anything...it is what it is...the governing document of my country...I believe it should be followed.
18 months ago: ...it was RATIFIED by 28 out of 37 states on July 8th, 1868...
How did Texas vote?
18 months ago: ...No PERSON shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury...

Since when was sneaking across the boarde illegally a "capital, or othewise infamous crime".

Thanks for being a......
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: LOLOLOLOLOLOL

And you jumped down my throat when I said I was going to preemptively address your moronic **** on this point. Only the first line is in regards to capital crimes. The rest is dealing with all crimes not just capital.

Thanks for being a...yourself
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Texas RATIFIED on February 18th, 1870.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

The first part about capital crimes only states that no person can be held to answer to them without indictment by Grand Jury.
18 months ago: Wrong pickafit. You included...(part of the first line)...

...or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury...

Did you not? So, you see, you don't know how to read or understand a compound sentence.
18 months ago: That is not what I asked but I'll play.What were the years of reconstuction when Texas had no congressional or U.S. representation or a vote on presidential elections? Then after that who was in control of Texas? Its citizens or a delegated power from D.C.? Yeah. Texas had a vote....
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"

Part 1 of this compound sentence outlines that no person shall be held for capital crimes unless on presentment or indictment of grand jury. LATER on in the sentence (an entirely different point of the larger point indicated by the semicolon) the Amendment clearly states that no person, for ANY CRIME shall be made to testify against himself AND that no person shall be denied life, liberty or property for "ANY crime" without due process.
18 months ago: or otherwise infamous crime,
18 months ago: Really perfect?

What are the three branches of constitutional government?

When listing them add the departments under their control.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: I will look into that and respond later.

In the meantime, why don't you address the issue that you have been dodging for the past 3 or 4 responses...the Constitution of the United States of America (which as far as I know you still claim to love and adore) clearly states that no PERSON shall be denied life, liberty or the pursuit of property without due process; yes this means all those "illegal" immigrants are entitled to the same rights that you and I are so long as they are within the borders of the United States.
18 months ago: I can't place my finger on the section or article of the Constitution that states "We the illegal People of the United States"

Please enlighten use to your vast array of constitution knowledge and foresight.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Once again...Citizenship is not a requirement to receive due process...simply being within the jurisdiction of the United States is enough. You can continue to point to random points as you wish...but again...5th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America: "no PERSON shall be denied life, liberty or the pursuit of property without due process". This is expanded upon in the 14th to explain that citizen or not anyone in the jurisdiction of the United States is subject to due process.

So what's it gonna be? Concede the fact or continue on in teabagger fashion and ignore all factual points that do not support your point of view?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: All this talk about the constitution and you forget to clarify which constitution you are talking about.

1. The organic original constitution

2. Or the corporate constitution for the corporate of the UNITED STATES?

It is a fact that we are under the UNLAWFUL FRAUDULENT UNCONSTITUTIONAL -- CORPORATE CONSTITUTION.

So all this talk will get you nowhere.

Commie Liberals only want to talk about the one in treason and you loyal Americans just let them--shame on you.

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Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: So, what you are saying is that the Bill of Rights is an act of Treason? Commie Liberals? If believing that we should uphold the Bill of Rights makes me a Commie Liberal then I will gladly and proudly accept that title (assuming that you gladly accept the title you and all people like you who think that laws such as the Arizona immigration law are justifiable deserve: Nazi)
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: That the Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." The Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land, this treasonous Act formed the private corporation known as THE UNITED STATES.

That in essence, this Act formed the private corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Please note the corporate capitalizations used by the courts and the corporate governments, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests (foreign states), moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block-capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner: "The Constitution for the united states of America".

That the altered treasonous version reads: "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document that people might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity to pay an illegal debt to the Federal Reserve and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not.

Incidentally, this private corporate constitution does not benefit the Republic or its people. It serves only to benefit the corporation. It does nothing good for the people of the USA — and it operates outside of the original Constitution. Instead of absolute rights and/or liberties guaranteed under the "organic" Constitution, we now have "relative" rights or privileges. One example of this is the Sovereign's right to travel, which has been transformed under corporate government policy into a "privilege" which we must be licensed to engage in. This operates outside of the original Constitution. So, Congress committed TREASON against the People, who were considered Sovereign under the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. There is sufficient proof that we are being ruled by a "de facto," or unlawful, form of government.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: I refer you to the UNITED STATES CODE (note the capitalization, indicating the corporation, not the Republic) Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C). It is stated unequivocally that the UNITED STATES is a private corporation. Realize, too, that the corporation is not a separate and distinct entity from the government. This is the de facto "corporate empire of the UNITED STATES," which operates under Roman Civil Law outside of the Constitution.

The government which was created for the District of Columbia via the Act of 1871 operates under Private International Law, and not Common Law, which was the law of the Constitutional Republic.

Private corporate international law is only applicable within the District of Columbia and NOT in the other states of the Union. The various arms of the corporation are known as "departments" such as the Judiciary, Justice and Treasury. These "departments" all belong to the private corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. They do NOT belong to the people of the united states of America.

Under the corporate constitution and its various amendments that operate outside of the Constitutional Republic, the people of the Republic have been enslaved without their knowledge and/or consent.

Contrary to popular belief, these private corporations and their foreign agents, they are NOT our civil servants. They do NOT work for us. They are the servants of the corporate government and carry out its bidding, Period.

The corporate government and its departments and its foreign agents of the UNITED STATES have no jurisdiction or authority in ANY state of the Republic beyond the District of Columbia.

That the "CORPORATE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES" was never properly ratified; and, is, therefore, not a proper Common Law constitution. It appears that it is being used as a Roman Law "operating orders". All such Roman Law documents (so-called constitutions), when used as the guide to operate a country
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: under Roman Law, always contain a "notwithstanding" clause. This allows the "captain of the ship", or administrator or judge or the President, leave to disregard any provision of such a constitution at his discretion. That is why nearly all "public officials" know that the real constitution does not apply to them, for they are a Foreign State and a Foreign Agent, which have never filed for protection by signing up as a Foreign Agent, under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities act.

That each and every one of these private corporate employees working for foreign states, are in treason to the constitution for these united states of America and have no immunity at all.

That the federal government and all its agents have committed fraud, duress and coercion, exercised undue influence, and evidenced unlawful menace against the American people by representing the so-called 14th Amendment as a lawfully ratified amendment in the U.S. Constitution, when contrary proof, published court authorities and other competent legal scholars have now established that it was NOT lawfully ratified. (See State v. Phillips, 540 P.2d 936 (1975); Dyett v. Turner, 439 P.2d 266 (1968); 28 Tulane Law Review 22; 11 South Carolina Law Quarterly 484.)

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: The 14th Amendment has literally nothing to do with this. Everything you need to know about whether or not "illegal" immigrants are entitled to rights is found in the Bill of Rights
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: That Title 28 USC 1330 states that the United States District Court has to grant permission for the suit to be pursued once the court has been supplied sufficient proof that the united states citizen is actually a corporate entity and not a living man upon the land.

Title 28 USC 1602-1611 (Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act) allows the jurisdiction of a court to be challenged, and a demand of proper jurisdiction to be completely proven.

That the Charter of the CITY of ORLANDO, TITLE ONE, CHAPTER ONE, SECTIONS ONE AND TWO, SPECIFICALLY ADMITS ORLANDO, FLORIDA TO BE A CORPORATE ENTITY AND THEREFORE A FOREIGN STATE. http://www.municode.com/Resources/code_l... List of all incorporated cities in Florida by www.minicode.com

That the Florida Statutes recognize that Florida is a foreign state, by the fact of this Statute in which it waives its immunity.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: 1. That the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution are ordinances within the Law of Nations.

2. That the primary and compelling reason for the Declaration of Independence, was to eliminate Admiralty Law and Admiralty jurisdiction from the Domestic Law of the colonies.

3. That the Judiciary Act of 1789 clearly recognized a distinct, and separate jurisdiction of Admiralty Law from that of Domestic Law {Common Law}.

4. That the private corporate UNITED STATES and all its departments and subdivisions, are in treason to the Constitutional Republic.

5. That all the resources of the private for profit CORPORATE USA have been hypothecated, or pledged, to the Federal Reserve as a security for the Public National Credit System; have committed treason to the constitution for these united states of America.

6. That, because of House Joint Resolution 192, we have lost access to substantive Common Law, we have lost our allodial land titles -- and a foreign jurisdiction of Admiralty Law has been imposed upon our domestic law -- just as occurred a bit over 200 years ago. Naturally, we can expect these facts to generate more questions that must be answered. I will be raising some questions myself as we proceed.
That the Private Corporations acting as governments used another mechanism to entrap the people of the USA, into Admiralty jurisdiction was the Social Security Act of 1933. The Social Security Act, a retirement benefit ONLY for residents of Washington, D.C. and employees on Federal Property, entraps the free people of the states into Admiralty jurisdiction by assumpsit contract. By the innocent and unknowing act of a free state citizen taking a Social Security number, a supposed contract is made making that person an assumed Federal corporate subject.
That all acts of every private "government" corporation, always have been void from its inception, but these facts have been kept from the people.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: The above words are true and they gave us the ability to separate each state from the federal government and to restore America.

I invite all loyal Americans that support the real, non-fraudulent Constitution to view the video below.


I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

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Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Does that "non-fraudulent Constitution" include the Bill of Rights?
18 months ago: You appear to be looking for a rational argument where none is to be found.

Ignoring the Bill of Rights is ridiculous.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Oh I agree completely. Even if we ignore the 14th Amendment all people within the jurisdiction of the United States are given the right to due process. I love people who claim to love the Constitution and feel that it is the perfect road map to a better America but then throw out all the parts they don't like.
18 months ago: Due process? really? Process them and ship them to brazil or china.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: If that is the established penalty for being an "illegal" immigrant, and the individual is found guilty through due process of law then yes they would then be subject to deportation, to Brazil or China if that is indeed where they came from...although I have this strange feeling based on the fact that you live in Texas that your primary concern isn't Asian or Brazilian immigrants but rather the ones from just south of the border (you know, the ones that took all those farm jobs nobody else wants).
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18 months ago: Where again do Americans get deported to? I always thought that deported was a funny word. When they return are they then reported?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: Well, American's would not be subject to deportation as a penalty for breaking a law. That is reserved for "illegal" immigrants that are found guilty of a crime.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: These commie liberals are afraid of what is coming for them.

They fear and hate the organic constitution because when things change.

They will be treated as communists and won't be allowed into any Government jobs, because of the treason before and now.


"The socialists believe the best way to change a culture, a civilization, a way of thinking, is to infiltrate and begin to move as a member of the aristocracy, as a member of that group and infiltrate from within and use those principles. ... The concept of infiltrating and changing from within is the socialist mentality to get where you want to go."
-- Ted Flynn, author of 'Hope of the Wicked'


I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

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http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"


Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: With cited factual pieces of evidence please outline these changes you speak of.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: Open and view the video if you dare.

It is all there.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
18 months ago: I can send you links to 10000000000000000000 biased videos too...I mean real proof, not teabagger bs.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
18 months ago: Back on topic. The Senate will try to pass a bill requested by the White House, that will provide an additional $600 million for border security. This includes $176 million to hire an additional 1500 border security guards.

The House has already passed a similar bill that provides $700 million, and the Senate will try to pass this bill before the summer recess.

The Republicans are blocking the bill preferring something that would be paid for from the stimulus program. The Democratic bill would pay for it by raising visa fees.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
18 months ago: http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"

Are you Liberals too afraid to view the truth?

This video is for real men and women and not for traitors of the constitution.

To Really Know What A Commie Liberal Is, Just Know What They Stand For -- They Are ONLY For:

Anti-Self Defense, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Family Values, Anti-Business, Pro-Big Government, Pro-New World Order, Pro-Criminals,

Anti-Natural Nutrients, Pro-Abortion Or Anti-Life, Anti-Real Causes Of Illnesses And Pro-Symptom Cures, Anti-Natural Doctors And Pro-Symptom Doctors, Anti-God, Anti-Religion, Pro-Godless Cults, Anti-Patriotism, Pro-Corruption.

When We Have Commie Liberals In Control, We Don't Need Plagues, We Have The 666 To Rule Us.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
18 months ago: Ron you crack me up!
I am glad you are all for natural products. You will find a much higher percentage of liberals (about 90%) that favor natural organic products. It is the corporatists (Right Wing Fascists) that push the chemical laden genetically modified foods.

Likewise if you look at all of the other issues you will find that liberals support all of those issues, we just don't want to hurt anyone else to achieve them.
7 months ago: Al I wanted to give you this to see what your thinking was on the Founding Fathers after seeing this on You Tube.
I found this video to be very interesting this morning. James Rollins, The Author, released his book today. He researches America to add in as fact. "You Tube Spread the Lies"
He talks about the Founding Fathers and the Native Americans and the symbols on the One Dollar Bill. I think you will find it quite interesting on what he has to say. He talks about Native Americans originating from Israel. It is all based on his research and discovery. I thought you might like this one. Sunny

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