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Should Prop 8 Ruling by Gay Judge Be Thrown Out

Posted 13 months ago|7 comments|530 views
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Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
According to a CNN report, it turns out that U.S. Chief Judge Vaughn Walker, the judge who stayed California's controversial Proposition 8 – the prop that outlawed gay marriage – calling it unconstitutional on the grounds that the proposition made one type of marriage superior to another is gay and happily living in a committed relationship of more than 10 years. The crowd behind Prop 8 is now requesting that the judge's ruling be tossed out on grounds that he did not disclose that he was gay and recuse himself. The judge felt that he did not need to recuse himself and that, "...he didn't think it was appropriate for any judge's sexual orientation, ethnicity, national origin or gender to stop them from presiding over a case, according to a Reuters report." (source) This brings up an interesting ethical question. Certainly there are grounds for judges to recuse themselves from presiding over cases. The CA for Prop 8 crowd believes that Walker may have had a vested interest in the outcome of the case being that he is gay, and therefore should have recused himself. Yet, take a case where abortion rights are at issue, should there be no female judge allowed to preside as she might have a vested interest? The question of vested interest in an interesting one to consider in the case of a judge. Should a judge who owns a home be able to preside over cases where home ownership is involved? Should judges who have children be able to preside over cases involving children. Should white judges be able to oversee suits against white people? How does one determine true vested interest? The entire US judicial system, in fact, hinges on the notion, rightly or wrongly, that the job of the judge is to comprehend the law, analyze the proceedings, and ensure the law is being followed as the judgement process proceeds. In the case of a civil trial such as the ruling to stay Prop 8, the judge's job is to analyze the law and ascertain its constitutionality. In this case, Chief Judge wrote a 136-page ruling. That's not something he assembled overnight from law book clippings. That's a serious and thoughtful analysis. May he have ruled with bias? That would be the job of another panel of judges to ascertain. If it were found that he did, then re-try the case. What is important to understand is that the implication in the challenge of his ruling is that no one of a certain identifiable group can ever rule fairly in a case involving some aspect of that group. Men cannot rule on cases involving men, women with women, Catholics on Catholics, Californians on Californians, people on people. People accepted the ruling as long as they believed the person ruling was heterosexual? What this really speaks to, yet again, is the tremendous amount of legal prejudice still tolerated in the United States against gay people.
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TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
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Philadelphia, PA
13 months ago: He probably should have recused himself, this is a little more personal than home ownership. However, the ruling should not be thrown out just because a judge with a possible bias presided over a case. Supreme Court justices don't always recuse themselves when they should, but that doesn't make their rulings any less real.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
13 months ago: The point is that sexual preference should not and usually does not effect job performance in any area.

Perhaps because of his sexual preference, Judge Walker was especially meticulous in this case. He bent over backward to appear fair and unbiased and gave the defendants in the case every opportunity, but they could provide absolutely no evidence that allowing gay people to get married would harm anyone and there was all kinds of evidence that the gay people would be harmed if their constitutional rights were denied. http://news.change.org/stories/the-top-f...
13 months ago: Why don't we just make a state (say California) for them? Sorry, already did that. You folks can't even get to the big picture. Why does the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT want Gay Marrage?

Check out the income tax tables for married verses single....

It is nothing more than a money grab. Why do you think there is a decline in marriage and an increase in divorce? You think all of those people that are divorcing are really splitting up? It is a fact that 2 single people pay less tax when filing seperate than a joint income married partnership.

It is profitable to be single and live in sin.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
13 months ago: The purpose of the the Constitution is to protect the rights of all citizens. In the declaration of Independence our founders declared that All men are created equal. The government is also expressly forbidden from making laws that favor a certain religion and this homophobic obsession is purely religious.

In California Gay Marriage was legal for a while and a lot of couples got married, but then it was made illegal, but those who were already married were still considered married.

This situation made the entire concept very confusing. Some people had equal rights and others didn't. What is most important is that all of these married gay folks in California and the 6 other states in which gay marriage is allowed, have shown that there are no harmful effects of gay marriage and many positive benefits including to children. http://civilliberty.about.com/od/genders...

The decline in hetrosexual marriage and increase in divorce has nothing to do with gay folk. It is entirely because most men are insensitive violent jerks who could learn a lot from their gay brethren.

So the question should be, How can the federal government justify discrimination and the denial of constitutional rights to some of it's citizens? There is no rational justification, and that is why the government is no longer defending DOMA.
13 months ago: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Al - you should quote the whole sentence for context.

As far as the homophobic obsession you are right to a degree. Far too much attention is being paid to this. One of the reasons however is not homophobia, but the insistence of gay people that everyone else not just accept but ENDORSE their life style. That is an irrational and ridiculous expectation to say the least.

For example, if a woman wants to tie her tubes and marry her brother are we now supposed to all say "That's cool" or else we get labeled intolerant?

I don't think so.

People make choices about their lifestyles all the time. Why is it that certain segments of society feel the need to have to get affirmation for what they do and a sense of worthiness, justification, and identity from other folks all the time? That's psychotic.

It is especially psychotic when one thinks another is phobic just because they refuse to endorse a specific behavior of theirs.

Now that's just plain crazy.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
13 months ago: We as a society consider marriage to be stable and good. We think it is bad to sleep around, and we know it is bad for the kids to loose parents or go through divorce.

Yet we deny gay people the same rights. Everyone should be allowed to declare their love and devotion, to promise to be true to their loved one. It is best for society if we have people stop their promiscuity and maintain a monogamous stable relationship. It is best for their children to know that their parents will be there tomorrow and won't be running off for another.

I simply don't understand why small minded people or big government wants to force promiscuity and instability on others.

13 months ago: Al - we as a society collectively USED to consider marriage stable and good.

Sleeping around, far from being seen as bad, is in many instances celebrated (Desperate Housewives and Two And A Half Men for instance).

Monogamy is seen as unnatural. Promiscuity is considered to be inevitable in some corners based upon what some believe to be are our own evolutionary and animalistic instincts. Huh?

What was one time repugnant is now seen a badge of honor. What was once in the closet now has to be accepted and ENDORSED or you are a bigot.

If we feel that any particular behavior is wrong or immoral based upon our understanding of what is good and honorable, there is now said to be something wrong with us. Doesn't matter that we live along side and try to understand. We must swallow all of what is peddled or be labeled with the negative tag of the day or called "phobic." Please.

What is the matter with that picture?

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