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Scientology:Fighting insanity for us all

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The mainstream ”psychiatric” mental health industry is an industry of death practiced by charlatans. The disorders that the 'psychs' claim exist are are entirely subjective. They are made up.

"The precise causes (etiology) of mental disorders are not known. ..There is no definitive lesion, laboratory test, or abnormality in brain tissue that can identify the illness." -- U.S. Surgeon General’s Report on Mental Health

Nevertheless, it is obvious that some people do seem to have mental issues.

What can be done for them? What is the alternative to the psycho junk-science of the psychiatrists?

Dianetics and Scientology are the discoveries of the humanitarian, L Ron Hubbard. Mr Hubbard discovered the principles of survival, the reactive bank, and the means to the achievement of optimal mental states.

Regrettably, Dianetics and Scientology have been the frequent victims of attacks and bigotry by governments and vested interests such as companies producing 'psychiatric' drugs.

At various times, and in various places, Scientology has been actively suppressed by governments, hindering the good that could be achieved. In repressive places, such as within communist regimes like the former USSR, and fascist states, and even relatively democratic places such as Germany and Victoria, Australia, Scientology has been obliged to minimize its profile, play down its abilities, modify its goals, and even change its name merely to continue to deliver its services.

It is because of this oppressive government regulation and the, now dwindling, hegemony of the psychs, that Scientology has sometimes been held back from its true capabilities of helping the troubled, and making the able more able.

The pursuit of Scientology has not reached a state of perfection on this planet. This is not a perfect world, but Dianetics and Scientology, must do their best in this world of imperfection. Scientology always goes on to survive and thrive.

When the psychiatric regime of oppression is finally eliminated, Scientology will once more inspire the world with its true achievements, as it did in the days of L Ron Hubbard's breakthroughs.

As early as the 1960s, L Ron Hubbard had cause to announce -

“For hundreds of years physical scientists have been seeking to apply the exact knowledge they had gained of the physical universe to man and his problems. [. . . ] The dramatic result has been Scientology, the first major and complete breakthrough by the exact sciences into the field of the humanities. Although taken from the material sciences, Scientology is dedicated in the finest tradition of human dignity and freedom espoused by brilliant men in all periods of man's ascendancy over his relationship to the animal. [. . .] Scientology is today the only successfully validated psychotherapy in the world. Tens of thousands of completely documented cases exist in the files of the Hubbard Association of Scientologists International. “
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Scientology has many "firsts." These include:
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The first science to determine accurately the honesty and potential character of people by invariable instrument means.
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The first mental science to subject itself to the most severe validation tests.
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The first science to establish a new state or condition for man which exceeds earlier concepts of man's potential.
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The first science to make whole classes of backward children averagely bright using only drills the teacher can do a few minutes each day.
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The first science to determine the basic cause of disease.
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The first science to contain exact technology to routinely alleviate physical illnesses with completely predictable success. “

The psych industry, backed up by oppressive laws, continues in its haze of drugs, brain-frying electroshock, and untestable diagnoses with no factual basis.

Yet, the first mental to science to subject itself to the most severe validation tests is still thrives. It is Scientology and it is delivered by the sanest people on the planet - Scientologists.
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MeowMacao
MeowMacao
Andorra
37 months ago: There are no OTs. If there were, Anonymous wouldn't be here. Not only that, but if Anonymous is suppressive, as you've been told, how come you or any Scientologist can't shatter me or my suppression? Who can?

tl;dr = Scientology is 99% complete nonsense, lies, asbestos and body thetans, and 1% basic common sense, hatched by a schizophrenic sci-fi writer with a bad case of unwarranted self-importance.

SCIENTOLOGY EXPANSION IS ONLY FALSE STATS. THE DOUBTS YOU HAVE ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY ARE CORRECT.
37 months ago: Scientology's medical claims are proved not by any actual scientific studies, but by random posters on the internet and their pictures of a floating roll of duct tape.

Pseudoscience like this attracts only suckers, but unfortunately that's all the cult wants: suckers, who have money from which they are easily parted.

Show me one clear who can fly (as promised in Scientology medical claims) and I will start giving my entire salary to the cult. Oh wait, you can't. This super race of homo novises created by hours and hours of expensive nonsense courses doesn't actually exist. Turns out it was made up by a hack science fiction writer who died in hiding from the law and with psychiatric drugs in his system. Among his medical claims:

- smoking prevents lung cancer
- asbestos is not dangerous to the lungs
- aspirin causes psychotic behavior
- people can be brought back to life by being touched by high-level Scientologists
- autism does not exist
- siezures can be controlled by periodically paying hundreds of dollars to hold on to two electricly-wired metal cans which serve only to measure the amount of static resistance in your hands
- psychiatrists caused the Holocaust
- all illnesses and injuries are psychosomatic, including blindness, paralysis and amputated limbs
- lesser races (such as South Africans, specifically) are not capable of studying Scientology and becoming better people because they don't have the intelligence
- radiation poisoning can be cured by vitamin drinks and a long sauna
- radiation poisoning is caused by your enemies thinking negative things about you

Sounds like science to me!
Chef Xenu
Chef Xenu
Columbus, OH
37 months ago: "The first science to determine accurately the honesty and potential character of people by invariable instrument means."

Unsubstantiated claim, and dubious considering the large number of Scientologists who were victims of Slatkin and Madoff.

"The first mental science to subject itself to the most severe validation tests."

Where are these tests, please? ALL publically known scientific testing has failed to verify Dianetics/Scientology's claims.

"The first science to establish a new state or condition for man which exceeds earlier concepts of man's potential."

NO scientific test to date has verified or validated this claim.

"The first science to make whole classes of backward children averagely bright using only drills the teacher can do a few minutes each day."

NO scientific evidence has been presented to support this claim.

"The first science to determine the basic cause of disease."

There is no scientific evidence to support this claim either.

"The first science to contain exact technology to routinely alleviate physical illnesses with completely predictable success."

Guess what? There is absolutely no logical reason to believe this scientifically unsupportable claim either!
37 months ago: Chef, you don't really care about the scientific tests. Otherwise you would read Dianetics and research Scientology for yourself at www.scientology.org. You are just out to denigrate a religion.
37 months ago: Nicholas, why do you say amputated limbs are psychosomatic?
Chef Xenu
Chef Xenu
Columbus, OH
37 months ago: Jack, I do care about science and scientific tests. That is why I DID read Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health and research Scientology, and continue to do so.

In Fact, not counting the LRH lectures I've read or listened to, I have also read cover to cover and with attention to understanding both words and context the following L. Ron Hubbard books:
Dianetics: The Original Thesis
Dianetics: The Evolution of a Science
Science of Survival: Prediction of Human Behavior
The Creation of Human Ability: A Handbook for Scientologists
Self Analysis
Advanced Procedures and Axioms
Handbook for Preclears
Scientology: A History of Man
Scientology 8-80
Scientology 8-8008
Dianetics 55
Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought
The Problems of Work
All About Radiation
Clear Body Clear Mind
Introduction to Scientology Ethics
Scientology 0-8
Scientology 88
Scientology: A New Slant on Life
The Way To Happiness

and more...
37 months ago: Chef, you may have some misunderstood words.
37 months ago: Jack, I am DYING to know the logic of how "I do not understand this word" = "There are no scientific tests of any sort which validate any of the claims made by L Ron Hubbard, in the 50 years these claims have been made available."

Scientology has money to buy new buildings and renovate old ones, which remain empty and unused, but they can not provide the funding for research studies to validate and confirm their claims? Explain to me how THAT logic works.

# of studies showing anything in Scientology works = 0. Zip. Zilch. Nada. None. Less than one on an integer scale. Absence of the affirmative. Binary for off. Goose egg. The one that looks like an O but is a number. Find YOUR misunderstood Jack.

Don't be upset he knows more than you do, I'm sure a psych can help you deal with your inferiority complex with some nice comforting therapy. You won't even have to take pills!
37 months ago: What is the alternative to the "psuedo junk science" of psychiatrists, you know, stuff that goes through actual scientific review? Obviously it must be unproven psuedo junk science from a group of people who attack anyone who tries to do scientific review of it.

This article doesn't even have any sources that don't come right from the people who publish and wrote the books you are referencing. You know what we call this in the real world? Spam and astroturfing. Articles like this are likely to get Rant/Rave's google news license revoked. Please refrain from circularly sourced articles in the future and post actual independent sources to back up your claims.
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
37 months ago: Jack, you are horribly deluded and really shouldn't hang around those people.
37 months ago: Oh this is a riot!
Thanks for posting this.

It shows just how SILLY and incredibly warped Scientology's beliefs are.

Then you claim it's attacks of bigotry?
Hubbard said himself that Scientology was not a religion.

There are no clears, or OT's.
Nothing has ever been proven.
Defending that point is NOT bigotry..... it's FACT.

If Scientology wants to clear the planet.... why don't you all start out on your own island, where nobody can bother you? Free of psyches?

Hubbard called earth a dumping ground.
So better yet....
Since high level OT Scientologists believe can postulate an entire new planet, (so they Scientology believes) why don't you go and do that?

If being OTVII and OTVIII is SO powerul... why would psyches bother Scientologists at all?
Why are psyches supposbly stopping your "mission"?
If OT powers actually existed, then why isn't the planet the way you want it now? How would psyches even exist? Why didn't Hubbard postulate anything? Why did he need money?
A boat to carry out the higher OT levels?? why???
Why didn't he just postualte everyone to already know this "wonderful tech"?

I can shoot holes in Scientology mumbo jumnbo for days.... How can I do that? because to believe that any Scientologist has powers to change something and hasn't changed anything is laughable.

OT powers really??? You can't change me!

And if the tech really worked..then...
Why doesn't Scientology postulate it's own money?
Wouldn't money be trivial if such OT powers existed?
Why would Scientology need member's money to survive?
Why does Scientology need money at all?

I'll tell you why... cause its a SCAM.

You can believe in whatever silly thing you want.
Beliefs are one thing. But taking peopls's money to further your fake agenda is wrong.
To have human rights violations within your cult is wrong.
That my friend is not bigotry, it's FACT.
37 months ago: http://clambake.org/archive/leaflet/xenuleaf.htm

Sorry, but the belief system is what gets people hooked in the first place, and it has to go. Scientology in any form, whether completely free of charge, or as it exists now, cannot be allowed to continue to dupe unsuspecting marks out of their money and their lives.

Too bad most don't realize that the seemingly innocent beliefs and simple training at the beginning leads to the nonsense and idiocy of the OT levels.

Also, to further illustrate what has already been commented several times here, if there were any OTs in existence, I would not be able to post this comment.

Hail Xenu!
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
37 months ago: A person need not be a Scientologist to disagree with the methods of Psychiatry.
The idea that everyone who disagrees with Scientology is because they are connected to Psychiatry is not proven but is typical theatrical Scientology theory.
Hubbard was more theatrical than scientific.
He was his own religion derived from his own mind.

Justin Lake
Justin Lake
New York, NY
37 months ago: Is this post a joke? Everyone knows that mental illness is caused by alien thetans which have invaded the body, and all we need to do to fix the problem is "audit" those space entities out of our bodies. The problem is obvious, just as is the solution-- paying the Church of Scientology $400,000.00 to get ride of the demon possession. When you think of it, it sounds just like the old gypsy scam where you pay all your money to rid your body of demons.

But this is legitimate, and not a scam. Trust me. Xenu the space god is real and so is Scientology. Medicine and scientific theory are usesless when you are dealing with the power of the alien god Xenu. Sure, scientists will tell you Xenu does not exist, and shrinks will tell you that mental illness is not caused by space alien thetans, but that is why they are evil and must be stopped.
Justin Lake
Justin Lake
New York, NY
37 months ago: "Chef, you don't really care about the scientific tests. Otherwise you would read Dianetics and research Scientology for yourself at www.scientology.org. You are just out to denigrate a religion."

An amazing statement considering Scientology is overtly hostile to all other religions-- you will learn on the OT levels that even Jesus was a hologram. I know of no true religion that specifically references and condems other religions. This is the hallmark of a cult that is desperate to gain influence by attempting to destroy true religions. Funny thing about the call to read dianetics-- it's all bait and switch-- dianetics is the false candy coating on the **** interrior. You don't learn about Xenu or the Jesus hologram until long after they lie to you by saying it is compatible with other religions.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: Fighting insanity for us all?

L Ron. Hubbard couldn't even treat his own insanity, how do you expect anyone to believe his work could treat anyone else's insanity?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVqN4ivQ_TM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDKg5K3in8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6P4YV6CfI0

I can accept Scientology being a religion, but to claim it can treat insanity would be comical, if people weren't actually conned into believing it.
flourishandprosper
flourishandprosper
Los Angeles, CA
37 months ago: The vehemence of these attacks on Scientology can only mean one thing -- that the attackers are afraid that it might all be true.

Leave Jack alone -- Scientology works for him and many others, including me.

Go on and take your psych meds if you must -- after all, it's still legal. But don't say we didn't warn you not to.
37 months ago: @flourishandprosper:

Spoken like a true believer who has no idea whatsoever what the upper levels of the evil cult of greed entail.

Of course, now you'll tell us you are clear or OT, and know full well that the tech works. But you'd be lying. Please, if you truly have OT power, tell me where I am, what am I wearing, what is my age, occupation, anything at all. But of course, you can't, and there has never been any evidence of any person attaining super abilities after going clear or OT.

THERE ARE NO CLEARS, AND THERE ARE NO OTs!!!! Come and get me clam, if you can.

Hail Xenu!
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: flourishandprosper,

Sorry to disappoint you but I do not take any medication or any kind, unlike the 'psych drugs' found in L. Ron Hubbard's blood at the time of his death.

L. Ron Hubbard's toxicology report is public record and available from the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office. Coroner's file #8936.

Not that you are interested in the truth, but I thought I'd offer you the data just in case you were willing to face reality.

So please stop with your 'Go on and take your psych meds if you must' non-sense. It makes you look silly.
37 months ago: The fact that scientologists read stuff by a man who has had every last one of his "accomplishments" debunked (L. Ron was kicked out of the navy for practice firing on an inhabited island, his wife was prosecuted for stealing FBI files and not "office paper", there is a published letter where he begs the APA for help before declaring all psychiatrists evil, the list goes on) and viciously parrot it as the absolute truth is an amazing example of what brainwashing does to a person.

What can be said of a religion that categorizes *every single critic*, regardless of who they are or their status on 'the bridge', as suppressive people? You are flat out saying "anybody who disagrees with scientology is evil" and that is cult mentality defined. You don't know me, you don't know 99% of these critics but you're more than happy to scream about our crimes and overts because that's what your church tells you.

Way to think for yourself, you're truly a "free being".
37 months ago: "The mainstream ”psychiatric” mental health industry is an industry of death practiced by charlatans."

If this were true, then wouldn't any person who seeked counsuling end up dying and never returning? Lets be reasonable here, psyciatrists work for money. If they kill their sources of income, they would stop getting money. Now why would they do that. Really pyciatrists would rather help their patients, get money, and then get more patients to get more money. If you kill your patients, your going to stop getting money, and thats the opposite of what you want to happen.
37 months ago: "Dianetics and Scientology are the discoveries of the humanitarian, L Ron Hubbard."

Lol, if he was a true humanitarian then all his teachings and help would be free. If he is a humanitarian, then the SlimFast Co. is run by humanitarians too. They give help...at a price.
37 months ago: "Mr Hubbard discovered the principles of survival, the reactive bank, and the means to the achievement of optimal mental states. "

And the whole time he never once used the scientific method becuase he was just that smart! If only Newton, Einstein, Capernicus, and Galileo were science-fiction writers too; then they could have been true scientists and discovered things without using or developing the modern scientific method too!
37 months ago: "Regrettably, Dianetics and Scientology have been the frequent victims of attacks and bigotry by governments and vested interests such as companies producing 'psychiatric' drugs."

You misspelled "Thankfully," at the beginning of this sentence.
37 months ago: "Scientology has been obliged to minimize its profile, play down its abilities, modify its goals, and even change its name merely to continue to deliver its services."

So you admit that scientology evolves so that it can deceptivelly indoctrinate more people and scam them out of their money, even if that means changing its most basic fundamentals?

If the Christians had done that when thrown to the lions, they would be praising Roman Gods. If the Jews had done that, Hitler would probably have been their Messiah. If protestants had done that, Jamestown would have never been founded. When true religions face such adversity, their followers either admit to being followers or keep it as a secret, they don't reorganize their entire beliefs just to stay around.
37 months ago: "It is because of this oppressive government regulation and the, now dwindling, hegemony of the psychs, that Scientology has sometimes been held back from its true capabilities of helping the troubled, and making the able more able."

If scientology actually worked, you would have the power to carry out your practices anyway, unhindered by critics, governments, and psyciatrists. When you get higher up, you should be good enough at scientology to walk through walls, never get sick, etc, according to the cult. How could some simple red tape and squaking critics get you down if scientology actually worked?

I also like how you admitted that scientology is dangerous enough that governments had to set up regulations to protect their citizens from the cult. You also are saying either a) pyciatrists are more well respected than scientologists so that if they say something is dangerous, people will actually listen or b) pyciatrists used their awsome powers of pills, electric shock, and lobodomy to brainwash the whole f-ing government (thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people) to dislike scientology.

I want to know, what did scientology do to pyciatrists to piss them off enough to use their secret doomsday plan to turn the entire world governments against them?
37 months ago: "The pursuit of Scientology has not reached a state of perfection on this planet. This is not a perfect world, but Dianetics and Scientology, must do their best in this world of imperfection. Scientology always goes on to survive and thrive."

Don't worry guys, they have reached a state of perfection on Saturn; those mother-f**kers won't back talk like these b*tches here on earth.

Also, the imperfect theories of scientology and dianetics are here to cure the imperfect world of human nature which causes us to be imperfect. So basically they want to brainwash the entire planet so humans forget their natural instincts. The ones you know that evolution gave us to survive, the kinda-sorta useful ones. Yep, you know the ones i'm talking about.

Scientology will always be here guys. Even though scientology is made up of humans who will eventually die, corrupt the original message, end up destroying themselves, etc, scientology will always be here. No really. Its been around for 50 years, close enough to forever right? Every major religion is confirmed after the first 50 years? Right? Please say right?
37 months ago: "When the psychiatric regime of oppression is finally eliminated, Scientology will once more inspire the world with its true achievements, as it did in the days of L Ron Hubbard's breakthroughs."

Once more??? You're talking like there was scientology, then pychiatry popped up on the seen and tottally was hating on scientologists, and then some day phyciatry will go away. When your knock-off philosophy/cult popped up, phyciatry was already established. There was never a "once."

Also what was Hubbards true achievements? He was truly a science fiction writer. That was all most people will recognize him for. So are you saying that once phyciatry is elimanated, scientology can get back to buisness: Writing science fiction and then using LR Hubbard as the author's name?

Also what were his breakthrough's? The e-meter was invented by someone else, the discovery of the great spirit thing and reincarnation are ripped off from christianity's Holy Spirit and Hinduism's belief in reincarnation. The belief that their are engrams in your mind is common sense, bad events will leave bad memories in you that could lead to bad/destructive habits. Talking about it makes it better. Thats just basic pshycology. The whole vitamins thing is again, common sense. You are what you eat, so if you eat healthy then you will be healthy. The tone scale thing is just human nature, if someone sounds angry, then chances are they are angry and they will be hard to reason with. Xenu is just a basic founding mythology story, every religion has one.

Anyother breakthrough's i forgot to mention?
37 months ago: "physical scientists have been seeking to apply the exact knowledge they had gained of the physical universe to man and his problems. [. . . ] The dramatic result has been Scientology,"

i call B U L L S H I T !!!!

the physical sciences use math. Not a single concept in scientology was founded upon mathematics. Your e-meter and your follower's bank accounts are the closest thing in scientology to mathematics.

You religion can't even be called close to imaginary numbers which are imaginary. If you are less real then imaginary numbers, you might have a problem.
37 months ago: "...completely documented cases exist in the files of the Hubbard Association of Scientologists International."

...becuase actual medical institutions wouldn't accpet them.
37 months ago: "Nicholas, why do you say amputated limbs are psychosomatic?"

Because Hubbard states that ALL physical imperfections are psychosomatic. ALL OF THEM. If you need glasses, you can overcome it will your will and proper auditing. If you have a limb, you can regrow it. If your friend dies, you can bring them back to life with a touch assist.

Don't you Scientologists read your own literature? Even what it actually says in Dianetics?
37 months ago: "The first science to determine accurately the honesty and potential character of people by invariable instrument means. "

You mean that science created a tool to measure honesty? Can you link me a picture or a description of this tool? How does the tool work, does it measure voice pitch or blood rate? Does it need batteries like a powertool or is it more like a ruler? If you can show me a shred of proof that this tool exists i will be extremely impressed.
37 months ago: Nicholas,

Since Davey MisCabbage, the deranged midget, squirreled all the books, maybe they don't know which version(s) to read any more, so they don't read any of them.

Hell, I know I wouldn't at the prices they charge. Of course, you can pick up copies of D:MSMH for less than a buck at most used book stores.

Hail Xenu!
flourishandprosper
flourishandprosper
Los Angeles, CA
37 months ago: Such angry people!

You should do something about yourselves!
37 months ago: "The first mental science to subject itself to the most severe validation tests."

If this were true, and it was validated, then why does no medical school teach classes in it. If it works, i would assume buisness would like their employees to learn it which would mean that students want to go to colleges that teach it. Shouldn't medical schools want to teach it; wouldn't UCLA medical have classes in it or the Harvard school of medicine offer classes in it?
37 months ago: "Such angry people!

You should do something about yourselves!"

He said with an exmlamtion mark to express his anger and frustration.
37 months ago: "The first science to make whole classes of backward children averagely bright using only drills the teacher can do a few minutes each day."

Yet public schools, which have little money to began with, still refuse to use this free method that would according to you and furthermore scientology, would make awkward kids into smart kids. Ya, does anyone else sense that this is complete BS?
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: flourishandprosper,

I'm not angry,what makes you think I'm angry?
37 months ago: "The first science to contain exact technology to routinely alleviate physical illnesses with completely predictable success. “

And still medical schools are total dicks and won't teach it. Like WTF man, it totally works dude. We even got our non-existant sources to prove that our unproven pseudo-science totally works. Like, i was bleeding, and then they totally cured me. It was awsome dude.
37 months ago: "The first science to determine the basic cause of disease."

Yo dumb***, their is more than one cause for a disease. Diseases can be caused my multiple things. Stop saying that disease is caused by one thing, it makes you look unintelligent. Learn science. And the science that doesn't have a -tology attached to the end of the name.
37 months ago: K, i'm done analyzing parts of your article Jack, time to move on to the comments.
37 months ago: "Chef, you don't really care about the scientific tests. Otherwise you would read Dianetics and research Scientology for yourself at www.scientology.org. You are just out to denigrate a religion."

Thats because any scientific test that ever happened ever is on the scientology website. Like the test that dogs are more likely to hump dogs their size then smaller then them. That one is totally on their site. Under favorites. And with graphic pics.
37 months ago: "Chef, you may have some misunderstood words."

lol, there was an article i read today about scientology schools and there teaching methods. In it, scientology will actually teach the wrong defintion according to dictionaries to words to further entagle followers into scientology.

Jack, you are like a proletariat from George Orwell's 1984. You believe anything that the Church (Big Brother) tells you. You use double think to accept things as true. In 1984, the government degraded the language to make it harder for the masses to rise. If you don't know the word 'revolution,' how could properly communicate to people the need for one.

tl;dr Scientology corrupts words to stop their followers from breaking away from the cult.
37 months ago: "The vehemence of these attacks on Scientology can only mean one thing -- that the attackers are afraid that it might all be true."

So by your logic, critics critisize most strongly the thing that they are afraid of most. When applying this logic:

Our founding fathers critisized King of England because they were afraid that taxation with out representation was truly a good thing. They were afraid that having natural, unalienable rights taken away by a monarch was actually the best thing that could happen to a person. Also, having you main city, Boston, shut down for behaving badly, grounded like a child, was the correct thing to do.

Your logic needs more logic. Please come back when your logic has been fixed.
37 months ago: "Go on and take your psych meds if you must -- after all, it's still legal. But don't say we didn't warn you not to. "

Yep, you warned Jett Travolta. Good thing too. If he had kept taking his meds, something terrible could have happened too him, maybe even death. Sure is a good thing that you took his lifeline between being a normal functioning person and a mentally handicapped challenged person away for his own good.
37 months ago: In this rant, i win
37 months ago: Just a reminder:

After they start these topics, you will get a few standard replies, "See for yourself", "You're a criminal" etc. The discussion will then end. They have done their job, spammed cult PR, and can report back to base that they have made "Wins".

The exception, possibly, is Terryeo who's slightly more insane than the proper Scientologists.

I pitty these sad rejects who have to regurgitate 1950s BS in 2009, and who are blissfully unaware how pathetic and sad they make themselves and their lives sound to anyone who isn't part of the other 50,000 worldwide "members" of their ridiculous 1950's space-opera-cult.
37 months ago: Dangerranger, you visited www.scientology.org, and all you got out of it was something about dogs humping.

If you cast pearls before swine, they probably won't appreciated it either.

Could you at least tell us more about this dog humping business and what you got out of it. What does it mean, when you think about it?
37 months ago: "Could you at least tell us more about this dog humping business and what you got out of it. What does it mean, when you think about it?"

If I can pre-empt Dangerranger, he/she probably got the same out of it that any sane person would. ie, it's complete crap written by a drug-riddled impotent bigamist who made his own little private navy because the real Navy found him incompetant.

Tell us what YOU get out of it!!! I dare you!
37 months ago: "Dangerranger, you visited www.scientology.org, and all you got out of it was something about dogs humping."

Out of all my posts, you focus on the dog humping one. Really? Does dog humping get you excited Jack? Get your blood boiling, make you hot and bothered? Does it? Does my accounts of dog humping make you randy?

I really had no idea that dog humping would get you that excited and all fidgity. If you looking for dog humping sites, i sugest using google and not me as your tool
37 months ago: BTW jack, i love how manipulate the comment board to get us to talk about dog humping. You picked up a random drop about it and now its all you can think about. But hey man, if thats what your into, i won't judge.
37 months ago: Just realised... It's almost Thursday lol!

Keep the "Wins" coming "Jack H", "Terryeo"... maybe "johnelexwood" is busy tonight also.

I suspect he is.

BTW Guys, When you reach OT8 you get to hear Hubbard tell you what a loser you are. Not that any of you will ever get that far whilst your still paying to continuosly re-do things you've already paid for.

"Wrong side of the gene-pool"? rofl.

How far are you "Up the 'Bridge' "johnelexwood" ?
After a lifetime of this crap you should be "Clear" at least surely?

If you are mentally challenged enough to believe that your "Bridge" is straight rather than a never ending circle... well maybe, perhaps, *that* is why Hubbard was a genius.

... and the silence begins.

And, no. I'm not being a Religious Biggot, or promoting Religious hate-crimes because, (and I know you will "prove" me wrong by telling me to look at..
37 months ago: Dangerranger, you are avoiding the dog humping question. You have to ask yourself why.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: EternalBattery,

In Hubbard's defense he did slap together a few facets of pop psychology that can be beneficial to someone who has never been exposed to these techniques, but when all its said and done, when it comes to L. Ron Hubbard's work, my question is ... What's the point?

What is the point? When there as so many better self help authors on the market.

It's obvious Hubbard was conditioned to write pulp science fiction where he was paid by the word. His books are painfully dragged out. I read several of his books can could have condensed them into about one ten of the material without missing any of the information. And even if you can get beyond the unnecessary verbosity his work is very dated and mediocre at best.
37 months ago: Jack H Remington, you are avoiding the insinuations that you have a dog humping fetish. You have to ask yourself why.
37 months ago: Are they true?
37 months ago: Quote: "Out of all my posts, you focus on the dog humping one. Really? Does dog humping get you excited Jack? Get your blood boiling, make you hot and bothered? Does it? Does my accounts of dog humping make you randy?

I really had no idea that dog humping would get you that excited and all fidgity. If you looking for dog humping sites, i sugest using google and not me as your tool"

"Jack" you are **** at your job. You are using your 1950's rules to engage in conversation. They didnt work then, they sure as hell do not work now. By all means post your "Wins". But, ftr, you are nothing more than a deluded member of a little cult.

Post your real "wins" here so that you stifle your cults oposition and prove, once and for all, that you are right and all your critics are wrong, crimninals, and being paid by "the evil psychs".

Or have you "postulated" us away already?

Wake up you moron. Buy yourslef a dictionary that actually has real words in it rather than pretend words.

If you are adamant in defending you cult then do it logically.

"Xenu", "Enturbulate", "Knowingness of Knowing how to Know"

Oh, btw... OT3... XENU
OT8 Jesus was a peadophile.

Bloody Hell, I didnt get pneumonia or die by reading OT3.
The Hubbard-Sriptures (source) state as fact that it will happen. Must have read it wrong and have misunderstood a word.



An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: dangerranger

Jack thinks you were knocked unconscious while some dog was humping nearby and if he can get you to realize this, you will surrender all of your capacity for objective and rational thought then suddenly agree with everything he has been saying about L. Ron Hubbard.
37 months ago: @ An Observer:
Exactly. He wrote crap, got lucky and invented a pretend religion.

Thats fine. But its invention was intended to make him money. That is not fine.

His pre-dianticycrap writings were mediocre, to say the very least. The fact that this criminal organisation has every, (so called), written word and even his name Copyrighted to RTC (aka Dwarf7, Grumpy) and that they have a "new discovery" every time the Copyright expires so that the cult members have to re-buy all the same ****e theyve already bought would lead any sane person to think "Hmm, Cult"
37 months ago: Dianetics is no mystery. You have a memory of injury or trauma, of difficulty. A Dianetics auditor helps you go through your recall of the past until you've understood it. To say this same thing in slightly different words. You know something. But past moments are fleeting, the decisions you made in moments of trauma may be beyond your easy recall. Review brings such details into fuller understanding.

You understand what you already knew.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: Terryeo,

Regressive therapy along with the measurement of galvanic skin response was used in psychiatry prior to 1950,L. Ron Hubbard did not invent it, he just packaged under the name of Dianetics. It's one of many forms of therapy, unfortunately Scientologists think it is a one-size fits all therapy, because that is how Hubbard sold it.
37 months ago: "A Dianetics auditor helps you go through your recall of the past until you've understood it" - Terryeo

K, i will play along.

"Mr. auditor, i have a difficult memory"
"What is it Danger Ranger?"
"At my 7th birthday party, my uncle, he well...pulled me into a closet."
"And what did he do to you in the closet?"
"He, well, ummm....he touched me?"
"Oh Danger Ranger, don't worry. Your uncle is a pervert, homosexual pedophile. He was touching you because he finds little boys in vulnerable situations arousing."
"HOW DOES THIS HELP ME!"
"So about your payment method"
"MY UNCLE RAPED ME!"
"He only raped you becuase he loves little boys. You must understand that Danger Ranger"
"(Sobs) UNDERSTANDING THAT DOESN'T HELP."
"Just know Danger Ranger that I recorded everything we said. EVERYTHING. If you leave I might have to tell your parents and your uncle....for your sake."
"Please, please don't. I'll stay. Don't tell them"
"I am glad we got over that tramautic event. Now you understand what you already knew"
37 months ago: Anonymous is a group of people who think calling a religion a cult or hacking someone's myspace is going to change the world.Your so called Legion is nothing and will never be something.Take the masks off, grow up and get a life,you religious bigots.
37 months ago: @JackHRemington
@Terryeo
@johnalexwood
(Plus all other their other spammy usernames)

BS:5/942//smkngprvntcncr/IpretendNavyHavehat

It is now policy, dictated by the drugs I have just digested, that the above mentioned are hereby declared to be... (feck, make an acronym up for me little girl).. PUUUUs

It is now policah that Potatos of Unknowingly Unknowing the Unknown of their Unknowingess, hum, must in the future.. a place where I have been.. You know, hum, a fellow in the fewtah let me drive his DC-8.5, they were powered by Wriggleys Spearmint you know, coz thats whats happens in the future. (They have magic paper-communicating devices called Telexes, may be spelt F-A-X). Million Dollarz! Hum. You know. Have I finished now? Hic. Why is a midget putting needles into my arse? Do you like my motorhome? My life is ace. I'm Clear. Hic.

37 months ago: Scientology is a group of people who think calling a cult a religion or taking innocent's people money is going to change the world. Your so called Religion is nothing and will never be something. Take off the masks of deception. give back your followers' lives and money, and get a life, you religious bigots.
37 months ago: They are not calling a religiona cult, they are calling scientolgy a cult.
37 months ago: oops. Misread. Sorry Dangerranger
37 months ago: np
37 months ago: Scientology makes lots of claims about being based on the scientific method, but WHERE IS THE DATA? LRH might have done a couple of tests on his friends or something, but there have never been any clinical tests to show the efficacy of auditing, or any other LRH process. It always comes down to blind-faith in Ron. This is not scientific. In science, the scientist can be, and often is, wrong. The only way that progress is made is by making educated guesses, and testing them. LRH pulled all of this stuff, including the Xenu mythology, out of his nether-regions. Well, I take that back. Sometimes he plagiarized it.
37 months ago: I'm guessing Terryeo (not a proper cult-member but mentally challenged nontheless), and "Jack!" have walked away smiling thinking, in their deluded minds, that have had a "win" dealing with the SPs.

Terryeo, Jack.. come back and answer at least one question. Your cult has, for 50 years, vehemently denied publically that the "75 millon years ago" and "Xenu" stories existed. Yet Tommy Davis has now admimmited they do.

Enlighten us poor wogs please.
37 months ago: Its funny that sense they couldn't get scientists to endorse their cult, they got celebritys. That was probably the smartest action to cult ever did, trying to get celebrity endorsements. I am not saying that that was a good thing, simply smart if somewhat dubious and decietful move.
37 months ago: Eternal Battery, its pretty obvious. The interview was tottally faked. That tommy was an actor! Simple minded SP...so deluded...
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago:
You'd think L. Ron Hubbard could have come up with a better creation story for his religion, that copying one from a comic book

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fantastic-Four-%23158-NM--9.2-Xemu_W0QQitemZ350189588188QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090412?IMSfp=TL090412158006r25353#ebayphotohosting
37 months ago: EternalBattery, making up stories about Tommy Davies is not going to stop the Church of Scientology from clearing the planet. Over 1 billion people have now received their invitations and may well take their first steps on to the bridge this year.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: EternalBattery is not lying, I've seen the interview myself and so can you, if you are willing to face the truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-biOK51xJc&feature=related

37 months ago: Ya, let the church handle making up stories about Tommy Davis. Also Jack, if you guys really want to help the planet, sending out 1 billion invitations isn't the way to do it. That is a lot of wasted paper for one. Then there is all chemicals that went into making the paper that is ruining the environment. Then each invitation has to be individually delivered, wasting fossil fuels and releasing green house gasses into the environment. Then each of those people will throw the invitation away without reading it, and most of those people won't recycle it, wasting even more trees and filling up landfills. If you want to really help the planet, how about you don't kill it.

Why is scientology kill the planet Jack? Do you guys hate it, is that it? What did the planet do to you guys? No what, the planet doesn't want you so gtfo if you are going to hurt it. You guys are hurting America, and by hurting america you are hurting the ideals of liberty, justice, freedom, truth. Why does scientology hate America and furthermore the planet Jack?
37 months ago: You can easily find Hubbards "orders" regarding trying to get Celebs to join. Publicizes his scam, gets normal people to join. Like all of his 1950's dribble it is still "source", which is why they continue to follow his inane ramblings to this day.

The majority of "celebs" over the years have ignored their glorious invatations to the cults "Celebrity Centres".

(Google Elvis's thoughts on the cult, who was on their list of celebs to get recruited!)

A "Church" with a rule passed down from the almighty Hubbard to recruit celebreties? A "Church" that has "celebrity centres"? You thinking what everyone else in the world is thinking???

Fair enough, Tom Cruise is the ideal sucker for the scam. He's not the brightest bulb on the Christmas Tree, but his wives and now his(?) child are forced to endure this BS.

Disgusting.

37 months ago: "EternalBattery, making up stories about Tommy Davies is not going to stop the Church of Scientology from clearing the planet. Over 1 billion people have now received their invitations and may well take their first steps on to the bridge this year."

DISCUSS THIS THEN!
I will if YOU will you frigging moron!
37 months ago: Ya, its kinda sick that a religion is based on catering to the elites in society. Who would want that. I want christianity, judiasm, islam, etc where the basis is around humility, charity, and selflessness
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: EternalBattery

Isn't it amazing how a group which is so obsessed with communication as Scientology claims to be, has such great difficulty when it comes to actually communicating?
37 months ago: I hereby cordially invite "JackHRemington", "Terryeo" and "johnalexwood"
(or whichever spammy-forum-userame they choose to use):

To DISCUSS this subject.

Both of you, (I'm excluding Terryeo), are imbeciles and incapable of any form of rational discussion.

Both of you are going to be in big **** come Thursday because of your total "Un-Knowingess" of how to Spam under many differnt user names and a complete "Un-Knowingness" of the fact that it is no longer 1950 and pretty much anyone with even one IQ point greater than Tom Cruise is capable of emailing your regular Org-Meister with your real name and totally negating your "Wins". SecCheck?

Thick as pig ****.
If you start a genuine conversation I will retract that comment.


37 months ago: Youre the experts in communication... We are waiting. Communicate! ...
37 months ago: "How can we communicate when you are so low on the tone scale? If you really want to find out about scientology go to scientology.org or go to your nearest org to find out."

This is what they will say.
37 months ago: "You do not wish to be communicated to becuase you are here for hate and anger. If you were really here to learn something, you would contact your nearest org with questions. Grow up people."

Or something like this.
37 months ago: @ Am Observer

If I thought I had gained any communication skills in the way these idiots do I would hope to have a little sanity left to rid my presence from the world.

Communication is the biggest thing they can not do.

Endless cult PR copy/paste. Endless cult links.

And they still believe that this "tech" made up 50 years ago works!

A paranoid schitzophrenic wrote some crap down 50 years ago and they blindly follow it and truly believe that it is real. Beggars belief.

Anyhow.. still waiting for this discussion from the only people on the plant who know how to communicate....
37 months ago: Maybe the tech doesn't work because they haven't changed the batteries in 50 years...
37 months ago: I'll postulate an ashtray to move while I wait.
37 months ago: The tech is plugged into Xenus' eternal battery, which is trickle charged from the battery-charger in their 3 secret undergound vaults. ... Am I writing crappy 50s sciFi here? lol.... hmm, back in 10mins i have a cunning plan involving inventing a religion to hide my scam....
37 months ago: Still waiting "Jack". I know you're *very* busy now(!) but please come back and have a discussion, afterall that must surely be why you made this original post? Is that not the purpose of making such posts?

We could also, possibly, discuss the insane amount of positive "reviews" for "Dianetics" on Amazon.con and how all negative reviews have vannished. A discussion point could be, how is what most of the literate world consider to be a pile of nonsence getting more "purchases" and good "reviews" than genuine works of literacy? It's a mere starting poing for our discussion.

I know you'll discuss these things because you are an expert in communication.
37 months ago: Hold your horses, EternalBattery. What did you want to discuss?
37 months ago: Pretty ponies
37 months ago: They are awsome. You can brush them and they love you forever.
37 months ago: While we are (Still) waiting canwe get johnalexwood in the discussion.

His latest Tweet:
"Just reading the newsletter from http://www.scientology-edinburgh.org - tells the story behind the Scottish flag, the "Saltire", interesting"

Interesting? No. It's yet another link pointing at utter made-up Bollox.
37 months ago: "Hold your horses, EternalBattery. What did you want to discuss?"

Been holding them for a while tbh.

Discuss OT3, you are allowed to now! unless you actually believe it was a Tommy-Fake.
37 months ago: Are scientologists saying that LRH invented to flag? This again reminds me of "1984." In it the party took credit for things they never did, like inventing air planes, and changing numbers and figures to looke like they were successful.
37 months ago: @dangerranger

Unless I have "Misunderstoods" they are claiming nothing. The link points to cult PR. Nothing relating to:
"Just reading the newsletter from http://www.scientology-edinburgh.org - tells the story behind the Scottish flag, the "Saltire", interesting"

Of interest though:
“Something CAN be done about it” is the motto of the 90,000 Scientology Volunteer Ministers who wanted to help and found out how. You, too, can make a difference.

90,000? ROFL
37 months ago: So you really are just interested in denigrating a religion, EternalBattery.

I am sure you know all you think you need to know about achieving OT status and are just trying to devalue the achievements of others.
37 months ago: Dangerranger, were these ponies of yours humping?
37 months ago: There we go. No discussion.

"Jack" Discuss!
37 months ago: again jack, you and the animals. I really had no idea that animal humping really got you going. Did you take that short break to go to your "special" websites *wink *wink ; )

If you look, i never once insinuated that i was humping ponies, your imagination sure is quick to jump to humping animals.

You don't own a pet, do you Jack? Initially i had you pegged as a cat sort of man but now you strike me as a dog or horse kinda guy to you all your talking about sodomizing with them.
37 months ago: Sorry, i misread, i thought you said "were you humping these ponies" or something like that.

No, the ponies were riding on a rainbow around happy land, trying to spread fun and cheer so that the little sprites on the ground could have fun.
37 months ago: Don't get too mad Eternal Battery, at least me and Jack are discussing my little pony and animal sodomy. Its a nice break from the scientology discusion. At the moment, i accused Jack of sodomizing horses and going to sites where people watch videos of human-on-animal relationsm and he was wondering if i saw humping little ponies to which i replied "no" and that they were riding on a rainbow.
37 months ago: One last thing then i am going to go for the night, Jack, is the picture that you used a picture of a floating magnet? The picture looks like one of those super-cooled magnets that float when chilled in liquid nitrogen.
37 months ago: Theyre the best magnets ever
37 months ago: It is an illustration of the Meissner effect, Dangerranger. Your images of the ponies is probably not real and may be an "implant".
37 months ago: Cool pic, that would be fun to do if one had liquid nitrogen lying around. Of course the ponies are real. Didn't you ever watch the corny "My Little Pony" TV series? That series was awsome!!! The memory is an implant of awsome! Go to youtube and look it up Jack.

Also there are "My little pony" dolls, toys, lunchboxes, backpacks and probably more.
37 months ago: These ponies will not help in the fight against insanity. Try Scientology.
37 months ago: What TV shows did you watch growing up Jack. Personally my favorite was "Batman: The animated series." It was funny, my dad would watch cartoons with me too. Nickolodean was on more than ESPN.
37 months ago: of course you don't have to say anything if you don't want too.
37 months ago: Oh come on Jack, have some fun. These ponies were not made to fight insanity, they were made for laughs and corporate profits. I'm going to say that you watched...Rugrats. Everybody watched rugrats. If you were born earlier than me than i will say GI Joe.
37 months ago: Conclusion: Psychiatry is an industry of death.
37 months ago: Ok Jack, if you really don't want to respond off-topiclly.

What about hobbies, i guess you arn't a cartoon type of guy. Do you play any sports or like movies?

I like soccer and comedy movies. What about you Jack?

I'm just curious about Jack the real guy. Obviously you are a religious fellow who dislikes psyciatry. You seem to show interest in the sciences due to your Miesser's Theory picture. You also spend quite a bit of time on the computer so you are tech savvy, you probbly own an I-pod. I'm gonna guess and say that if you watch TV, you like to watch the History Channel or Science channel and you like shows like "The Universe" "Modern Marvels" and similar shows.
37 months ago: Personally, I think those shows are cool. In modern marvels they always have interesting histories of whatever technology they are explaining and the Universe is neat becuase is just mind-blowing. You definetly feel small and simple in such a huge, complex universe.
37 months ago: Come' on Jack (unless you went to bed). I didn't mean to shut you up, I just wanted to be friendly and not bickering with you for once. I know that we probably share some interests and i thought it would be fun to see what they are.

If Terryeo comes on, I think due to his reference to an ice shelf that he might be into environmentalism. Is so, thats cool, check out me commenting "My Debunking"
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: I supposed Hubbard created a new definition for 'Communication' too. Since the only communication Scientologists seem to be capable of is propagating Scientology's propaganda. Carrying on an intelligent conversion on the subject of Scientology seems to be beyond their capabilities, or maybe maybe they just leave normal healthy communication to us lowly non-scientologists and opt for their introverted form of communication instead.
37 months ago: I agree with the article.
What can be found in Scientology books is a new slant on life that will change this society.
In 100 years "psychiatry" will be found only in dictionaries and Scientology wll be used by the majority of people on Earth.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: FrankG,

Do you honestly believe L. Ron Hubbard's packaging of 1950s based hypnosis and regressive therapy used to cure phobias and expose repressed emotions, will render the multitude of advancements in the field of mental health obsolete?

Why don't you ask the management of Scientology to actually deliver and example of the state known as Clear or OT?

A simple example of total recall should be very easy to preform ... but let me warn you, don't hold your breath waiting because these states are merely carrrots they dangle in front of you to keep you hooked.

You will never gain anything more from Scientology that you do from the initial exposure of phobias and repressed emotions through your early auditing, because nothing further exists except empty promises.

There are numerous self help authors which deliver far more than L. Ron Hubbard and promise far less, haven't you ever wonder why the management of Scientology does not want you to explore other possibilities beyond L. Ron Hubbard?

Haven't you ever asked yourself "what are they so afraid of"?
MikeMercer
MikeMercer
Glenn Dale, MD
37 months ago: "There are numerous self help authors which deliver far more than L. Ron Hubbard and promise far less, haven't you ever wonder why the management of Scientology does not want you to explore other possibilities beyond L. Ron Hubbard?"

What about Yoga? lots of people do yoga these days and it is a kind of meditation.
I wonder how that affects your emeter readings.
Robyn13
Robyn13
Beverly Hills, CA
37 months ago: "humanitarian, L Ron Hubbard. Mr Hubbard "

Humanitarian? Is that what you $cilons call a pathologically lying, egomaniacal, fraudster/conman of the highest order these days?

"The first mental science to subject itself to the most severe validation tests."

WHAT TESTS? Do you think no one will notice the glaring fact that you continue to make these outlandish claims without an iota of proof? Where is the link to these 'tests'? Hmmmm?

"Scientology and it is delivered by the most sociopathic people on the planet - Scientologists. "

Fixed it for you.

An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: Yeah that humanitarian angle is pretty comical.

Have a member of Scientology tell a staff member they would like to purchase an E-Meter, then have them tell that staff member they found one on-line which they plan to purchase few a few hundred dollars.

Just sit back and watch that humanitarianism go into action, as you stand between the Church of Scientology as a dollar.

An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: Instead of encouraging and helping their fellow human to save a few thousand dollars, they will condemn their own members for standing in between the Church of Scientology and any money they can squeeze from the public.
37 months ago: I'm curious why the "Church" of $cientology has done so much to attack psychiatry, but has chosen to not do anything to curb a very prevalent chemical used in modern psychiatry and pharmacology. Dihydrogen monoxide is used by psychiatrists as part of a treatment regimen for everything from depression to schizophrenia to attention deficit disorder. Hell, it's part of my daily routine. Breakfast, vitamins, and dihydrogen monoxide. I feel better instantly. I even take some with lunch and dinner.

The FDA does very little to regulate it's sale and in no way restricts access to it through prescription, so anyone can get some for cheap. Just the other day I walked into a store and saw an entire shelf stocked with bottles filled with dihydrogen monoxide. Will the "Church" of $cientology try and limit my access to dihydrogen monoxide? I want to know what their official stance is upon it! Hell, even what their members think of it!

Scientology can do nothing to stop it, because dihydrogen monoxide is a wonderful chemical. Just the other day, a friend of mine was having an anxiety attack, called up his shrink, and was told to fill a glass with water and take some dihydrogen monoxide. He felt better and calmed down. Now both he and I, to maintain perfect mental health, consume large quantities of it every day. It really does make us feel great.

So what of it, Jack? Terryeo? Even FrankG? You going to try and take away my dihydrogen monoxide? What are YOUR thoughts on this wonderful chemical?
37 months ago: "What can be found in Scientology books is a new slant on life that will change this society.
In 100 years "psychiatry" will be found only in dictionaries and Scientology wll be used by the majority of people on Earth."- Frank G

LOL, I love fiction too!!!
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: Anonymous Voice

Now you have gone too far, I take great offense at you defaming such a fine drug as dihydrogen monoxide, with out it marvels, millions of people around the world would not be able to make it through their stress filled days, possibly even leading to their death.
37 months ago: Dear "An Observer",
Yes, take a lot of H2O!
There are also places where you can find a lot of H2O mixed with NaCl. All the Anons should go there and sail off....
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: FrankG,

Why would we want all the Anons to 'sail off'?

They provide a valuable service on the internet.

They warn people about the dangers of the cults and how they prey on unsuspecting individuals, and they provide this service free of charge.

Why would you want to get rid of such a valuable public service?
37 months ago: FrankG, just know that someday you're going to look around you and realize that something, many things, just aren't right about Scientology.

If the CofS is really expanding, why are the buildings empty?

If there really are 10 million or more followers worldwide, why can the CofS only manage a few thousand attendees at the major events?

If OT9 thru 15 really are going to give "Super Power" to Scientologists, why can it only be administered in one building in Clearwater, FL? And why has this building not been completed after years of regging and "donations" to complete it, while Davey MisCabbage sails the high seas, and rides his Ducati with his best boy pal, the Cruiser?

If Super Power is real, wouldn't the church want to get the tech into the hands of as many OTs as possible to speed the clearing of the planet?

Why does everyone lie about their wins, including yourself, in order not to upset the status quo? Why does it seem that everyone else is experiencing gains you still haven't seen for yourself, but have been faking in hopes that the next tape, lecture, or level will finally make it all work out?

Xenu wants you to know that you're welcome to come out of the cult any time you want, and he'll welcome you with open arms, and no need to bring your Visa or Mastercard.

Hail Xenu!
37 months ago: Dangerranger, thank you for your interest. I hope you will understand and not take offense if I don't want to talk about cartoons etc. I am mainly interested in Scientology and in clearing the planet.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: Jack,

Let me see if I get this straight, you're okay playing with playdough and clay, but when it comes to cartoons, you draw the line?
37 months ago: Nice pun.
37 months ago: Thanks for the response Jack and I repsect that.
37 months ago: Why are so many people wasting time here? Take a step back and obvious troll because obvious, he's well researched and clever, though. Read the post, have a laugh, but don't deign to comment and give this troll the attention he certainly does not deserve. It's a waste of time to argue or point at all the fallacies and outright lies.

I wasted enough time posting on his last two rants, not going to do that again.

Jack H Remington: Good rant. It amused me much. ;P
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
37 months ago: EngramsRUs

What you consider wasting time, I consider entertainment, the same can be asked Why do so many people watch TV? So what if Jack is a troll? It sure beats watching Cable News or Reality TV for a little Entertainment
MikeMercer
MikeMercer
Glenn Dale, MD
37 months ago:
It is obvious that moments of trauma leave a mark on a person that includes reactions to similar stimulus that the person reacts to irrationally. Meaning a person develops phobias, twitches and visceral reaction to the things that caused the trauma. This has always been known. It is apparent to anyone who has ever raised a kid or owned a dog.
It is true that a person exploring these events by talking to someone about them can be helpful. This is called psychotherapy it was developed by Sigmund Freud in the 1880s.
Hubbard stole from Freud.
Hubbard stole from a German book titled “Scientologie”
Hubbard incorporated elements of Buddhism.
Hubbard filled it all out with his own poor science fiction.
That is what some people believe.

-or-

Some career con-man from Nebraska discovered how to cure all human problems and will show you how for only $400,000
That is what some others believe.
37 months ago: Medicine is necessary. But psychiatry's "treatment" doesn't rest on science. It doesn't have Xrays that show one person has Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome and the next person has some other "mental disorder". There are no physical tests that show mental disorder.

You could have someone with half a brain and a test would show him with half a brain. And you would expect him to be less than fully functional.

But there are no tests to place a person, none that say Person A has this mental disorder. And Person B has that mental disorder.
37 months ago: Of course, the brain is not what controls the person. It is nothing more than a shock absorber for electrical impulses. When people lose parts of their brains, the functioning that they 'lost' can, with Dianetics, be recovered without restoring those parts of the brain.

Think about it. When you go exterior, you don't need your brain to think. You don't bring your lungs with you, and you don't bring your liver with you, and you don't bring your brain with you. These are all just organs.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
37 months ago: I don't support the outdated practices of psychiatry but by ageeing with Scientology that presumes having total patentship of the mind & spirit this can be aligned with how psychiatry can presume being the only solution for the mind.
It can be like two evils competing for the turnover of clients.
Once in Scientology one no lomger has democratic freedoms & can be lablled treacherous or an enemy for the basic democratic right of disagreeing with whatever Hubbard may have spoke or wrote.
On the other side if a psychiatrist can label someone insane their business has the only ear of governments & judges as being presumed the only authority of the mind.
This is dangerous.
It is a pity Scientology became such an arrogant undemocratic institution acting in many situations like pigs than having compassion.
Maybe they believe that the compassion of Jesus was too low on their tone scale.
They behave too much like a master race of thetans with contempt for people not agreeing with them.
37 months ago: "Think about it. When you go exterior, you don't need your brain to think. You don't bring your lungs with you, and you don't bring your liver with you, and you don't bring your brain with you. These are all just organs."

Scientology fails at biology and life.

You need your brain to think. What else would you use to think, your knee caps?

If you don't have your lungs, you can't breathe, and you die.

If you don't have your liver, your body will shut down and die.

These organs keep you alive. You need them. Your logic fails.

If you are suggesting that you don't need these organs then this is just plain stupidity. I mean, has a human ever lived a meaningful life without a brain? Come on. You need a brain. No debate.
37 months ago: Dear Moneen,
This is the key question!
Are we speaking about the spirit of man or the body of man?
The body to survive need air, water, food, brain, lungs etc etc.
The spirit is immortal and does not need anything to exist. It does not need air, water, food, Earth, a universe.
A sprit does not need lungs because it doesn't breathe
A sprit does not need a heart to move blood
While a body is made of "matter, energy, space and time" a spirt is not matter or energy and is in a space and time just by consideration.
37 months ago: Ahhhh, yes Dangerranger, it is a strange and foreign idea, is it not? All of the arguments you pose about needing a brain to think hold together well except:

You need organs to keep you alive. -- Yes, you need organs to keep a body alive, no argument whatsoever. But, are you your body? Or are you something quite different and independent of your body? You make the argument that you are your body. Fine, good, have a nice day.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
37 months ago: The spirit & mind is not the sole proprietory of Scientology or psychiatry.
Psychiatry anyway has no real concern with the spirit.
It is enough having a concept of a God having sole proprietory of the spirit, mind & body that in effect crucified the right of each individual having the sole proprietory of their spirit, mind & body as their own right.
A need to captitalize on the mind is both the purpose of scientology & psychiatry whilst scientology like any other religion seeks to also capitalize on the spirit.
The body is capitalized on by the gigantic research & development business of a medical purpose.
The bottom line is always about position & possession captivating people in the labour & consumer markets of the world.
I don't believe that the real mission of Jesus has yet been understood.

Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
37 months ago: The spirit & mind is not the sole proprietory of Scientology or psychiatry.
Psychiatry anyway has no real concern with the spirit.
It is enough having a concept of a God having sole proprietory of the spirit, mind & body that in effect crucified the right of each individual having the sole proprietory of their spirit, mind & body as their own right.
A need to captitalize on the mind is both the purpose of scientology & psychiatry whilst scientology like any other religion seeks to also capitalize on the spirit.
The body is capitalized on by the gigantic research & development business of a medical purpose.
The bottom line is always about position & possession captivating people in the labour & consumer markets of the world.
I don't believe that the real mission of Jesus has yet been understood.

37 months ago: "But, are you your body?"

Yes, your body is made up of cells that contain DNA that tell you who you are. If your a person who likes to take risks a lot, its probably because you have a gene that encourages the release of adrenaline or makes you respond greater too it.

If you don't have your organs, then you don't have life, and then your spirit is gone.

Therefore, you need your body to have yourself.

So STFU.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
37 months ago: It doesn't take a genius to breed a body into existence.
Evidence of this is human nature that places all of nature out of balance with itself through the overbreeding 7 destructiveness of human nature.
This is a generality because some of human nature are concerned with the very bad condition of this planet.
It is easy to breed bodies into existence through simple sexual intercourse.
However how the origins of bodies & life was originated requires a proper answer instead of the stupid notion of some Divine right to do as it pleased of a God always conveniently taken as a "good" lord male.
Also the stupid notion of life originally having the intelligence of having formulated its own design & plan through evolution is just as ridiculous as any notion of one God.
How about a democratic agreement through spirit to have conceived the competition & conflict of life.
It required some kind of spiritual plan for the on going procreation of existence not though that which was devised through whom hijacked such plan in the image of males to have conveniently made females subservient to them.
Not even idiots are buying into such outdated story anymore.
Yes the spirit requires the body to have a life by experiencing through the senses of the body the lifetime of each person.
These experiences become the mind of the person which is of the spirit whilst the brain remains of the inherant genetic mind of whatever family design.
Psychiatry seems to prefer the evoltion theory making out that people are only bodies & this is dangerous.
Scientology plays a God through Hubbard wanting sole proprietoryship of the spirit & mind according to them.
People who play a God are outdated presumptions of a divine right to rule of kings, dictators & thugs.



MikeMercer
MikeMercer
Glenn Dale, MD
37 months ago: Well the good folks running this board asked us to lay off. I did for a while but i guess we are back at it.

Hey, did everyone see how the scientology thugs beat that kid in nashville?

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/283-usa-central-mountain/fact-summary-assault-protester-nashville-ideal-org-grand-opening-25-04-09-a-45205/#post859632

Local news did two stories on it; one pro-scientology and then they did some research and did one anti-scientology.
Paid off cops, infiltrated goverments, infiltrated schools; that what scientology gives you.
MikeMercer
MikeMercer
Glenn Dale, MD
37 months ago: Here's a link to the news story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvHpFtjNg_c

37 months ago: memememe, is that you Gregory Hall?

Hail Xenu (and Seth)!!
36 months ago: Some of us look around and think that things could be a little better. Both personally, and in general. But some of us look around and think things are just fine the way they are, in fact, (think some people), if only everyone were a little less able, a little less cheerful, a little less emotionally stable, then I (number one) -- would be better off because I (number one) would be more powerful than everyone else.

To whom does Scientology appeal, take a guess.

Who rails against a Church, where you have to walk in the door, have to make a donation, have to like those results and have to make yet another donation, to continue? Who?
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
36 months ago: Religion & churches are to my mind scripts for converts to behave & act & have how they are scripted.
The policies & Tech of Hubbard are also scripts & his converts are scripted to behave, act & have how they are scripted.
People need directors so that they can play their parts.
Saving or clearing the planet are how converts are scripted & directed.
I suppose it gives them something to do.
Its a very old game & politicians play it well.
I for my part go by my own scripts under my own direction but then sheep can't do this as are required been shepherded.
Our father who are in heaven & all that jazz.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
36 months ago: Religion & churches are to my mind scripts for converts to behave & act & have how they are scripted.
The policies & Tech of Hubbard are also scripts & his converts are scripted to behave, act & have how they are scripted.
People need directors so that they can play their parts.
Saving or clearing the planet are how converts are scripted & directed.
I suppose it gives them something to do.
Its a very old game & politicians play it well.
I for my part go by my own scripts under my own direction but then sheep can't do this as are required been shepherded.
Our father who are in heaven & all that jazz.
36 months ago: Terry, why do you assume your critics want the world to be a bad place? Many of the people within the Church of Scientology, pretty much the rank and file, are good, hard working, dedicated people who want to make things better. No one is saying they're bad people.

It's the ones at the top. The leaders, the administrators, the rule makers. They have turned the Church of Scientology into the Corporation of Scientology, focusing every aspect of its existence upon making money for the people at the top! You're not saving the world, you're not making it a better place, you're not doing ANY of that. All you do is perpetuate a draconian system of brainwashing and indoctrination that isolates people from the REAL world.

How are you saving the world by isolating yourselves into the Orgs? How can you save the world by calling everyone who isn't a Scientologist a wog, a degraded being, that we're all insane?

It's not a donation if its mandatory. Then its a fee, a cost of business, a price tag. If you really wanted to save the world, make the tech free for all to use and study. Prove that its not about money. But Miscavige won't do that, will he? In fact, he's forced people to rebuy the entirety of the tech, even people who were trained and audited by Hubbard HIMSELF!!!

Miscavige has squirreled the tech, he's changed it and called Hubbard an idiot and the CoS has applaueded him and thanked him for corrupting your precious tech.

I speak for no one but myself, but I only want for you all to be free. You can not be free in the Church of Scientology, not when every act, every decision, every thought is dictated and controlled by the OSA, Sea Org, and David Miscavige. You're as free as George Winston, content to blindly accept your slavery because it promises you the world and delivers nothing.
36 months ago: Terry, why do you assume your critics want the world to be a bad place? Many of the people within the Church of Scientology, pretty much the rank and file, are good, hard working, dedicated people who want to make things better. No one is saying they're bad people.

It's the ones at the top. The leaders, the administrators, the rule makers. They have turned the Church of Scientology into the Corporation of Scientology, focusing every aspect of its existence upon making money for the people at the top! You're not saving the world, you're not making it a better place, you're not doing ANY of that. All you do is perpetuate a draconian system of brainwashing and indoctrination that isolates people from the REAL world.

How are you saving the world by isolating yourselves into the Orgs? How can you save the world by calling everyone who isn't a Scientologist a wog, a degraded being, that we're all insane?

It's not a donation if its mandatory. Then its a fee, a cost of business, a price tag. If you really wanted to save the world, make the tech free for all to use and study. Prove that its not about money. But Miscavige won't do that, will he? In fact, he's forced people to rebuy the entirety of the tech, even people who were trained and audited by Hubbard HIMSELF!!!

Miscavige has squirreled the tech, he's changed it and called Hubbard an idiot and the CoS has applaueded him and thanked him for corrupting your precious tech.

I speak for no one but myself, but I only want for you all to be free. You can not be free in the Church of Scientology, not when every act, every decision, every thought is dictated and controlled by the OSA, Sea Org, and David Miscavige. You're as free as George Winston, content to blindly accept your slavery because it promises you the world and delivers nothing.
36 months ago: It never ceases to amuse me. Anonymous Voice, you misunderstand and misstate situations very poorly.

"How are you saving the world by isolating yourselves into the Orgs?" -- big misstatement.

"It is the people at the top .. who have turned the Church of Scientology into a money making cooperation to profit themselves" -- big misstatement.

"Miscaviage has squirreled the tech" -- big misstatement.

While it is nearly impossible to respond to such a list of misunderstanding, I'm willing to point out the most basic element of it, and this is only personal opinion. "Spiritual" is a word that represents an idea. That word has been part of mankind's vocabulary for a very long time. So, you see, when Hubbard says; "Man is a spiritual being, motivating a human body", he is not telling you what you are. He is not directing an attack at you, personally. He doesn't mean that you must accept the words he wrote. Instead, he is presenting an idea. You would have to make the effort to first understand the word "spiritual". A common dictionary would help. A Scientology Technical dictionary would fine tune the idea. And then you could understand the most basic foundation of the Church of Scientology. Which, actually, is meant to "spiritually rehabilitate" mankind. Good luck with understanding the situation.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
36 months ago: Only converts to Scientology care what Hubbard spoke & wrote.
They take him as their only source of reference for the mind & of the spirit.
I prefer people who are of their own source of reference for their own mind & own spirit not creating such a divisive controvesy as does Scientology.
Scientology makes alot of enemies through its presumptions & arrogance
36 months ago: Terryeo, you know that your religion is having problems when you have to define "spiritual."

Next, you will have to define "Love", "Forgiveness" and "Happiness."
36 months ago: My religion is having problems because people don't understand the words it uses? Well then, I guess it is a good thing that Galileo defined "telescope" for us, else none of us would know how to view the difference between a planet and a star.
36 months ago: "My religion is having problems because people don't understand the words it uses?"

When you have to state to the general public your definition to words like "spiritual," then yes, you have issues.

The Spirit goes hand and hand with religion, so if you have to go on an internet forum and devote a paragraph to defininig "spiritual," you are in poor shape.

The reason for this is that the spirit is a universal concept, the idea of having an inner energy or force that cannot be seen but still exists.

When a religion, which is a system based on spiritual philosophy, has to go out of its way to explain the public what is "spiritual," then it is having issues.

It is not the peoples fault that they don't understand your relgion's view of the spirit. Its your fault for not being clear on a subject that should be absolutley clear.
MikeMercer
MikeMercer
Glenn Dale, MD
36 months ago: " guess it is a good thing that Galileo defined "telescope" for us"

Telescopes work. Dianetics does not. Clears and OTs get sick just like the rest of us. In fact they seem to have a pretty high suicide rate.
Also, legitimate spiritual traditions judge a person's spiritual growth based on compassion, generosity and other virutes they all respect. By these standards a "good" scientologist is grossly inferior to the normal person.

"A tree is known by it's fruit." What is the fruit of scientology? Thieft, treason, murder, kinnapping, fraud, extortion; this is what L. Ron Hubbard brought to the world.
36 months ago: Terryeo, you are undoubtably the poorest debater in existence:

You failed to address a single issue I raised up, simply calling them "misstatements" without any further mention.

Not once in the ENTIRETY of that post did I use the word spiritual. In fact, Moneen was the ONLY person to EVER use the word "Spiritual" before you went off on a tangential rant about the definition of the word "spiritual". You are so big on definitions, maybe you should word clear "debate" so you can properly engage in it.

I say again, and stand by, all of my previous claims. I will continue to do so until you address them, but I know you can't because L. Ron Hubbard said "always attack, never defend" and you aren't allowed to think for yourself or do anything that the tech explicitly permits you to do. You are a slave to the tech and dictates of LRH, and the Bridge to Total Freedom has enslaved you.
36 months ago: My (as of current, UNREFUTED) claims:

You falsely claim to be saving the world, but the Church of Scientology has not once ever engaged in true charity. Going to places and handing out flyers and giving lectures is not charity. Food drives, donations of supplies, medical aid, providing manual labor, these are charitable acts. Trying to exploit a disaster as a recruiting event is downright despicable and is standard practice for the Church of Scientology. You isolate yourselves in your Orgs and Missions, looking down upon the "wog" world. You do no good for anyone but yourselves.

The COB, David Miscavige, has squirreled the tech. He has made changes and introduced policies and released documents that were NOT how LRH did them. He invalidated auditing done by LRH himself!! If that is not squirreling the tech, then WHAT IS????

He lies to your faces, he beats and abuses his staff, and he has turned LRH's dream into a money grubbing, profit obsessed corporation that hides behind "religion" to gain tax exemption and squeeze even more from its followers. CoS is more concerned with its profits and "stats" than it is on actually helping its own followers, let alone the rest of the world.

Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
36 months ago: U cannot buy spiritual freedom from who is not spiritually free.
U cannot buy ethics from who is unethical.
U cannot buy salvation from who is not saved.
U cannot buy truth from a liar.
U cannot buy God from who is not God.
Alot of things are sold on this world by persons not in the least qualified to sell what others buy into their fraud.
I suppose willing seller willing buyer but when the democratic rights of people are violated then it is time to protect the gullible & those abused.
36 months ago: Gosh. Here I state rather simple, easy to understand things. Scientology is a philosophy. It is a sort of knowledge in an area. The area is spiritual.

Therefore the philosophy is placed before the public by a Church.

But it is not something where I argue and brow beat and control you until you bow your head in submission and walk peacefully into Scientology's fold. Your parents might have attempted to do that. To make you a "good citizen", to push you toward good grades, to force you into a good position in society.

Scientology does not do that. The information is available to you. But you would have to reach for it, to gain it.

Debate? Why bother? I simply know what I know and you know what you know.
Sell you salvation? Nope, someone is misinforming you.
Buy God? -never.

Scientology is information, a written and spoken philosophy. Ignore it if you choose to. Understand it if you wish to. I find it helpful, quite helpful.
36 months ago: @TerryEO

A philosophy that is copyrighted? Information that is safeguarded by trademark and distributed with a licensing fee? Why has the Religious Technology Center filed numerous lawsuits against those who have tried to use L Ron Hubbard's tech without their permission? Why has the Freezone been targeted with harassment for trying to use the tech separate from the watchful gaze of the Church of Scientology?

Of course the Church of Scientology exerts control over you and its other members. Are you free to criticize any of the administration of the RTC? of the CoS? Are you free to openly disagree with anything David Miscavige says or does? Is it possible for him, or any other member of the RTC, to make a mistake? And can anyone bring that mistake to their attention?

Or are you afraid to speak out because you'll be placed into the RPF? subjected to sec checks? accused of harboring crimes against Scientology?

If the information is so readily available, why are there costs to access it? Why does the "Church" offer refunds for those not satisfied? That implies a cost, not a donation. And what's the cost to regain my powers as an immortal spiritual being? $350,000. Sounds like selling salvation to me.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
36 months ago: I believed when I joined Scientology that it was a type of psychology.
I did not like how it changed alot of its wording to accommodate itself as a religion.
I did not like its crucifix or however else the symbol was defined.
I did not like how everyone in Scientology started to become paranoiac about SP's and how disconnection was practised.
It was like becoming part of a witch hunt against people looking for SP's everywhere.
It became full of types of people who enjoyed powers of a police force looking for people to pick on.
They always spoke about ethics & one could only agree with Scientology not in an own way but how Hubbard wrote & spoke how they must disseminate Scientology only according to him.
It became how the mind became totally occupied with Scientology.
It in fact became so so boring but underlying the boredom was a terror to stay loyal, obedient in service & dutiful to Hubbard & scientology.
This not unlike a military force with how a conscript can be held up for treason & being an enemy for whatever offence.
It reminded me later of Hitler as a little corporal having become leader of the 3rd Reich armed forces or Idi Amin with all his medals also a former sergeant who became head of the armed forces of Uganda & all of those tin pot dictaors of South America & Africa etc not qualified to hold their positions.
This with Hubbard having made himself commodore of his own little navy.
I suppose when converts keep paying & donating money then the leader of the following can make his dreams come true.
After leaving Scientology I was so glad to read all of the lies Hubbard told about his life before Scientology & how reactive he was because then I began to realize how so really human he was & far from the God that his grand illusion with the help of his followers including myself had made him.


36 months ago: Dianetics was presented as a kind of therapy, but was not presented as psychology. Scientology has been presented since the word was first uttered in public lecture in 1952, as a religion. It has never been presented as a kind of psychology.

It is possible someone mis-informed you. If so, you could continue to hang onto your misinformation, or avail yourself of the actual information. That's up to you Moneen. Of course.

The word "Scientology" says it is about knowledge. It ends with -ology. As biology and psychology end. But the "Scien-" part of the word means knowledge. The word intends to communicate "a study of knowledge", or "how to know fully", or "how to best know". A study toward knowing fully, with confidence.

Still, what you know is always up to you.
36 months ago: Anonymous Voice. Hey man, no need to worry yourself into a Tizzy over things beyond your control. The information it self is contained in books and lectures. Public Libraries often contain a fair education, contain 18 or more of the books. Other books and lectures are available for purchase at reasonable publication costs.

However, should you feel the urge to improve yourself, or to become more able to help other people improve their lives, the Church of Scientology teaches courses. And you find you are with other, like minded people also. Those are about how to fully learn and apply the philosophy. Your choice.
36 months ago: Terryeo, you spend your DAYS AND NIGHTS trolling forums. Is that how Scientology improves people's lives?
How dilusional can you get?
36 months ago: Terryeo has an AWESOME life.
If anyone belives that, I have a bridge to sell you.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
36 months ago: I used to inform people about Scientology in a similar way that Terryeo still does but that is because I entered into Scientology 50 years ago.
The word Scientology was originally coined by philotogist Alan Upward in 1907 before Hubbard was born.
He coined the word as a synonym for a "pseudoscience".
In 1934 when Hubbard was 22 an Argentine German writer Anastasius Nordenholz published a book "Scientologie: Wissenschaff von der Beschaffenheit und der Tauglichheit des Wissens " or Science of the Constitution & Usefulness of Knowledge. A book of the Study of Conciousness.
In 1952 Hubbard stated that his definition of Scientology knowing how to know (Scio Logos) would be a study of knowledge.
In the 1965 edition of Fundamentals of Thought, Hubbard added that Scientology is that branch of psychology which treats or embraces human ability. He stated that it is an extension of Diantetics which is itself an extension of old time faculty psychology of 400 years ago.


36 months ago: Birds can fly, Fish can swim.
Understand the difference, fit right in.

Fish can swim, Birds can fly.
Without understanding, Life is pie in the sky.
35 months ago: ^^^WTF does this even mean?

Are trying to rebuttal his argument with a nonsensical rhyme?

Is thise what the tech teaches you? To confront logical arguments with lyrical rhymes???

IS THE TECH SUPPOSED TO MAKE YOU LOOK CRAZY?
35 months ago: Hmmm another Scientologist has just committed suicide by jumping off the Bixby bridge in Ca.
Steve Brackett was OTV.
Just another example that the tech does not work. Scientology is telling it's members that he had a car crash. SAD!
What "church" hides information like this?
The hiker and police who found him would disagree. It was reported in the newwspaper. Scientologists, pick up a paper fro cripes sake!
They also said he had money problems. wow, how does a multi million dollar contractor end up with such money problems?
Perhaps it was the 1 million dollars he gave to COS or all the money he dumped into the Super Power Building in Fla.

Rest in peace Steve, you died trying to climb Scientology's bridge, only to find it went nowhere. They can't hurt you any more.

This is SO sad, how many more victims will there be before the governmnet steps in and puts a stop to all this nonsense?
35 months ago: Don't forget, Jason Beghe was an OT until he broke his leg in a car accident. OT's aren't supposed to get in accidents, they're supposed to be "at cause" over matter and energy.

When he brought this up they suggested that he broke his leg because he knew a homosexual man.
Louanne
Louanne
Los Angeles, CA
33 months ago: Jack H Remington is a troll, not a scientologist. He utterly fails to trick a real Scientology member.

- L
33 months ago: I totally agree. "Terryeo" is also a fake Scientologist.
33 months ago: Louanne and Cary are well known scientology shills paid to go around and promote scientology articles.

Sounds pretty religious to me.
33 months ago: We have agreement and disagreement, confusion and chaos.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
33 months ago: We can agree to disagree & agree when agreement exists.
We don't though require being agreeable to whom cannot tolerate disagreement with them.
To my mind only the insane believe that they are always right & cannot be wrong or whom they follow or support are always right & can never be wrong

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