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Scientology invades Baptist convention

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A Cincinnati Baptist Church held a convention on mental and physical health this weekend in Cincinnati. Churches such as this one are increasingly providing conventions such as this to bring in doctors and mental health councilors who can talk with their parishioners and test them or advise them on health issues. In today's economy and many increasingly going without medical benefits, events such as this may be their only way to meet with health professionals at no cost and receive advice and information that could lead them to affordable care.

What started as a simple function to help those who seeking care turned into a strange comic like event involving cultist infiltrators into the convention who were then followed by a mysterious group of masked protesters who came to warn the convention goers against the menace that walked among them.

While the parishioners of the church came into the convention center seeking advice and to learn about important health issues from medical professionals, another group of people came slinking in behind them with a separate agenda. Sporting clipboards with questionnaires and pink flyers railing against psychiatry and the medical industry, Scientologists came in seeking the names and phone numbers of those attending the convention. But you wouldn't hear from them that they were out recruiting for the so called "Church" of Scientology, a non christian cult that is in direct competition with the Baptist Church as well as against many forms of medical treatment and all forms of psychiatric treatment. Revelations of who they really were would come later when those who gave out their information were invited into their "org" building and struck with a high pressure sales pitch that would put them on the path to changing from Baptists to Scientologists.

Convention security caught the soliciting Scientologists and threw them out multiple times before another group showed up, a masked group of protesters known as Anonymous. The Baptists were at first concerned their convention was being targeted. However the Baptist Church representative in charge of the convention came out to speak to the protesters to find out why they were outside wearing masks and learned the real reason they were there... to warn the Baptists that the people with the clipboards and pink flyers were there to try to lure them into the Cult of Scientology. The representative was quite upset to find out they were being targeted and moved quickly to announce over the loudspeaker system to everyone inside to avoid giving personal information to the Scientologists and that they were non Christian cult members trying to poach Baptist membership with fake questionnaires and "personality" tests. The warning given to all, the Anonymous protesters moved back to protesting the Scientology cult building a block away.

This kind of infiltration of medical based conventions by Scientology cult members is nothing new and plays out in many major cities across the US, often unbeknownst to those running the events. Thankfully many citizens are using their power of free speech and anonymity to come out and face down the cultists and to warn those who are running these helpful events that they are being lied to by the cultist recruiters who come in under the guise of providing their own form of "help".

So if you or your church are going to be running one of these conventions, beware of infiltrators bearing clip boards and who are evasive about who they are or simply claim they are there to talk about "Dianetics". Beef up your security and screening and involve law enforcement to remove the Scientology recruiters in case you need to get an injunction to keep them off the premises in the future.
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16 months ago: This cult's deception disgusts me.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
16 months ago: The irony of this situation is if non-Scientologist did this at one of Scientology's events. They would go into full security overload trying to stop it, and regardless of how successful they were in stopping it, everyone of the non-Scientologists would be labeled as a terrorist by them and investigated. But somehow the same religious freedoms Scientology so vehemently preaches about do not apply to religions other than Scientology
16 months ago: Well said.
GaryDM
GaryDM
New York, NY
16 months ago: Why attack an organization that is providing information to enable individuals to make an informed choice? If anything the George Bush administration taught Americans that those in power use the media to control information.

The Latest Videos link at Citizens Commission on Human Rights' website provides information never reported in the media -- which was paid $5.6 Billion in 2008 by drug companies to promote psych drugs.

CCHR was started in 1968 by the Church of Scientology and a very respected psychiatrist to provide information that was being hidden from the public.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
16 months ago: GaryDM,

I also wonder why Scientology attacks individuals that are providing information to enable other individuals to make an informed choice? If you ever find an answer please let me know.

It seems the organization of Scientology is quite proficient and disseminating information against anything and everything which does not fall in line with the beliefs of Sceintology, and they seem to be just as proficient at stifling and criticizing anyone disseminating information which goes against the goals of Sceintology's management. You can't have it both ways and expect to be taken seriously be anyone without your agenda
16 months ago: It`s not like the media never reported about this valuable information that the CCHR provides on it website.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/17/scientologists-blame-psyc_n_167611.html
16 months ago: "I also wonder why Scientology attacks individuals that are providing information to enable other individuals to make an informed choice? If you ever find an answer please let me know."

Hello, Scientologist! I say you are because you're the only one who thinks an informed choice is made between a legitimate medical screening and an invading cult who have no medical data to back up their claims that the mental health industry isn't science and all people's ills can be cured by paying a lot of money to the Church of Scientology for "auditing."

Scientology was founded by a psychedelic-drug taking Science fiction writer. It's medical "science" of the e-meter has no backing in science and has never been proven to do anything, but Scientologists still call themselves the "authorities on them mind" and call for "the global obliteration of psychiatry." Psychiatrists are responsible, according to their literature, for the Holocaust and 9/11 and constantly rape their patients.

Letting Scientologists into a mental health screening is bit like letting 9/11 deniers into a fundraiser for victim's families. Announcing, "Hey, a bunch of people have come in to discredit medicine with their false claims; please ignore them" is completely fair.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
16 months ago: Hi Nicholas,

maybe I didn't make myself clear enough,

GaryDM asked "why attack an organization that is providing information to enable individuals to make an informed choice?"

I was asking GaryDM why Scientology attacks people who are giving an alternative viewpoint about the tactics Scientology's management uses to silence it's critics.

I was inferring that GaryDM should direct his question to the management of Scientology
16 months ago: Ah, I understand. Sorry, it's Gary that's the Scientologist. My apologies to Observer.
16 months ago: Think about it though, if anyone tried to do this to scientologists, they would have their security and lawyers over you so fast. Come on GaryDM, admit it. If i walked into an org or scientology event trying to give out information taht was anti-scientology, I would have guards all over me in 30 seconds and a lawsuit filed against me the next day.
16 months ago: Also plus, the scientologists there were not handing out info giving the opposite side, they were luring people into their chruch. That is misleading, decietful and unethical.
content
content
Canada
16 months ago: @GaryDM: Thomas Szasz's central theories have been disproved. He lost the respect of most professionals a long time ago. Mental illness do exist and scientology cannot cure them through dianetics. Dianetics and any other quack science has no place in a religious setting where parishioners are seeking sound medical information. Attendees likely feel comfortable, trusting and thus open to suggestion. Is that ethical?
Kevin Owen
Kevin Owen
New Zealand
16 months ago: Anyone for some sound Medical Information??

Psychiatry: No Cures No Science [4 mins]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHu7Ik36128
Psychiatrists openly admitting at the
2006 APA convention that they have
no scientific tests to prove mental illness
and have no cures for these unproven mental illnesses.


Psychosomatic Healing
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/
Handling the stress related to all illness. With a reduction in Mental and Physical Stress comes an improvement in health.
16 months ago: You give us sound medical information by linking us to youtube?!?! Since when has sound medical information come from youtube?!?! Really???

And the site you linked is a scientology site. How can that posibly be an objective source?

http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/drug.addiction.html
"Dianetics was designed as broadly applicable low-cost mental health. It is the only mental technology fully validated by actual test. It is fast. It is effective."

Did you actually think no one would call your bluff and simply copy paste the link into the web browser?

Plus, the argument isn't over if your pseudoscience works, it is over the deceptiveness of scientologists sneaking into a baptist event to lure unsuspecting victims into their church for a sales pitch.
bob dobbs
bob dobbs
Geneseo, NY
16 months ago: Talk about results, another big win for Anonymous. Cheers to them for being humanitarians and friends of mankind by providing correct data about Scientology's attacks on medical science.
16 months ago: Truly unconscionable that an organization trying to claim itself as being "the most ethical people on the planet" would willingly and openly deceive individuals by manipulating their trust and practically lying to them.

Fortunately, there is always Anonymous. You may not know who is behind the mask, but they never hide who they are or why they are there.
Mecca  Anon
Mecca Anon
Clearwater, FL
16 months ago: Posted 9 Hours Ago
dangerranger

"The irony of this situation is if non-Scientologist did this at one of Scientology's events. They would go into full security overload trying to stop it, and regardless of how successful they were in stopping it, everyone of the non-Scientologists would be labeled as a terrorist by them and investigated. But somehow the same religious freedoms Scientology so vehemently preaches about do not apply to religions other than Scientology."

Are you kidding? They would be arrested and accused of planting bombs or or some stupid junk. Walk into a random Scientology public building and announce "I'm with a group called Anonymous," and see what happens. (Really, don't do that. Don't ever do that.)

What is good for Scientology is verboten for anyone else. They don't have a double standard. they have an entire flag section. Wogs are just animals or at best, raw meat anyway. Using their bogus religious cloaking they literally think they can get away with anything.

A fun project might be simply standing on a street corner in Clearwater Florida with a camera, just to see how long before their goons come running out to hassle you.
16 months ago: oh my , oh my , oh my ...gatecrashing an event organised by another church , and trying to do so without being noticed..
How low can you go ...
16 months ago: "Anyone for some sound Medical Information??"

Sure. Looks like these guys actually do some sound medical research on mental disorders:
http://www.stanleyresearch.org/dnn/
16 months ago: Rant author here, adding a few points and corrections that need to be made:

1. I was not at this actual event, I was given this information by others who were with Anonymous and who witnessed the event and talked with the Baptists security and the event organizer.

2. This should have been called a Baptist event, not a convention. The actual Baptist Convention is something else. I used the word convention because this was at the city convention center, but it seems the word is in error and I should have used the word event instead. It is a pity the edit function doesn't allow for an addendum on the bottom of the article for corrections.

3. Baptists have members, not parishioners.

4. I do not know which specific Cincinnati area church organized the event or if it was several working together. I do know they were Baptists. What I do know is that it was for medical information and included mental health information, which is why it was targeted by the Scientologists. I feel that anyone organizing such an event needs to know they will be targeted by the cult for this reason as well as to poach their membership.

5. Again I restate that anyone organizing such an event may wish to get an injunction against Scientology and it's front groups such as the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) to prevent them from crashing their event and soliciting to their members. There are several documented cases of this happening and event organizers need to be aware that they could be targeted.

6. Lastly, I should have mentioned that those who gave out personal information to the Scientologists will probably be hit with telemarketing calls and mounds of junk mail from the Scientologists for the rest of their lives. There is no opt out.
DocAnon
DocAnon
Fort Lauderdale, FL
16 months ago: "Psychiatrists openly admitting at the
2006 APA convention that they have
no scientific tests to prove mental illness
and have no cures for these unproven mental illnesses."

Neurologists on the other hand DO have scientific tests to detect mental illnesses, and usually have patients referred to them for testing in the event of severe psychiatric disorders. There's also no cure for AIDS, cancer, ebola, variant Crutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (that's Mad Cow in humans), multiple sclerosis, influenza and even the common cold (rhinovirus). We have -treatments- for such diseases (maybe not vCJD), and these treatments aid the body in overcoming the disease that science currently cannot, just as psychiatry has treatments for diseases of the mind.

"Handling the stress related to all illness. With a reduction in Mental and Physical Stress comes an improvement in health."

No duh. Not new information to the medical community. Just about every single DO or MD practices with this in mind. The hypothalamus gland (one of the central parts of the endocrine system, which is tied to the cardiovascular and respiratory systems) reacts very strongly to emotional stimuli, such as stress. And since that little gland in your brain controls heart rate, respiration rate, body temperature and a number of other functions through various other glands in the endocrine system, a purely mental problem can very easily translate into serious physical problems. Psychiatry addresses those problems before they reach the stage where your heart is about to pop a coronary artery, or your kidneys are a step from shutting down due to releasing so much adrenaline. Learn medicine before you speak of it, sir. Those of us who actually went through the training and schooling really get irritated when you try to play doctor when you clearly aren't qualified.
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
16 months ago: It is great to hear that scientology is being stopped at so many of these sorts of things. They can't play whack-a-mole with the critics anymore. No more Paulette Coopers.
MikeMercer
MikeMercer
Glenn Dale, MD
16 months ago: They focus on medicine because scavangers prey only on the weak and dying.
Most con-men and scam artists would think Hubbard a monster.
16 months ago: The real issue isn't that the creepy clams want to snare new members, but that they HAVE TO DO SO in a sneaky lying way otherwise no one will give them the time of day...had they remained ON THE STREET walking up to people offering them the personality test with a statement like "Hi, I'm Thalia from the Cincinnati Scientology Organization, I'd like to offer you a free personality test and some information about what we do"....every single person would have walked away from them. THAT is why they have to lie.
16 months ago: So let's see here...

Reporters investigate scientology, now the media is evil.

The navy kicks L. Ron out (for practice firing on inhabited islands) so he makes his own navy (Sea Org).

L. Ron writes to a psychiatry association for help with his mental health and gets no reply, so he declares psychiatry to be evil.

I have a feeling if L. Ron's barber had insulted him scientologists wouldn't cut their hair either.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
16 months ago: MikeMercer,

I don't know what most con-men and scam artists would think of Hubbard, but I do know what most sane people would think of Hubbard ... They would think how could this man possible save anyone from insanity, when he couldn't save himself?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVqN4ivQ_TM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwDKg5K3in8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6P4YV6CfI0


However I do agree with Scientology's view about people being over medicated and pharmaceutical companies having a financial interest in keeping people over medicated.

I will not deny for one minute that I believe the medical industry as a whole has lost it's focus and is now primarily focused on generating profits for Wall St, but this in no way, shape, or form validates Scientology and the tactics used by their management.
16 months ago: This is how scientology handles "stress"/mental illness:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/

Don't ever believe a scientologist when they tell you that dianetics/scientology is compatable with other religions - they say this to get you in the door but the higher up you go (paying through the nose to do so) you will be forced to give up any religion you walked in with.

dianetics/scientology has been around for 50 years and if it truly worked people all over the world would be stepping over each other to join but instead this cults numbers are declining - its a trap, stay free.
16 months ago: Furthering what Commonsense said, when you reach upper OT levels (scientologist speak for the upper ranks of their 'religion') you learn that Jesus, along with large chunks of history, is a fake memory implanted by aliens.

For them, "compatible with all religions" is another way of saying "We can explain away your religion and hope to have you hopelessly brainwashed by the time we tell you that Jesus/God/Buddha/whoever never existed and scientology holds the only answers"
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
16 months ago: There are quite a few people who believe that the psychiatric industry gives out too many drugs that are mortified when you suggest they are associated with the cult of scientology and their front group the Citizen's Commission for Human Rights (CCHR); they see them as the extremists who want "The global obliteration of psychiatry" and believe they have the only answers. They see the cult and CCHR as being like Al-Qaeda is to main stream practitioners of Islam.

The pros and cons of psychiatry are irrelevant. The organisation calling itself the church of scientology teaches and promotes dangerous extremism.
An Observer
An Observer
Garrettsville, OH
16 months ago: DeanFox,

I agree 100%, regardless of what Scientologists claim, their management's goal is is a simple one and is similar to the goal of totalitarian groups such as Al Qaeda and the Taliban, whereas if they had their way, the entire planet would be forced to yield to their ideology without exception.

I have no problem with anyone's religious beliefs or allowing anyone to practice their religion unmolested, but Scientology's self-stated goal is to clear the planet, meaning to clear the planet of non-Scientologists. And we all know that goes well beyond someone's right to practice their religion. Extremism is precisely the opportune word to describe it.

Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
16 months ago: I agree with the prior comment.
Scientology is of a Totalatarian mind.
This is very dangerous.
The only WORD accepted in Scientology are the millions or words that Hubbard wrote & spoke.
These words were of the mind of Hubbard making his followers mini Hubbards.
A person must become totally of the mind of what Hubbard wrote & spoke to be a Scientologist.
This though does not include that mind of Hubbard that remains censored.
16 months ago: Let the $cientologists covertly enter a religious event..it`ll just make more critics of $cientology.Certainly won`t hurt to have decent religions on the critics side. Perhaps they`ll even join anonymous in protesting this vile cult!

$cientologists shoot themselves in the foot on a regular basis.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
16 months ago: To Moneen: first let me say hello to someone from South Africa, you may be aware that the cult is spreading in to various African countries. One hopes to see more awareness campaigns such as those by Anonymous in your country to stop many signing themselves up to slave labor for the cult.

Second, only very few in the organisation really benefit from it aside from the leader (David Miscavige) and those are the ones who have worked out what is going on and prey on other members of the cult - selling them vitamin supplements of getting them to contribute to property deals or scam library deals.

td;lr The scientologists are usually decent people who are victims of the cult; there are also independent scientologists and an organisation known as the "Freezone" who practice scientology but without much of the baggage. The problem is the cult organisation.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
16 months ago: parrotnutz: we've had church of England people in our protests along with Wicca and I believe Catholic too. Not to mention atheists, agnostics and the church of the one.
Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
16 months ago: Scientologists are decent people until they become Scientologists.
Then if anyone dares disagrees with them or dares leaves their organization they become labelled & snubbed.
This does not say much for them being nice people.
Scientology has been established in South Africa since about 1955.
This though was in white South Africa.
Since 1994 anyone can join in democratic South Africa.
Yes I agree Scientology a pyramid scheme serves the very few at the top & the more to the bottom are the very low paid converts of the organization.
I know I have been there & am I glad I'm out.
flourishandprosper
flourishandprosper
Los Angeles, CA
16 months ago: This whole thread is based on something that somebody told some Anonymous guy about something that happened in Cincinnati. Rumors, rumors, rumors.
16 months ago: Flourishandprosper, Someone who parrots the entire works of LRH has no business whatsoever complaining about fact checking. Unless you'd like to explain how dianetics has been around for 50 years with none of these amazing powers materializing.
16 months ago: "This whole thread is based on something that somebody told some Anonymous guy about something that happened in Cincinnati. Rumors, rumors, rumors."

This, coming from a man who defends the religion who spreads rumors that the organization Anonymous is a bunch of cyber terrorists who plant bombs in orgs, mail fake anthrax to orgs, and hate religion. All unsubstaniated claims spread like truth, better known as rumors.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
16 months ago: Moneen, have you visited WhyWeProtest.Com? There needs to be more campaigners raising awareness of the dangers of the cult in South Africa; the cult is pushing for a lot of expansion in South Africa. They see South Africa as a massive untapped resource that the cult wants to plunder. They will offer people passage to other countries, like the USA or UK, but once there they will take their passports and have them working practically as slaves.

Most people in scientology are still decent people, they are just deluded by the cult in to behaving they way they do.
Mecca  Anon
Mecca Anon
Clearwater, FL
16 months ago:
Actually it's
whyweprotest.net
also
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/



Moneen
Moneen
South Africa, Republic of
16 months ago: I will visit the site.
U don't have 2 go to America or Britain to be paid low wages by Scientology.
We have been used to it in South Africa for many generations.
Its like a commission based business u get what u sell.
Not many people can do well in commission only based type of business.
Scientology is not an easy sell.
It has really been the affluent converted who have kept it working.
It is no wonder that Scientology prefers successful converts who have the cash to invest in its purpose.
I was also often nasty when I was in Scientology.
It was really arrogance believing somehow that if we did not rule the world at such time then our day would come.
Anyway much happier out than when I was in.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
16 months ago: Real glad you're out Moneen.

The church of scientology needs to be starved of converts so the corrupt organisation dies.

Yep, only the affluent can really afford to subscribe to the organisation although many run up crushing debts to support it.

The organisation fosters arrogance in its members: public scientologists believe they are superior to non-scientologists; staff believe they are superior to public scientologists and sea org believe they are superior to staff. The organisation does this primarily to further alienate members from the outside world. We're superior (homo novis), we have a secret, we will rule the world.

Pleased to hear you're much happier now too.

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