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Same sex lesbian couple marries in DC

Posted 23 months ago|46 comments|1,990 views
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scotmanster
Tell me what is wrong with this picture? One woman in a dress and one women in a man's suite. Does anyone find this strange? They believe being gay is ok but they take on the role of a man and female in a marriage ceremony? I would say their is a chemical imbalance going on in the brain.

I am not even going to comment about the pastor in the background...
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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Maybe you have a chemical imbalance that prevents you from minding your own business, and causes you to impose your homophobic religious views on the rest of society. You should consider weaning yourself off the biblical opium of intolerance.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Of course that is it it is my religion that is at fault! I should have known Mark you would point that out.

Really drop the religion nutcase part and you look nature and what do you see? Male and female animals bearing young. That is the basis and fundamentals of nature. Now imagine if every animal was gay?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: There's homosexuality in nature, both human and animal.

...Of course that is it it is my religion that is at fault!..

I'm glad you admit it and that's all I expect - honesty. And I do have to admit, I'm kind of like comedian Sam Kinison on the subject of male homosexuality - "How does a guy look at another guy's hairy **** and see love?"

But two fine looking ladies getting it on, and I'm thinking that's mighty nice to watch or even participate with - it's just the way I'm wired. Now these two ladies in the picture - hmm, not really - unfortunately, I'm not into BBWs but beauty is the eyes of the beholder.
amishking
amishking
 Moderator
 Auburn, NY
23 months ago: "Same sex lesbian couple..."

Kind of redundent, no?
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: The first same sex marriage happened to be a lesbian couple. We already know DC passed same sex marriage yes?
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: If you guys want to answer the question of why lesbians and gay men play out roles of one playing the male role and the other play the female role I would very much like to hear what you have to say. I find it very odd behavior so odd it makes me think that being gay is nothing but physical attraction and has little to do with personality attraction. Otherwise why would they want to act out what Heterosexual couples do and act like?
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: "But two fine looking ladies getting it on, and I'm thinking that's mighty nice to watch or even participate with - it's just the way I'm wired."

Glad your showing your true colors.

On the side note homosexuality in nature is extremely rare and I would say 99% of those findings were misdiagnosed for typical young animal behavior acting out what grown wild animals do. It is called dominance behavior in older wild animals. It makes the one animal being mounted feel inferior. Dogs will display this behavior also.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: That is not even counting that it would purposely be misinterpreted in a study to support the whole "being gay is normal look animals do it"....
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: From Medical News and the University of Oslo:

"One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species," explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the "Against Nature's Order?" exhibition.

The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity's closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays an conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals.

"Sex among dwarf chimpanzees is in fact the business of the whole family, and the cute little ones often lend a helping hand when they engage in oral sex with each other."

Lions are also homosexual. Male lions often band together with their brothers to lead the pride. To ensure loyalty, they strengthen the bonds by often having sex with each other.

Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales....see link for more:

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10...

Would be as kind as to enlighten me on your citation for "homosexuality in nature is extremely rare?"

And since you're saying that you believe 99% of these findings are misdiagnosed, perhaps you'd care to cite me your professional Scientific credentials or did you just pull that one out of thin air?

BTW, I won't accept a religious propaganda website as evidence. If you're going to quote something from a Christian Creationist site, we're back to religion as the source for your animus.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: A much more attractive couple is Ellen DeGenres and actress Portia de Rossi.

You can see the wedding pictures at : http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/08/17/...

These are wonderful people and I am glad that they were allowed to marry.

Scott I am sorry if this offends you but all of you religious homophobes have been claiming that if Gay Weddings are allowed, that the institution of marriage will be destroyed. Well Gay marriage is legal in many states and now DC. How has that harmed anyone?

All that it has accomplished is it has allowed many people to happily pledge their love for one another and given them the rights the rest of us received.

I don't see how encouraging people not to be promiscuous has harmed anyone or any institutions. It is good for the individuals involved, good for the kids if any, and good for the country.
23 months ago: Al.

Thanks for the pictures. They're really queer.

You're not listening. I am struggling to teach my children to follow Jesus' teachings except for those teachings they do not like. That is how we ignoramuses are harmed. Period.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: As I said Mark I am in the outdoors 365 days a year and have never seen homosexual behavior in animals. I observe whitetail deer behavior I know what normal animal behavior is from observing them over thousands of hours. The only time a buck will mount another buck if he is young within the family group. When the mothers kick the younger bucks out of the family group to discourage interbreeding. They then form bachelor groups. I have observed bachelor groups that consist of bucks only and they do not mount each other. By that time the antler growth is sufficient enough they start to fight with their horns to show superiority.

I could not find anything about Petter Boeckman marital status so I'm assuming he is either gay or single. Kinda funny being if he was a mainstream zoologist his credentials would be plastered all over the net. But either way believe what you want to believe. You can even fool yourself thinking that homosexuality in nature is normal. You know it isn't and I know it isn't so stop playing silly games.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Another form of behavior that could be thought of homosexuality is a red squirrel will chew the testicles off black and gray squirrels. I am sure you would think it is for sexual gratification when first seeing it but that is not at all what is happening. They do it because to protect their food source.

Just so happens gay rights is a big issue then all of sudden within the last decade you have a wealth of new homosexual behavior findings that have never been documented before. Coincidence?
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
23 months ago: In Nature alpha is always dominant to beta and Gamma.

The alpha in this case is the Lady in men's clothing.

Aside from that, I am happy to see these people find love for each other.

LIVE AND LET LIVE AND HAVE FUN!!!

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: "good for the kids"

I can tell you a story of how it is good for the kids....more about how it has harmed the kids. Either way I have one of those kids living with me that came from a lesbian setting and he is more screwed up than any kid I have known. I am not going to get into it fully because the state is involved...and the custody rights have not been finalized. But Al you have no clue what your talking about...
23 months ago: Don't ask him about the Constitution either.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: ...I could not find anything about Petter Boeckman marital status so I'm assuming he is either gay or single...

That's your rebuttal?! If he was married, I'm sure you'd just claim he was a closeted gay like Republican Senator Ashburn was. Thus we have your twisted pretzel logic that obviates any Science that conflicts with your homophobic religious bias by smearing the Scientists as being gay liars. The ultimate in Ad Hominem and you have the audacity to lecture Al?

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior with cites:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ani...

I don't see whitetail deer on that list and your personal anecdote isn't Science.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: LiveScience.com - Gay Animals: Alternate Lifestyles in the Wild:

http://www.livescience.com/bestimg/index...
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Your proving my point Mark more new behavior about homosexual animals in the last decade than ever heard before in the last thousand years.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: That can readily be explained by religious taboos and superstitions that were far more prevalent in the past - to even contemplate doing such a study in the past would be career suicide. And once again, you're engaging in logical fallacy; what is observed and documented is the evidence. The fact that the data wasn't collected in the past is irrelevant.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: You really shouldn't believe everything you read hook line and sinker it tends to warp your logic. Have you ever seen two same sex animals having sex?
scotmanster
scotmanster
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scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: It is called my personal observation Mark, like I said when you spend countless hours in the wild watching animal behavior and tell me gay animal behavior is happening daily in your backyard and have picture to prove it then you might have a leg to stand on passing off gay behavior in the wild being normal.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Are you pretending you're a Zoologist now and have you personally observed Bonobo Chimpanzees to dispute the observed facts?
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Just answer my question Mark have you ever seen the homosexual behavior yourself with your own eyes? I'm not talking a photoshoped image either that are viral all over the net either getting passed of as legitimate homosexual animal behavior.
scotmanster
scotmanster
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scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Not sure if you ever had the chance to watch that show were the guy saves chimps. Well they are very aggressive animals. So aggressive that they will actually kill a female chimp easily by overpowering them. Stands to reason any chimp in a zoo is confined into male a female groups. Could explain abnormal behavior because if the chimps only see a female when they needed to mate them then it would make for some unrealistic and biased findings that are compounded by the cages they are kept in. You are pretty much forcing male chimps to get their sexual gratification by abnormal means..

Seeings how you like fetishes Mark can I lock you up with another man for the rest of your life and see what sexual gratification you will revert too? I am just being hypothetical and all..
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Scot, you remind me of this forestry guy who bashed me over the head with his hysterical claims that man-made global warming was true and the planet is on the verge of imminent collapse because HE worked in the forest and knew it by personal observation. Sorry but living in nature 24/7 and citing anecdotal evidence doesn't make one a credible expert in the subject at hand. The fact that you personally haven't seen corroborating evidence of animal homosexual behaviors, or conversely the forest man saw warming in the forest doesn't mean squat.

I'll grant you that Science can be corrupted by those with either an ideological or theological axe to grind. So the key for me is multile sources and experts, raw observational data, and documentation. As for objectivity, I have no personal stake in this debate other than let's find ground truth. I don't have a pernicious religious idelogy that requires me to damn homosexuality nor am I homsexual and needing some kind of evidence to support my orientation.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...

And please, give me something more than claims of a vast conspiracy to doctor up evidence in order to poo poo on the religious right's animus against homosexuality.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Nor does it make you a antedoctal expert by running quick and using Google to find your answers for every debate. Alot of misinformation on the net and people take it at fact. Seeings how your quoting sources is this the first time you ever read the authors views? You have no clue of their background who they are or their qualifications, you know me personally or from what I write.

Seeings how you think my conclusion are religious as you stated right off the bat, you discount everything I say and everything every religious person says here on RR? Just look at all your replies on this forum add them all up and what does it show? Alot of religious hate from what I seen. Just showing you are some sort of anti-religion bigot.

But the fact is I never brought up religion you all did.

You never answered my question so I am assuming you never personally seen homosexual behavior in animals. Well guess what neither have I and neither have billions of other people! Nor have 99.9% of wildlife ecology books of the past documented it. I personally have not read about it in a post graduate level ecology book. Maybe I am not reading the right books one might say? Just so happens in the last few years the gay rights movement has reached its max and with that comes propaganda, fake pictures, hoaxes. So it is no sweat off my back if you don't believe me.

What you remind me of Mark is that gay man knocking down that little lady because he does not like her views. But guess what Mark don't worry you have a whole clan of mentally disturbed people behind you backing you up.

Like to see a study done of how many gay men and women actually had to get help from a shrink because they were torn about homosexuality. I can tell you what I know two homosexuals personally and seen them having mental break downs and having to schedule a visit with the shrink weekly. Not because of what I said because back then I believed it was your personal choice. You all pretend to know what that lifestyle is all about but you all really have no clue.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: I've had the pleasure of working in the country of Armenia for a couple of years and I can tell you I never witnessed homosexual behavior among the native Armenians. Therefore, gays do not exist in Armenia and anything you might study to the contrary is an Internet conspiracy that's designed to dupe you. Also, unless you personally travel to Armenia and look for yourself, you can't tell me otherwise and even if you did find some gay Armenians, I won't believe you because you must have an axe to grind. That's your logic.

By the way, have you been to Azerbaijan? No? That's because it doesn't exist and anything you study that suggests otherwise is a bogus conspiracy and even if you have been to Azerbaijan, it was obviously a delusion.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: Scot: Your bigotry has no end does it? Why do you care what other people do?

Please provide proof (from legitimate medical sources not oppressive religious type journals) that gay couples have a negative impact on children?
23 months ago: Perfect.

At least Mark is providing some reasoned responses.

You're.........................................well.....................
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: All I want is some proof of all this conservative, oppressive religious nonsense is saying. That seems reasoned enough for me.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Because it's in the Bible and because the Bible is the word of God, then it must be true, and it's in the Bible. Ponder, rinse, and repeat.
23 months ago: Mark is close.

You left out that the Bible is the best available authority on G-d's word. It was written by humans though.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: While I am at it why don't you get proof and not oppressive anti-religious liberal type that gay couples have a positive effect on children. I can say we would both be looking a long time...the whole issue about kids being more happier in a gay setting is bogus..why? because it the couple and their mental state that makes for a loving home. And from what

I seen the mental state of those I seen personally were in and out of mental institutions because they grappled with the whole idea of their homosexuality. If it was natural then they should have no problems coping with their lifestyle but the fact of it is, it is not a normal healthy relationship that you people pass it off as it being.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: http://www.jstor.org/pss/1131517

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58...

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/...

This is just a few links to peer-reviewed scholarly material that all says Gay parents do as good, if not better at raising their children.

There are literally hundreds of studies that all prove the same thing.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: "I seen the mental state of those I seen personally were in and out of mental institutions because they grappled with the whole idea of their homosexuality. If it was natural then they should have no problems coping with their lifestyle but the fact of it is, it is not a normal healthy relationship that you people pass it off as it being."

You mean your conservative, church going, God-fearing friends aren't ok with being gay? Maybe its because of cultural pressures and the fact that for a conservative it is hard to be gay because they have been indoctrinated to hate themselves.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: ...because of cultural pressures and the fact that for a conservative it is hard to be gay because they have been indoctrinated to hate themselves...

Anti-gay GOP Senator Ray Ashburn from California comes to mind on that one.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: "The study included 155 gay and lesbian couples and 1,229 heterosexual couples."

Only 155 gay and lesbian couples, why not 2,000 vs 2,000? Either way I am not going to go down your whole list of studies to prove how biased or inconsistent they are.
16 months ago: Why is it we forget there are ****ty heterosexual couples who parent?
The divorce rate is over 50% and that is NOT from lesbian, bisexual, gay couples. There hetero people got divorce covered.

There are plenty of pictures of lesbians getting married and both have dresses. It just happens that you chose the one that fit the stereotype.
There is nothing wrong with the picture. Some women don't like being all super feminine, so having to guts to dress as you want is courage not strange.
The only thing wrong is that others continue to HATE another human being simply because of who they LOVE. It's a crazy thing.

If heterosexual couples had to fight so hard just to be able to love each other then the divorce rate would lower.

One of my best friends is in a non-heterosexual, monogamous 10 year relationship with children. They are the happiest kids I've ever seen.


"I seen the mental state of those I seen personally were in and out of mental institutions because they grappled with the whole idea of their homosexuality. If it was natural then they should have no problems coping with their lifestyle but the fact of it is, it is not a normal healthy relationship that you people pass it off as it being."

^that is just ridiculous. What do you expect when since you are a child the world yells 'god hates fags' and teaches the you are the most hated, disrespected, disgusting person in the world.

Scot - why would someone choose to be gay? I really do not believe it's a choice because who would want to be the most hated person on the planet. It drives you to insanity because at some point you cannot continue to deny who you are and now your world is going to change, and maybe someone is going to kill you for the hell of it, just because.

After you, Scot, get over your judgmental thinking try empathy. You act like it's just a ho-hum easy thing to be gay, lesbian, or bisexual when it's not.
scotmanster
scotmanster
16 months ago: I had two brothers that were gay they passed on from HIV, one directly and the other indirectly. The indirectly brother choose the world of drugs to deal with it all. This is not a ho hum subject for me. I just think being gay is abnormal behavior. Both of my brother had girlfriends at one point in their lives but they made the choice to be gay. I think it stemmed from them being able to relate to men better than women not from being born that way.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
16 months ago: Perhaps the girlfriend thing was related to your brothers trying to hide the fact that they were gay because of the environment they were in.
scotmanster
scotmanster
16 months ago: Actually alot gays swing both ways. I don't think there is a underlining secret answer to it. It is a choice like anything else in life. Do you have a choice of what type of women you like? Meaning it would be liking saying I like blondes over brunettes because I was born that way? That does not make an ounce of sense just like the statement you are born gay does not make an ounce of sense to me...You are not born gay you make the choice for what ever reasons. It is not some condition. Although calling being gay a condition would answer alot of things it just doesn't work that way.

That big thing is I could careless if someone thinks I am judgmental. That is something I will never lose sleep over and that being what others think of me. I would suggest you walk a mile in my shoes and maybe you would realize being gay comes with big risks. That is gay men and men that swing both ways are more prone to contract and spread the HIV virus. Not only are the homosexuals and lesbians affected but the family that is left behind to pick up the pieces and make sense of the reckless lifestyles people choose.

16 months ago: Reckless lifestyles. Therein is the problem with the spread of HIV. Homo or straight doesn't matter. If you are reckless, then you can increase your risk and it won't matter if you're tapping same sex or opposite.

From what you say Scot, your brothers made choices but one choice they couldn't make was their base sexual partner preference, they were attracted to those of the same sex as themselves. Sure they acted "normal" at times, but that could have been to please others, such as yourself, than an attempt to be "normal". They did "chose" to please others, but at what cost to their own happiness?

Now here is something to consider. Is your vehemence against homosexuality due to your religious beliefs, personal prejudices or are you afraid you may also follow in the path of your brothers?
16 months ago: @six - Interesting thoughts. I would also think that there would be a lot of animosity and unbelievable grief that is left after someone gay passes from HIV, especially if you are not a fan of gay folks.

@scot - This whole subject is very real in my everyday life. Not in a condescending way at all, I'm sorry about your brothers. Those gays who "swing both ways" are bisexual. Many many gay men or lesbian women will date, marry, have sex with, the opposite sex for a lot of reasons. Most of those stem from internalized homophobia and an attempt at denial of their suspicions. At some point, you come out or you die, one way or another. I very much wish it were a choice so those who struggle so much w/it could choose to just be straight.

The rate of addiction in the LGBTQ community is extremely high. It's not because they like to party, but again has to do with the internalized homophobia. Every family is left behind when someone dies, gay or not, and it hurts more when there's some sort of wreckage.

I'm actually not disagreeing that there may be something abnormal in their brain of gay people. I don't think THEY are abnormal just as I don't think albinos are abnormal. It's an anomaly. But, I don't think it's a matter of choice and that's why I say born that way. For gay folks, once it's acknowledged intellectually that you are not straight, it is like trying to put together two magnets...that's the visual that I can use...like a force field.

Yes though, there are those who choose to play around with the other sex purely for pleasure. I think that is different somehow than someone who just absolutely loves their same gender. Sex parties and all that is reckless. As far as that goes there are straight people w/strange fetishes, like watching a chick step on bugs, getting pissed on, ****ting on a glass table...I wont go on!

It's different to me who you are able to fall in love with and what you do sexually. The two get put together too often and I think that's what divides us.
16 months ago: Hey Scoutmanster, getting this worked up over gay marriage is pretty gay. Just thought you should know.
16 months ago: I can't wait for the follow-up story about how the are in treatment at a government subsidised fertility clinic because the turkey baster method isn't working.

Mark baby. This link is for you...

http://www.fertilityplus.org/faq/homeins...

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