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Record profits for Oil Companies

Posted 12 months ago|17 comments|500 views
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
Oil Companies are raking in record profits. Exxon's profits are up 69%! And yet they still receive billions in corporate welfare and many of the oil companies pay no taxes at all. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/201...

We are told that drilling more in environmentally sensitive areas would bring prices down but this price increase has nothing to do with supply and demand. Oil refineries have lots of oil, the price increases are almost entirely to to speculation on oil futures by Wall Street which is also making record profits. Do you think there could be some collusion between the world's richest people to make themselves even richer at our expense? http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/03/04/h...

So what could be done to stop the speculation. More regulation would help but we should also cut off the supply of corporate welfare. Obama had a modest proposal to eliminate $4 billion a year but it was opposed by almost all Republicans. They also killed plans to cut off subsidies that rewarded companies to offshore our jobs. http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/art...

One of the largest subsidies to the oil and mining industries is that they can drill and mine on OUR public land for next to nothing. Why don't we charge them the going rate for private land extraction? The government is giving away millions of acres of OUR LAND to developers for $2/acre! http://rtfitch.wordpress.com/2011/03/07/

Unfortunately since Obama is a centrist his proposals also cater to big business and the resulting compromise (Republicans get 85% of what they want for 15% of what Democrats want) Ends up being ultra conservative.

Perhaps we would have been better off if Obama was actually the socialist the Republicans claim he is. Then we might actually end up with centrist policies.

So what would an actual socialist do to the greedy oil companies? How about a tax on excess oil profits. One country allows reasonable profits so the companies can operate and expand but when prices get too high the taxes go up too.

"A 20 percent tax will be in effect when the price of a barrel of Venezuelan oil is between $40 and $70 a barrel, Ramirez said. When the price is between $70 and $90, the tax rises to 80 percent. Between $90 and $100, the tax reaches 90 percent, and if the price tops $100 a barrel, a 95 percent tax will be imposed." http://peakoil.com/publicpolicy/venezuel...

If Obama started his negotiations with a similar position, then maybe we could end up with a FAIR tax that would reflect the actual costs of the dirty polluting industries that are causing the climate change that is causing all of this crazy weather.
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: For the year 2010,
Exxon Mobile reported a profit margin of 6.8%.

Chevron was lower than that at 6.4%.

Conoco Philips came in at a measly 3.5%.

Walmart reported gross profits of 24.8%.

Microsoft has a profit margin of 33.2%.

McDonalds has a profit margin of 19.78%.

Al, think about your tax proposition. When the price of oil goes up, the government punishes the people even more by raising the price even more? All those additional taxes are not going to be paid by the refineries. They are going to be passed on to the people buying the product. So with sweet crude running $112/barrel, and gasoline at $3.80/gal, add a 95% tax and enjoy those $7.50/gal prices at the pump. Then all those dirty polluting people trying to get to work can be punished.
12 months ago: 3.80 lol I been paying 4 and higher over a month ago
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: And Obama is not a centrist. He just sucks at being President and getting what he wants.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: Yeah I really feel sorry for the CEO, having to get along with $ 21.5 million for one year. And the richest 400 billionaires only have to pay 16.7 % taxes.

Really sharing our pain aren't these guys?

Good idea though about having excess profit taxes for Microsoft, Walmart and the rest.

The theory that taxes would raise prices would only be valid if they cut into the operating budget. The corporations and stockholders should be satisfied with the 2%-3% they have averaged for the last 20 years. Excess profits would be better if they were recirculated throughout the economy paying for schools, and rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure or paying off our National debt, thereby making a better business environment.

As far as Obama being a centrist you are correct, he is really a conservative. None of his proposals thus far really are what the liberals would like.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: Like I said, he just sucks at being President. Good for us, bad for the Liberals. Maybe next time you guys will check out your candidate more closely, and not get hoodwinked by some johnny-come-lately smooth talking shyster.

How about this idea: just put a government wage cap on every job, say $30,000/year. Then pay everyone the maximum the law will allow. Then at the end of the year the government charges a 100% profit tax. And any business that posts a net loss can get the difference back from the government.

I wonder if Mr. Robert Iger, CEO of ABCNews/Disney, the liberal media outlet that originated your posted article, would agree to a wage cap on his $17 million/year salary.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago: But wouldn't union wages be exempt from the cap? If my understanding is correct, union wages are part of a contractual agreement signed by the employer. If that is so, then union workers with an existing contract for more than the cap would of necessity be exempt - at least for the duration of the contract.

Reckon how media talking heads who make $millions would like being held to $30K/annum. Somehow I don't think Kobe or Neon Deon or A Rod would be any too happy about a 30K cap either. Although it WOULD be good for the fans. Just think how much ticket prices would drop if they didn't have to pay bench warmers $1 million +.

Al, is paying a man $millions to play a children's game in any way excess? Couldn't they get along on less? Say $60,000?

Well, Al? What do you think? (Please note I want to know your thoughts on the matter, not your feelings.)
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago: Al,
Kindly define "excess profit". Please.
12 months ago: Al, kindly recompute for the value of the democrat dollar.
12 months ago: Uh....Al.......


pppssssssttttttt.

They're is a difference between "net" profit and "gross" profit.

When its President Palin, can you imagine what their profits will be!!!?????

Al, you'll be absolutely miserable.....unless you snap out of it.

BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago: Here we are over 24 hours after I asked Altruist to define excess profit. No answer to date. But that is the essence of the left. Long on slogans short on facts. Long on assertions, short on supporting evidence. Long on talk, bloody short on action.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: Sorry if I am not hanging on your every word. Most of this isn't worth responding to anyway but here goes.

Busy watching what a GOOD President does. Unlike Bush who takes us to unnecessary illegal war with braggadocio. only to say he doesn't think Obama is important after he fails at finding him.

Out of the Box I like your idea of having wage caps. All government agencies have wage brackets that determine wages in all areas. Of course the government couldn't just mandate that everyone gets paid that way but it could even out the wage inequity by using the tax structure. A simple one would be if wages are 10% above the agreed on standard those wages would be taxed an additional 10%. if 30% over tax the amount over by 30% if 90% and everything above, tax the additional wages at 90%.

The idea is that wages should be relative to the services done, otherwise the entire free market system would (and is) falling apart. So what necessary services do grown men playing children's games, provide society. Certainly some entertainment, but is that entertainment more valuable to society than our police, firemen, or teachers? I don't think so. What about the Hedge Fund Managers who make a thousand times more than the teachers and firemen. Is their service worthy of their compensation? No in fact they harm society and should be penalized not rewarded.

CEO's were only paid 10-20 times what the workers got just a few decades ago. Now they are getting 200 times. While everyone else s wages have stagnated or gone down the CEO's, Bankers, Hedge Fund Managers etc. have tripled.

So what about corporate profits? I am not so much opposed to corporate profits but I am upset that these corporations pay NO taxes on that profit and actually get subsidies from we the taxpayers.

But there should be some consideration to what people and corporations do with their often ill gotten gains. At least Bill Gates spends 75% of his fortunes helping people. The Koch brothers spend 75% of theirs trying to subvert Democracy in America. Reward helping people discourage harming people.

Corporations should be rewarded for research and development and discouraged from shipping jobs over seas. Big Pharma spends much more on advertising than on R& D, and most of that advertising is harmful. The same with cosmetics. Wouldn't those trillions be better spent building railroads and highways and stuff we really need?

Tax pollution, Toxic chemicals, radiation and all things that harm society and give breaks to those industries that are clean sustainable and renewable.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago: Their was a time when class envy was just against the aristocracy. Now it has gotten to the point that anyone who has more is a target. So the Oprahs and the Will Smiths of the world need to watch out. All their hard work, clawing their way out of poverty and into a life of luxury will go to naught.

But of course the entertainers would be exempt, for the valuable services they provide society. In Sid Mier's game "Civilization", the entertainers are valuable in distracting the general population so you can overtax, overwork, and manipulate your subjects.

I think there there needs to be an "underproduction tax" also. Anyone who makes less than an agreed upon standard level of contribution to society needs to be taxed at a higher rate.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
12 months ago: I couldn't agree more with your last paragraph.
12 months ago: lol That is great.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
12 months ago: Quite simply, we need to close the oil speculation loopholes that were nearly eliminated during Bush's second term, the last time the price of gas when haywire. There is no reason that conservative and liberals shouldn't be on the same page when it some to the speculation. Conservatives value a free market economy vs. gov't regulations. Well, you don't have a free market if one small group of people with access to the endowment funds of Harvard and Yale are using it to speculate on oil and drive up the prices. That's not a free market, that's a market being manipulated. No other commodity in the USA can be manipulated this way because they are all regulated.

I don't know how it worked in other states, but the state of Colorado regulates the price of a gallon of milk that dairies can charge. Maybe this needs to be handled at the state level and states should just regulate the price that refineries can charge for gas. In any case, the reason the regulations to end this abomination of oil speculation didn't pass last time was because the price of gas plummeted days before the vote would have gone through. All we need, in that case, is the threats of regulations passing. Oil and gas prices will plummet and all will be fine again for a while until the speculators think we are again asleep at the pump.
12 months ago: Its all corruption. The american public is manipulated every day. By corporations and government. Question can someone tell me the actual cost to produce 1 gallon of gas. What are their actual expenses compared to profits Lmao Gas is like coc and oxys and They're all just a bunch of drug dealers except this drug is not polluting our bodies it's polluting our home, Mother Earth. Yet we have the technology now for amazing mileage. I know Right now I have a solution to give a suburban 100 miles to the gallon, but these corporations that produce cars are paid by big oil not to do that and for this they don't want it. Ha I was ranting and raving. Believe me!!
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
12 months ago:
You figure there are 42 gallons in a barrel of oil. You might get 21 gallons of gasoline, but the rest of the barrel is used too, so there is no easy formula.

But just assuming that all things are equal, at $100 / barrel, the raw materials are gonna cost $2.38/gallon.

Then add the $.66/gallon tax and that brings it up to $3.04/gal.

Then add tanker costs, usually in the millions per trip, port taxes, refinery costs, advertising and distribution, and you'll find that the 4.00/gal fuel costs about $3.75 to get it into you car.

What's funny is that the government makes 66 cents a gallon, and the refinery only makes 20-25 cents per gallon.

I haven't heard Obama griping about the obscene profits the government is raking in on a product they don't even have to handle. They're pocketing three times more money off of just gasoline, than the actual refineries are.

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