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RantRave, Google News and Refocused Efforts

Posted 15 months ago|145 comments|1,575 views
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Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
Hi Everyone.

I know this message is late in arrival, but I wanted to take a few moments to talk about the events of the past week, as well as the direction RantRave will be heading in the near future.

As many (or all) of you now know, RantRave has been kicked off of Google News. While we initially were upset by this, we see it as a blessing in disguise. First, a few facts. RantRave was intentionally and maliciously targeted by spammers, in an effort to get us removed from Google News (the who and why does not matter). They were successful and we have been banned for at least 30 days. After 30 days, we may re-apply to the site. We made some behind-the-scenes changes, which we hope will appease the powers that be. Our application for reinstatement may or may not be approved. So, for those of you wanting to post to Google News, hold tight. It will hopefully be back up soon, but there are no guarantees.

This setback has forced us to reassess the site and our mission for the site. RantRave was designed with two goals in mind. The first was community. We wanted to create a place where people could post their opinions and have meaningful and spirited debate. Our wish was that the debate not be mean-spirited, or nasty, but thoughtful and challenging (although, being the Internet, the mean and nasty is hard to avoid completely). That said, I would encourage all of you to review the Community Guidelines. There is some good stuff in there.

Our second goal was to empower the common blogger. We wanted to use our knowledge of Search Engine Optimization (SEO) to give people a voice in organic Google results. We have succeeded in this. RantRave is extremely effective at getting your thoughts, opinions, and concerns into Google organic search results in near-real time and sometimes on Page 1. You no longer need a long-established website, or extensive SEO knowledge to be seen in organic search results. You have RantRave. The results speak for themselves.

When we were originally accepted as a Google News provider, we immediately started writing content that would help us achieve high view counts, in an effort to boost exposure. This led to others writing exclusively about news and we drifted further and further from our origial goals. RantRave was never intended to be a news source. That was just a lucky fluke and we allowed it to get out of hand.

Additionally, we feel that our "Get Paid to Post" theme sent the wrong message and attracted the wrong type of author. As many of you have observed and pointed out, people are working the system and writing, essentially, spam posts, in an effort to make an extra buck.

Moving forward, RantRave is going to put less emphasis on Google News (if our application is approved) and Get Paid to Post and more focus the Community and ability to appear in organic search results. Site copy will reflect these changes in the coming weeks.

So, what are we going to do about it?

First, to foster community, we will assign more moderators. Our hope is that more moderators will encourage more discussion in the comments and more communication with the Administrators. We will also try to keep junk posts off of the site. Some examples of "junk" are recipes and AP-style news releases that are exclusively statements of fact and completely lack any opinion.

In the site documentation, we will be placing more emphasis on RantRave's ability to appear in organic search results and less emphasis on Google News. Among other things, we will replace the RSS feed on the homepage, which displays posts accepted by GN, with something highlighting organic results.

Lastly, to minimize the Get Paid to Post aspect of the site, we are removing graphics and links that discuss it. Additionally, we will return to a 50/50 revenue share. Our ads will alternate with yours.

We understand that some of these changes will cause some of you to post elsewhere and we are sorry to see you go. However, we believe the remaining members, as well as future members, will be a healthier, more tightly knit community of passionate people.

If you have any questions or concerns, you may voice them publicly in the comments section, or privately, by sending me a message via my profile.

Alex Layton
Site Administrator
UPDATE - 15 months ago
I should note, I will not be deleting previously posted "junk" posts. I will just not allow them, moving forward.
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15 months ago:
Just as I suspected. Thanks for the awaited update.
15 months ago:
Oh yeah, and congrats!
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
15 months ago: Thanks!
15 months ago: I take a very deep and prolonged bow.
15 months ago: Thanks Alex
...and congratulations!
15 months ago: OK. I'll try to be nice. If I fall off the wagon. Remind me. Don't expect me to take a shills comments/posts laying down though. That would not be falling off the wagon. It would be calling their hand.

I always thought the whole GN thing was over blown. The pages hit Google search in about 10 to 15 minutes.

Alex? Is the twitter feed working?
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
15 months ago: Oh man, I totally forgot we even had a Twitter feed. That was sort of Chris D's thing and he hasn't worked here in quite some time. I'll have to email him...
15 months ago: Simple enough to setup if you don't get an answer. All I need is the feed page address. The free version only feeds 2 every 30 minutes. That is still enough to get the spiders working harder (all major search engines).
15 months ago: Alex, send the the address of the RSS or ATOM feed and I'll look at it.
If you can take that leap of faith...The passwrd to the site twitter account would be helpful. I can setup an automatic twitter feed in a system and send you all of the account info so you can go in and change the passwords after it's running.

It will read the site RSS/ATOM feed every 30 minutes and tweet the top 2 on the list buy checking the time stamp of the entries. I have it working on a site and the top 11 search engine spiders hit the site within minutes of the automatic tweets.

Let me know if it's something you want to happen. The last site tweet was November 8th.
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
15 months ago: Right now we're debating whether we want to keep up the Twitter feed. I'll keep you posted, though.
15 months ago: Fair enough. Make sure you work this into the debate. You have manual click buttons that will need to be removed if you decide not to tweet, share, digg or add to facebook. They do the same thing by clicking on them. A member can tweet any page to their own accounts. Which also sends the spiders within minutes. If your going to allow manual user submissions, you might as well allow automatic site submissions to your own accounts.
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
15 months ago: I fully support people tweeting, sharing, digging, or whatever else people do. We just don't necessarily want to maintain a RantRave Twitter account. The automatic feed tended to crash more than work.
15 months ago: That sounds more like a service issue. You give me the green light and I'll setup a test account. Once setup. I'll PM you with all of the account info so you can take control or delete it.
justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: So basicly, RR is just going to be another internet forum.
15 months ago: Hi Justlogic,

I think RR is an awesome site and may be even better going forward. I personally have not seen anything else like it.

If you know anywhere else that gives the flexibilities and options of RR please let me know. Seriously.
justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: If you haven't started your own blog, you should. You have more control and will make more money. You can post here providing RR with content and promote your blog all at the same time.

That is what RR says you can do here, promote your work.
The Adsense split, I don't care about it, I see it as content for exposure.
14 months ago: Thanks.
14 months ago: Promote your work or promote your website/blog? Is there a difference? How many ADs do you have on your promoted site/blog? Control? Yeah. Nice. Don't you mean selective censorship? Yeah, yeah....

Do you post your articles first on RantRave or are you spamming articles posted on your primary money site for better exposure because the search engines pick the RantRave up and bypass your uh...site/blog?

BTW. The colors on your site/blog SUCK.
14 months ago: "Promote your work or promote your website/blog?"

That's part of what got RantRave in trouble with Google News to begin with. All Content on RantRave should be ORIGINAL. Even if you post an original entry on another site you should not copy and paste it here. It's in the Rules.

"RantRave Community Guidelines"

"Don't plagiarize or post spam.

Don't plagiarize. When you find an article written by someone else, copy its text, and paste it onto RantRave, you're stealing. We're interested in your original content. It's OK to quote from another source, but you should cite it.

Don't post spam. RantRave isn't a place to promote your product or service. We know what press releases look like, and they're not welcome here. (PRO TIP: If the first 25 words in your Rant or Rave can be found on multiple websites, it's spam.)

If you do post spam or plagiarize, we'll delete it and send you a warning. If you persist, we'll delete your account."
14 months ago: Ah, But they think that they own it and can repost it on all of their accounts without it being spam. All the while self promoting using black SEO. No?

Visit a few of the posts by this person and see if there is not a link to their money page.

Then come back and concur that the colors SUCK.
14 months ago: You mean these two?

http://www.publicrecordsdetectivesjourna...

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/99ers-Need-...

Just for fun and to prove Cypress knows what he is talking about I Googled the first paragraph in quotes

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en...

The RantRave page is first but the Public Records Detectives Journal page does not come up. So the Back Link on the RantRave post makes the Public Records Detectives Journal page the Money Page in justlogic's Link Wheel.

In any case I find it amusing that the Public Records Detectives Journal page has a "PROTECTED BY COPYSCAPE DO NOT COPY" yet here it is on RantRave just the same.

How many more Public Records Detectives Journal pages are copied here on RantRave I wonder?

Yes, the redish brown colors do suck.
14 months ago: Please prove me wrong again at....

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/Will-the-re...

Don't worry. I can take it. Please prove me wrong...again...
15 months ago: Why does the Who and Why not matter? There had to be some motive to make whoever is responsible do it. If you know who is responsible, have they also been removed from Google News as well?
15 months ago: Cully. It's a CYA from a lawsuit. RR is a business. On the other hand ...

You and I can present our "Opinion".

Ain't that word grand? Remember to use it when asked by an Attorney.

"In my opinion...Blah, blah, blah..." and stick to it.

"As I recall...Blah, blah, blah..." and stick to it.

"My best recollection is...Blah, blah, blah..." and stick to it.

We all know who the perp/perps are by reading the post.
15 months ago: I fully understand the "opinion" thing, I'ved used it before. It's the motive I question and wonder why they did it.

If you've worked your way up the rankings of page views and comments why would you want to have RantRave and your content removed from Google News? Understanding that Google News is one reason you were getting so many page views in the first place. It would be like shooting yourself in the foot, now you will have a hard time walking.

One of the reasons I chose RantRave was there already was a built in following of sorts that I would not have on a blog of my own. So without linking my posts to other sites people on RantRave would see my posts. Google News was a nice extra as it would add more exposure. I just don't get why somebody would intentionally try to get RantRave off Google News is all.
15 months ago: Is the perp thought to have tried to bring down R&R from GN as a purpose unto itself, or did this happen as an indirect result of uncontrolled greed by a perp who _inadvertently_ ruined it all for us?

And what about those whom I pick on for trying to be their own Cnet, reviewing consumer crap half as well as Cnet? Are they writing opinion, which it looks like they are, just lame opinion.

And what about the Alex_ post about time is money, and you need to write for money and time's a wasting...Is that whole vibe going down? Sure make money while you post, but to tailor words for that sole effort ruins the quality and originality of R&R. Here's the post with my whiny complaints:

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/How-99ers-C...
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15 months ago: @ Cully - My take on what happened:

1. Google News approval is a big deal. Anything Google approved has to meet specific guidelines or else. RR has rules that say to use an image or your RR may not get put out through News. I always put a pic w/my article cause I follow it RR terms. I really thought it wouldn't go out to Google News w/o it. Problem - Google News let too many articles through that didn't meet specific Google guidelines. It as not 100% managed. It was okay til the site got an influx of new people...

2. The over-abundance of low quality unemployment articles. There were too many articles w/inflaming titles just to draw views, but gave NOTHING to the reader. Article pretended to be about unemployment but were "give me money or I'll eat leather" and too much similar stuff. Fine for a blog, bad for RR and w/Google News. Google News wants NEWS, something worthwhile for its readers, articles w/a point. Too many 99er, unemployment, and tier 5 articles that provided nothing for readers LOOKING FOR INFO. RR allowed it for too long and they got into Google News. Suddenly, RR is known for "tier 5, 99er, unemployment" on Alexa, but there's too little info here, really.

3. The super bowl spammer hit at a bad time. Probably someone who set an account, spammed, made $$ and ran - all spam going to GN and again, RR "allowed" it.

4. Google announces low quality site crackdown. Super bowl spammer pushed RR over the edge. G looks at last 2 months and says "no more" and RR has to clean up things that slipped by AND penalize us by cutting 50% earnings.

RR views/earnings spiked w/the recent burst of people. That also looks funny to Google Adsense. It was the perfect storm (right is that where everyone gets killed?).

You or I would never do this to the site because we get the worth of Google News. Overall, those who cared more about their message than quality helped boot us from GN and lose 1/2 earnings. Whether RR admits it or not.
15 months ago: @Alex_

I agree the 99'er posts were too much they dominated RR. They copied the ideas from each other and offered little to no opinion on their own.

I wonder did the Super Bowl Spammer also hit other sites similar to RR? Who else recently got pulled from GN because of it?

It is also very clear that there was (maybe still is) a group here that was trying to scam AdSense and they are the reason GN kicked us off. Those people should banned from RR

Was RR or GN able to trace the IP of either the spammer or scammers? If so RR should set up an IP ban and remove those people from RR.

It's sad that a few idiots screwed it up for the rest of us. Those that did this need to be held accountable.


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Stear
Stear
Cuddebackville, NY
15 months ago: Thank you Alex, I had contemplated leaving this site actually. I really just came here to write and share thoughts. It gave me an opportunity to polish my writing without people I know dishing out flattery. I like constructive criticism, I don't like mean people for the sake of being mean. I hope the guidelines help keep everyone exchanging opinions in a more civil manner. If this is the case, I'm sticking here. I like the layout and the forum. Thanks again.
15 months ago: I think that all authors on RR should have to be linked to a legitimate verifiable name and address, if only for the Administrator to be privy to, before they are allowed to post in the first place. I don't mind giving up that info to protect a community like RR. I think that this would be the place to start... that way if someone is a trouble maker they can be removed from RR without possibility of another "anonymous" return. Again that is a programing issue... and RR needs to find out the costs... and post them... you may be surprised what solutions RR can come up with... a lot of intelligent, not just angry people here.
15 months ago: I gave up more than this for Facecrook! Like Disqus... you have to be linked to other mediums like Facebook to verify your identity, and require all around accountability.
More info on Disqus check out...
http://disqus.com/
15 months ago: No.

I am signed up w/Google Adsense and they have ALL of my info. If RR handled the spamming correctly then should have been able to semi-identify the persons involved in spamming the site, fill out the Google Adsense spam form, potentially a DMCA form, and talk to Google.


But, I'm not giving out my info to RR. I choose where I write for safety reasons. There are scams out there, of course, and one of the safer ways to write online is to use Adsense sites because it lessens the risk.

However, you're thinking in the right direction.
1. They should verify an email.
2. Get an IP ban not names. Still not 100% but it works better than now.
3. A pre-approval process for the 1st article. Let people comment cause that's part of the draw, but if people write an RR then the FIRST one has to go through a real person.
4. Write uniform rules across the site.
5. Specify what they want and add reason in on the flagging system to help the mods.


Google IS cracking heads.
15 months ago: Congrats on the new addition to your family AL and thanks for the UPDATE. Im not sure what my take is on all of this since Im so here, but if I formulate one I will be sure to share it! LOL!!! If you need help with more moderators, Im able and willing right now!
15 months ago: er...uh....my "junk"?
15 months ago: Here, it's pronounced "hunk," as in "your recipe fingers type hunk." And some thunk its recipe junk was a hunk of funk that stunk like a punk with his finger in the pie hole of a skunk, writing bunk.

redstateguy, what's up with the guy splatting into the mud puddle? Why'd you make me write this crap anyways? I got important stuff to do!
15 months ago: He's a monk.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: And you. Are you Cypress and Cypress Gang?
15 months ago: Call me stupid. I don't follow the question.
15 months ago: Good stuff. Thanks for reaching out and giving us the update.

Best wishes to you and the extended family.

15 months ago: Congratulations, Alex. Good on you and best wishes. Good news re the site, too.
15 months ago: Thanks for killing the recipes and the other useless "junk" on here. Enough was enough. Obvious who is on here to make $$$$ and those who have something of value to say. I am proud of you.
15 months ago: Alex Layton:

"Get Paid to Post" theme sent the wrong message and attracted the wrong type of author. As many of you have observed and pointed out, people are working the system and writing, essentially, spam posts, in an effort to make an extra buck.

Please answer: Am I the wrong type of author for this site? Seriously.

RR had a 290% increase in traffic over the past 3 months. Suspicious? It turned into an unemployment ramble. RR did not do enough to insulate itself from the mass amounts of low quality articles and it paid for it. Wait, I'm paying for it.

Your link to Google only shows that RRs get indexed. Some think Google News ranks the articles and you can't rank w/o it. I have several articles on page 1 of Google. I have a #1 RR on Google out of 8,650,000.

Please specify - Are the "near-real time" results directly because of Google News? Views are inflated because of bots and news sites get more bots. Will RR get crawled as fast w/o GN?

Is RR for ORIGINAL content only? You mention recipes, people cheer, but I don't think it was the recipes that downed RR. Would this recipe article be unacceptable in the future? http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/Make-Green-...

Yeah, I think cutting the rev share by 50% sucks. I didn't contribute to losing GN. YOU put it at 100% to DRAW USERS to RR. It backfired because RR didn't have enough precaution or direction. A 60/40 or 65/35 ok but 50? Lame.

I don't think it's fair to blame the "get paid to post" as the cause when RR clearly changed recently. Don't blame those of us who write here HONESTLY and earn money, too.

Check out the Alexa info - this was coming sooner or later. Especially w/Google's latest fight against content farms.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rantrave.c...# (RR Alexa info)

Sigh....
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
15 months ago: I'm lost, all this is over my head. If someone can simply explain in language that a fool like me can understand. So when I turn on my pc to write about a subject what have I got to do differently. Also Alex could we have a spell checker for post a comment>
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Paper Tiger - The first thing that anyone is taught in writing and corresponding is to make ones thoughts clear and precise so that others reading it can understand. Otherwise, a person can get lost in their own thoughts going off in a tantrum or the deep end thinking others know what they are saying even though it is clear to them. Anyway, that's my opinion of a lot of the pomp made here.
justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: The 50/50 split is not an issue. The larger issue on RR is beyond spammers, Google news etc. The larger issue is the harassment from senior members. RR management gives the impression of operating under the buddy system.

New persons like myself come here and despite community guide lines and tos we agree to, we see the complete opposite behavior in senior members. The abuse goes well beyond spirited debate and primarily the attacks are by the same persons.

One author felt she needed to try to hide her post from a specific attacker and all the harassment another author received over recipes. That was because of RR managements lack of leadership and clarity. That author has taken and continues to suffer abuses from stalkers due to RR management failure to enforce its stated policy's. A member name, address and phone list in managements inactive hands would just be pointless.

A loose definition of stalking would be, harassment of repeated persistent following physically or through other means, a person with no real legitimate reason with the intention of harming, causing anxiety and or creating fear in the person being followed. Computer communication, harassing telephone calls, etc can be considered stalking.

I and my readers were clearly and obviously threatened right here on RR. Other RR members agreed the threat could be considered stalking. I contacted RR about the situation and never received a reply.

The person that made the threats is a serial offender here at RR. That person has generated numerous complaints and blatantly posted they have run many people off of RR in the past.

This is a problem for RR. Are the senior members the ones setting the bar of behavior? or RR management? Whatever the answer, the bar is low.

Although RR claims to have a policy forbidding various types harassment and illegal activity, the practice and culture one experiences at RR is quite the opposite.

Full scale, seemingly organized attacks, harassment and threats seem well within the actual established practice and culture at RR. One must consider, if a policy does in fact exist, it is in practice. If a policy is not in practice, it is not a true policy. Could one consider RR management an involved consenting party to the acts?

Consider other actions observed.

The author of the recipes has been repeatedly attacked over, not just recipes, but most other articles she has written. The attackers say it is because she does an AP style post. The AP standard, is the journalism standard of the world media. So the attacks are because she writes using professional journalism's excepted best practice. Does this make sense? of course not. This is evidence the author is targeted for some other reason.

What happened next seems to be the redirection of RR from RR management stating the recipes are junk and will be discontinued. This is similar to a public flogging for the joy of the mob. Some people might think the mob couldn't compete with her by the rules, so the rules were changed and then she was dragged in the street and beaten.

I was accused of plagiarism by the same person that threatened myself and my readers. This was after the initial threats that RR ignored when contacted. The so called evidence against me was, material I wrote and own, on sites I own. This is evidence that the accusation was a veiled attempt to cause me anxiety, distress and harm.

The same short list of names are attached to all the issues of repeated harassment and stalking. This is evidence that RR management says, one thing with policy's and then does the opposite in practice. Could one consider RR a willing participant to harassment and stalking?

Victims have specific legal rights, and just saying, if you don't like it then leave, violates those rights.

No one likes being bullied and pushed off the playground, but this is not about someone just being mean to me or anyone e
15 months ago: Granted there are a few flame war posts between members on RR. However there is a fine line between somebody saying something stupid or pointless that upsets you and a genuine threat.

RR is an Opinion web site and people have a wide variety of opinions. While I've read a few opinionated posts with colorful language pointed at my fellow RR's and me, I don't think I've seen any explicit threats. While I completely disagree with some of the comments I have never personally felt threatened.

Since we all get the e-mail alerts we can see what content RR has chosen to remove on some threads. So there are Moderators on here looking at stuff and trying to maintain civility.

justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: Actually, the day I was threatened, you were the first one to comment that the threat could be considered stalking.
15 months ago: Is smartygirl your wife or sister? You're the only one trying to defend her.

You are writing hyperbole when you reference stalking, and people who really are victims of stalking ought to be offended by your claims.

The reference to AP isn't to the quality and proper journalistic writing style! You misrepresent the facts by suggesting the complaint has to do with the famous AP style standard -- NO! The complaint is that the articles are basically spammed AP articles, and as such, they ARE quite well written. If you were accused of plagerism, it's relatively easy to defend against...if you have not done it -- if you are having problems, still, what can I say? Slimpickens said go to "Copyscape.com" to work it out.

Look, you think you are "Just logic" but indeed, you are misinformation, misrepresentation, exaggeration, opinionated, and driven to defend smartygirl, which defies logic.
justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: Most victims of stalking would tell you, they are more offended by people that do not take their reports seriously.

I have shown evidence of just how common harassment and stalking is here at RR. Smartygirls treatment is a portion of the evidence. You by your words, could be considered as evidence showing how accepted the harassment and stalking is within the culture of RR members.

I have Copyscape on my own sites and have used it for a couple of years.
15 months ago: What logic? When do police not take a stalking issue seriously: when it's not stalking. Are you the police, or, do you expect others, who are not police to act like police? Stalking is a police matter, you go call them and complain about name calling and withering critiques smartygirl receives, and they'll probably book you for wasting the time of law enforcement.

You use the terms harassment and stalking interchangeably, when in fact, members of R&R are making legitimate comments about her and others malfeasance. How dare you defend her malfeasance?

You go find 3 others who are regular, existing members of this R&R website and bring them forward to demonstrate you are not the only one who backs smartygirl -- you know you can't. You have a conflict of interest, and I wonder what it is, because it is illogical to back the smartygirl.

15 months ago: You have clearly never been involved in a stalking case because there are hundreds of women and men who are MURDERED every year because someone didn't take stalking seriously. There are hundreds more who live in fear all of the time because no one listens. The police do not protect stalking victims well. No, don't mention a protection order.

The is a thing called Cyber Stalking and Cyber Bullying. Look around and you should see a snippet of how it begins.

Sometimes you really should think before responding. Think wider than the box you're writing into. If you're trying to get under people's skin and think you're cool for it then whatever man, but consider the fact that there are cases of people getting stalked online and killed. Period.

You think you know these RR folks, but you have no idea, just like I don't know ...so the ongoing bashing is enough. What's the point? Really? She has been targeted since signing up it seems, but I never caught the initial offense (probably just signing up).

I am a regular existing member who thinks that it went too far w/attacks on smartygirl. I don't know her. I don't have a conflict of interest. I just don't think it's right, and especially not on the RR administrator's profile. I think it's a here and there moderation. An account set up to mock her was made an allowed for days/weeks. I can't believe that people think that is 100% acceptable.

And, no. None of that means that I think plagiarism is right and I absolutely disagree w/gaming anyone. That's not what I'm about. I don't think RR is doing the right thing. I think that a lot of the attacks are misguided somewhat and RR let the blame roll onto her because you all were happy to dish it out, not actually thinking of the big picture of the site, what happened, what causes a site to lose Google News, etc.

15 months ago: You are a fool to thing critique is stalking and a joke to top it off. To say the smartygirl is being stalked is hyperbole and negligent if not wrongful to all those who do get stalked. You, go call the police now or your full of ****. Same with you Mr. Logic: go call police and make a report. NOW! Before your time runs out of money!

This is another thing that drags down this site: exaggeration. Alex_ and the Logic won't call the police and make a report because they know that report would be bogus and thrown out, if not turned onto them for wasting police time.

Smartygirl is a mendacious plagerizing spammer: go put that into your police record. She has helped ruin this site, and Alex_'s routing for her makes him more guilty by association than I'd thought: his "time is money post" noted and linked to above in these comments reads as yesterday's news and as a direct contradiction the R&R site wants to go: what's up with boostering for the smartygirl: do you think she was right?

You and logic are poseurs on this stalking complaint and you are conflating REAL internet stalking events which have led to only a couple, 15-minute newsworthy reels since the last decade, with what is perhaps a critique that has perhaps come too close to home for you: you are yesterday's news with your words=money philosophy, go cry on smartygirls IP.

justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: Why don't you file a DCMA complaint, since you know all about it and your not a poser, make sure you report all the images here too. Here the link to make it easy for you.

http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bi...
15 months ago: Allrecipes should be the ones filing the DCMA complaint, as I have not been plagerized: Smartygirl is only interested in copying junk, low culture, bottom feeder stuff (have you seen her unhealthy, fast-food-like recipes?) and she isn't interested in copying my stuff.

Slim says he's been plagerized before, maybe he should watch his back while smartygirl is still around, as his stuff is just right for her.

How about you, you said you have used copyscape before, is your stuff desirable, in the same way millions desire the worst fatty-fast-food for Breakfast/ lunch/ dinner everyday? Think about it: how about reselling McD's hamburgers in the same way people plagerize junk writing on the net? Here, have a cold, damp whopper that has hardened and glued itself together: that's basically what low-class copycats do when they copy junk and put it back up on the net.
justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: No, actually I said, I have been using Copyscape for a couple of years.
I have been copied in thousands of places all over the web. People usually include a link.

I have seen your vast writings and I doubt you need worry about being plagiarized yourself, because people don't typically plagiarize comments.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
15 months ago: ...To say the smartygirl is being stalked is hyperbole and negligent if not wrongful to all those who do get stalked...

I concur

..This is another thing that drags down this site: exaggeration...

I don't know about that. It can be rather entertaining when people go full tilt hyperbole with gross exaggerations, and considering how you melted down with the shotgun accusations after making the above lucid points, it's ironic too.
justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: It would have been nice if he had actually used the words I wrote. I never said smartygirl was stalked. I said, her treatment was typical of the harassment and stalking that goes on here. Smartygirl was accused of plagiarism, has anyone noticed all the article images here?

Did anyone produce the copyright owner of any of the recipes? As I understand it, you can not copyright a recipe, only the unique instruction, descriptions etc.

Who owns the recipe for bread, pancakes or scrambled eggs? All RR admin ever needed to do was ask her to stop and because that took so long, she put up with a lot of unnecessary stuff.

I do not know smartygirl, I just thought the treatment was wrong and she was basically being bullied.

I have a bozo stalker following me around in here, consistently trying to force my attention and engagement into a dispute. Despite my clear insistence the attention is unwanted, he persists.

What kind of sick, pathetic, swamp dwelling, slimy loser, insists on following you and engaging you? A stalker. By every definition, I am being stalked.
15 months ago: That tirade is one of the funniest I have read all week.

It would have been even better if you had the listed the name and links.
15 months ago: The recipes were posted for one reason and one reason only. To make $$$$. What value did it ad to this site? Be real. You have lost touch with reality.
justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: That's how business works, this entire website exists to make money.
RR may be making decisions to satisfy a small number of people and not looking at the much lager numbers of people coming to the site for recipes.

Whatever the incoming traffic was before smartygirl, after smartygirl those numbers were much higher. It seems to me, smartygirl gets the lions share of the views and this makes some folks jealous.

Other authors look at how she was and is treated, that will affect site content and that will affect site views and profits.

While other were bickering, I looked at the entire volume of RR articels from the beginning of RR to currant time and did some math.

Authors do not want to come here and be abused, content makes the site.
15 months ago: The sole purpose of her being here was to make money. That is not what the owner of the site longer wishes to happen. 30 recipes in 30 days? Post on allrecipes.com and not here.
15 months ago: Happy wouldent you be happier if oyu werent trying to be the internet police? How about you let Alex and the mods do their job and butt out.
15 months ago: I love hap's quips and quirky assessments, and while you say you are concerned about hap's happiness, I think you're just making that up as a play on his nickname: you don't care about his emotional well being, you're just annoyed by his comments, as you seem to think they are inappropriate: you sir are not the R&R police and can taste your own tongue on that one. Alex and the moderators are obviously overwhelmed by this website, they don't have adequate staffing, clearly, and we members, I believe, have a duty to try and uphold the quality and ethics to which this website aspires -- that's why I ride your ax!
15 months ago: Uh...What I meant to say is that it's fine for me to be hypocritical, and not for slim...
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
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15 months ago: Funny. I'll add this comment to my favorites for future use. Read the TOS.
Debate? Wrong....the term is OPINION. Big difference. But in my opinion you lost all of your debates.
15 months ago: Ya know, if I blew over like a leaf every time I was picked on, I'd leave everywhere...

Both you and RSG bring out the worst poetry in me...

This site could be seen like a tree, with its roots in opinion, and its branches reaching up to the facts, connecting the two. This is a difficult feat, but it is worthwhile and can only happen if the tree doesn't lose too many leaves.
15 months ago: Ah! But can't you see that we bring out something in you? Maybe something you think that can be hidden. Maybe something you think you don't want to show?

Maybe the truth?
15 months ago: My inner conservative?
15 months ago: Don't mind PH. It is just steamed because RSG and TCG called the last election 18 months ago. It just won't admit that it is in the minority and also in decline.

It is struggling with it's identity since it lives in Obamacago.
15 months ago: Don't know. Are you a conservative at heart? Conservatives are not bred. They are grown. Seems like you might now be trying to make up for the liberal part of your life. Were you always a conservative?
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: What is the truth?
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Oh Boy...........So, if the tree loses too many leaves it will be bare; therefore, rendered useless, without nutrition and with no ability to grow and flourish.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
15 months ago: ...This is my last post on this site...

Sad to say your last tantrum, err post has been deleted. When you let your emotions gets the best of you, the ability to reason, much less rationally debate is lost. Come on back when you grow up.
15 months ago: Dang. Now I'll have to redact the post to meet site TOS guidelines if I want to refer to it. Thanks for nothing Mark. Perfect. I did not flag your post. I wanted it to remain for the entire world to read, re-read and re-read....
15 months ago: It is wrong that the perfecthorizon comment was deleted. It was rated "G" and simply critical of the admin and moderators. It was opinion and pertinent to the discussion, if distasteful to the staff. Markbyrn's response is typical of a thin-skinned moderator who takes comments personally, when they, like their admin peers, should have professional distance in their management of R&R.

Like I said in my post above: "...if I blew over like a leaf every time I was picked on, I'd leave everywhere..." That was to tell perfecthorizon and OTHERS (now including the R&R staff) like them that leaving or quitting or shutting down is not productive.

My next post after this one is going to re-post the one by perfecthorizon that R&R staff deleted, as they should not be picking leaves off the tree, either. R&R should not put down dissent, and the comment by perfecthorizon was simply rated "G" dissent. It's not like R&R has Egypt or Iran on its hands -- it's just an opinionated website! I really am worried about the goings-on behind the scenes at R&R, because there was not justification for deleting perfecthorizon's comment, unless you're excessively thin-skinned: a site with opinions is not place to be unless you have a hide.

I was critical of perfecthorizon's comment that was deleted, but it was a legitimate comment, and it should not have been deleted. If R&R staff can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen -- you are responsible for not being able to manage/ control your website, what with spammers and losing the GN connection, and now you want to put down legitimate dissent. I support R&R's efforts to re-make the website, but shutting down dissent is no way to proceed.
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15 months ago: pluto. While I would like to see the comment stand. It does in fact attack not only one but 2 members. It is to say the least slanderous to 2 parties.
15 months ago: Perfect Horizon was correct, there is little to no debate on RantRave. Since RantRave is Published Opinion, it makes sense to have other opinions and civil debate of the original posting. Instead, like Perfect Horizon said we have "idiocy that takes place here by a select few".

Now you have to be a little thick skinned to venture onto a site like RantRave to begin with so if somebody writes something stupid or you don't like then maybe this type of site is not for you. redstateguy, The Cypress Gang and Out of the Box have all had replies on my various posts and while I often disagree with them, I don't feel any of them is guilty of defamation. They are after all entitled to post their opinions, just as I am.

I've read all out flame wars between some members on some of these threads with no Moderator stopping them. Sure some posts, like Perfect Horizons get removed by RantRave, although I don't understand why. I think name calling should be added as a No-No to the TOS. Everybody has a Screen Name, so use that name and not some other insulting name when referring to the author.

Consider this, smartygirl broadcasts links back to her RantRave posts all over the web and traffic to RantRave increased. More traffic, more revenue, right? So what do people clicking those links read when they get here? They see exactly what Perfect Horizon pointed out in his post. If RantRave wants to attract and retain more authors the Moderators should tone down some of the "idiocy" a little bit don't you think?



15 months ago: Tone it down? More recipies? I say open it up "Full Bore". I'm not afraid of being called out. I stated I thought Perfects slanderous personal attack on RSG and myself should have been left on the site. What more do you want?
15 months ago: No more recipes, those should not have been allowed on RantRave in the first place as they are NOT opinion.

Perfect Horizon's post should have remained with an Edit Comment from a Moderator not to defame other authors by name calling. Have I ever called you or RSG a name? No, of course not. Is there a reason people can't respect each other on RantRave?

I don't come to RantRave to start a fight with anybody. I don't call people names, even if I might want to. I don't come to RantRave to read recipes or news copied and reworded from other sites. I come to RantRave to share my OPINION and engage in DEBATE about news and other issues.

I understand that some will agree and some will not agree with that opinion, but there is no need for name calling. If the threads look like a bunch of spoiled 5 year olds yelling at each other then RantRave will never step up to the next level.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
15 months ago: Pluto, criticism and complaints of the moderators or staff is fine. Comments that degenerate into juvenile name calling and grade school insults do not contribute to the discussions and they are only lively if you happen to be 12 years old. I've been quite consistent in deleting such comments. Now if you want to repost Perfect's comment sans the juvenile name calling, have at it.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
15 months ago: ...Perfect Horizon's post should have remained with an Edit Comment from a Moderator not to defame other authors by name calling...

No Cully, the posts that violate our community guidelines are deleted and the author is perfectly free to repost the comment sans the juvenile name calling that he knows he shouldn't have posted to begin with. How difficult can that be?


15 months ago: Did I say you have? No. I don't cry to the admins. I fight my own battles.
So. Anyone that wants to call me a name should have the guts to stick around and not run away. There it is. Where is Perfect?
15 months ago: @ pluto

Wow. We actually agree on something. I was able to see Perfect Horizon's post in the email and don't think the response was right.

@ Markbrn - I get that you are a non-paid volunteer and I appreciate the work you DO do here to clean up the site. If RR is to rise above what's happened then all of the members need equal consideration. To delete and reply to P Horizon's post for name calling w/a "moderation" post telling him to "grow up" isn't acceptable. A big problem w/RR is the lack of uniformity regarding rules & community guidelines.

From the RR Community Guidelines:

-When you debate, address a Rant or Rave's content and not the writer.
-Be welcoming of new writers. If you're a veteran, offer constructive feedback. -Don't mock someone because they don't know RantRave's customs.
-If you do post spam or plagiarize, we'll delete it and send you a warning. If you persist, we'll delete your account.
-Write descriptive headlines that describe your post, rather than a vague idea, like "My Pet Peeve."
-Don't waste other people's time with empty modifiers and second-rate synonyms. Using slurs only make you look immature.

All of the above are all over RR, from comments to RR posts. We all know some comments are intentional digs. This post's comments are FULL of slams against smartygirl yet they remain. Why?
She is not the only member to go against the RR TOS.
Delete one comment, delete them all, but picking and choosing is part of the overall RR problem.

From the RR Restricted Use terms:

Harass, threaten or INTIMIDATE Authors or others who use the Service.

Contains misleading tags and/or titles that don't match the Rants and Raves content, including irrelevant/excessive tagging.

It can't all fall on you Markbrn.

The RR staff needs to clarify its position. Alex Layton makes this post about RR's "refocused efforts" and "community -- look at the comments. Is THIS really what RR wants?

justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: So much for, lively spirited debate.
15 months ago: Need I remind you of your weak attempt? You want to try it again?
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Thanks Alex for your e-mail. Sunny
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: I kind of liked everyone the way they have been. If you have something to say you say it and when you disagree you say it.
justlogic
justlogic
15 months ago: Smartygirl is on track to bring a hundred thousand visitor this month to RR, a million visitors this year, if she keeps going. It is reasonable to assume she is pulling in similar numbers in other places and does not reley specifically on RR for readers.

That is a lot of potential business for RR to lose if they bounce. These visitors will see her page and not have any reason to stay when they see the comment section.

About 20% of the organic visitors to RR seem to consist of persons searching unemployment issues, These visitors can be abused and gone forever or converted to members if they have a good experience here, again a large number of potential business for RR to lose.

The writers powers the site, the site does not power the writers.
The the experience the visitors will have and RR moving up to the next level, depend on RR making good business decisions.
15 months ago: Maybe justlogic is smartygirl's accountant...

The difference in the debate is simply this: quantity or quality.

There's little more to argue about.

I can see how bare logic would prefer quantity. I prefer quality. Local vs. global, micro vs. macro, small organic over big agri-business, friends I can touch over thousands of virtual 'friends' (although I do have acquaintances online it seems.) I do believe there is some kind of partial relation between proximity and quality, and distance with quantity, but I'll rant about that another day.

15 months ago: Careful Pluto. Comments like that might get you an invite to join the "Secret RR clique". You know the one that the site admins allowed to ruin the site. Funny how those numbers work out. 200,000 followers and how many of them have visited?

One would need to crunch those numbers. Some how I think the "views" are somewhere in the area of .003 percent. Now that is a following!
15 months ago: I searched Facebook with smartygirl's e-mail address and it returned one person with her real name, Lisa Cabrera (which smartygirl also used in her first RantRave post) and they had only ONE Facebook Friend. If she truly had 200,000 people following her on Facebook, Twitter and other blogs her page views should have been a lot higher than they are.
15 months ago: Cully, did you miss this post? It pretty much shows how the game is played. I left out some of the really hardcore stuff.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/How-to-get-...

One must ask why the views of certain authors have droppd since the site posted its new guidelines. Are they infact doing anything different today as opposed to yesterday?
15 months ago: This is a link from last month where she uses her name under the title of the R&R recipe, as if she is the creator of the original content...for lemon cheesecake that states, in part, to follow the package directions. It is not original. Here's the original, Allrecipes lnk:

http://www.familyoven.com/offsite?r_id=1...

And here's the R&R link to see for yourself -- leave a comment!:

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/Lemon-Chees...

Since it is a word for word copy, would the circumstance be worsened if she applies her own name to it, like she did?

Here's a link to googling the body of the ingredients:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sourc...=

15 months ago: I have been saying since December her recipes were not original. I even notified the owner of this site. All I got was bashed. I don't get it.
15 months ago: Cypress to be honest no, I missed that one. I also don't fully understand White Hat SEO vs. Black Hat SEO, while you mentioned Black Hat in great detail you said nothing of White Hat. I assume that White Hat SEO is the way to go, but I still don't understand how.

However, that post of yours does show how threads turn into a bunch of kids whining over something stupid. It further proves Perfect Horizons post about the way a select few act on RantRave. If you were an outsider and this was the first post you read and read all the comments that followed, what would you think?

I understand that there are authors on RantRave that fully understand SEO and are just out to make money scamming the system. This is part of the problem that the Moderators let happen. Now, they have started to correct that problem and lets see where it takes RantRave next.
15 months ago: She also has a profile on yahoo and it appears she is from Canada....
15 months ago: Try a google search of that name.

UH?

http://www.suite101.com/profile.cfm/7573...

"In the technology field"? along with the posts?
15 months ago: Well congratulations Pluto I think you nailed it. If smartygirl did it once, she could do it hundreds of times. All she needed to do was click to change the servings and allrecipes changes them to EXACTLY what smartygirl put in her post. Even her directions are 99% WORD FOR WORD as she only changed one word and one number. "Prepare" changed to "Follow the" and "1" changed to "4".
15 months ago: Well thats her for sure. A blogger by trade?
15 months ago: Whose to say any of her work is her own?
15 months ago: Please re-read my posting "A recipe for getting kicked of Google News"
15 months ago: That's fair. Without knowing the reason of the post. Then again. Nothing in it crossed the TOS. Are you not in fact backing down on your own statements by making that comment? Can't have it both ways. Sorry. If the page or any comment is offensive it needs to be deleted. Is that fair? Do me a favor and flag it. Let's see if it goes away.

Yes, White Hat is the proper ethical process.
15 months ago: Cully, correct me if I'm wrong. Were you not the one that posted a copy of an email that states she has "software"? Am I wrong? Go back to the link your critical of a look at "Article Spinning" and then watch the video on the subject.
15 months ago: No I don't see how I'm backing down on my own statements, perhaps you need to elaborate.

So let me be clear

1). Recipes are really easy to copy from another site, are not opinion and have no place on RantRave.

2). Posting a "News" story that could be read on any other web site WITHOUT having any Original OPINION added by the author needs to be deleted. Post a link to the original news story then add your opinion is the way it should work.

3). Stop the name calling, everybody has a Screen Name so use it when referring to the author. Not everybody agrees with everybody else's opinion, but if you can't be civil about it then don't post it.

4). Petty stupid, childish comments while maybe not defaming an author, opinion or violating the TOS need to be deleted. There is no need for some of the things in the reply comments.

Yes Cypress, smartygirl did tell me she had some software that she used to send Tweets or something. I did see where you wrote Video 1, Video 2 and such but did not see a link. I even went back to the top of he page to look for the. Maybe I missed them, I'll look again.

Also Cypress, I liked your article about Black Hat SEO and hope you do another one on White Hat SEO. The saying "You learn something new every day" is part of why I come to RantRave as well.
15 months ago: So would a Rant on "Potholes" be a good posting for this site?
15 months ago: Let me first get through this without "talking down" to a member.

If you visit the page you will see a picture. Look under that picture and find the word "videos".

You will see 3 (three). That would be left to right number 1, 2 and finally 3.

It is that hard to figure out?
15 months ago: Got it now. I have spent the last two weeks studying for the State Insurance Test so I'm a little off lately. I still have 2 more weeks or so to go. I know how Videos work on RR so I don't know why I missed it the first time, sorry.

Anyhow answer me this Cypress. If I post a link back to my RR post in Facebook comments about a story or Huffington Post or MSNBC comments is that wrong? When Rachel Maddow's Facebook Page asks every morning what are you reading I sometime link one of my RR posts.

I've only done this with a few of my RR's and only put the links to stories that are related to what the FB or other story is to begin with. (i.e. my Sarah Palin Spudnut rant was only linked in posts about that subject not a story about something else like Mike Huckabee)

I don't put up the links to every story, only a few I think are worthwhile. I did not link my Rave about The Cape anywhere and it got a lot of hits, yet a rant about the Tea Party got very little views even though I linked it to 3 or 4 sites.
15 months ago: Maybe it has something to do with the "Get Paid To Post" thing. Getting paid by using other people's work some how bothers me.
15 months ago: Cully,

What do you think a food section should be like?

In newspapers, there's editorials reviewing restaurants; there's lead stories about certain general topics, divided up by ethnicity, or divided up by some other regional style or by class of food, such as veg, meat, dairy, drink, dessert, etc.; there's how to cook sorta like a cooking show, but in put print; and there's all sorts of lists they do, what with good things to eat seasonally, locally, holiday-ally, partay-ally, and so forth-ally. Recipes are the talking point, so to speak, so let's make sure we contextualize how they are used and referred to as we go forth: please make a suggestion.

What are you having for dinner tonight? Please share, it kinda gives us a peep into the world of the person, something that would benefit the whole of relations, generally, on this site, for everyone.

Tonight I'm taking two beef shanks from the freezer and making a big pot of beef soup with greens, leeks, garlic, carrots and Jerusalem artichokes (weeds that grow with healthy tubers that are like potatoes.) I'll also make a kale salad. We had pea soup the night before, and my vegetarian wife will polish that off tonight, and the rest of us will look on with envy, since we all know how good it was the night before...

15 months ago: Cully. Are you "Link Farming"? Link farming can ge a group of sites that farm other sites as links. It can alos be as described and shown how to do in video number 1.

A Link wheel can be very complex and all it does is direct the spiders to all of the sites and the "Money Page". for a higher site rank in the searches.

So if you have 5 to 10 sites you write on and you send links to the other sites you write on and they all send links to sites that are your "Money Pages". Yes, your link farming.
15 months ago: Dang Pluto! You are making the "Pot Roast" that my son is cooking sound like it sucks wind. Yep. My son is cooking dinner tonight. A pot roast with taters and carrots and celery and such (I helped with the items that required use of sharp objects). Along with the usual stuff. I'm helping with the salad and fresh baked bread.

What time does the dinner bell ring at your house?
15 months ago: Cypress. I saw your Link Farming video and I don't think I'm doing that all. I don't have a network of sites I pick one or two to post a link on and they are not always the same sites each time. However, it makes sense now when I re-read smartygirl's e-mail about her group.

Pluto. I have no idea what I'll have for supper tonight. Last night I had a couple of "Cheese Brats".

Take two Johnsonville Beef Brats, Smoked Beef Bratwurst. Boil them in water for a few minutes then put them in Hot Dog Buns and sprinkle Shredded Cheese over them and Microwave them for 35 seconds to melt the cheese. I like Johnsonville Beddar Cheddar's done the same way too.

Another favorite of mine is to combine soup and pasta. Take half a box of your favorite Mueller's pasta like Zita, Elbows, Bow Ties or whatever. Boil for 10 to 12 minutes depending upon the type of pasta. Then open two cans of Campbell's Chunky soups like Sirloin Burger, Vegetable even Potato and Bacon pour them into a large Measuring Cup and Microwave for the last 2 minutes of the boiling Pasta. Drain and Rinse the Pasta and return to the pot then pour the soup from the measuring cup over the pasta and stir.

I think the Food Section should be opinions about Food. Who has the best French Fries, Wendy's or McDonalds? Who has the best steaks or seafood or whatever. It could opinions on what types of food is good for you and what is not. Write about why you ove a Filet Mignon over a New York T-Bone. Just posting up a straight up recipe does not count.
15 months ago: I guess I'm wrong. Too bad. The page has been deleted. Oh well. Time to move on.
15 months ago: I used to think like Justlogic. But it seems R&R isn't really looking to be a commercial success. I admit I'm not at all sure what it is they are going for with this site. I mean if its just a place for the minions to practice playing devils advocate it seems like a whole lot of nice design wasted when a simple forum would do.

I've stopped posting. I'll admit it I was writing to make money and I did really well here. But I now understand that whatever this site is, its not for that kind of thing. So I stopped. I'll find somewhere else to write. Google news is full of people who like to read the stuff i like to write.

I thought about writing recipes. 20 years as a professional chef has left me with quite the repertoire. But it would just start more crap with the minions. I have never in my life seen so few say so much about so little. It just boggles my mind.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Why don't you put that to work for you and write a book on recipes.
15 months ago: I personally would love to see some of your cooking ideas. Allrecipes plagerism is not your deal, I'm sure. I have been intending to write up food opinion myself, more than "here's a menu for tonight's catch" or "here's a recipe on how to cook tuna" but rather, "here's how to cook, sorta like here's how to fish...and now let's try this out in the kitchen."

As such, I have made 2 raves about greens, and I have explained my self, my motive and the meals I intend to share. I would love it if you and others would help make the food section a destination on the web: no I'm not joking, let's try and see if R&R can build up a food following that gets notoriety. Now you know dang sure it ain't happening on my watch by my lonesome, arrogant self, and good, pro chefs like you who are good writers would be the key to pulling this off.

I'm going to focus on the food section for a while, and I'd like not to be the only poster of raves. People mostly don't know how to cook, they think it's getting something at the drive thru, at the center aisle of the frozen food section in the grocery store, or even grabbing pasta and hamburger helper with (my favorite) canned fruit in #2 corn syrup...I miss drinking the syrup from the can...

I am hoping Alex and the mods will let me know ahead of time in the comments section of my food posts if I am crossing over the line, but I say let's do something well and try to attract a readership. I'm in it, and I promise to keep my snotty opinions to my self.

So perhaps one way to go is to discuss the who, what, why, where, when and lastly the how (recipe) of cooking, using the "how" recipe as the topic for the day or, better, as the "teachable moment" for the editorial opinion on the who, what, where, etc. I'm gonna do a post on chopped greens-salad, of which there are a bazillion variations, including dressings, and in that talk about how to chop, what to chop, adding color, how beauty and smell go a long way to making people hungry and want to eat food, how greens clean you out (OK maybe for another post,) and how you can use that kale/ mustard salad the next day in your rice/ quinoua/ millet you made up for lunch the next day.
15 months ago: @ slim

With the lack of response by the ADMIN, I am not encouraged to keep writing for RR. I earned here too. Not posting is not about money, but distrust of the site and their lack of response. When a site hits a rough patch, like RR is now, its members gain insight into those behind the site.

All cannot get left up to Markbrn to moderate. It's unfair and not HIS job.


Funny though - RR lured writers with the "get paid to post," didn't get enough of them, so they bumped rev share to 100% claiming to be BETTER than ALL other REVENUE SHARE SITES. Once that got new writers they threatened to cut it in 1/2, but let it go for awhile. After too many GN posts through Google News that don't adhere to GN rules then Super Bowl spammer, RR jerks 50%, claims site redirection, and nothing changes.

People, led by Alex Layton's example IMO, are responding as though writing and earning is THE problem, which it is not.

RR needs to accept responsibility for their mistakes, but instead they're allowing a thread w/tons of comments completely contradict what Alex Layton wrote. I don't get it. This post about re-focused efforts has turned into another RR brawl and a "witch hunt" for one member.


Contact me if you're interested in a couple good sites for recipes, if you don't have another place to write. You can fare way better there and your posts wont get marred by others criticism of you, rather than ingredients!

Nothing wrong w/recipes and I'm sure you have some great ones. I think people do best when they write about what they know. People need to eat!

15 months ago: Alex_,

It is hyperbole to say "witch hunt" when she is being criticized for blatant and proven plagerism which is a major portion of why R&R has "hit a rough patch." She is being held accountable for her actions as they have been proven.

Otherwise, you have done nothing wrong, although I do have a philosophical difference with the writing style you promote about earning money vs. the writing style that comes from the heart/ mind/ soul/ spirit/ community/ earth/ art/ nature/ universe/ etc. You should not feel run off for your views, rather just adapt to the fact you will earn only half of what you used to: if you and others like slim take off, it will be hard for me to think it's just sour grapes over picking on the smartygirl...as she has said often, recently: "Cha-Ching!"

I'm as annoyed as anybody over the admin of this site, but I have seen much worse on a daily basis in the real world, where issues come up, and within a matter of time, hopefully all this will be sorted out/ forgotten. It is easy to point a finger at the earn money inconsistency...50% to 100% to 50% again...but if you remain consistent on the reason why you write, none of that should matter, in the long run.

Here at R&R there is a wide open field to set up on in the food section, and I do think recipes should be permitted within an editorial context, but not like the plagerized versions of Allrecipes by the smartygirl: I will name names since I definitively proved such action on this thread, just above. What are you making for dinner, Cully's got us all beat with those brats.
15 months ago: If I was going to be "run off for my views" then I'd have left a long time ago. This site has a conservative lean and I'm bent in another direction.

This site lacks consistency. A choice to discontinue posting wouldn't be about money, and not about your posts on the plagiarism member. That doesn't even make sense. Your ignorance about the Adsense program is causing you to misunderstand intent.

You measure my reply assuming everything written is cutting the veins of integrity, while you continue to show an ear full of stone. One image caused your development of an entire persona that is not me. Perhaps it's your objective and you like poking at people.

Posting things in comments is not "holding her accountable" for her actions. This is harassment not accountability and it doesn't change one thing. RR needs to delete the PLAGIARISM articles, not allow people to harass someone, right or wrong. It's like throwing rocks through the windows of someone accused of a crime.

You're not seeing the bigger picture. I don't know if you just disagree w/things I say on principle now or what, but the blame on her is misguided. The fall of RR is not a one person deal. This post was fed by A Layton setting it up by blaming "the wrong kind of writers." It seems a blatant pick and choose of rules apply here. RR enabled this to happen and didn't listen or take action.

If I stop writing here it's because I am not going to put more time and effort into a site that says one thing and does another. I grew up w/that, I don't need it to breed into the thing that keeps me breathing. Writing is my bullet proof vest. You are so busy taking my inventory because I suggested a way that poor people can earn money that you fail to see the truth.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Many of you blame the 99ers and unemployed for you not liking something or other. Just like everyone else, toss every day people away as if they don't matter so that your egos can be inflated listening to yourselves. Isn't that what our Government has been doing? 99ers generated a lot of comments which people are interested in. Who do you want? People like yourself who only channel each other's views. Very shortsighted.
15 months ago: @Sunny -

You need to understand that the point about the 99ers and unemployment topics, at least the point that I am personally making, is that there were many articles posted that hurt this site (whether admin will admit it or not). When ANY RR member posts a title as an "attention grabber" then writes about nothing in it, the articles eventually lower the overall site quality. It is also against the RR Restricted Use terms

"Contains misleading tags and/or titles that don't match the Rants and Raves content, including irrelevant/excessive tagging.

I empathize w/you wanting to protect those you think are struggling like you. The fact is that a lot of the posts were more like blog posts used for attention, complaining, and did NOT work to support you guys, regardless of the comments. When Google looks at RR to evaluate their use of Google News, it's about the content that RR lets through to the news.

I've said all along that I support help for all Americans who are suffering because of the economy, something like another stimulus plan, because there are more hurting that just 99ers. Read my articles for their meaning and you'll see I support you.


Many of you blame the 99ers and unemployed for you not liking something or other

I don't understand what you're saying. The "blame" actually needs to fall on RR who let members post too many RRs against the Google News terms. Before the influx of 99ers, this site did not come up on Alexa (a site that ranks all websites and is used by many to determine the worth of the site - it shows traffic, ranking, top searches, etc.)

Look at Alexa's stats about RantRave:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rantrave.c...#

The comments about the 99ers aren't against you personally. It could have been any topic, any group, and the results would be the same. So, please understand it's not a slam on you. I hope this helps you see that.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Alex I was speaking of the caustic remarks and sarcasm that the 99ers/unemployed get from people that show no mercy or let up. I realize that you show support, and I also know many, many are struggling. We do a lot of charity work all over the world. Right now we just finished yesterday with a wonderful concert that helps people develop in their Community. We help people from broken homes to restructure their lives. All aside, I care more about focusing on climbing out of this mess. If there is a will there is a way. We can't give up or give out because we are Americans. I don't feel slammed because I will slam them back. Of course, nicely.
15 months ago: I don't blame the 99'ers as I'm still unemployed myself. I do think the 99'er stories got a little out of hand and seemed to repeat each other. I originally found RantRave from a link posted on Unemployed States of America and my very first Rant was an update of one I had posted on there and other similar forums.

What derailed RantRave was a group of people posting nonsense just to run up Page Views and Ad Clicks then we had a Spam Attack on Super Bowl Sunday. As an Admin on another web site that has been spammed before I can tell you such an attack is seldom random. Somebody wanted to take RantRave down. The question is who and why.

Both Perfect Horizon ranked 26 and Slim Pickens ranked 30 have said in this thread that they have stopped posting on RantRave, how many more regular authors will also quit?
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: I realize that Cully. Not all people bash the 99ers.
I think some people who are unemployed are just desparate for support while others ruin it for them by choosing to be deceitful. I pretty much could weed them out. It is a shame they bring down the site by using it for there own purposes outside of contributing worthwhile comments.
I saw an interview on the Ed Schultz Show and that is what directed me to the site. I was impressed with that interview.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Here is something to talk about job creation. I'm tired of the recipe thing.
I don't even want to look at a recipe.
senator_harry_reid@reid-report.enews.senate.gov
It crucial legislation which will create 280,000 jobs and modernize air travel.
15 months ago: She is right. Lets have a nice conversation about potholes and sex offenders while we are in our hotel rooms using mifi.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Better than comparing recipes Happy.
15 months ago: OK if there's gonna be more moderators for this site, assign them to the topics that run across the top of the screen, so that Alex Layton does the home page and whole site, then others do each subject heading. Put Cully in charge of something, and give TCG something to do also. I expressly do not would not be right for such a thing, so please don't think I'm fishing for more volunteer work by virtue of this comment.

Put Leahealthnut in charge of moderating the food section -- I think she'd be great! Maybe to get started, you assign a few headings to one moderator, but as the site builds, please spread out the moderating work. For sure, your best crew is the one here now writing on R&R -- you can always be the corporate puss later on and pull folks from their moderating job when you find someone better...

15 months ago: You know that dog won't hunt. I'm already the most hated person on the site. If I don't hold the record for deleted post and comments, I'm very close to the top of the list. Some readers seem to think I get a pass. They would be confused. I have just learned where the line is drawn and I will go right to the edge.

Not sure about my deletions? Ask any old timer. Do not ot think I'm whinning about it. I'm not. I'm just pointing out a little know fact the newbies don't know. Don't say I'm in cahoots with the admins. Unlike most, I'm not afraid to point out things to them either. I have been doing that for quite a while also.
15 months ago: I disagree, I think people that show a real passion and interest in RantRave should be Moderators. That is NOT saying that MarkByrn is not, just that people like The Cypress Gang who does show their passion for this site would make good Moderators.

15 months ago: I have worked very hard to be a jerk, who you calling the most hated person 'round here, mister? Deleted posts -- I got deleted posts too! Ratch here on this dang thread, you bet. You, TCG have been too concerned about the welfare of others' experience on this to be the man you say you are: SEO what? Just a second, hold on...{href -- jekl:y>>...there, that's better...now we can all hold internet hands.

You try and be hated, but you're no good at it. When I first showed up here, sure, you were perceived as a bad guy, but that was just your first impression, on me, and that has faded into the cuddly teddy bear you are. You try your level best, but even me, the most liberal thing on two feet, thinks your a winner. Sure, some of the **** for tat you do is entertaining, and it comes from a desire to push libs and others to the edge, but dang it, haven't you seen the view from the edge of the canyon -- that's why we go to the edge, and if you take me there, fine, then let's at least enjoy the view.

I have certainly alienated Alex_, Slim, Ed Lee and a few others by virtue of my know-it-all-ness, and I'd like to see you top that ill-behavior, since I don't recall you being such a know-it-all, and that goes a long way to really irritating people, which you are far from doing -- you're much more of an entertainer. This is my long way of saying, again, you'd be a great moderator, and I'd be a terrible one, 'cause I'm a bigger chump than you, na, na, na, na, boo, boo.

[Disclaimer: to all who lack a sense of sarcasm, do not worry, there's not of it in use above.]
15 months ago: Trust me. Ask around. You have missed most of my sarcasm. I'll give you a heads up on the day I decide to return to the old days. Jerkel
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Okay, Okay I won't leave you since we all have the same passion. I never wanted to, but you bother me sometimes. I can take it just like the next person, but I really care about my fellow American. Gee, you are setting my computer on fire today. I have nothing against any one of you.
15 months ago: Feel better now? Anything else you want to add? Please. Get it out so you don't get an ulcer.
sunny2
sunny2
15 months ago: Yes, I feel better. I'll continue to enjoy all of your rantings.
15 months ago: I'm glad! Please feel free to add anything you need to ASAP. I'm currently working on a sabbatical plan in another post. I might not be here (for a while) to answer in the near future. Please get it all out now. You will feel better!
15 months ago: Whoa...now TCG leaf is falling off the tree...is that what I see? Sabbatical? How long? Please tell me this is not a "soft suspension." Could it be R&R is really trying to clean up its act? I better check my back!
15 months ago: Funny. Your lax in your reading and formation skills.

It was my own offer in another post to take a sabbatical.

You might want to hone your skills a tad bit more.

The offer was refused by the player because I required them to stop gaming.

I'm waiting on a counter offer from the offender. They were given a one hour time limit to reply.
15 months ago: Oh man, you're not an R&R addict, are you? The gamer won't quit with you? I've heard of gaming addiction, where people play all day, is that this person you're waiting for? I wonder if R&R should start an outreach program for R&R addicts, so it doesn't have to come to this...I'll miss you TCG.
15 months ago: Sorry to inform you that the time limit on my offer has expired even with an extension offer. The author did not make a counter offer within the extension time period. So the TCG Sabbatical is pulled off of the table.

Nice to know your thoughts though.
15 months ago: I suggest you read the post before your next damp dream. You need a link? It's not hard to find for a below average internet user.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
15 months ago: Is a damp dream a senior citizen's version of a wet dream? Keep it classy.
15 months ago: Sorry. I thought "Wet Dream" would be deleted. Uh, Mark?

Still allowing backlinks?
15 months ago: It's good when people play nice. LOL
13 months ago: I'm ready for my close up Mr Layton...Thanks for the heads up.

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