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RantRave: A Decline of Respect

Posted 24 months ago|24 comments|624 views
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TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
As many long-time R&Rs can attest to, I’ve posted on RantRave for some time. More recently I’ve been back and forth about it. I check the site almost daily, but rarely write anything. Unfortunately, I believe I’ve figured out why.

Upon reading HeyNoni’s final posting I observed an interesting dynamic. Instead of the respectful, intelligent debate between friends, which is what RantRave used to all about (a pseudo-community if you will), even the users think it’s some sort of “war” where there are “opponents” who’s ideas need to be crushed. I think this is the main reason people like Coloranter_Raver, whose ability to write and debate in a respectful manner is still unmatched, have left our community.

I encourage you to think about the things you say and the ways in which you say them. To you, the person you are ‘opposed’ to in this ‘war’ is stupid, naïve, or both. Most likely, they are none of the above. People hold their ideological and moral beliefs for many reasons, interaction with peers, such as here on the site, is only one ways to develop such traits. If you are talking as a hard-line, foul-mouthed, disrespectful person who also happens to be conservative the inference is you are that way because they are republican (or something to that effect).

But if you can cite sources, speak with respect, and supply positive feedback you may not only get your point across, but you could possibly make a new friend.

So you see, when you step back and think about it, treating the person you are talking to as you enemy and not as your friend is just a waste of your time, since you will most likely not convince them of anything you intended to. Not only that, they may attribute your negative traits to your political party.
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Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
24 months ago: Sadly, I've witnessed this as well. Thank you for the post.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
24 months ago: I love this website, and have done both attacked (retaliate) and been attacked.

But mostly, all I want to do here is give and receive knowledge.

I want to help people and learn from them.

Your are right that some here, do not want to learn or to teach of their knowledge.

But only live to attack, ridicule, criticize and beat down any ideas or opinions of others.

We have to put up with them and as I do --ignore them as much as possible.

So, we lets have fun and live and let live.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
24 months ago: Too true, Tom Wing

Not only will you reinforce the biases of your counterpart, but allowing yourself to get angry diminishes your capacity for logical thought. No one has all the right answers.

HeyNoniNoni was one of the reasons I stuck around here, and though he was quick with a barb, or a demeaning comment, we eventually set up a mutual respect, slugging it out in a civilized manner. He won a few points, and got me to think over his position, and I like to think I did the same.

I don't think HNN left because he was exasperated. I think he cut the cord because it was eating into his time. I don't think anyone worth their salt will let someone else run them off, unless they are not sure of their position in the first place.

And to everyone else who gets berated, goaded, and generally talked down to, don't let it get to you. Just keep on keeping on.
22 months ago: Just for the record, I am quick with barbs. It's true. But they're not directed at the person. Rather, they're directed at the idea or logic (or lack thereof). I never call anyone "fools" or "idiots" or "morons." I say things like "that's a silly idea," "that makes no sense whatsoever," or "this link proves that's bullpucky."

OK, in the case of redstateguy, I poke fun at him a little, but he makes it so darn easy with his content-free declarations of truth...
22 months ago: Really? You might want to delete your account to remove all records and repost.
24 months ago: I'm trying real hard. I'm sure I'll slip sooner or later.
24 months ago: I'm pretty new here, but for the most part I think everyone is pretty chill.

No overt racist remarks, not too much name calling.

Most of the barbs and callous jabs I've gotten are from people that pop in and then pop out never to be heard from again.

We can share the sandbox without insulting each other. And we should never feel the need to try to "correct" everyone we feel is "wrong."

There are plenty of other sites out there that I just avoid because they are juvenile and pointless.

This site is the bomb and I feel privileged to be able to share. I will never abuse that privledge by being intentionally condescending, mean-spirited or rude.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
24 months ago: I agree that it is important to respect each other and when I call Red an ignorant hick and he berates me as being a socialist, it is all in fun, and perhaps playing a bit of the part that people would expect of our avatars.
I value the informative aspect of all of the posts and try not to denigrate anyone.
I hope we all call each other on this if we slip up.
24 months ago: Al.

Ditto.
24 months ago: Obama is still a Jimmy Carter though.
24 months ago: Nope, your wrong RED.
Jimmy Carter had a farm that produced peanuts and took government payments not to farm.

Barack Obama eats peanuts and takes government payments not to work. Unless you count the "Victory Garden".

My bad....You were speaking to employment, GDP, wages, taxes, inflation, terrorist attacks, social justice and long lines for everything.

Coming soon to a theater near you...
24 months ago: oooooohhhhhhhhh.

24 months ago: By the way Tom.

I recall you were pretty harsh on me before you took a vacation.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: SOLO IS THINKING OUTLOUD: A rare glimpse into the mind of Siempre Solo!


ME: Hogwash! All of you dimwitted fringe tea party lunatics can kiss my liberal socialist agenda loving….

MYSELF: Ahem!

ME: Yes?

MYSELF: We do not talk like that here!

ME: Are you sure?

MYSELF: Yes!

ME: But I’ve seen the other side do it!

MYSELF: True, but we are better than them. We are civil and evolved, culturally superior if it comes down to it!

ME: Yes you are right!

MYSELF: I know, which is why we have to talk slowly and softly in very non threatening tones and with very simple words, so as not to excite their primitive aggressive nature. Remember they are carnivores not highly evolved vegetarians such as we.

ME: So true, so true

MYSELF: What say you, I? You’ve remained silent this whole time.

I: Whatever!
24 months ago: Cypress talking to Siempre after Siempre speaks....

SS: True, but we are better than them. We are civil and evolved, culturally superior if it comes down to it!

SS: I know, which is why we have to talk slowly and softly in very non threatening tones and with very simple words, so as not to excite their primitive aggressive nature. Remember they are carnivores not highly evolved vegetarians such as we.

TCG: Prozac required
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: I’m sorry C, I’m not your Dr. you will have to ask your real health professional for a refill on your prescription; as for me my I.V. drip provides a steady supply of all the necessary anti psychosis medications! Then again perhaps I’m part of a controlled test study group and I’m the one that’s been getting the placebo’s. Twitch, Twitch!
24 months ago: Switch, Switch!
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: I have to tell you all something about RantRave and how I see it. It is rough and tumble, and it's wild and woolly, and it's a blast, it really is fun because, dammit, there is nothing better than going out there and fighting the fight.

You like that? Okay, so I quoted Tom Cruise as he was insanely raving about Scientology but you get the point. I joined up in July and I saw not a shred of evidence that suggested the site was respectful with intelligent debate between friends. The first rant I made, TCG came back with a clever barb - "Am I in the rest room reading the walls?"

Yes, it was a barb, but it's entertaining and that's why pundits like like Beck & Matthews make ratings and money. You have to be prepared for some rough cross-examination but people are also inclined to give props when you hit one out of the park. This is RantRave.com - here's what the site promises:

Independent thinkers who crave a fresh perspective and yearn to speak their piece. You can rave or rant.
No topic is too trivial, no matter too momentous.
Giving the world a piece of your mind. There has never been a better place to let your feelings fly. Leave the profanity at the door. Pornographic material has no place here

That mission statement has allowed this website to thrive. The variety of topics that get covered here is amazing, and it is done so in a manner that allows for all perspectives to weigh in without devolving into profanity laced insult fests.

While I might disagree with my fellow rantravers on this or that topic, I respect you all as capable thinkers who don't wilt on the vine. There's the occasional crossing of the line that the moderators deal with, but let's not neuter the exchanges under the guise of 'respect' - dry passionless debate is fine in a classroom but it's also a sure fire recipe to kill the site and let's not pretend that the site was a sanguine utopia in the long past.
24 months ago: *TWEET*TWEET*
scotmanster
scotmanster
24 months ago: Someone should have looked at the title of this website. Ponders the word rant and wonders what type of people that word attracts. That is why I came here was to rant mostly more so than the raving part.

But I hear you Tom yes I agree fully we should all try and respect one another no matter how much we differ in views. No matter how much those views may be twisted, illogical, irrational, obtuse, irrelevant, annoying, inconceivable, out left field, off base, looney, insane, childish, unfathomable, outer space,...... ok ok I can't think of anymore now!
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
24 months ago: You are correct RSG, that i have. As the site has evolved, so have all of us. I am not advocating a return the close-knit, afraid to offend people site of last year, but just more mutual respect between us.
24 months ago: *SWEET**SWEET*
Missing my barbs? Eh?
Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
24 months ago: Starting off hot under the collar and ending up with a slight shift in opinion is what it is all about. I miss the people who have left. A wide array op opinions attracts new readers and contributors. I try not to scare anyone away. I'm sure some people disagree strongly with my opinions. It goes both ways
24 months ago: Family affairs have kept me away. Aunt is properly laid to rest and brother's care is taking a new direction. Only have one major chore left to do and pulling the pump from a 200 foot well tonight does not thrill me so I'm taking a break to catch up on the goings on here and oh what a party!

Much food for thought, some responses from areas that are surprising at the least and some that are, well let's just say, very surprising.

Sometimes the banter is quite entertaining and sometimes the words are just meant to insult, as if that will cause the target to cease pressing the point. I'm guilty of pressing, sometimes to no end; logic is lost on many, sometimes even me! But I'm learning all the while, just have to give me the right data to bring me to your viewpoint and I'll try to do the same for you and if not, we can agree to disagree, without the insults and belittling words.

Keep posting Tom, we need and enjoy your viewpoint, even if we don’t always agree with what you might have to say. And as for the rest of you nut cases, see ya at the water cooler!

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