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President Obama's Jobs Bill too Vague

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sunny2
The New Jobs Bill proposal sent to my e-mail boxfrom the White House is too vague and says nothing specific. No. 3 particularly struck a nerve.

The President is asking for our support. He is asking us to fax, send letters, and call Senators and Representatives to support this Bill. When we tried this before and sent our desperate messages to the White House and protested together in the streets and gathered together in DC to be heard and action to be taken, they turned away despite our pleas for help. They turned the American worker into beggers at that point, and our requests fell on deaf ears. Election time is drawing near and President Obama seems to be on a campaign trail.

#3 (He is talking of extending people already on unemployment such as he did before when the long-term unemployed were waiting and hoping for a break and thought we got one, but no.) He mentions training programs to help the long-term unemployed, but this means another year or more out of work while in training. Who can afford this? It is too late. You need a car and gas to go back and forth to a school or extra money in your pocket for travel expenses to a school by public transportation. You need extra cash no matter how you look at it for food, clothes, etc.
( He should toss around the idea of getting employers to have on the job training programs for people or allow time to get off work earlier or at least one or two days a week to attend classes.) Work would be part- time while in training. Not many will be given an opportunity for an on line program at home and even that would require expensive internet connections that many can't afford. I think at this point we have run out of time. No one has the privilege of attending classes without some sort of an income. The unemployed who are receiving benefits couldn't stretch their dollars enough because of their own basic living expenses that are probably hard to cover as it is. Also, these training programs will be flooding the work force where competition will be made heavier than it already is and still not enough jobs will come available for everyone who has had training.
I myself had completed a Computer Program at a school years ago, but I was lucky to find work after the program and kept it the job for over 10 years until that job was outsourced. Others in my same class at the time did not find work so easily even though the school promises to place people in jobs.

JOBS BILL: President Obama
Here are a few important points about how the American Jobs Act works, and why Congress should act quickly:

First, it provides a tax cut for small businesses, not big corporations, to help them hire and expand now and provides an additional tax cut to any business that increases wages.
Second, it puts people back to work, including teachers, first responders and veterans coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan, and construction workers repairing crumbling bridges, roads and more than 35,000 public schools, with projects chosen by need and impact, not earmarks and politics.
Third, it helps out-of-work Americans by extending unemployment benefits to help them support their families while looking for work and reforming the system with training programs that build real skills, connect to real jobs and help the long-term unemployed.
Fourth, it puts more money in the pockets of working and middle class Americans by cutting in half the payroll tax that comes out of every worker's paycheck, saving families an average of $1,500 a year. And it removes the barriers that exist in the current federal refinancing program (HARP) to help more Americans refinance their mortgages at historically low rates, save money and stay in their homes.
The American Jobs Act is based on ideas supported by both Democrats and Republicans, and is fully paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes and by asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share. It would have an immediate impact on job and economic growth, but Congress has to act now.

You can learn more about the American Jobs Act on Whitehouse.gov.

Over the next few days there are a number of ways for you to ask questions and engage with Administration officials about the American Jobs Act including Open for Questions live panels and Twitter Office Hours.

In fact, next week, I'll be participating in my very first White House Office Hours on Twitter, so be sure to tune in and send me your questions using the hashtag #WHChat.

Here's a list of the full lineup of events so far:

Today at 4:30 p.m. EDT: Brian Deese, Deputy Director of the National Economic Council will be answering your questions on Twitter during White House Office Hours using the hashtag #WHChat.
Monday September 12 at 4:30 p.m. EDT: White House Office Hours on Twitter with Stephanie Cutter, Assistant to the President and Deputy Senior Advisor.
Tuesday, September 13 at 5:30 p.m. EDT: I'll be answering your questions on Twitter during White House Office Hours using the hashtag #WHChat.
Wednesday, September 14th at 4:00 p.m. EDT: White House Office Hours with Brian Deese, Deputy Director of the National Economic council.
Sincerely,

David Plouffe

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8 months ago: sunny2,

The jobs bill President Obombasta presented on Thursday seemed like a sad third grader's Powerpoint presentation about why he deserves a new pet dog.

The only memorable line was "Pass this bill".

I found it interesting how quickly and enthusiastically the members of Connedgress applauded and cheered as needed. I guess they were well rested from their month long tax-payer funded vacations all across the globe.


Pastor Dinary
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: PD It's all fake.
We aren't gaining any ground.
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sunny2
8 months ago: Pastor...I'm in constant amazement how these people think we can be fooled over and over again.
We can't let them walk all over us. This is getting crazy.
I hear Government officials say how disatisfied the American people are and how frustrated, but it's the same old rhetoric. The President isn't making any points with anyone. The Republicans will shut him down again. I wonder if he knows what is going on. He is out there practically preaching. He must think we are stupid.
8 months ago: I agree Obama did not provide enough detail. I agree that calling and writing our representatives will do nothing. In fact most GOP Tea Baggers had published a generic copy and paste response on why it won't work and they won't help just after the speech.

There is no guarantee, except for the "shovel ready" jobs the government can provide, that small business or any business will actually hire more people. The private sector is cutting back and sitting tight and it will take some strong incentives to make them change.

Say you're a small business with 10 employees and you get a $1,000 credit back per employee due to this Jobs Act. Do you hire another employee or do you pocket $10k in extra profit for you business?

Say you're a small business and you want to hire a long-term unemployed person and get a $4k credit to do so because of the jobs act. It will cost you $16,640 (at $8 per hour) for a years pay for that employee, so your business just lost $12,640 in profit for the year.

I loved the speech, I wish the Kick **** Obama would come out more often that he does. However, I think we all know nothing is going to happen.
sunny2
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8 months ago: Cully --- These people are suppose to be trained to correct what's wrong with this economy. They can't, but they have been elected to office. I hope that this isn't repeated in the next election. Somehow everyone will smarten up.
I'm sincerely bothered by all of this. It almost feels that they have us in a vice.
These people are making me clostrophobic.
Obama is talking about job training. It doesn't really work. Markets flooded. What if there are jobs created, and the Government subsidizes pay say take $8 an hour and Gov pays 1.00 toward every hour of that. Is that a lot? I'm not saying just hire for the sake of it, I'm saying if the company is in need of an employee, wouldn't it work if they choose a long term and gave them a chance; therefore they would save money? Giving 4K is too much. They would be more in a mess. Instead of hiring someone that is either working at the time without a gap in employment and bypassing a long- term person, give a small incentive. This way the employer gets an employee who wants to work and gets them back into the system. Even if it is subsidized for 6 months to see how they work out.
sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: I think he is asking for our blood.
8 months ago: So you expected a detailed explanation of a complex jobs program in a speech? I am sure the actual bill will be available for you to read but even then would you truly understand it? I mean economics is not as easy as the tea party would like you to believe.

The most memorable thing he said was not "pass this bill" it was that the bill is designed to be paid for. But of course that gets him no slack from the peanut gallery.

the 4K tax break is designed to overcome the current trend of employers not wanting to hire the long term unemployed by offering an incentive. Is that not a good idea? Cully seems to think that its forcing someone to hire, its not its only incentivising the hiring of longer termed unemployed.

Obama showed leadership, he can only bring us to the water he can not make us drink. The republican ideology has not netted us a single job and we will not tolerate the federal government's creation of "make work" so just what in your opinion should be done.

No one is "trained to correct the economy" they are only educated as to the cause and effect of economics there is no magic bullet.

You know its easy to say cut this and cut that but it will not bring us any closer to finding a balance. You cut programs for the poor and small business loose their employee base because they cant afford to live in the area or transportation costs or simply loose their homes and faith in the system to become homeless and unemployable.

Is the Obama plan sound? probably. Will it solve all the problems? Of course not. But more then anything right now we need a direction to expend our efforts and the current trend in Washington of bringing the conversation to a stalemate at every turn is killing this country.

We have become a country of personal isolationists. As long as we as individuals can find a roof and a meal we don't care about others. Its not how our country has made the impact it has over the past 200 odd years and it will be the end of us.
8 months ago: A 4K tax credit for hiring the long term unemployed is a good idea, but with 15 million unemployed that's $60 billion in tax credits. I was looking at it from a business point of view. Would I hire more people if I did not need them just to get the tax credit and the answer is no. Sadly, I think that is true for most employers, although I hope I'm wrong
8 months ago: I truly do not believe Business's should just hire people for no reason. This bill makes it more advantageous to hire the long term unemployed to fill positions you may have available. Not to simply add more mouths to your company payroll.
sunny2
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8 months ago: Exactly. But that is the way it should be. There should be fairness to hire capable and qualified people that fit the position. At this time, you can be qualified and do everything right and they look at a gap and that's it. No job.
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8 months ago: Slim, it is discouraging when nothing works out. Actually, I expected less. I have to differ with you, there are trained economist and specialist in that field that can help. There are professors out there constantly giving their advice on how to fix the economy, but no one is welcomed in this Administration. I don't think the 4K tax break will do anything different. It is stalemated out there. It isn't going to change for a long time and probably get worse as they dilly dally.
Everyone is fighting to get back to where we were, and on a whole Americans aren't pleased with what is going on. When it comes to survival, you have to think of yourself first. It doesn't mean you don't care. You aren't in a situation to help others. You can't criticize someone for that. If you help yourself first, you are making things better. There isn't that luxury at this time of helping the other guy. We are on our own.
I would like to believe in his Leadership but nothing has been resolved only what he wants. Once he appeals to the people for help, it will be business as usual and the people will come 2nd.
8 months ago: Are you of the mind that Obama does not have economists on staff? Or that he isn't listening to his advisors? He didn't come up with this on his own. It is a stalemate out there but the only way to rebound is to rebound as a country, Not as individuals.

"I would like to believe in his Leadership but nothing has been resolved only what he wants. Once he appeals to the people for help, it will be business as usual and the people will come 2nd. "


I would like to know what it is you are talking about with this statement because it sounds like you are parroting the conservative cliche.
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sunny2
8 months ago: Of course he has economist on his staff. I don't see them doing any good. They must be under someone's thumb. We are all Americans and want the same thing, and therefore, we rebound as a Nation. It still takes the effort of the individual to get there to resolve problems one job at a time.
We have been 2nd in this Administration. There is no doubt about it. Too much time wasted and fighting, doesn't help us. I'm not interested in being one or the other and please don't insult me. I'm speaking as an American citizen that has lived through this mess.
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8 months ago: Reported in the Huffington Post today:
The Tax Incentive May Be Killed.To gain congressional approval for an extension the White House will first have to convince lawmakers that the tax exemptions are adequate motivation for employers to add jobs. Critics say the tax credit has had little effect, and is being claimed mostly by companies already in expansion mode that would have hired regardless of the tax credit. Further, government officials say anecdotal evidence suggests companies are unaware the incentive even exists.
Since President Obama's mention of the program in his State of the Union address "there's been little further marketing, which Treasury is now trying to correct," writes the Wall Street Journal.

A report released by the Treasury Department on Monday examines whether the bill is working to spur job creation. Officials highlight the 4.5 million long-term unemployed workers hired from February to May 2010. Their employers are now eligible for $5.1 billion in 2010 tax relief, a subsidy that will cost the government $13 billion by 2019, according to estimates by the Joint Committee on Taxation.

8 months ago: sunny2,

Despite President Obombasta's slick Powerpoint theatrics, Americans are not convinced that his mantra "Pass this bill" will fix the economy.

Even if the American Jobs Act ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-offi... ) somehow works as planned, all that will be accomplished is that a number of small businesses will get a tax break for hiring desperate 99ers at minimum wage.


Cully Waggoner,

I agree, many small businesses will not hire despite the tax break.

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.


Slim Pickens,

You seem eager to "Pass this bill".

Please explain how the American Jobs Act could possibly create any real amount of living-wage jobs.

To me it seems like a way of buying the votes of small business owners who are willing to take the legal risk of hiring and firing 99ers.


Pastor Dinary
8 months ago: Dinary

You are cherry picking one item out of the group. The 4K tax credit is only designed to level the field for the long term unemployed. This tax cut is not for 99rs as much as it is for the small business's who need to hire but are still not doing well enough to cover the cost.

The "Returning Heroes" hiring tax credit for veterans helps displaced military vets who deserve better treatment.

Modernizing at least 35,000 public schools and Preventing up to 280,000 teacher layoffs will go a long way to stabilizing what many (myself included) see as a failing educational system. this is also public works which not only keeps those teachers working but provides business's with construction and repair contracts which will allow more workers to work and thereby support the economy with both their tax and purchasing dollars.

This is a solid plan. Many of the measures are temporary (2-4) years probably some will last a bit longer but its far better then cutting the legs out from under the already overburdened seniors and infirm, while lining the pockets of big business with tax cuts they neither need nor will allow to "trickle down" to either workers or consumers.

Your Obambasta statements show you in unflattering light as a small minded egotistical child who resorts to name calling instead of intellectual discussion I would guess you belong to the tea party along with the other economic illiterates who still think that running the federal budget is the same as running a household.

sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: It won't help the average person. It will be all focused on the rich to maintain their life style.
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sunny2
8 months ago: Slim I hope and wish all good for you, and that you never have to endure the the plight of the unemployed.
From what I see go to Newark, NJ and you will see Vets on the Streets begging for coins for something to eat. Not too nice for America. Not too nice that they fought for this Country but don't have a roof over their heads. I'm happy that he will take care of the teachers as you say, but what about everyone else who can't get a teaching position or are in another field. This has to take care of everyone. What about the simple office job that is meant to cover your rent and food. I have a cousin who taught 4th graders for 30 years and now retired. She has full medical coverage for life. She bought two houses and lives comfortably. I think it is great. Those chances don't come easy.
8 months ago: So your saying if we cant solve the problem completely for everyone we should take absolutely no steps to fix the situations we can? No use giving vets a chance at competing for work if we cant put EVERYONE to work? No need to help those 200k teachers so they wont join the ranks of unemployed if we can not put everyone back to work?

Do you not believe that by strengthening the education system we can't educate our children to better compete in the future job market? I don't understand your argument.

What do you think the government should do just wave their magic wand and viola? Jobs and homes for everyone? Your arguing against the only plan I have seen so far that doesn't gut the system and put the poor in the street.

sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: No, you said that. First and foremost all people need help when there isn't enough work to go around. There will be a lot of talk and nothing will come of it possibly until election time. They will just appease the people and throw them a bone.
Your talking to the wrong person or not reading correctly. I do so much work for those that need education. I've always been an advocate of education.
Can you tell me what you do for those? You can't trick me because I'm all involved.
You want to argue. No thanks. Keep up the good work.
sunny2
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8 months ago: Slim, you don't really say anything much, but you make accusations. Congratualations you are very skilled at it.
I really want to know what you do for any cause.
You can't be a teacher. Teacher's are more positive and think at a higher level. There is a lot of work .

BY THE WAY THE US EMBASSY HAS BEEN BOMB IN KABUL
8 months ago: I haven't made any accusations. I was looking for you to clarify. I do not want to be a teacher. I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Mc Connels job is to blast anything a democrat puts on the table. I don't see him making it through the next election folks in my area of Kentucky are sick of his obstructionism.
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8 months ago: We are talking and running our mouths about nothing, and they bombed the US Embassy.
We have more things to worry about then just this never ending nonsense.
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8 months ago:
MC Connell just Blast Obama's Plan.
8 months ago: McConnell has found his niche in obstructing any plan put forward by the executive branch in order to make Obama look as though his leadership is weak. He has done very well so far because people do not realize that you can lead a horse to water but can not make him drink if there's a chance he can get elected for another term.

The republicans will spend the next 18 months in much the same way they have the previous 18 months making things worse and pointing fingers at the poor.
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8 months ago: I completely agree with you. I know what the Republicans are trying to accomplish. They want him out of office, and they won't stop. See, I think it is unfair to the voters. He was voted in and doesn't have a chance in the world the way it is going. What he goes through with these punks the American people will feel the brunt of it. I don't like to see a Presidency go so sour because of another Party manipulating. It is unamerican. He has to step up his battle.
He has to focus on the people and do what is good for everyone.
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8 months ago: I wish I could say everything will be okay and Obama will resolve matters.
I don't understand, Slim, because basically we are on the same page.
Simple, everyone should have an opportunity if they want to work to better themselves.
Of course, the teachers have to be helped, as well as the police, the fire fighters, and the middle class, college students, etc. Teachers are going to be facing many challenges. The classrooms will be bigger , less programs (lots of cutbacks). The Country has to become solvent. The way Obama is being knocked down from these punks I don't see anything changing. I hope for all our sakes does well. I still don't think he has done a good job because I don't think he gets it. He had a lot he was up against, but he asked for it when he got elected. That isn't our problem, it is his.
I hope he gets his Plan passed, but I don't think it will be easy.
Americans are very angry. They are not trusting our Government.
anonymouse
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Swaziland
7 months ago: Sunny you write so similar to paper tiger even the same spelling mistakes.
The same person perhaps

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