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Porn: The Putrefaction of America

Posted 33 months ago|326 comments|8,218 views
When? ...a man loves a woman.
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The Pornification of American Culture... "It is easier to get pornography than to avoid it. We have protected the rights of those who wish to live in a pornified culture while altogether ignoring the interests of those who do not." 2005 book, Pornified: How Pornography Is Damaging Our Lives, Our Relationships, and Our Families
by Pamela Paul
http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/201103/2...

What has Porn added to our lives that we couldn't live without? I have done the research, there is no Nobel Peace Prize for pornography! Yet everywhere we can observe the devastation to families and communities, like my own, that experience this putrefaction first-hand. This week I was talking to a friend of mine that won a settlement with our Provincial Government in Supreme Court, over the disgusting infiltration of "nudists" in and around his property by a river. I say "nudists" because these are the new-breed of naked deviants to land on our beaches.

Public fornication in the middle of public access roads; rape and the sodomizing of passers-by; open defecation in rivers used for drinking water; and disposal of feminine hygiene products in the same waters or disposed of openly on access roads... without police intervention or deterrent. Not only can you see the worst kind of filth by internet, we now have those who openly practice this shame in front of anyone who passes by, from children to adults... there seems to be a rush towards total societal defilement.

"...researchers estimate porn is a $100-billion-a-year business worldwide. In the U.S. alone, people will spend $13.6 billion on porn this year. Technology has created a porn revolution. People of all ages have anonymous access to all types of porn, including 24.6 million pornographic websites, 12 percent of the entire Internet total. Around 25 percent of all Internet searches are porn related (68 million each day), and 35 percent of all downloads are pornographic. Each second in the U.S., people spend $3,075 on porn. In that same second, 28,000 Internet viewers are looking at porn."
http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/201103/2...

While media and Hollywood glamorizes porn, those in the industry tell another story of it's disgusting reality. Why are so many people trying to escape the clutches of porn addiction and sexual deviance if it is so fulfilling? Deviance has engulfed all levels of our society, to the point that there seems to be no discerning what is right and what is wrong. This week I read a Headline: Judge tells teacher sex offender: 'I don't criticise you for being attracted to children' ...as a father of five children, I am almost sorry for bringing them into this world; it has become such a violently vomitous mess!

It is not enough to be "positive" about this degradation of society... we first must not contribute to it's decay. Take the sex out of schools, and put it back into marriages; take the Bible out of the waste basket, and put in back into practice; take the romance out of novels, and put it back into relationships; take back your self-respect, and show a little self-control; take lust out of your vocabulary, and replace it with love.

"How to Deal with Your Sexual Addiction
pornography, cybersex, phone sex, masturbation, etc."
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/s...
UPDATE - 33 months ago
"(Reuters) - Authorities said on Wednesday they have dismantled an online bulletin board allegedly used by 600 people around the world to trade graphic images and videos of child sex abuse."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/0...
UPDATE - 33 months ago
"Internet porn 'encourages sex offenders'
Pornography on the internet is normalising extreme fantasies and increasing the risk of sexual offences, psychologists have warned."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scien...
UPDATE - 33 months ago
Pat Trueman says: "...many of the men involved in child porn did not start there. "They start with adult pornography, even soft-core pornography," Trueman explains. "But according to the brain science studies, the longer they're looking at it [and] the more they ingest, the more likely they are to move to harder and more deviant material and many move to child pornography."
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default....
UPDATE - 33 months ago
If you want a better look into the Porn industry and it's stats, the following is a good link...

Internet Pornography Statistics
http://internet-filter-review.toptenrevi...
UPDATE - 33 months ago
"So it is with men who immerse themselves in the me-first/pleasure/orgasm-centered world of Internet pornography. They keep everything for themselves. They even have sex with themselves, filling the role of both man and woman to reach sexual climax. Like the selfish sea, they can become truly dead in their desires and capacities to love, lift and serve those around them."
http://www.netnanny.com/learn_center/art...
UPDATE - 33 months ago
"SLAVE MASTER
How Pornography Drugs & Changes Your Brain
by Donald L. Hilton, Jr.
What does this have to do with pornography? Pornography is a visual pheromone, a powerful, $100 billion per year brain drug that is changing human sexuality by "inhibiting orientation" and "disrupting pre-mating communication between the sexes by permeating the atmosphere," especially through the internet. I believe we are currently struggling in the war against pornography because many continue to believe two key fallacies:

Fallacy No. 1: Pornography is not a drug.

Fallacy No. 2: Pornography is therefore not a real addiction."
http://www.salvomag.com/new/articles/sal...
UPDATE - 33 months ago
Pornography's Relationship to Rape and Sexual Violence
According to one study, early exposure (under fourteen years of age) to pornography is related to greater involvement in deviant sexual practice, particularly rape. Slightly more than one-third of the child molesters and rapists in this study claimed to have at least occasionally been incited to commit an offense by exposure to pornography. Among the child molesters incited, the study reported that 53 percent of them deliberately used the stimuli of pornography as they prepared to offend. i

The habitual consumption of pornography can result in a diminished satisfaction with mild forms of pornography and a correspondingly strong desire for more deviant and violent material.ii

Pornography's Relationship to Child Molestation
In a study of convicted child molesters, 77 percent of those who molested boys and 87 percent of those who molested girls admitted to the habitual use of pornography in the commission of their crimes.iii Besides stimulating the perpetrator, pornography facilitates child molestation in several ways. For example, pedophiles use pornographic photos to demonstrate to their victims what they want them to do. They also use them to arouse a child or to lower a child's inhibitions and communicate to the unsuspecting child that a particular sexual activity is okay: "This person is enjoying it; so will you."
http://www.protectkids.com/effects/harms...#i
UPDATE - 33 months ago
Addressing The Porn Pandemic
http://www.pornharms.com/category/resear...
UPDATE - 32 months ago
This is as ugly as it gets; in Canada last year...

"The RCMP say a 16-year-old British Columbia girl was drugged and "gang raped" at a weekend rave and photos of the assault were posted to Facebook.
Insp. Derren Lench says the attack has police investigating both the assault and charges related to distributing and possessing child pornography."
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/n...
UPDATE - 32 months ago
"PORN AND SEXUAL CRIME...
"In spite of the lack of formal research, though, the FBI's own statistics show that pornography is found at 80 percent of the scenes of violent sex crimes, or in the homes of the perpetrators" (1). Now I think that's kind of tough to ignore."
http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/Science/s...
UPDATE - 32 months ago
The following playlist of Expert Testimony covers the effect of the porn industry on the Medical, Social, Criminal and Educational facets of society.
Porn Harms: Expert Testimony and Presentation by Pornography Harms - Learn more at PornHarms.com
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8...
UPDATE - 30 months ago
"According to Morality in Media (MIM) president Pat Trueman, it is "a major step forward from an influential country that could have worldwide effects," as the idea is to shield children from explicit material. To help accomplish this, parents and guardians will be able to use a site called Parentport that allows them to complain about websites, products, services, or programming that they believe is not appropriate for children.

"I long for the day that our Internet service providers [in the United States] would agree that porn harms and we have an untreated pandemic of harm that must be addressed," he adds."

And Trueman points out that though a number of U.S. laws prohibit the distribution of obscene pornography on the Internet, they are not being enforced by the federal government. So he believes the country needs a president who will actually carry those measures out.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Defaul...
UPDATE - 27 months ago
"Overcoming the Porn Problem
New documentary wisely shines a light on personal stories, rather than just the 'experts' by Mark Moring"
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctente...%29

UPDATE - 27 months ago
"Darkening Our Minds: Porn's Impact...
If a person's eye is perpetually exposed to darkness, there comes an inevitable distortion in that person's thinking. It is in this darkening of the mind that pornography makes its leap from an act that is morally repugnant to one that has frightening consequences."
http://joedallas.com/blog/index.php/2012...
UPDATE - 24 months ago
"Don't Waste Your Life" by John Piper
http://dwynrhh6bluza.cloudfront.net/reso...
UPDATE - 20 months ago
"Many people might be surprised to learn that people who are addicted to porn often have a difficult time with normal sexual performance. Many people who are addicted to porn fail to become sexually aroused by real women, even women that they find themselves sexually attracted to. On the other hand, most people who are believed to suffer from a sex addiction do not typically report having sexual performance problems."
http://pornographyaddiction.com/
UPDATE - 8 months ago
Pulitzer Prize recipient Chris Hedges
Pornography, Chris Hedges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOZLdw6n2...
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Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
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Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: Limiting access to it or the production of it would be a limitation of personal liberty. Why should anyone have the right to tell another person what they can and cannot do or watch (in no way is this condoning the public acts you described) but within their own homes people have the right to do whatever they want.

The religious argument may work fine for you and if you don't take in pornographic content then that is great for you, but what about the rest of the people who believe differently than you? Trying to control other people based on your own personal religious beliefs is bordering on religious oppression.
33 months ago: Perfect,

Would you then agree with the Judge (that) tells teacher sex offender: 'I don't criticise you for being attracted to children'...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/c...
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: Would I agree with what? Pedophilia? No...that is a crime. It is, however, not a crime for an adult to watch an adult movie, much like it is not a crime for adults to star/act/be in them.
33 months ago: Perfect,

You said... "Would I agree with what? Pedophilia? No...that is a crime." ...I actually hear that all the time... what if it wasn't a crime? What a sad defense... how about IT IS WRONG! Many places in the world it is not a crime, or not enforced... that is the degradation of this society... no longer knowing right and wrong.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: I should have been more clear here. It is illegal because it is wrong. Obviously it is wrong. I don't live in the other parts of the world, but I am glad that agencies work hard to stop it all over the world.
33 months ago: Pat Trueman says: "...many of the men involved in child porn did not start there. "They start with adult pornography, even soft-core pornography," Trueman explains. "But according to the brain science studies, the longer they're looking at it [and] the more they ingest, the more likely they are to move to harder and more deviant material and many move to child pornography."
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default....
dave_geek19
dave_geek19
Seattle, WA
27 months ago: It actually wasn't wrong in this country until the 1920's. There's actually a genetic reason for men to like younger women and women to like older men. Up until the 20's when lifespans finally increased greatly, you had 40 year old men marrying 16 year old women all the time. Right and wrong are completely subjective and based on the social contracts we've agreed to in society. Pedophilia IS NOT acceptable in our culture and laws, but once age of consent is reached and given, people can make their own decisions. If you don't like something don't go near it.

If porn is negatively affecting your life, stop watching it. If people are damaging your property, defend it. If gays are ruining your marriage, maybe you shouldn't have gotten married to a woman if you're gay?

It's all perspective.

Protect yourself by all means, but everyone has a right to choose.

"IT IS WRONG!!" is an even sadder defense, by the way. Declaring something to be so does not mean that it is. It's wrong for you maybe, but not everyone.
sunny2
sunny2
27 months ago: Wasn't wrong in this Country? Thank God someone did something about it then. It is no different than all the other garbage we have circling us that is getting to our kids and people fight to protect.
As far as genetic reasons for men and woman to be attracted to each other because of the young old thing isn't plausible. The trend for woman nowadays is to go with men way younger than themselves. Men like woman older because they feel they are more experienced, have more money and exploit them. What happened to love. No mention of that. None of this works without love and respect. Right and wrong is not subjective when the result is harmful to an individual. Pedophilia is never accepted. Once a person reaches that age of consent they have been severly damaged by it if someone got a hold of them. It isn't so easy to say stay away from things if those kind of sickening activities are around an sneek up on innocent people. People are usually unaware of it and feel intimidated and fearful when they are approached, especially children. There are people today kidnapped, murdered, put into slavery. Every day you see it happening. Little innocent children taken from their homes. What is the cause of this in our society? It's a sick society that needs porn and drugs to get through a day that normally would be a gift to them.
27 months ago: dave_geek19,

You said... "It actually wasn't wrong in this country until the 1920's" What?? It is still viewed as "not wrong" ...but doesn't change the fact that it is! NOT because I or anyone else says so, but because the porn requires the raping of children and teens to keep a steady flow of slaves pouring in! Read the testimonies of those who where trapped and still are; read the stories of those abducted or conned into the business; you have a lot to learn... and that's OK, we have nothing but time !:]

"Thanks to our friends in the media industries, and most Americans' inability to practice critical thinking, many bizarre Porn Myths have entered our cultural consciousness and have been swallowed whole by impressionable young people, to whom they are passed down as Truth. o.a.g. sets the record straight..."
http://www.oneangrygirl.net/pornmyths.ht...
Secrios
Secrios
England
19 months ago: Dude; we live in a free country. As long as the porn is done by adults that can mentally wrap their minds around what they are doing, it is perfectly fine. You have no right to ban porn, it is some people's past times and it helps them stay happy in a world ruined by the GOP.
Secrios
Secrios
England
19 months ago: I'm sorry but the other guys excuse is valid. Right and wrong is so easy to understand; do on to other that be done on to you.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: Scerios
Do you consider an 18 year old girl an adult? Do you really think she has the life experience to make good decisions, especially in today's society where porn is the norm?
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: I believe you are right in one sense.
On the other hand, there are people who don't care about raising their kids properly and expose them to unthinkable things. Kids have to be protected from this. Not everyone has a chance but laws can help prevent certain aspects of this deluge of exposure to these things that influence bad behavior. Sometimes a so called home, can be a living hell for a kid. A nightmare that they can't escape.
Abusive parents for one, who deliberately expose their kids to the dark side of life because of their own lives. I would think that some control is better than none. We didn't do so badly before when America was innocent. You were exposed to more quality of life and this set an example. If we don't have any kind of laws that but a stop on this junk going too far, we will lose our footing for the future. This has nothing to do with religious beliefs. You see from going through life who survives and does well and who doesn't. The ones that were given a chance without being affected from societies pitching of this stuff, become more solid citizens. Maybe the rest are sitting in Government seats in DC.
Children won't know anything else if they don't have a chance.
Huey Newton
Huey Newton
 Administrator
33 months ago: Wow. I'm not even sure where to start.

Our culture has definitely taken a turn for the worse where sexuality is concerned. There was a time when things were kept under wraps and not discussed, and that was not good. The pendulum now however has taken a big swing in the opposite direction.

Sex is good, but what has happened is that it has been twisted and exploited. The things just a short time ago which were pretty much agreed upon to be perverted are now paraded as some type of liberation.

The adults should know better. What really concerns me is the kids.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Why-Sex-Edu...

The young folks are being literally bombarded with stuff that can make them into sexual screw ups for the rest of their lives. All types of deviant sexual behaviors are being communicated in music, the media, movies, television, billboards, and the mall, everywhere.

It's no wonder we have kids having sex at earlier and earlier ages. It's no wonder we have such skyrocketing abortion statistics. It's no wonder we have so many children born into single parent families and broken homes. Humanity is dysfunctioning and there are even some wackos out there that believe the problem is the nuclear family. To that I say - GET BENT.

Young people today are being taught that sex is a toy. They are being taught that there is absolutely nothing special or sacred about it. They are being taught that they cannot control themselves, nor should they try and that virginity is for losers.

I bet most parents don't even know what goes on with kids even as early as elementary or junior high.

Wake up people.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: While I agree that children are being bombarded daily with this information I think I have to say: Where are the parents? Stop using the TV as a babysitter. Start paying attention to the music your kids listen to. Talk to your kids. Discipline your kids. Be a parent...I realize that you cannot be with the kids 24/7. However you can be in their minds all the time. My parents constantly monitored what I watched and listened to and talked to me about wrong and right and punished me for doing bad stuff.
Huey Newton
Huey Newton
 Administrator
33 months ago: With you 100% on that one.
Huey Newton
Huey Newton
 Administrator
33 months ago: Also, the job of parenting would be a lot easier if we did not have to always be concerned about the perverts pushing their perversion in the direction of our children through every available medium.

If someone want to "grease Weezer" in their bedroom, that's their issue. But when folks specifically and intentionally TARGET the kids, shut 'em down.

I'm all for liberty. But when that liberty is abused a line has to be drawn.

As adults, folks should realize the importance of our influence on the next generation. If our liberty is screwing that up that generation then maybe we need to sacrifice that liberty in lieu of the bigger picture. Right?

That makes sense, doesn't it?

But you know what? Some folks are too entrenched in their sin to care about the impact on others. They don't care and that really sucks.

Money talks and hedonism is king of this sin sick world.

That's the bottom line.
33 months ago: PH,

I also agree... "Stop using the TV as a babysitter" ...yet if the parents are using their liberties to access porn... what do you think the kids are going to do. There is a saying...

"What the parents have allowed in moderation...
the children have taken to excess!"
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: You had good parents PH. You were one of the lucky ones that got you through. Like I said not all parents are like that. I've seen parents totally not care for their children and leave them eating out of the garbage and wandering the streets with barely any shoes. God I don't know why I have seen these things. I hate when anyone hurts a kid. The only thing I can say is some of them are protected by God and get through in spite of being neglected. Very few.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: What kind of parent watches porn in front of their child? Is it the people that make and act in the adult films fault that people are bad parents?
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: You were fortunate because your parents administered with love and affection.
Some kids would rebel against anything and everything, especially if the parents dictated corporal type punishment. Which many believe in.
It has to do with the individual. Then their are kids that are so influenced by their peers, they don't care what their parents disallow them to do.
Now a days you really have to be able to get around these kids that have been introduced to this kind of a society.
32 months ago: The job of parenting was never supposed to be easy. Don't assign blame to outside influences that are a direct result of failed parenting that allowed those influences to take precedence.

Sin is relative to what "you" think is sin. What another person thinks is sin might be something else entirely. I consider it a sin to not have sex except for pro-creation, such an abuse of the body to not use it's abilities to give and receive pleasure. Then again, I don't believe in sin..... in the "religious" sense that is.
dave_geek19
dave_geek19
Seattle, WA
27 months ago: Liberty implies people take responsibility for themselves and their family. Even thinking about limiting liberty is treasonous. Yes being a parent's hard, but if you wanted the kids then you have to deal with it. Being willing to sacrifice ANY measure of liberty for ANY measure of safety means you deserve NEITHER and is extremely insulting to all veterans, me included.

Kids should be in kid places and have kid things, if you bring a kid into an adult place that's your fault for whatever they're exposed to. Kids only have what the parent gives them or allows. Bad things happen in the adult world. Getting in their business is YOUR JOB, making sure they don't do stupid things is YOUR JOB, making sure they don't have something you don't approve of is YOUR JOB.
Secrios
Secrios
England
19 months ago: Sex is allowed to be a past time and it was a nuclear family that ruin my relation ship with my girlfriend.
33 months ago: "Porn Use and Sex Crimes...
As part of my experience working with incarcerated sex offenders, I listened to countless disclosures of inmates describing their heinous sexual assaults on victims. During these therapy sessions, it is not uncommon to hear an inmate indicate that part of the reason for their sexual deviance was due to consumption of pornography which influenced the way they behaved." by Rory Reid
http://www.contentwatch.com/learn_center...
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: Those people in prison have character traits that are bad to begin with.
That starts at an early age.
If they had a conscience, they would practice self-control.
You see people on the street that look innocent enough, but the ones that are seemingly upstanding people hide what they really are. They should be put away.
How many secretly hurt kids. Priest have been caught up in this. What's there excuse. There is always an excuse.
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: I don't believe many people get the impact of those that have been incarcerated for this type of crime. Some of them are incorrigibles. Once released, they go out and do it again.
Secrios
Secrios
England
19 months ago: SOs are a small price to pay for such an important part of life. Same how an obesity epidemic is a small price to pay for cheap food and curvy women ;)
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: Children deserve a time of innocence. They need the time to have fun and grow. They don't have to know so much so quickly.
That is how it use to be. In these times, what they don't know will hurt them.
We don't need the flooding of pornography and television to influence the kids. What they don't learn from those entities, they learn in school.
We need to get back to family style living with stiff controls placed on outside influences to give families a chance. Again it is all big money that determines our life style. People have become secondary because they accept this.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: I agree 100%. BUT, to me that is the parents responsibility to make it clear what is wrong and right.
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: PH Absolutely you are right.
On the other side of this, how many parents are too busy for their kids to care.
Look at Columbine, Colorado the massacre with the kid killing students.
A lot of them think their kids will live and learn through experience, not thinking that those experiences can destroy for a life time. One word can influence a child to be wrecked for life. Much of the responsibility is to protect until they have a chance to think things out for themselves. They don't know any better.
How many good parents are out there? I think you are lucky if you do have one or both. I was very fortunate with my child. In order to be that way I was a continually, watchful parent. I believe in education and as much as possible. This little child in NY who was just murdered. He asked directions, and it was his first time walking home alone. Looked what happened to him. I am sure the parents were loving people and protective of their child. It is the predator that is out there that children are exposed to. No matter what a parent does, you still have those animals out there looking to prey on innocent children. I think that there is only so much a parent can do that is why we are always worried and concerned about our kids. When they are that young, one mistake can be tragic.
That guy who killed him was a complete sicko. There is a lot of insanity around and free access to drugs that enhance this. I just don't believe that sexualizing children from television shows is good for anyone, plus the constant degrading violence. Believe me, there are people that will sit with their children and watch smut and give them alcohol.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: I understand that parenting is hard work. I am not saying it is easy. However, if a person chooses to have a child then that it is that person's responsibility to raise that child. I think a lot of the "bad" parents you see today is a result of younger people having kids, which shows that there is a need for better education from both parents and schools about sexual health and safety. But again, I really don't think that it is the fault of adult film actors/director/producers that people chose to not raise their children "correctly".
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: Perfect remember when you were in Health Class in HS and were being educated about the birds and the bees. Kids are so far beyond that.
Did you learn anything? I know my class didn't. It was a big joke to them.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: Please note that I said "Better Education"
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: Not for anything, but the school I was in was suppose to be that way.
Highly rated. Didn't matter. Again you were fortunate to side step some of these pot holes.
sunny2
sunny2
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sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: PH .....I have to ask are you speaking of a Master's Degree or a Ph.D or a medical doctor or College Professor?
That usually is what is associated with better education in the Health Industry.
I was only speaking of High School which all kids have to take part in.
It has to have standards set by the State. How good can that be? Not very.

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: I'm not sure what you are trying to get at.

Sex education in public schools needs to be better than it is. I went to a pretty good public high school. Our sex ed class was not great, not as bad as I have heard about, but not great by any means.

Education needs to be realistic and actually educational. The state standards need to be raised (or control given over to the districts)
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: Of course, but how many are good parents, especially, if they weren't good kids. How many parents abandon their families leaving one person to raise children. Look at the statistics out there. The divorce rate. The jails are full with young people. The streets are full with the sale of drugs and users. This is happening in the schools. Why? What is causing it?
My feelings about porn stars and adult film makers it is their right under the law to have that freedom of expression. I don't like it personally because I know how many watch it during work hours, pass it around to others on the job. We are talking about people with kids. If children get their hands on it, that's wrong. They copy the parent's actions. They set the example and children do become sexualized. Sometimes no matter what a parent does to raise their child properly, it is out of their hands. (We are speaking of the responsible parents.) It is just like anything else, if it is not good for you, you have to abstain from it. We can only do our best. Once you're a parent you take that responsibility on for the rest of your life.
Then you have the child slave markets out there run by people who are low lifes. You have to be afraid your child will be kidnapped. It is these people that cause crimes to happen, that had an early start in life at being influenced by the wrong things. Too much to deal with. How does anyone come out alive.
Huey Newton
Huey Newton
 Administrator
33 months ago: What's happened is many parents have been desensitized to perverse things. If not hard-core there is plenty of stuff that comes on prime-time TV that is very borderline. There's plenty of rape, fornication, often coupled with violence and murder right on the TV.

Just flipping the channels you can get an eyeful and education about things that are not supposed to happen or definitely not to be viewed by young children as entertainment.

A little MTV or BET these days can easily lead to addiction to pornography.

The other problem is the so-called adults that run these industries. They don't care. And because they don't care they can do things, sell things and markets things that are unconscionable. Not only that, they do it while laughing all the way to the bank.

Parenting is not for wimps. It takes a black-belt in it just to make it through the day many times. There is a deluge of negative and disgusting stuff out there and we must contend with. I guess that goes along with living in a "free" society. However, that same freedom can end in ruination of the lives of not just the perps but others as well.

I wish folks would see that it's not worth it, but then again one can only expect so much knowing the fallen condition this world is in.

If folks were responsible and balanced, what is intended for "adults" would not be actively marketed to children or even placed within their reach.

Even beyond children, this "entertainment" can be directly linked to all kinds of deviant behavior. Gropers, rapists, stalkers, voyeurs, and violent sex offenders, all feed on this stuff. Again, I'm all for liberty but liberty to do what?

Dollars to donuts if the porn industry were to die out of this country tomorrow, in just a few short years we'd see the the beginnings of a better society with better male and female relationships. I'm not naive enough to think that's going to happen in this phase of things, but I look forward to the day.

sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: Well said, Huey.
For those parents that miss the boat and don't care, they lost out in pure joy. We only have one life, and it is a shame that it is abused by those who don't care.
I turn the tube on because I get bored sometimes.
CSI for one actually desecrates the human body. They disrespect it in every way and every form forgetting about the person. It puts ideas and thoughts into the heads of maniacs. They are pushing the envelope too far. There are so many copy cats out there that will emulate these atrocities shown on tv.
I had HBO one time and turned it on and got shocked by what I saw. I never saw anything like it, and they were using porn stars. Ignorant woman and men were presenting this pornographic video that was sold as a product. I got rid of it instantly. If a young person is seeing this sort of thing, what kind of affect would it have on them? It is going to make them half crazy. These are the sort of things I'm trying to explain. Even though Porn may be freedom of expression, it also is twisted by other means to reach out to those that are niave.
Secrios
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England
19 months ago: Wouldn't that lead to a generation of sad virgins because all the women will be loyal to one man and the runners up in attractiveness will get none?
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33 months ago: Aside from the obvious, I couldn't help but wonder at the judge's motive and/or sanity in her ruling in your article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/c...

She lets the guy walk free knowing he not only had 4500 kiddie porn pictures on his computer, but he had also admitted to making some of the photographs himself. Then the judge bans this guy from owning a computer or having access to the internet.

Wouldn't that be somewhat like telling a vampire that has slaked his thirst for blood by slaughtering sheep that he can't drink sheep's blood anymore? That he should go to blood addiction therapy instead?

sunny2
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33 months ago: Time that judge retired. She doesn't have all her faculties.
A person who is attracted to children shouldn't be around them. That's why sex offenders are listed. He'll never get a job with kids again. Hopefully.
32 months ago: Listing sex offenders does nothing but draw attention to them so that the general public can harass them, it can not prevent them from getting near kids as it is just a list.

Many on that list are not actual pedofiles or even truly deviants or even dangerous, they are on the list because the nature of their crime, at whatever age it occured, requires them to be listed. That was the biggest reason I told my sons to date older girls, 18 and older that is, anything younger was just taking a big chance of ending up on the list for something as simple as a "heavy petting" session. Penetration, however slight....... Too bad girls don't get the same treatment as boys. Temptation/teasing however intended....
32 months ago: Six,

The guys in our area that are sex-offenders are dangerous, and I am aware of their extensive records... it is good to know who is "next door" or in your neighborhood when it comes to your child's safety... or anyone else's child's safety.
Secrios
Secrios
England
19 months ago: Isn't using the term SO a way of removing second chances?
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19 months ago: Nah, sex offenders repeat their crimes all the time.
Secrios
Secrios
England
19 months ago: Should the majority of re-offenders; ruin it for people who won't?
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: How about this one: What's this guys problem?
AOLNews.com
A Texas jury convicts the polygamist church leader of sexually assaulting two girls he had taken as 'spiritual wives.'

sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: I cannot be honest and condone any smut of any sort.
Smut is smut. No two ways of looking at it.
I wouldn't want it around me or be associated with anyone in that industry.
They can call it what they want as an excuse for their weaknesses and making a lot of money at it. How can you get mad at that rapper we were talking about for buying an airplane? If stupid people buy his stuff, that's why he is rich. It is his money.
What about an airplane bought from the revenue brought in by the Porno Industry. And by the way I wouldn't say that rapper has rhythm such as Michael Jackson and James Brown. He will never be great like those people. He is having his 15 minutes of fame.
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: Huey I went to NYC to see the tree at Rockefeller Center on the Holidays.
I was happy with my family and wouldn't you know it some pervert comes up and starts leaning on us. He looked sane at first but went after one of the kids. The Streets are full of these sickos. You can tell right away what they are into to make them go out into the Streets with this kind of behavior. It is quite obvious that porn influences them. Anyone who doesn't recognize this as a problem is living in a bubble.
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33 months ago: That's one of the reasons I'm a martial artist. Don't start none, won't be none.

Some guys have no respect for women and or families.

How is it acceptable and folks look the other way when guys walk around with their drawers hanging out, while grabbin' their crotch? That's freedom? That's liberation? That's acceptable behavior? I think not.

The problem is that there are not enough real men around that will openly confront this stuff. The evidence is even in the amount of guys that have even addressed TB's Rant/Rave.

Why are there not more comments from more folks? It's been Rant of the day (and deservedly so) for for long enough. Two hundred views. Where are the troops?

When it happens around me, I'll go for it. But at the same time I size up who is around me in order to figure out if I am on my own, of if some real dudes have my back. I would do it more often if I thought it would make a real difference or it would at least be appreciated by those around me other than my close friends or my family. But at the same time, don't push me.
33 months ago: Huey,

The fact is most guys are effected by pornography... it is everywhere! It is harder to build relationships that can meet mutual needs... than it is to gratify one's self, however it is really the opposite that happens. Guilt and failure plague those who partake of this forbidden fruit... and it ruins one for the real thing. I thank God that He is forgiving and is stronger than any mess we can get into.

One of the strongest realizations in my mind that help me to fight this culture, is understanding that someone's child was molested and raped, in order to have them become today's porn "star" ...like Shelley Lubben, her devastation, betrayal and pain... made it possible for people to gratify their sinful desires. These are someone's children, sisters and brothers that are being assaulted...
sunny2
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33 months ago: Huey...I went to a Balloon Fair with my family.
There was a girl behind me that started abusining her Mom. The Mother was in her late 50s and the daughter was in her 30s somewhere. She was screaming at her in public. There were all people around us trying to enjoy the afternoon. She started being threatening to her Mom. No one said a word. The Mother closed her eyes and took it from her.
Little me can't keep her mouth shut when I see this. So, I said "leave her alone" and that she was spoiling other people's day because they came here for enjoyment. She walked away and came back and stood in front of me challenging me to provoke her. Not one person would support me. Luckily she walked away and apologized to her Mom. Her Mother thanked me. I found out later that in this huge place with thousands of people that there was no security whatsoever. I was on my own. It is the same with these dirty old men. They know they can get away with bad behavior. Who knows if they carry weapons in a crowd and are just looking for a victim. All you can do is ignor it and move hoping they don't follow you.
Martial arts would have been fine in this situation.
32 months ago: Sorry, I'm still offline most of the time, I'll try to put my two cents in when I can.
32 months ago: Not saying you are wrong, but how is it "quite obivious" porn influences this type of behavior? Are they carrying a stack of porn books? Do they state that they were reading this porn book and it encouraged them to go out in public and act like a jerk?

Looking for something that someone told you was a cause just might influence you to see that very same cause, rather than the actual cause which MIGHT be that this person is/was messed up in the head.
33 months ago: I posted in a rant some time back, about a couple that came walking up buck-naked to a diving rock, where I was standing. I just looked at the guy and asked if he was proud of himself... seriously he and she were not impressive... animals to say the least... not a bit of self-respect! I even said to them that we would leave if they wanted the beach... stoned as tree, they just wandered by... swam a bit and left.

People have had their consciences seared to the point... they really are evolving... into PIGS! I have tried to understand how people can get so degraded, no shame... but the obvious drug saturation, and eastern mysticism and Yoga renders a person fit for nothing... but to live like an animal.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Shambhala-M...
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Weapons-Of-...
sunny2
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33 months ago: America's standards have become demoralized. I don't know if people don't know any better, or what. If you say anything to oppose them, they are cold and have no conscience as you say. Possibly they can't wear a bathing suit because they wouldn't look good in it, and their celllulite would show. Now that would be schocking. Then it would make front page news. Who cares about a two ugly ducklings in the raw, They're laughable. LOL
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33 months ago: There is no benefit to having a pornographic society. I don't care what they say. I know those folks that participate in the lifestyle are not happy or satisfied. How can they be? They are abusing one of the greatest gifts given to humanity.

When what was given to us as s glorious expression of love, when what was given to us to provide the most intimate physical connection between man and woman is put into the gutter, stomped on, cheapened and exploited, it's only natural to have the fallout that we have.

Lots of those folks end up dead, diseased, drug addicted and everything else simply because what they are doing is wrong. There is no long term benefit there whatsoever.

Everyone reaps what they sow.

I wrote this to a supposed 16 year old in a post a little over a year ago speaking on the subject of intimacy and abortion.

"The so-called adults in this society and those who control the air, radio waves, Internet and all the various media in this society have cheapened women, cheapened sex and are destroying the family. They are literally selling us lies. And we are paying for it on many different levels."

This was her response. Remember 16 years old...

"Or maybe they are exposing sex for what it really is: a natural and instinctive occurrence. There is nothing "sacred" about it. Religion has totally ignored the raw simplicity of sex and made it out to be this huge ordeal.

In any case, no matter what your views on family and sex are, anyone must see the cruelty of forcing a woman to allow a parasitic being to feed off her body for 9 months. "

That is just pretty damn sad. My, how we have fallen.
Perfect Horizon
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33 months ago: The only thing I can say is that you have a perspective from a religious standpoint. If a person does not have that same religion or are not religious then it is totally different. I am not asking you to change, but just be aware of the fact that because of what you believe it is impossible for you to see (and accept) the other perspectives on the topic.
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33 months ago: Yeah. I can appreciate where you are coming from and you got that right.

It is impossible for me to see a pregnant woman as being the carrier of a parasite or to not see that sexual relations between a man and a woman as something special and meaningful.

BTW- those were my feelings even before I gave my life to Christ.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: I'm only going to address second part of the comment as I want to avoid a long debate about abortion when this topic isn't about that.

For some people sex is meaningful and special (you and other like minded Christians) for other people it is just sex (some other religions, and those who are not religious). I am in no way saying you are wrong to believe what you do as that is your right; BUT I also think that it is other people's right to think differently.
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33 months ago: Many people outside of Christianity feel that sex has special value. As a matter of fact, it is a recent phenomenon where sexuality has been degraded and devalued. It ultimately has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with human value.

It's no wonder that we have the relational problems that we have today. What at one time was almost universally among considered among rational humans to be a special relationship, has been relegated to the toilet.

You are right, people are free to think what they want but there is such a thing as evil.
Perfect Horizon
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33 months ago: Well, if we want to look at sex in terms of the raw act historically it is actually utilitarian (producing offspring). Look at animals, its not some big "to-do" with them. Its for a purpose. Look back to ancient Rome, it wasn't a big special event then. Nor in Ancient Greece. It wasn't until the invention of the Roman Catholic Church and the use of "sin" as a control mechanism for the populous that it became a special reserved for marriage activity. Since then there have always been groups where it means "something more", groups where it is just what it is and I'm sure there are groups where it is more utilitarian.

Of course evil exists in the world, I'm just not sure that it can be found in sex or porn....
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33 months ago: Greece and Rome were two nasty civilizations and marriage was around long before the Catholic Church.

"Of course evil exists in the world, I'm just not sure that it can be found in sex or porn.... "

You know better than that. Rape and incest are just two examples of sex gone wrong. Also there is a major criminal element behind the porn industry that nurtures the misuse, abuse and exploitation of runaways, young girls and women in general.

I telling you the world would be better place without it.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
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33 months ago: I suppose I am guilty of not being clear enough here. I was referring to the act of sex between two consenting adults.

There is a major criminal element behind a lot of things, so I'm not sure that this is a strong enough reason to condemn the porn industry (there are lots of good reasons, just not sure how good this one is).

Yes, marriage did exist long before (at least "marriage practices") however it wasn't until the Roman Catholic church that sex became a tool for control. The Catholic Church is always looking for something to use as an element of control, whether it be "you're all sinner, but pay your taxes to the king and you will be forgiven" or "sex is a sin unless your married so do what we say"...Now this is just an address to the Catholic church, other Christian faiths are far less...oppressive and far more realistic. The point being that the determined preaching of a select few control the minds of so many and that is dangerous and also limiting to liberty and free thought (perhaps this is why I am not a fan of organized religion in any sense, but this is a different topic)
32 months ago: Which part is sad? The truth about religion and sex or the parasitic being comment?

The first part is very true the second part is a bit to much of a simplistic view of pregnancy for me.
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33 months ago: PH - I think that it is great that you responded to this Rant. I think a lot of the fellas are afraid to jump into this one.
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33 months ago: PH Everyone can do what they want, but there are consequences to choices that are made. It is the difference between having a good life style or not.
I can speak for myself that my values, although I am religious, come from a point of view that has been proven over many times to be destructive to those that indulge. Porn is unhealthy to an individual, misleading, misguiding, and eventually all consuming. The outlook on life is altered to a dismal reflection of ones self. I would never judge you in your beliefs, but you do sound to be very young. Most young people may think porn is cool right now, but in the long run throughout life, it is something that will present itself as a dismal dark side of life. I wouldn't want anyone to be around my kids with that lifestyle.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: I'm not sure what you define as "very young" or how that is relevant anyways.

I think that people who don't like something tend to be the most vocal about it. Read the reviews of a product online. Most of the time the only people who speak up are the ones who don't like it, that doesn't mean its a bad product.

Addiction is unhealthy. The videos/movies themselves are not unhealthy (for the viewer, the actors are likely to be unhealthy). I don't think porn is cool, and I don't watch it. I however would never attempt to stop an adult from being in it or watching it. That is their own right to do what they want with their body. As for children, I will once again point the finger at the parents. If parents let their kids watch HBO then that is their own fault. Parents, like most people, want to blame other people for their problems rather than accept the fact that they are not doing a good job as a parent.

As ridiculous as this may be I am going to quote Eminem, as it can be applied to this subject and many others like it:

"don't blame me when lil' Eric jumps off of the terrace
You shoulda been watchin him - apparently you ain't parents"
Huey Newton
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33 months ago: "Parents, like most people, want to blame other people for their problems rather than accept the fact that they are not doing a good job as a parent. "

You make a good point, but it's sweeping.

Not all parent are like that. I, for instance, along with my wife take full responsibility to the training and teaching of our children. If they were to go wayward I don't believe it would be any one's fault other than our own.

We've taught them to value themselves and other people. To give honor and respect where it is due. To work hard not to see themselves as the center of the universe.

That being said, the job becomes immeasurably more difficult when irresponsible people allow their mess to leak out and contaminate what would otherwise be a great environment.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: I didn't mean any one person in particular. As I said earlier:

"A person can be smart, people are dumb"

If more people would spend time parenting the way you describe here then wouldn't the adult film industry be less of an issue? Either they would be out of business or their product would be only viewed by its intended audience (adults)?
markbyrn
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33 months ago: Did you notice though that Truthbarry employs the Glenn Beck buffoonery of connecting the dots without any evidence. He moves from getting in a lather about seeing nudists at the river (deviants in his religious induced fog) and that leads to a twisted path of child porn and pedophilia. Thank you Mr Truthbeck.

Not surprisingly Truthbarry and fundamentalist religious ilk are typically the same people that go into a hypocritical rage when it's the suggested that the government needs to prohibit physical assault of children, aka corporal punishment. If you're going to employ the phrase 'violently vomitous mess' that is where I would point the finger. If you want be consistent, I believe parents should not only be adjured not to physically assault their children but they certainly disallow their children to have ready access to erotica sexual material and activities. In addition to the component of criminal exploitation of children (sexual, labor), there's an economic component of children having sex and reproducing at an age when they are unable to economically sustain their offspring and are certainly not mature enough to raise children.

On a side note, has it occurred to you that the two ideological groups obsessed with fighting the 'crime' of pornography are religious fundamentalists and Marxist feminists. Of course the two groups are diametrically opposed to each other but they have a common nexus in desiring the state to impose their irrational ideologies.
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33 months ago: All due respect, but you are full of crap on this one.

A smack on the tush is not a physical assault. Get real. Next you'll be comparing the damaging effects of kiddie porn to prayer in schools.

Also most porn is not criminal, it's legal. You know that. However it's tasteless and useless. My opinion. If someone else wants to play in filth, fine. Just don't get any one me and mine.

Again, go ahead and "grease Weezer" just keep it in the bedroom okay?

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
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33 months ago: While I agree that spanking is not "abuse" the larger point Mark is making is valid. A lot of people are inconsistent/hypocritical (another example is people that are both Pro-Life & Pro-Death Penalty).

Prayer in which school? Wouldn't that basically be the same as keeping the "greased weezer" in the bedroom? There are a lot of things that people should keep to themselves.
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33 months ago: If Truthbarry is comparing nudists on the beach to pedophiles, than I'm comparing a 'smack on the tush' to children getting beaten with rods - isn't that from your Bible - spare not the rod? And kiddie porn to prayer in school? I'll tell you what - that trojan horse of prayer in school AKA lets proselytize for fundamentalist religions in public school is not much better if those proselytized children become adults who are intolerant of other religions and they end up going on violent crusades in the name of their imaginary god.

Also, it seems to me that religious fundamentalists have an obsession about prohibiting the display of sexuality in the public sphere (in the name of protecting children) while simultaneous winking at activities such as children playing violent video games.
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33 months ago: I was just making a contrast to the absurd.

Actually students and faculty are allowed to pray in public school under specific circumstances. Unfortunately a lot of folks don't know that. They have been scared into submission and bullied by a law that does not even exist.
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33 months ago: Many people are stuck up. This is true. Sexuality is fine. Obscenity is not. Just have to be smart enough to know the difference.

Also, we steer clear of Rated "M" games in the household. Many of those games can be worse than porn.

Perfect Horizon
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33 months ago: Individually, yes of course. I was commenting on school sanctioned prayer (in public schools).
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33 months ago: ...They have been scared into submission and bullied by a law that does not even exist...

Please Huey, you and your children can pray in school or anywhere else at any time. Were talking about "public prayer" where the school or teacher adjures the students to pray and use it as trojan horse to proselytize for the dominant religion of that particular locale. You can tell your children to pray 10 times a day to whatever Spaghetti Monster you believe in but you will not tell my children via the public school to do likewise.
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33 months ago: "you will not tell my children via the public school to do likewise. "

The thought never entered my mind. You can be prayerless. That's your prerogative.

Also lots of folks are under the exact impression that I mentioned due to being either ignorant or bullied by the bureaucracy and administrators of the system.


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33 months ago: ...Sexuality is fine. Obscenity is not...

Huey, please - I didn't just fall off the religious turnip truck. Depending on one's religious proclivities, the definition of obscenity could be a woman not wearing a dress or a woman wearing pants. For example, this fundamentalist Christian website has an article titled, "Why Women Shouldn't Wear Pants"

http://tinyurl.com/cav8mr

...Also, we steer clear of Rated "M" games in the household. Many of those games can be worse than porn...

That's consistent but I do know that Truthbarry is a fan of MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) fighting where two men often violently pummel each other senseless and it's for real. It's not a video game and it's fake pro wrestling. BTW, I'm a fan myself but I don't hypocritically go on holy crusades against porn while enjoying my bloodsports. In fact, sex and violence are like a match set O.O

So Truthbarry, would you let your children watch MMA?
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33 months ago: ...The thought never entered my mind. You can be prayerless. That's your prerogative...

Ah, the religious pejorative knee jerk reaction against rationalism and agnosticism but I wasn't just referring to being "prayerless" - it's the content of the prayer that suggests adherence to a particular god (e.g. the god of Christianitiy, the god of Judaism, the God of Islam, the Gods of Wicca, etc.). As I said, "the dominant religion of that locale" In fact, even with the same religion, there are those who believe it's wrong to pray in public.

For example, from the Christian Bible and the words of Jesus, "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

Of course the religious right isn't interested in that version of Jesus (just as they aren't interested when it comes to matter of war) but some Christians do follow that particular injunction and would be offended for you to tell their children to pray at public school and violate their religious beliefs.
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33 months ago: You lost me on that one.

All I meant is that if someone does not want to pray, they have no obligation to. That's not a knee jerk reaction. That's a fact.

Also, there is a time and a place for private prayer AND for public prayer. Jesus was speaking specifically to heart condition and motivation in that passage, not just specific venue. I could go on about that but we are already off subject.

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33 months ago: "I didn't just fall off the religious turnip truck."

That's a keeper.
markbyrn
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33 months ago: So you contradict the words of Jesus by claiming he didn't really mean to say you should pray in private. This is the same kind of stuff where fundamentalists invent a version of Jesus that supports nuclear weapons and so called "Christian Just War Theory" In fact, Jesus followed his own direction and prayed alone - it's recorded numerous times but it doesn't suit the political fundamentalist need to demo their religion in public. See: www.religioustolerance.org/prayer.htm

Similarly, fundamentalists tend to be obsessive about 'sexual' sins while winking at other biblical sins such as gluttony. When I see an obese minister railing against porn or whatever sin that's got his 5XL underwear in a bunch , I want to vomit. Why don't these hypocritical gluttonous lard **** follow their Bible - "Put a knife to your throat if are given to gluttony..Proverbs 23:2"

In fact, if you look at who Jesus railed against the most, it wasn't porn addicts - it was the religious hypocrites.
Huey Newton
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33 months ago: Geez. You have issues.

33 months ago: Markbyrn,

I leave you guys alone for a day and BAM! I guess Huey's challenge didn't go unnoticed... but Mack, usually you try and back up your point of view with something... anything... you are making it way too easy for me...

1) I am not just linking pedophilia to public nudity... now I am outright saying it! Nudists care nothing for anyone else but themselves... selfish perverts that can never get satisfied.... caring little if children are in view... they expose themselves to, and that is illegal, and wrong... (I have a few friends that were raised in nudist colonies and attend frequently) ...they are messed up, and would have their kids the same way. Just to be right, and impose their nudity on others, it is practically a religion... "because they were born that way".

Exposing Nudism & Naturism's Dirty Little Secrets:
Pedophilia, Swinging, Pornography and Sexual Exploitation...
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHa...

2) Pornography is damaging not only to the minds of those who saturate with it, but physically to those who want "normal" sexual relations with their mates.

"Desperate young men from various cultures, with different levels of education, religiosity, attitudes, values, diets, marijuana use and personalities are seeking help. They have only two things in common: heavy use of today's Internet porn and increasing need for more extreme material."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupi...


33 months ago: 3) Porn industry is destroying lives both on and off the movie set... this is the reports from those within the industry. Why do so many porn actors kill themselves? Then wonder why teens trying this practice do the same...

"For 15 years, kids have been spoon-fed easy access to Internet pornography; right in the privacy of their own homes or through any electronic device," Hughes said. "Because obscenity laws have not been enforced, illegal adult pornography has flooded and polluted the Internet."
http://www.cnsnews.com/node/67926

Ex porn star Shelley Lubben and Jan Meza at Adult Entertainment Expo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqxyXnlom...

Dead Porn Stars Memorial - Watch ex porn stars at www.thepinkcross.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0q_VGacf...

4) The porn industry targets children...

"Children Internet Pornography Statistics
Access to pornography is available from early on. The average age of a child's first exposure to pornography is 11. A total of 90 percent of children ages 8-16 have viewed pornography online. Pornographers use many character names that appeal to children such as "Pokemon."
http://internet-filter-review.toptenrevi...

5) Mark, making this all a "religious" thing, and not seeing the advances of human recovery modeled and provided by those of faith... is to say the least... blind. There are those like myself that have experienced the damages of porn, and how early I was when I was introduce to it. I have nothing but respect for people that come out of such a damaging industry, and expose their dirty little secrets. The following is a video covering some of the recruitment practices of the porn industry...

Part 1 - Monica @ Home: misjudging Shelley Lubben, Pornwikileaks & Recruitment tactics Porn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpey8gOvo...
Part 2 - Monica @ Home: misjudging Shelley Lubben, Pornwikileaks & Recruitment tactics Porn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqS8d1vnE...
markbyrn
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33 months ago: ....Geez. You have issues...

So Truthbarry starts this topic and issues a broad brush slander that nudists are sodomizing passers-by and I got issues? I can do the same. Anders Behring Breivik is a right-wing Christian who slaughtered children and blew up buildings in Norway. Therefore, right-wing Christians are terrorists. Right? Wrong of course and similarly nudists aren't generally prone to running around and raping people that pass by them. It's nothing but religious inspired lies & slander. If you can't tell the difference between somebody who enjoys looking at Playboy or going to Hooters and somebody who rapes children, you're the ones with issues.
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33 months ago: So you're citing Brent Bozell's right wing Christian apologist 'news' website. Can you quote Pat Robertson's CBN too? Better yet, quote me some sources that don't have a religious axe to grind. Of course this is a religious issue and you're one of the most prolific religious writers on this forum. That's not a bad thing BTW but I don't want to hear that it's not about religion.

...There are those like myself that have experienced the damages of porn...

And lots of people can't control their food intake either - should we make a law to prevent that? Some people can't control their alcohol intake - should we ban it and have another war on alcohol like we're having on drugs and losing?

Most people aren't 'damaged' from looking at a skin rag. If you are 'damaged' and become obsessed with it to the detriment of your life, that's your problem. But don't project your personal problem on to everybody else or magnify the "evil" of "sexual sin" as religious fundamentalists seem prone to do.
Huey Newton
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33 months ago: MB - Obviously all the stuff I've posted earlier has gone over your head.

Also, if you want to pretend to be a Christian theologian at least read the book. Okay? Also learn to read in context. That was one lesson Jesus taught. One.

It's just like the devil to not want God's children to pray together. To sit in a hidey-hole rather than confront the darkness. All throughout the book of ACTs Jesus' followers prayed together. What do you think was going on in the upper room? We are told to pray without ceasing.

This is a little uncharacteristic of you. You sound like a spoiled kid whose candy or toy has been taken away.

Stop frothing and foaming at the mouth and keep your porn. Keep it. That's up to you and it's not my business. I'm not going to fuss with you about it. You're a grown man and I'll probably never even meet you.

However it does becomes my business when creeps and low lives want to impose that garbage on my family in the name of their supposed freedom. When it pollutes the airwaves and impacts the lives of folks who would have nothing to do with it if it weren't so accessible or rampant like a vile disease. When it twists the minds of the unstable off the edge and spills over to where others get hurt.

That's when it becomes my business.
33 months ago: Nice try at diversion Mark...

You know better, that's not how we play...

I didn't "broad-brush" nudists, (and I didn't even mention Playboy or going to Hooters) what I said, and you can read it again is...

"I say "nudists" because these are the new-breed of naked deviants to land on our beaches"

...I was referring to those who have been completely taken over by porn and deviance, even psychologists (that I linked), state that the more the 'use' the more the abuse into harder and more violent porn, or deviant porn with children. It is this kind of "nudist" that doesn't care if children are present or subjected to it, or even targeted. I am saying this because my friend who won a court settlement has 19 video tapes of this degradation... including a rape of an under-age person, that the Police did not lay charges on!

IF you don't know anything about me... know this... I DON'T LIKE TO BE WRONG... so you can bet I will have plenty of links to verifiable evidence, substantiated in court or public domain to prove my point. Your diversionary tactic making this about Christian fundamentalism is just 'mental' ...you don't have a "link" to stand on and you find yourself looking at a "check-mate" ....your move.
33 months ago: Mark,

IF you had brain damage would you know it?

PORNOGRAPHY VIEWING CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE IN THE MALE INTERNET PORN ADDICT
http://internet-filter-review.toptenrevi...

Nearly all men who view pornography use it as the stimulus for masturbation. As a result they frequently suffer feelings of guilt, shame, regret and humiliation.
Many men become addicted to pornography and lose their freedom. They feel trapped, out of control, and in despair. They literally become slaves to their own lust.
Pornography places men on an emotional roller coaster. One minute they're happy, the next they're sad; calm, then angry; kind, then cold. These moods change without warning, causing stress and pain for wives, children, friends and associates. Feelings of estrangement ensue, further isolating and alienating them from their loved ones, which often drive men even deeper into the self-medicating escape of pornography.
Men isolated on the slippery slope of pornography typically fail in their families and marriages, and in their relations with people in general. They are less effective, less reliable, less creative, and more prone to meanness and fits of anger. In essence, pornography turns men into zombie-like characters who are but a shadow of their true selves and potential. They waste their time, talents and resources, caught up in their own dark little world of pornography viewing.
In the advanced stages, pornography addiction can lead a man to commit rape, incest, violence, exhibitionism, other sex-related crimes and even suicide. Millions of men have lost their families, their careers, their reputations, their good names, and their freedom just to satisfy their addiction.
Pornography can take an immensely good, talented, enthusiastic man and turn him into one of the walking dead.

markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: ...It's just like the devil to not want God's children to pray together...

You're accusing me of being in league with your imaginary 'devil' and I'm the one foaming at the mouth? By the way, when you say God's children, does that include Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, and Wiccan children? Or does it include those other children provided they pray the evangelical Christian way and know that the 'devil' doesn't want them to.

...Stop frothing and foaming at the mouth and keep your porn... That's up to you and it's not my business...However it does becomes my business...

I edited out your frothing about the low lives garbage, polluting the airwaves, and vile disease bit to show there's a possible contradiction here. Nobody is forcing you or your children to watch adult programming on TV or surf the web for adult content. If your business is to 'clean' the airwaves and 'clean' the Internet of the so called 'vile disease', you are getting into everybody else's business. Am I wrong or did I misread it?

And again, where is the bombastic righteous indignation about gluttony or non-sexual sins? Where is the indignation about war, starvation, genocide, corruption, etc. It seems that fundamentalist bombast is reserved to the sexual arena.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: Let's quote a Forbes article regarding this 'website' you cited for this ridiculous assertion:

http://tinyurl.com/3hmpm5n

"Internet Filter Review, a Web site that recommends content-blocking software. It is run by tech entrepreneur Jerry Ropelato of Huntsville, Utah, who pens antiporn screeds, such as "Tricks Pornographers Play," and publishes curious and uncredited stats (for example, "17% of all women struggle with pornography addiction").

"Most of the statistics there have come from literally hundreds of sources, all reputable," Ropelato insists. He says he got the age-11 item from The Drug of the New Millennium, a book about the dangers of porn self-published in 2000 by Mark Kastleman, a self-professed former porn addict in Orem, Utah, who counsels other porn fiends. "I don't remember where I got that from," Kastleman says breezily. "That is a very common statistic." And there the trail goes cold."

So you're citing a person that that touts Internet censoring software - go figure. And your other cite is from the Deseret News - a newspaper that is owned by the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Oh no you say, it's not about religion! O.o
33 months ago: Mark,

Since you went on to attack Huey, he must have struck a nerve, was it...

"This is a little uncharacteristic of you. You sound like a spoiled kid whose candy or toy has been taken away."

...actually it is quite characteristic of you, when someone makes sense and trods on your items of worship... Mmmm.. there may be more to this "fertility god" thing than I first thought (I am trying to be sarcastically funny)... as to "sin" and you brought it up, I might add... I will take a slight liberty on the subject... not all sin is alike...

"Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:18)

Jesus said... "it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person." (Matthew 15:11)

...the quote is for people eating with a Ruler or Magistrate, not to be given to gluttony and crave his delicacies that are deceptive. NOT generally over eating, which I agree is wrong. But not as destructive as the porn industry. Seriously, if a man overeats and dies of a heart-attack... so what? IF a man gives himself to pornography... AND DEFENDS IT BY HIS WORDS... that defiles himself (as Jesus said) and those who look to him to be a guide and role model.

33 months ago: Mark,

IF you produced an internet filter to help my family to stay away from the destruction of porn, I would buy it first from you... even if you think faith in my God is a "fairy-tale".
33 months ago: Mark,

I found another scripture that may help us understand the "stand" we take, for or against particular topics...

"Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul" (1 Peter 2:11)

...as a friend once said to me: "Our morality, dictates our theology" ...what ever desires we are taken with, will determine what we "believe" in order to keep those vices that have taken us over... in this war for our souls.
33 months ago: Mark,

So if we scrap the site referral, what about all the other evidence and testimonials of the destruction Porn brings to our society?

Oh... BTW did you have any ref's for your "ridiculous assertions" Mmmm?
33 months ago: Mark you say...

"Truthbarry is a fan of MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) fighting where two men often violently pummel each other senseless and it's for real. It's not a video game and it's fake pro wrestling. BTW, I'm a fan myself but I don't hypocritically go on holy crusades against porn while enjoying my bloodsports"

...do you masturbate during UFC or MMA? I DON'T >>> BIG DIFFERENCE! ...there are rules in the UFC and there are reffs to stop a fight if someone is in danger... it is not wanton violence. UFC is a sport... street-fighting is violent!

I have allowed my teens to watch UFC with me; but even as an avid fan... I will turn it off if someone is getting bloodied... even if it is superficial. As to violent games such as "Tour of Duty" ...anything like that is not allowed in our house period!
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: ..do you masturbate during UFC or MMA?..

Now that's a keeper! It's not wanton violence and you turn it off when there' blood? Watch this video and get back to me on that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLr6De5Is...
33 months ago: Mark don't you think that video is against this site's rules... and it is not an accurate depiction of the average UFC fight... flag!
33 months ago: But if you like YouTube videos... here is a must for any man...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bn4g8MZm...
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: Flag? How is a link to excerpts of UFC fights a violation of the site rules? Is it because it shows the real & wanton violence of a blood sport you enjoy watching even as you simultaneously rail against porn?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: Whoever posted that video only has 1 subscriber and you're making fun of somebody who only has 20 fans? O.O
33 months ago: Mark,

Well if you can, so can I... HA HA HA
...don't tell me you watched the whole vid...

BTW ...it's acceptable "violence" if Clay Guida gets bloodied !:]
33 months ago: Mark you said...

"So you're citing a person that that touts Internet censoring software - go figure. And your other cite is from the Deseret News - a newspaper that is owned by the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Oh no you say, it's not about religion!"

...maybe it is not about religion, rather practicality... I don't know but Utah (LDS) Capital is touted as the Online Porn Capital of the USA too... just sayin....

"The United States of Shame (CHART)...
44. Utah: highest rate of of online porn subscriptions..."
http://pleated-jeans.com/2011/01/24/the-...
32 months ago: Finally someone says it like it is! Prayer has not nor ever will be banned in school, only the forced participation and adherence to a specified religious doctirne as part of the schools daily activities.

If the Christians get a day to say a prayer, so do the Wiccans, the Satanists and any other religious group that wishes to take part, should equal about one day for each during the entire school year since there are HUNDREDS if not thousands of different religions.

Nothing wrong with a group getting together during the school day to do their thing as long as it does not disrupt nor interfere with normal school activities.

As for the scared and bullied, that mostly comes from the religious zealots who want as much attention to the supposed ban as possible so they can point fingers and try to get laws passed so they CAN get prayer back in schools the way it was before, Christian and mandatory. BOOHOOHOO, poor little me, oppressed by big, bad government. NOT!
32 months ago: "However it does becomes my business when creeps and low lives want to impose that garbage on my family in the name of their supposed freedom. When it pollutes the airwaves and impacts the lives of folks who would have nothing to do with it if it weren't so accessible or rampant like a vile disease."

Time to get rid of your TV's and radios so you won't be tempted to expose yourself to whatever might be on the airwaves...... In other words, it is up to you to control the "bad" influences by controling how you are exposed, not by removing or outlawing their existence.
Huey Newton
Huey Newton
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32 months ago: "...by removing or outlawing their existence."

Sounds like a good idea. Just like kiddie porn, kill it.
Huey Newton
Huey Newton
 Administrator
32 months ago: "Nothing wrong with a group getting together during the school day to do their thing as long as it does not disrupt nor interfere with normal school activities."

That's right and I agree. It's a sad fact however that many administrators and officials attempt to intimidate and bully in a vain effort to keep that from happening.

In the long run though, people that really know how to pray don't whine, complain or cry when unjustly targeted. They continue to praise and live victoriously.

"BOOHOOHOO, poor little me, oppressed by big, bad government. NOT! "

Right. That's to be expected. Again, crying is not the answer. Standing up is.
33 months ago: Markbyrn,

Just so you have the "dots connected" ...my correlation of porn to public acts of sexual immorality, was that pornographic deviance was being acted-out for all to see... whether they wanted it or not. Any one passing by couldn't just "unplug" and it would go away, it was a public access road to the beach. Furthermore, it was the lack of Police intervention that shows the pervasiveness of this filth in our society, and the tolerance for it.
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: What gets me todays youth think they discovered this. This is nothing new.
In the 60s it was Free Sex, drugs, and everything that went with it.
It was communes and flower power. You name it they did it.
They grew up like everyone else does.
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: You get very angry at me when I talk. With you it doesn't seem you have respect for what woman have to say, but the men you do. You compromise with them.
You sound about 19 years old.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
33 months ago: I'm certainly not angry at all. I also had no idea until this very second that you were a woman.

It is makes no difference what sex you are, I may seem to be more harsh towards you but that is because a lot of what you say is baseless (No evidence). If you would make a rational statement and back it up with some evidence we could certainly compromise. It is difficult to reason with unreasonable people.

I'm much older than 19...again why does age matter?
sunny2
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33 months ago: You lack life experience, and in no way can you evaluate people. It is quite evident in your narratives. There is no reasoning to be had with you. You don't have the rational sense to analyse what is being said to you because people are caring. You say what I have to say is baseless, why because I know what you don't. Of course I do. 100,000 x more. I'm being very kind to you by the way.
How can you prove anything, you say to me? The evidence is stacked against you. Why not read some police reports or pull out newspapers regarding porn and what innocent children have had to take as victims of these sickos. You say the same thing over and over with no expression because you don't have the knowledge on this subject. You are unemotional and unaware.
Perfect Horizon
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sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: I'm not writing anymore to this one guys. I said my piece, and I don't want it any part of this corrupt subject to touch me as a person.