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Pope attacks secular Britain as being like Nazi Germany

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Pope Benedict XVI has continued his ongoing condemnation of secularism during his visit to secular Britain. As Catholic Online put it "Benedict likened the rise of British atheism and secularism to the rise of the Nazi Party in his native Germany." (http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=38293)

Benedict's comments to the British people, who valiantly fought the Nazis and their Axis collaborators in World War II, were received with gritted teeth, for the most part. Benedict, formerly known as Joseph Ratzinger also had a part in World War II as a member of the Hitler Youth, but is now the Supreme Leader of the Vatican State.

One of Benedict's chief aides, Cardinal Walter Kasper, who was due to accompany Benedict to Britain, bemoaned that 'England is a secularised, pluralistic country these days. When you land at Heathrow Airport, you sometimes think you might have landed in a Third World country. In England in particular, an aggressive neo-atheism has spread.'

The Pope, variously proclaimed as God's representative, or even God's embodiment, now lives in a palace in the Vatican. The Vatican has none of the issues with secularism or multiple faiths and beliefs that Cardinal Kasper alluded to in Britain.

The Vactican, that small, ideal state, is devoid of all non-Catholic places of worship, and non-Catholic citizens. Indeed, even its mercenary military force is not open to non-Catholics, let alone atheists, Jews or anyone else. The penalty for opposition to the Pope's proclamations - heresy - has often been decreed as condemnation to hell, if not always earthly torture.

We might forgive Benedict's weak grasp of democracy, history and the real world outside his palace. The golden age of non-secularism, while still practised in the Middle East, and a few other places, is long past for the west. It ended, coincidentally, with the end of the Dark Ages. The non-secular states are possibly the only ones where stoning is still practised and women are still tortured for non-subjugation.

Hitler was on the same wavelength as Benedict when it came to atheism and faith. Adolf Hitler, himself, was raised a Roman Catholic. Hitler often praised the German Christian heritage and German Christian culture. Hitler stated, "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

Hitler saw Christianity as providing a valid basis for anti-semitism. Hitler stated "For eight months we have been waging a heroic battle against the Communist threat to our people, the decomposition of our culture, the subversion of our art, and the poisoning of our public morality. We have put an end to denial of God and abuse of religion. " He's talking about Jews, if that needs to be spelled out.

Echoing the sentiments of Pope Benedict stated, Hitler further stated "The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and disunion between the classes, for the conquest of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord. These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles."

British philosopher Richard Dawkins has commented "Even if Hitler had been an atheist, his political philosophy was not based upon atheism and had no connection with atheism. Hitler was arguably (and by his own account) a Roman Catholic. In any case he enjoyed the open support of many of the most senior catholic clergy in Germany and the less demonstrative support of Pope Pius XII. Even if Hitler had been an atheist (he certainly was not), the rank and file Germans who carried out the attempted extermination of the Jews were Christians, almost to a man: either Catholic or Lutheran, primed to their anti-Semitism by centuries of Catholic propaganda about 'Christ-killers' and by Martin Luther's own seething hatred of the Jews. "

The Pope, who is opposed to secularism, Islam, Judaism, Protestantism, amongst other things, also condemns condoms as abomination against God. One can picture the joyous return to medieval Europe that he might idealize.

Let's get back to the amusing Cardinal Kasper. Mr Kasper complained before his planned trip to Britain that "one is discriminated against" on British Airways for wearing a cross. British Airways, constrained from directly saying "what a load of papal bull****" diplomatically said that the Cardinal had been "seriously misinformed" in his claims about the airline, and that "It is completely untrue that we discriminate against Christians or members of any faith".

The Vatican defended the Cardinal's remarks as commentary on the UK's multicultural society and said that Kasper would not travel to Britain, due to health issues. Mental ones, one might suggest.

They might be the supreme rulers of God's domain, in their own eyes at least, but they are not the wisest or most gracious of guests when they step out of their own ivory palaces.

Irony is patently not Mr Ratzinger's strong suit. As one on-line poster said, with a delightful combination of British understatement and irony "I'm ever so glad the British taxpayers all paid £13mil for this c*** to talk s*** on our own doorstep. "

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amishking
amishking
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Auburn, NY
20 months ago: Sure, Benny can make the comparison between secular Britain and Nazi Germany. After all, he was part of the Hitler youth.

Britain paid 13 million pounds for this visit, and how many are without jobs?

20 months ago: You would think that the Pope could be expected to pay for his own visit, not make the country he visits pay him, after all, he is head of one of the richest religions on the planet. In fact, I think he should be required to pay for all the extra security and other amenities that I'm sure he took full advantage of.

Is Britian going to fork over more millions to have the heads of other religions visit? How about the heads of smaller, much more private religions? Shouldn't cost me more than 200K to bring my small group over for a visit, and I promise not to just buy rounds at the pub with it.

As for the self appointed head of the Catholic Church, oh that's right, he's elected by other's seeking the same position, at the rate he's going, his place in history will be right beside the idol of his youth, not his God.
20 months ago: Of course, Mr Ratzinger was probably compelled to join the Hitler Youth and then the military forces, unless he wanted to face the consequences. Most did the same. No big deal in itself. The spirit may be willing, but the flesh is weak.

The important thing, as I see it, is that the secularism that Benedict condemns is all about the freedom to adhere to the beliefs one individually chooses, rather than being forced by authority, such as in Nazi Germany, to adhere to a belief.

"Excessive secularism" means "excessive freedom to come to your own views without imposing your will on others by claimed authority from your own deity". Something the Pope, whose job is to tell people what to do on behalf of God, doesn't like, I suppose.

Let him go to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan or Iran, throw a big taxpayer funded Catholic party, and congratulate those non-secular countries for rejecting excessive secularism.

You have had a great idea for a party, Sir. If your idea works, consider me one of your followers.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
20 months ago: Pope forgot to cancel subscription to Hitler Youth in 1945:

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2010/09/16/po...
garryck
garryck
England
18 months ago: Dear All

I am the Editor of Peoples Party Essex from London England. The Pope visits many countries and of course is welcome. Millions of Catholics look up the him as there pontiff and quite rightly.

He at this present time obviously feels that Great Britain can help the world because it still has a large influence even thought small islands. He mentioned that Britain was secularised like the atheistic state in Germany when the Nazi's ruled. The German state in 1933 was pro-catholic and the atheistic state was Stalinist Russia.

He states that he was only in the Wehmake(german army) for a few months in 1945 before deserting to the Allies but he has failed to mention that many faced concentration camps for their beliefs and as a soldier he would have spoken 'the Hitler oath' on completion of his training.

Britain he was inferring was ungodly and yes the majority of citizens do not attend church but comparing British people with Nazism is just a bit strong.

I am not a Catholic but my ex wife was till she changed her religion to Jehovah's Witness.

Why is Jesus Love and his Fathers love so important?

Love is the oil that lubricates the universe nothing would exist without love, love is the motivating ingredient for all creation, all energy and matter comes from God, that means all atoms exist because of love because as has been shown 'God is love' and all creation comes from God 'giving birth to the productive land' {Psalm 90:1-4} [NW].He is the source of Holy Spirit and all energy. Love is mentioned everywhere in the bible but it is well expressed by the apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians chapter 13.

This is taken from our web site www.pp-e.org/biblestudycourse it is all about why religion can be good but many religious people consider themselves better than atheists or agnostics. Jesus' disciples were from the non-religious group, in fact Matthew was a tax collector. Jesus talked to the woman at the well, she was a foreigner and Jews & men did not speak to women either.

Yet Jesus spoke to her, He did not feel superior, he did not live in a palace, he claimed to be God's son. I believe him but some including believe he was God the Son part of some Trinity, this is Catholic, we know the 'truth' visit our web site.


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