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On the Planet Krypton INCEST is allowed.

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Incest on the planet Krypton is allowed
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I was taking a walk yesterday, this friendly woman said hello, I stopped to talk to her, about Christianity, she said the Bible is not accurate, I said why do you say so, she said that who did the children of Cain and Able marry? I said, in those days they lived for a thousand years during those days there must have been thousands of children born, she replied so they committable Incest? did they have a choice, they had to work with what they had. "Say Eve asked Adam, will you be faithful. That would have been a foolish question. Let's face it she was his "Rib to begin with" is that Incest? You can't get more into it than that?

any way this is what is said about the subject. Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife,.... Who this woman was is not certain, nor whether it was his first wife or not; whether his sister, or one that descended from Adam by another of his sons, since this was about the one hundred and thirtieth year of the creation. At first indeed Cain could marry no other than his sister; but whether he married Abel's twin sister, or his own twin sister, is disputed; the Jews say (g), that Cain's twin sister was not a beautiful woman, and therefore he said, I will kill my brother and take his wife: on the other hand, the Arabic writers say (h), that Adam would have had Cain married Abel's twin sister, whom they call Awin; and Abel have married Cain's twin sister, whom they call Azron; but Cain would not, because his own sister was the handsomest; and this they take to be the occasion of the quarrel, which issued in the murder of Abel.

And she conceived and bare Enoch; which signifies "trained up", not in the true religion, and in the ways of God and godliness, as one of this name descending from Seth was, who is said to walk with God; but in the practices of his father Cain, and in a wicked course of life:

(For Cain to marry his sister or any other close relation was not harmful as it is today. There would be few if any genetic disorders at this time. However, as time past, the human race accumulated more and more genetic defects.

[So by the time of Moses, the laws against incest, as given in Lev_18:1, were necessary. These laws helped prevent deformed children. Ed.)]

I found the answer, its all in the Bible:

Lev 18:1 The LORD told Moses
Lev 18:2 to tell the people of Israel: I am the LORD your God!
Lev 18:3 So don't follow the customs of Egypt where you used to live or those of Canaan where I am bringing you.
Lev 18:4 I am the LORD your God, and you must obey my teachings.
Lev 18:5 Obey them and you will live. I am the LORD.
Lev 18:6 Don't have sex with any of your close relatives,
Lev 18:7 especially your own mother. This would disgrace your father.
Lev 18:8 And don't disgrace him by having sex with any of his other wives.
Lev 18:9 Don't have sex with your sister or stepsister, whether you grew up together or not.
Lev 18:10 Don't disgrace yourself by having sex with your granddaughter
Lev 18:11 or half sister
Lev 18:12 or a sister of your father or mother.
Lev 18:13 (SEE 18:12)
Lev 18:14 Don't disgrace your uncle by having sex with his wife.
Lev 18:15 Don't have sex with your daughter-in-law
Lev 18:16 or sister-in-law.
Lev 18:17 And don't have sex with the daughter or granddaughter of any woman that you have earlier had sex with. You may be having sex with a relative, and that would make you unclean.
Lev 18:18 As long as your wife is alive, don't cause trouble for her by taking one of her sisters as a second wife.
Lev 18:19 When a woman is having her monthly period, she is unclean, so don't have sex with her.
Lev 18:20 Don't have sex with another man's wife--that would make you unclean.
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13 months ago: All of you male humans on RantRave, please take heed of this law:

Lev 18:20 Don't have sex with another man's wife--that would make you unclean.
13 months ago: "Where did Cain get his wife?"
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...
13 months ago: "Creationists are often asked, "How is it possible for the earth's population to reach 6.5 billion people if the world is only about 6,000 years old and if there were just two humans in the beginning?" Here is what a little bit of simple arithmetic shows us..."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...
13 months ago: Christians if you are asked about this subject, the answer is:

(For Cain to marry his sister or any other close relation was not harmful as it is today. There would be few if any genetic disorders at this time. However, as time past, the human race accumulated more and more genetic defects.
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13 months ago: I'm hoping that picture is just an independent piece of sleaze and not something that DC Comics has sanctioned. They have screwed over his character so many times in the past.

There are people out there that simply don't beieve in anything good, pure, or honest anymore. That's just sad.

Superman is one of the few noble superheroes left in the comic universe that has mass popularity. He's always been one of my favorites even if many of the old comics were sometimes corney.

As far as Hollywood portrayals, the Christopher Reeve character was okay but the Brandon Routh character was an outright, lying bum!

Superman's portrayals have been at their best in the older comics, George Reeves TV version and in the cartoons, "Superman: The Animated Series" and the "Justice League" from Warner Brothers.

Of course there are shades of gray, but it is great when the good guys are actually good guys to their hearts.

That being said, Edward, you hit the nail on the head with regard to the population of this world. God made all people from one blood. If folks would simply understand and embrace that, racism goes out the window and then we can relate as a human family who can and should worship the same LORD God and Creator.

The first-generation coupling of siblings was an exception. It was necessary in order to poulate the earth from 2 original parents. Consanguinal relationships are no longer to be looked at as being normal and the genetic problems that now occur of direct evidence of that.

That being said, even if there were no genetic ramifications at this point, there is a moral prohibition that is still almost universally accepted as that type of behavior being perverted or abnormal.

One day they may pass laws for incest to be allowed and protected as legitimate behavior. Or even worse they will pass laws for marriage equality amongst close family relatives and then try to pin hate and phobias on people who see such behavior as abnormal, wrong and sinful. Those days may be closer than we think.

Moral relativism and secular humanism deify humankind. When humankind sees itself as God, it's only a matter of time before it self-destructs.

I wish there were more movies out there like Captain America and more heroes in the comic universe like the real and original Superman.
13 months ago: The picture is just an independent piece of sleaze, an attention grabber. I agree that laws should be passed against incest.

I know the Hutterites would invite or pay strangers, to come into their settlement to bring new blood into their community.


Hutterites (German: Hutterer) are a communal branch of Anabaptists who, like the Amish and Mennonites, trace their roots to the Radical Reformation of the 16th century. Since the death of their founder Jakob Hutter in 1536, the beliefs of the Hutterites, especially living in a community of goods and absolute pacifism, have resulted in hundreds of years of odyssey through many countries. Nearly extinct by the 18th and 19th centuries, the Hutterites found a new home in North America. Over 125 years their population grew from 400 to around 42,000.
13 months ago: Huey, if Superman was real, don't you think that he and his kind would be resistant to genetic defects?

13 months ago: Superman only has super powers due to the earth's yellow sun. That's what makes him pretty much invulnerable.

On Krypton they had a red sun. In that environment, as technologically advanced as they were, the Kryptonians were still susceptible to disease and illness.

Saying that to say, the genetic factor would be eliminated between Supes and his cousin here on earth if they had relations. However a sexual relationship between them would still be morally wrong and reprehensible.

What's funny Edward, is that this is a site that was known for folks expressing an opinion, and here we are, the only ones bringing it on this post.

What's happened to the community here? This is a good post and ripe for conversation, yet where are they?

Any other comments out there?

Seems like lots of folks are wimping out on too many issues these days.
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13 months ago: I think the reason that incest is considered taboo today is strictly because of the result of close familial reproduction. It is abhorrent to us because close kin produce weak and inferior offspring.

Now about Cain's wife. I don't believe he married one of his kin. I believe the two creation stories told in Genesis are just that: ...two creation stories. In the first chapter we are told that God created man....

The first chapter tells us that God created "... every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly..."
and then goes on to say:
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE AND FEMALE created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH the earth...,"

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

Every tree, barring none, in the first chapter.

In the second chapter we are told that God formed 'A man' from the dust of the Earth and breathed the breath of life into him and set him in the garden. and he could eat of every tree.... EXCEPT ONE.

Cain went to the land of Nod, and knew his wife. It is not specifically stated from whence Cain took his wife, but it would be highly illogical for Cain to have a wife before he went to Nod, and then wait until he got there before he consummated his marriage. Therefore one could assume that Cain went to Nod and got married.

I would assert that Cain married one of the people who God "created" and not the offspring of the one whom God "formed".

13 months ago: Hi OOTB,

I believe it's actually a better assumption that other of Adam and Eve's offspring simply migrated to Nod as well.

It's better not to exceed what is written.

Multiple creations of different races or polygenism, cannot be biblically supported and is a belief that has done far more harm than good.

The Dake's study bible actually had notes in it to support the idea of the inferiority of blacks based upon a separate creation of humans. Proponents of this idea often thought that non-whites were inferior beings who could be treated as slaves. Pre-Adamism thus became the scientific justification for slavery, and a defense for racism.

They have since changed their tune and edited out those notes due to being strongly confronted on the issue a dozen years back by a well-known black pastor.

Another example is is Hugh Ross. Ross believes that at one time there were pre-Adamic hominids populating the earth. Soulless beings that lived, killed, fought and died before Adam and Eve were ever on the scene. He was not the first to come up with this idea, but he has kept it out there and it still flies in the face of sound biblical exegesis and clearly exceeds what is written.

In Acts 17:26 states that all the nations were created of one blood. Also consider Genesis 3:20 which states that Eve is the mother of all living. Those versus point in the direction of we all having the same original biological parents rather than being the offspring of different genetic stock.

Biblically speaking that makes the most sense however some will read into it whatever they want. I tend to be more of a biblical conservative and literalist unless we are dealing with obvious literary devices and allegory in the communication of an account or the conveyance of an idea in the scriptures.

At least that's how I see it.
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13 months ago:
Some folks will go the extra mile to explain their racial prejudices. I never even considered it that way.

I think I'm not "exceeding what is written" any more than those who assume that Cain married one of his sisters. Besides that, why would Cain need a "mark, so that those who saw him would not kill him"? Were the first descendants of Adam so loosely knit that they might kill one of their own family on sight?

Add too the chromosome, or gene pool. Adam had one set of chromosomes, no regressive or repressive genes, because he was made complete and one of a kind, no parents to inherit from. Eve was made from a copy of Adam's DNA, which would be identical except for the missing Y chromosome. It would stand to reason that any offspring would be carbon copies, genetically, of their parents.
13 months ago: I understand the thought process; I just don't believe that's what is taught in God's Word.

Since Eve is called the mother of all humanity how can there be humanity that has come about that did not originate with her?

Also, the suggestion that some humans did not descend from Adam and Eve undermines the logic of the Gospel. A precondition for salvation is to be a physical descendant of Adam. Jesus Christ is called the 'last Adam' (1 Corinthians 15:45) and He is also called our Kinsman redeemer and the second Adam.

The first Adam brought in the curse of death and bloodshed, the last Adam shed His blood in death, overcoming death through His Resurrection. That is the whole point of Paul's message in 1 Corinthians 15:21–22. The Apostle Paul makes it clear in the New Testament that all people alive on Earth today are Adam's descendants.

Conjecturing a separate race of humans that have not descended from Adam and Eve severely distorts and compromises the entire plan of salvation.

Adam is called 'the first man' (1 Corinthians 15:45,47), Eve 'the mother of all the living' (Genesis 3:20) and that from one man God made every nation (Acts 17:26).

I simply stick with that.

We can be saved because the last Adam entered our human line—descended from the first Adam, as we all are. Jesus being the second Adam has come to redeem his kinsmen.

We can suppose that there were people around that could serve as spouses for Cain and his siblings, but that opens the door for all manner of wacked out and even racist ideas (Box- I am not proposing that is your intent.)

What we end up with in that scenario however is a situation where some folks are 'human' enough to intermarry with others, but not 'human' enough to be saved by the Lord Jesus because he is not their relative and hence, not their kinsman and therefore NOT their Kinsman Redeemer.
13 months ago: "Besides that, why would Cain need a "mark, so that those who saw him would not kill him"? Were the first descendants of Adam so loosely knit that they might kill one of their own family on sight?"

Evidently so. Sin has a way of messing up even close families when allowed to run its course.
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13 months ago: While it is true, stated in Genesis, that all Gentiles come from Japtheth's lineage, the whole thing is far from easily settled. At worst, Cain would have married his half-sister, considering he was the son of Satan, not Adam.

I John 3:12 "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.." The Hebrew word used here for "of" means 'the offspring of' when implying a person.

Genesis 5
Cain is not mentioned in the lineage of Adam because he was not from Adam's seed, but of another.
13 months ago: In Genesis 5:3 it says that Adam "had other sons and daughters", but none of these are mentioned either.

Cain was the son of Adam and Eve. Scripture is very clear on this point. It is in a spiritual sense only that Cain was "of the evil one" (1 Jon.3:12). He chose evil deeds of his own volition just like we do (Jude 11), not because of any predisposed family relationship to the devil.

Read John 8:33-46. Key on verse 44.

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire."

Cain was no more the literal, physical offspring of satan than these folks were.

These people were spiritually dead and separated from God. All of us are until we come to Jesus Christ and receive the life that He offers. When receive Him, then and only then, we born into the family of God. Until that time its fair to say that we are all children of the devil.

John 1:11-13
He came unto his own, and His own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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13 months ago: "Cain was the son of Adam and Eve. Scripture is very clear on this point."

It is made abundantly clear in the omission of the FIRST BORN of Adam from his genealogy that Cain was not the son of Adam. Hebrew tradition always lists the first born male, and any other important offspring, and refers to the rest as "other sons and daughters".

Here is what really happened in the garden of Eden: Eve lost her virginity to 'the serpent,' whom was that 'Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden,' and who is none other than Satan himself. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that Genesis 4:1 was mis-translated, or downright altered, and should read:

"And Adam knew his wife Eve, who was pregnant by Sammael (Satan), and she conceived and bare Cain, and he was like the heavenly beings, and not like the earthly beings, and she said, I have gotten a man from the angel of Yahweh."

In that manner Satan managed to corrupt God's creation from the get-go.
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"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire."

The Sadducees and Pharisees that Jesus was speaking to were not Israelites. They were Kenites, direct descendants of Cain who had infiltrated the Jews over thousands of years. Jewish historian Josephus makes it clear that they were not true Jews. "Josephus, Wars 2:8:2"

That explains the entire conversation between them and Jesus, in which they tried to defend their legitimacy. I believe Jesus was speaking literally, not allegorically in calling them out as the posers they were.
13 months ago: So then who did Jesus die for and why?
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13 months ago: For "whosoever believes on Him... "
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13 months ago: Jesus also stated that Descendancy would be bestowed upon any who becomes a child of God.
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13 months ago: The last question was a simple check.

Your prior post is so rife with issues I just needed to be sure where you stood there.

I know for a fact we see eye to eye on many other issues but we are light years apart here.

You state that you are not exceeding what is written yet you are going to extra biblical sources to get information to back up your interpretation rather than letting the scriptures speak for themselves on this particular issue.

Genesis 4:1

"Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."

That's pretty clear. Cain was indeed the son of Adam and Eve. Eve even attributes her conception with divine assistance. No room for the devil in there at all.

One might as well conjecture that Cain was fathered by an extraterrestrial.

As far as the Dead Sea scrolls, you have to study that out a bit more. Genesis 4:1 was not even found among the textual remains of the Hebrew Bible among the Scrolls. The closest you get to a complete narrative for Chapter 4 are verses 2-11 and that fragment is identical to the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Bible used today.

Also, as far as I can see, the name Sammael, does not even appear in the scrolls.

The only book that is close to complete among the Dead Sea scrolls is Isaiah. Most of what was found in the scrolls, while it is useful, it is fragmentary and when not looked at accurately can leave a lot of room for error and speculation like we have here with this "serpent seed" doctrine.

As far as Josephus, where he contradicts the Apostles, I'll stick with their testimony.

Again, it is abundantly clear in the New Testament, that Jesus came to redeem the descendants of Adam. If one wants to postulate that there is a part or parts of humanity that are not related to Adam, then there also is no remedy for their spiritual death. Why is that? Because Jesus came as the second Adam to redeem those who are descended from the first Adam.

I Cor 15:20 – 22
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

In Adam ALL die, not some die. All of us are related to Adam.

The entire chapter of Romans 5 is very clear that death (both physical and spiritual) is a result of our relationship to Adam. In the same way spiritual life comes to us through our relationship to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:17-18
"For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men."

I'll stick with that.
13 months ago: Sorry Bro OOTB,

Huey has this one... according to the Bible anyway...

"In Acts 17:26 states that all the nations were created of one blood. Also consider Genesis 3:20 which states that Eve is the mother of all living. Those versus point in the direction of we all having the same original biological parents rather than being the offspring of different genetic stock."

OOTB, you said..."And Adam knew his wife Eve, who was pregnant by Sammael (Satan), and she conceived and bare Cain, and he was like the heavenly beings, and not like the earthly beings, and she said, I have gotten a man from the angel of Yahweh."

...As to Eve being pregnant from Satan... Mmm not Biblical, or even traditional... sometimes people think that just because we believe in an ancient text that we too include mythological works as well... or pseudographical works like the Book of Enoch... or it's contemporary example of drivel The Book of Mormon. Such is not the case! Science doesn't contradict the Bible nor does the Bible contradict true science... otherwise we would have living Cenatars and so on... no kind of species can cohabitate with another without suicidal gene mutation. Such too would be the case of an "alien" or at least a spirit (angel/demon/devil) similarly.

"This sole passage has caused more conjecture than most of the Holy scriptures combined... it is the taking of a verse here and there out of context, that can illumine the wildest imagination, to produce one of the greatest stories the Bible has NEVER TOLD!"
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/The-Nephili...

Beware of the temptation of conjecture.
13 months ago: The most critical insinuation by stating that Satan procreated with Eve, makes God out to be a copy-cat (as Spirit causing birth in a human) and not so "miraculous" at all... if even Satan could do it.... not true!
13 months ago: This is why even the Anti-Christ is NOT birthed of Satan... only possessed or empowered... Revelation 13:15 "The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed."
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13 months ago: "If the original words were just translated there would be no confusion over any passage in the bible"

Hmmmm
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13 months ago: Hebrews 13:2 (King James Version) "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

If angels can take on a human form, where would it be so far a stretch to be able to mate with one? They are for all intents and purposes human. Not alien DNA, not extra-special. If indeed Satan WAS the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and Jesus was the Tree of Life in the midst of the Garden of Eden, Then Satan could have taken on a human form, had relations with Eve, and caused her to become pregnant, then his offspring would have been introduced into the world. God would not have been copying Satan, because God did made Mary conceive
without a physical union.

Then the offspring of Cain could infiltrate the Jewish peoples over the next few thousand years, working their way into positions of authority in the church, becoming extremely wealthy, and ultimately ruling the world (for a time, until Jesus returns.) The conspiracy goes back to the very beginning.
13 months ago: OOTB,

It says "entertain strangers" not have sex with them... (just being cheeky)...

Jesus said... "For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." (Mark 12:25)

...it is clear the angels marry not, nor need to...

"There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another." (1 Corinthians 15:40)

...differing KINDS of flesh (or seed) cannot mingle...

"38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven." (1 Corinthians15:38-48)
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13 months ago: Truthbrary

"For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." (Mark 12:25)

Like angels in heaven. It doesn't say anything about the angels here on Earth that have taken on a human form. And if they can assume a human form, it wouldn't necessarily be any different than any other human body. Apparently they are indiscernible from natural humans, because "some have entertained angels unawares."

When they, the spiritual bodies, come to Earth as humans, they are donning an Earthly body, one you and I could touch, see, hear, etc. I actually touched one once, an angel in the form of an old crippled guy, about 70 years old. Well, I couldn't prove it, but I know in my heart he was. Old guy was laying in a parking lot struggling to get up using his cane. People passing all around him. I stopped and went over to him, asked him if he needed some help, and he asked me to help him stand. I hooked my hands under his arms and helped him off the ground, and faced him and asked "Do you need anything else?"
I was ready for him to play the usual game, asking for money so he could buy more booze. Instead, he looked me in the eye with clearest blue eyes, the whites of his eyes were completely white, not bloodshot, nor any sign of age. Looked like the eyes of a baby ensconced in a grizzly old face. He said, "I just wanted someone to help me up. Thank you."
I shook his hand, and again, it was like touching a baby. The skin was soft as baby's flesh, soft but not like the softness of an old person. Soft and firm, like a brand new body that was just made to look old.

I am not a superstitious person. I rarely even think of the supernatural as it pertains in day to day folklore. I simply know what I saw and felt that day.

13 months ago: Thanks for your testimony Bro...

I believe you 100% and don't question it for a second, yet touching an Angel doesn't prove sexual relations happened, and the Bible doesn't give any ref for that either... only extra biblical works refer to such. If one looks at Genesis 6 (the only ref close in any regards) it is clear by related content it wasn't Angelic/Demonic because it says they took "wives" ...and as referenced by Jesus, they aren't given in marriage. "Are not" is a complete statement without exception of past present or future.

The Nephilim: a Fallen Angel Fallacy
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/The-Nephili...
13 months ago: Huey, I see you know a lot quite a bit about the man of steel, I agree with your last post, but tiring not to get off track, in what galaxy would we find a red sun?

I believe it's all about lust and a lack of scruples, we know what is right and what is wrong, but we give in to our weaknesses, and the fruit of it is a deformed offspring.
13 months ago: Inbreeding is the reproduction from the mating of two genetically related parents. Inbreeding results in increased homozygosity, which can increase the chances of offspring being affected by recessive or deleterious traits.

This generally leads to a decreased fitness of a population, which is called inbreeding depression.
13 months ago: Inbreeding is the reproduction from the mating of two genetically related parents. Inbreeding results in increased homozygosity, which can increase the chances of offspring being affected by recessive or deleterious traits.

This generally leads to a decreased fitness of a population, which is called inbreeding depression.
13 months ago: Some folks want to pretend that there is no such thing as right and wrong.

Just the very idea that those concepts may exist in reality and are applicable to all of us, regardless of anything, simply freaks some out. It lets them know that there are principles that may exist on a universal rather than just a subjective level.

The mere thought of even the possibility of the existence of absolute truth, or universal truth, paralyzes their ability to even think much less be rational.

That's why they avoid the hard questions and make God in their image to their own chargrin.
13 months ago: More than some, Huey, there are few people that we can trust, in business I could tell stories that you will find hard to believe. On the news there are continuous stories of football & hockey coaches seducing young boys.

Do we have to receive the Holy Spirit to teach us right from wrong?
13 months ago: "Do we have to receive the Holy Spirit to teach us right from wrong?"

Nope. Unless our conscience is totally seared, we all have a basic idea of what is right or wrong.

That's leftover from our original state before the fall.

The Holy Spirit teaches, but beyond that, He gives us the power to deny the world, the flesh and the devil's attempts to corrupt us. It's all under our feet. But we have to submit and not fight.
13 months ago: He convicts us of sin, when we are tempted He applies the brakes.
13 months ago: You wrote: "Besides that, why would Cain need a "mark, so that those who saw him would not kill him"?

Very good point,


Gen 4:15 And Jehovah said to him, Therefore whoever kills Cain shall be avenged seven times. And Jehovah set a mark upon Cain so that anyone who found him should not kill him.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of Jehovah and lived in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.
13 months ago: The human race exploded after the two children of Adam and Eve. To the point that Cain needed to build a city, very interesting.
13 months ago: OOTB: why would Cain need a "mark, so that those who saw him would not kill him"? Were the first descendants of Adam so loosely knit that they might kill one of their own family on sight?

Did the human race multiply so quickly that some were strangers?
13 months ago: Because of my mixed heritage the chances of incest in my bloodline are nil yet I have a close friend whose 1st cousins got married in a Catholic ceremony and who have healthy children. Traditionally speaking incest was not taboo for royals it was a necessity to preserve their royal blood line. We also should remember that Abraham and Sarah were siblings if albeit only half. I think the immorality of incest manifests itself not when two siblings or cousins fall in love and live a wholesome monogamous life but when adultery, promiscuity and objectification of parents or children (adult or otherwise) takes place.
13 months ago: As for the seed of Adam, The Genesis story is just a snippet of those early days. It was preserved because it had something to teach us. There is no biblical proof that Cain and Able was Adams first and second born. There is evidence however that Adam and Eve carried on business as usual after their transgression in the Garden of Eden and that their progeny would have made their own choices too, some which wouldn't jive with the plans of Jehovah. It is to one of these groups of people that Cain went too.
13 months ago: Dwayne, there is some information. Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife. And she conceived and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from Jehovah.
Gen 4:2 And she bore again, his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Genesis 4:1 Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters, Gen_5:4. But Cain and Abel seem to have been the two eldest. Cain signifies possession; for Eve when she bare him said with joy and thankfulness, and great expectation, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
WESLEY
13 months ago: Edward,
You could read into it whatever you wish but the reality of the text is not complicated. The scripture tells the story of two brothers who were born in quick succession of one another. After the elder kills the younger out of jealousy he is banished by God from his homeland. Cain is now labeled a murderer with nowhere to call home. Cain is sure that he would be seen as an intruder in whatever land he goes to and thus be killed! God sees to it that he will not be killed in any land he passes through. With this assurance Cain does not follow God's order to remains a homeless wanderer but instead finds a place that will accept him. That place is Nod and in Nod he finds a woman to be his wife. In the entire narrative there is no indication that this happened before Adam and Eve had any other children. There is however indications that there is other populated areas outside of where Adam and Eve live. This is a list of the ones that I've noticed.


1) Eve is excited about bearing a son. This could be an indication that she had already had a lot of girls.
2) The Bible names their professions as adults. Why is this detail pertinent? Was their offering contingent on their professions? Who else would notice or care?
3) Cain calls Abel to his field. Why would Abel go? Was the pretext a business transaction?
4) Cain's response to God as to the whereabouts of his brother would make no sense if there were only 4 people on earth on the other hand if Abel is an adult living his own life in a populated community it makes perfect sense.
5) Cain is exiled from the land where he dwells and from the presence of God. Where is the presence of God? In Eden, where Adam and Eve were forbidden from entering but where they could still approach its borders to worship. Where was him home before his sentence? He settled east of Eden. So he must have lived close by. Both of these are indicators that there was a centralized place of worship and that there were lands and communities around it.
6) He settled in the Land of Nod and built a city. This above all is the greatest indicator. Nod was a country if Cain was building a city.



Face it. Adam and Eve were around for a long time and were extremely prolific. Life went on for all their children and the only reason Cain and Abel's story was told because its lesson was to be valuable for generations to come not as a proof text that Cain and Abel was Adam and Eve's first and second born.
13 months ago: OK... Ya'll been busy, first what is "incest"? IF it is marrying a relative... we are all guilty... that however isn't a basis for looking beyond scripture for the answer of Creation. Until we are all "caught up" on our study of biblical ref... here is a good place to get some basis for the study relevant to this topic...

"Where did Cain get his wife?"
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...
13 months ago: "Creationists are often asked, "How is it possible for the earth's population to reach 6.5 billion people if the world is only about 6,000 years old and if there were just two humans in the beginning?" Here is what a little bit of simple arithmetic shows us...."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...
13 months ago: Truthbrary, Same as a Networking business, only everyone have sexual relations?
13 months ago: Ed,

Just sayin that we are all related through Adam and Eve...
if not Noah and his family.
13 months ago: Of course, that is why we inherited his sin.
13 months ago: LOVE our Lord, there is so much I have on my heart that I would like to share, but I don't seem to be able to express myself the way I would like, all that I can say at this time, is that we have to do every thing, to overcome the things of this World and our own flesh. The Bible says that those that over comes and endures to the End will inherent the Kingdom of Heaven!!

RantRave is a wonderful way to share, It is my intention not to fight with anyone, if you do not believe the things that I write, then it is still possible that we may learn the truth from each other, I said the TRUTH. but whatever we do, let it be in love.
13 months ago: You can't inherit sin. Even if I believed in it, I wouldn't accept that what someone else did is my burden too. Would make the entire effort of the writers of the Bible useless to the inth degree.

Just another reason I can't put any stock in the oldest hoax perpetrated on the human race.
13 months ago: Six,

How do you explain our propensity to selfishness? Our predisposition to lie? And our natural desire to envy? Mmmm ...the Bible calls it "original" sin! What you call a hoax, has you behaving rather predictably !:]
13 months ago: Human nature. Has nothing to do with what our parents did. Sin, according to the Christian dogma, is a conscious act, not something you were born with otherwise all babies born dead would go straight to Christian Hell, not to mention all those fertilized eggs that don't make it to fetus stage due to natural causes.

Human nature is predictable. I am human.
13 months ago: Six,

IF you knew your Bible, you would see that...

"...for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law." (Romans 5:13)

...sin is not counted where people don't know any better, like children. Though we have sin, we aren't accountable until we do know better... Jesus paid for all sin, and for the unknowing their sin is covered... however those who know better and don't want Christ or His payment for their sin, must bear the responsibility and it's consequences. Hell was made for the devil and his angels (angel means messenger); are we messengers for Christ or the devil?
13 months ago: "Human nature is predictable." -- SixHoldens

Why do you suppose that utlimately is?

Why is it that some choose to do good and others choose to do wrong?

Right and wrong. What really is right or wrong? Are there such things?

If so, where does that standard ultimately come from? Certainly not from an Intelligence greater than ours, right? Totally discounted and irrational.

Are at least some of these standards of reality, ethics and existence absolute or are they all subjective, situational and relative?

That's something pretty important to investigate and understand. Hmmm?
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13 months ago: I would like Truthbrary to respond, you may believe him.

Rom_5:12 Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned:

That includes you SIX.
13 months ago: Romans 5:12 Therefore - This refers to all the preceding discourse; from which the apostle infers what follows. He does not therefore properly make a digression, but returns to speak again of sin and of righteousness. As by one man - Adam; who is mentioned, and not Eve, as being the representative of mankind. Sin entered into the world - Actual sin, and its consequence, a sinful nature. And death - With all its attendants. It entered into the world when it entered into being; for till then it did not exist. By sin - Therefore it could not enter before sin. Even so - Namely, by one man. In that - So the word is used also, 2Co_5:4. All sinned - In Adam. These words assign the reason why death came upon all men; infants themselves not excepted, in that all sinned.
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13 months ago: You say Eve was made from Adam's rib. The bible says so. But it also says that she was not. There are TWO creation stories in Genesis. Ne version says man was created before animals; the other says animals were created first.

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image. Genesis 1:25-27

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. Genesis 2:18-19

One version says that Adam and Eve were created TOGETHER; the other says that Adam was created first.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Genesis 2:18-22

Your bible is filled with contradictions. How can it be the infallible word of God?
13 months ago: RD,

There are many new versions of the Bible, yet for the most part they agree. As to the internal differences between Chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis you should understand the style in which it was written, before you make your final judgement... Read the full article on the history of the King James Version translation on some particular verses....

"The claim goes that there are two creation accounts: Genesis 1 and 2 give different accounts. In chapter 1, man and woman are created at the same time after the creation of the animals. In chapter 2, the animals are created after people.......Tyndale and the NIV are correct on this verse because the verb in the sentence can be translated as pluperfect rather than perfect. The pluperfect tense can be considered as the past of the past—that is to say, in a narration set in the past, the event to which the narration refers is already further in the past. Once the pluperfect is taken into account, the perceived contradiction completely disappears."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...
13 months ago: The good thing about the ancient texts of the Bible is we still have it today, and it can be checked against our modern translations to see if the rendering is accurate. The Old Testament Masoretic text's accuracy is undisputed... while there are over 20,000 New Testament manuscripts that can be accessed... internal discrepancies are relatively nominal and don't effect related story content.

The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Masoretic Text
http://bible.org/article/dead-sea-scroll...
13 months ago: Good link TB. I have been to the cave, or looked at it from the other side.

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