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Obama Seeks Harsher Iran Sanctions

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President Sarkozy and President Obama
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"Strong countries and strong presidents talk to their adversaries. That's what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That's what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That's what Nixon did with Mao. I mean think about it. Iran, Cuba, Venezuela – these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying we're going to wipe you off the planet."

Barrack Obama, May 18, 2008

Despite their (Iran's) posturing that their nuclear power is only for, um, for civilian use, that they, uh, continue to pursue a course that would lead to weaponization, and that is not acceptable, to the international community, not just to the United States....The next step is sanctions...

Barack Obama, March 30, 2010


French President Sarkozy and United States President Obama met in Washington to discuss recent world affairs, including France's role in Afghanistan, The new $35 billion refueling tanker, and Sarkozy's agreement with Obama in condemning Israel's recent settlement activity in Jerusalem.

One of the main topics of discussion was Iran's nuclear program. For his part, Sarkozy told reporters, "Iran cannot continue its mad race" toward acquiring nuclear weapons. The time has come to take decisions,"

President Barack Obama declared Tuesday he hopes to have international sanctions against Iran in place "within weeks," not months, because of its continuing nuclear program. He acknowledged he still lacks full support at the United Nations.

"Do we have unanimity in the international community? Not yet," Obama said. "And that's something that we have to work on. We think that we are in a much stronger position to get robust sanctions now than we were a year ago prior to us initiating our strategy. But it's still difficult, partly because, let's be honest, Iran is a oil producer, and there are a lot of countries around the world that, regardless of Iran's offenses, are thinking that their commercial interests are more important to them than these long-term, geopolitical interests."

According to Obama, he and Sarkozy are "inseparable" in their thinking concerning Iran. So far, Russia and China, two of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, have expressed reservations concerning new sanctions, as have several of the rotating members. Of the dissenters, only Russia and China can actually veto any resolution concerning international Sanctions.

Obama also said, "the door remains open if the Iranians choose to walk though it," but indicated that his patience with Iran has all but run out. "My hope is that we are going to get this done this spring. So I'm not interested in waiting months for a sanctions regime to be in place. I'm interested in seeing that regime in place in weeks....We are confident right now that the international community is unified around, uh, Iran's "misbehavior" in this area. How China operates at the security council as we pursue sanctions is something that we are gonna have to see."

He went on to express his optimism that Russia has adopted an attitude of agreement with the Security Council, stating that the Russians have clearly seen that Iran is not serious about solving the nuclear arms dispute between Iran and the international community.


Watch the first video in the list. Beck doesn't have a thing on this schmuck.

The second video is Obama's unexpected press conference on the sanctions.
UPDATE - 22 months ago

I just ran across this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bpHjQpmz...
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markbyrn
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22 months ago: I wonder if Obama will beat Bush in the flip flop category?

Here's more than 50 documented Bush flip flops:

http://www.50bushflipflops.com/Introduct...
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markbyrn
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22 months ago: Actually here's a site with 172 Bush Flip Flops

http://flipflops.compassiongate.com/

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22 months ago: Well like I said, even so, at the rate Obama is piling them up, he'll have that in half the time it took Bush. He better stick with it though, because that's all the time he has.
markbyrn
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22 months ago: It doesn't matter to me if Obama has more or less; it's only matters that I remind the hard core partisans (esp those who claim religious moral superiority) that they live in glass houses every time they throw a stone.

I've made it clear that I don't agree with Obama on a few substantive issues, but the only time I could agree entirely with any President would be if I was the President or if I was a partisan stooge.

Nor do I think is a flip flop is always a bad thing - it may show a ray of pragmatism.
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22 months ago: I'm not pro-Bush, so if you were directing it at me, you were wasting your time. I am, however, very anti-Obama. So we agree, at least in part. As for the moral religious superiority, I have never claimed that I was superior to anyone because of my beliefs, as I am a sinner and just as stained as anyone.

And I'm glad you can give Bush the benefit of the doubt on his flip-flops. Maybe he was just very very pragmatic. Ya think?
markbyrn
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22 months ago: ...And I'm glad you can give Bush the benefit of the doubt on his flip-flops. Maybe he was just very very pragmatic. Ya think?...

Certainly, right after you give give Obama the benefit of the doubt on his flip-flops :)

...I'm not pro-Bush,..I am, however, very anti-Obama...

I'm not pro-Obama...I was however very anti-Bush
scotmanster
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22 months ago: Mark's whole world centers on is if your religious then you must have been for Bush and anything that Obama does is Bush's fault. We really do get your anti-Bush Mark but can I please remind you that he is no longer president?

OOTB I think the sanctions will have a very bad impact. Meaning it will only effect the citizens something the Iran Government could careless about.
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22 months ago: I can give Obama credit where credit is due. He basically said that it's ok to lie to get where you want to be. So maybe his flip flops are just reversals of the lies he told earlier. Just like any other politician.
markbyrn
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22 months ago: I wonder if Obama will beat Bush in the flip flop category?

Here's more than 50 documented Bush flip flops:

http://www.50bushflipflops.com/Introduct...
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22 months ago: Yep, we have a winner, and so early in his term, too.

Obama's on top with a score of 57, and not even two years into his term.

http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/a...
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22 months ago: So do you think sanctioning Iran will have an outcome any different than the Iraq sanctions?
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: ...So do you think sanctioning Iran will have an outcome any different than the Iraq sanctions?...

No because like Iraq, the sanctions won't be uniformly applied.
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22 months ago: On Aug. 25, 1988 -- five days after the Iran-Iraq War ended -- Iraq attacked 48 Kurdish villages more than 100 miles from Iran. Within days, the US Senate passed legislation, sponsored by Claiborne Pell, Democrat of Rhode Island, to end US financial support for Hussein and to impose trade sanctions. To enhance the prospects that Reagan would sign his legislation, Pell sent me to Eastern Turkey to interview Kurdish survivors who had fled across the border. As it turned out, the Reagan administration agreed that Iraq had gassed the Kurds, but strongly opposed sanctions, or even cutting off financial assistance. Colin Powell, then the national security adviser, coordinated the Reagan administration's opposition.

The Pell bill died at the end of the congressional session in 1988, in spite of heroic efforts by Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts to force it through by holding up a raft of administration nominations.

The next year, President George H.W. Bush's administration actually doubled US financial credits for Iraq. A week before Hussein invaded Kuwait, the administration vociferously opposed legislation that would have conditioned US assistance to Iraq on a commitment not to use chemical weapons and to stop the genocide against the Kurds. At the time, Dick Cheney, now vice president, was secretary of defense and a statutory member of the National Security Council that reviewed Iraq policy. By all accounts, he supported the administration's appeasement policy.
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22 months ago: sorry, here's the link

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editori...
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: ...five days after the Iran-Iraq War ended -- Iraq attacked 48 Kurdish villages more than 100 miles from Iran...

Let's not forget what proceeded that - we were supporting Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran to the tune of several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.

http://tinyurl.com/qb88ql

Rumsfeld and Hussein chummy: http://tinyurl.com/yhbc6xo
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22 months ago: AMY GOODMAN: President Clinton, UN figures show that up to 5,000 children a month die in Iraq because of the sanctions against Iraq.

PRESIDENT CLINTON: (Overlap) That's not true. That's not true. And that's not what they show. Let me just tell you something. Before the sanctions, the year before the Gulf War, you said this ... how much money did Iraq earn from oil? Answer - $16 billion. How much money did Iraq earn last year from oil? How much money did they get, cash on the barrel head, to Saddam Hussein? Answer - $19 billion that he can use exclusively for food, for medicine, to develop his country. He's got more money now, $3 billion a year more than he had nine years ago.

If any child is without food or medicine or a roof over his or her head in Iraq, it's because he is claiming the sanctions are doing it and sticking it to his own children. We have worked like crazy to make sure that the embargo only applies to his ability to reconstitute his weapon system and his military statement. This is a guy who butchered the children of his own country, who were Kurds, who were Shi'ites.

He used chemical weapons on his own people, and he is now lying to the world and claiming the mean old United States is killing his children. He has more money today than he did before the embargo, and if they're hungry or they are not getting medicine, it is his own fault.

AMY GOODMAN: The past two UN heads of the program in Iraq have quit, calling the US policy ... US/UN policy, genocidal. What is your response to that?

PRESIDENT CLINTON: They're wrong! They think that we should reward ... Saddam Hussein says, I'm going to starve my kids unless you let me buy nuclear weapons, chemical weapons and biological weapons. If you let me do everything I want to do so I can get in a position to kill and intimidate people again, then I will stop starving my kids. And so we are supposed to assume responsibility for his misconduct. That's just not right! I know they ... you know, the truth is a lot of these people want to start doing business with Saddam Hussein again because they want his money.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/co...
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22 months ago: In the above paragraph, Slick Willie is talking about the $19 billion Iraq earned from its oil sales like it was an some astronomical figure, and Saddam was holding out on his people. How many people are there in Iraq? 24 million people. That's a whopping $791.66 per person, per YEAR!!

That's hardly enough to feed and hose a person, not even mentioning hospitals and schools.
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22 months ago: Well, maybe you could hose someone for that amount, but you couldn't house them.
scotmanster
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22 months ago: Yea would have to look at the sanctions they had on Iraq back then to make a call on it. If they at all cut into jobs like when they put the whole Iraq army out of commission, even though we could have trained that standing army instead of putting them all out of work which in turn created a irreconcilable division between the Iraq citizens and our troops on the ground. To build a new army from the ground up which made absolutely no sense but just prolonged the Iraq War that much longer. But if the sanctions were anything like how the war was executed then I can almost guarantee the sanctions were fubar.
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