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Norway may ban Scientology sales method

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Norway is considering prosecuting some Scientology practices. The Ministry of Health and Care Services said that the use of the "OCA" personality test in sales may constitute fraud as well as being part of a pattern of medical malpractice. State Secretary Rigmor Aasrud said that it might be easier to prosecute the medical malpractice than to bring a general fraud prosecution against the organization. Aasrud did not allude to any new legislation, but referred to existing laws which the local Scientology foundation may be breaking in their current practice.

The statement came after three undercover journalists took the test. Scientology staff said they should buy a course to solve psychological issues. One was advised to avoid conventional medical care; another was told that a course was the only thing which could help her, unless she wanted to start taking "chemicals". A Scientology spokesman blamed individual staff and disclaimed any responsibility on the part of the Scientology foundation. The online edition of the newspaper Verdens Gang posted hidden recordings of the sales sessions. Sales activity is called "regging" in Scientology, and is based on teaching of "hard sell" techniques.

The test has been notorious in Norway since the Norwegian Kaja Bordevich Ballo committed suicide on the same evening she received negative results on the Scientology personality test and was subjected to "hard sell" in a Scientology center in Nice, France in 2008. Her father Olav Gunnar Ballo, a medical doctor and member of the Norwegian parliament, wrote a book about her life which was published in April 2009. French authorities decided not to press charges in the Ballo case, although Scientology executive Jean-Jacques Mazier was convicted of manslaughter for the suicide of Patrice Vic in Lyon in 1996.

Olav Gunnar Ballo has studied the personality test and the hidden recordings from the undercover journalists, and characterized the use of the test as horrible. In the Norwegian press, he has asked if some practices of Scientology might be illegal due to the harm they cause to people. He also pointed out that one cannot punish statements by Scientologists which are just controversial or even plainly false, as that is allowed under free speech, but that activities which harm people should be punished.

Experts from The National Centre for Suicide Research and Prevention (research fellow Anita Johanna Tørmoen and professor Lars Mehlum) criticized how the test was used in a sales setting and used as a pretext for making up unfounded assertions about the person; they would however not criticize the test itself. Ole Ingvald Iversen, an organizational psychologist in the Norwegian council for test certification (Sertifiseringsrådet for testbruk i Norge, STN), was however prepared to say that the test itself could be dangerous.

The Scientology personality test, called the "Oxford Capacity Test" is not certified, and has nothing to do with the University of Oxford, or any institution in Oxford. Scientology is not recognized as a religious community in Norway, but is registered as a non-profit foundation in the religious category.

Somewhat ironically, STN advises Det Norske Veritas (DNV) which both certifies personality tests in Norway and certifies the class compliance of the ship M/V Freewinds. The Freewinds is a Scientology owned ship where the highest training levels in Scientology are delivered. During an internal rebuild in 2008, the ship's owners failed to inform contractors about the presence of blue asbestos, exposing Polish workers from Nordica Engineering to the dangerous carcinogen, and triggering threats of lawsuits. Ship inspectors from the DNV noted some balancing and fire protection violations after the internal rebuild; the violations now appear to have been corrected. The asbestos danger has hopefully been properly abated now, but Scientologists who worked as volunteers on previous rebuilds should seek medical attention, especially if they could be observed hacking and chewing into a blue porous material.
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xenubarb
xenubarb
San Diego, CA
32 months ago: I've spoken to several people who took the Free Personality Test in southern California.

One said that Scientology saved her life. When I asked her to be more specific, she told me she'd taken the OCA, and her results were bad, she would commit suicide within three years if she didn't start taking courses.

I heard the same story from others, in San Diego and Hollywood, so it's apparently a pre-rehearsed patter. The two who didn't immediately sign up told them the f**k off. They knew it was a scam.

What kind of "church" tells trusting, naive people that they will commit suicide?

You can find out, because the Scientology organization appears to be abandoning its "free stress tests" in favor of the personality test recently. So go have you one.

Just remember, these people are no more experts on the mind than my duck, Juan. You cannot win, you will need courses before you self destruct. It might be amusing to record your session; amaze your friends and compare it with others! You know damn good and well these sleazy, conning zombies of L. Ron Hubbard's are going to say anything to get your butt into the door of their org.
32 months ago: Let me be sure I understand this. A written "test" where you make your best multiple choice "guess" is "medical malpractice". So if my guesses are actually correct, would that be Medical Practice?
32 months ago: Wrong, Terryeo. The problems with the test is that the test itself has not been validated or scientifically reviewed and that it is used to sell courses by salespeople, without any training in medicine, psychology or ethics.

It's not the test subjects who are doing something wrong - it's the Scientology staff. Who ever heard of the patient himself being accused of medical malpractice?
xenubarb
xenubarb
San Diego, CA
32 months ago: It's a bit amusing that cult shill Terryeo put quotation marks around "test."

Yes, it's a "test." It doesn't do anything but allow the person administering the test to convince the suckers that
a) they're messed up
b) Scientology can sell you a course for that.

The way it's presented demands that the mark assume the Scientologist actually knows something about mind and personality. That right there is fraud; the only thing Scientologists "know" about the mind comes from a drug-addled science fiction hack who bought a degree from a diploma mill.

"Test," indeed. For once, the Scientologist inadvertently speaks the truth.
32 months ago: Quote: "Scientologists who worked as volunteers on previous rebuilds should seek medical attention, especially if they could be observed hacking and chewing into a blue porous material."

I suspect this is another bit of flimflamary form someone who likes a good joke.

As for the Scientologist being able to determine if someone is going to commit suicide in a predetermined time period by taking a test, well, that really, really beyond belief. I'm dumb, but not that dumb.
32 months ago: " suspect this is another bit of flimflamary form someone who likes a good joke."

An architect working on the first rebuild in the mid 80's actually saw Scientology construction volunteers picking up asbestos and biting on it for a laugh. And the workers were just using simple dust masks which would not help at all. (The asbestos particles are so tiny that you need a HEPA filter or something like that.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6XZGSR_-E

"As for the Scientologist being able to determine if someone is going to commit suicide in a predetermined time period by taking a test, well, that really, really beyond belief. I'm dumb, but not that dumb."

They can not, I agree, because they are totally untrained in mental health, and that's the point, they should NOT be telling people that they're useless and hopeless becuase they don't understand the consequences of doing something like that. The person who "caved in" Kaja, or "found her ruin" as Scientology calls it, was just an untrained saleswoman who tried to make her cry and buy a book and some courses.

There might be people who says that they wanted Kaja to actually kill herself for getting back on her father for not liking Narconon, but that is crazy conspiracy nuttery. No, they would have unwittingly pushed her to her death no matter who she were because they're just that clueless and going by L. Ron Hubbard's failed playbook.
xenubarb
xenubarb
San Diego, CA
32 months ago: The asbestos issue on the Freewinds is a serious one. The organization knew about this many years before it became public, and they still continued to use the ship as their platform to deliver Scientology's advanced courses. And, of course, they charged their followers tens of thousands of dollars for this service. It is hard to believe that an organization claiming to be a religion would display such utter disregard for their people's well-being; blue asbestos exposure is a death sentence. The Freewinds was heavily laden with it, as its former life as a ferry boat for cars made fire-proofing a serious concern.

You can read Lawrence Woodcraft's affidavit here:
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/LawrenceWoodcraftAsbestos.htm

As the architect who first discovered the presence of asbestos, his expertise lends weight to the issue.
The asbestos was discovered in 1987. Scientology continued to offer cruises on the ship for ANOTHER TEN YEARS before the subject came to light again in 2008.

In that ten years, Scientology officials exposed hundreds of members to this dangerous substance. They also knowingly exposed work crews from Poland, Cuba and their own ranks.

It is curious that a disproportionate number of upper-level Scientologists die of lung cancer. Is it probable that there's a link to asbestos exposure? It's hard to say, because symptoms may not develop for 30 years. Once they do, it is a death sentence.

I know it sounds like "flimflammary." It does sound crazy, I agree. But sadly, it is all too true, and well-documented.

If you're interested, google 'Scientology Freewinds asbestos 2008' to learn more about the "rediscovery" of blue asbestos on the Scientology flagship.
32 months ago: For the sake of those who sail on that tub I hope they have at least covered the asbestos with a sealer, which is what it had on it when new to keep it in place and functional. Once properly sealed it is not possible to become airborne and then enhaled to damage the lungs.

Not saying they are doing it right nor that they are not endangering those who board the ship, just that asbestos danger is controlable it proper steps are taken, there are areas in buildings where it has not been removed all over the world, it has been contained in a proper seal to prevent it from becomeing airborne (or at least someone has signed off that it has).

As for the morons seen eating the stuff and wearing just blue surgical masks, they can plan their early demise in advance while their heirs sue the crap out of another group of religious fanatics.

Thanks for the followups.
32 months ago: xenubarb, don't you mean more than 20 years? (1987 to 2008)

I don't know what kinds of abatement measures they tried to do in the interim, but even if properly sealed between work, those volunteers and also paid workers who were there during rebuilding are certainly at risk. If it was improperly sealed as well, that puts the passengers at risk.
xenubarb
xenubarb
San Diego, CA
32 months ago: The ship was in drydock for a good portion of 2008. The Scientology organization, amusingly, named a Florida hotel as the Freewinds Land Base or some such, and kept on selling "cruises."

It's likely that the asbestos issue has been resolved, as it really was a pretty high profile story at the time. Not only was it present in the bulkheads, but it was also used to insulate pipes in the ventilation system! Being a steel hull, the ship will flex when underway. Each time, tiny particles of asbestos would probably break loose from the batting wrapped around the pipes and float into the air ducts.

When the Freewinds was built, asbestos was commonly used as insulation and fire-proofing. We know better now!

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