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Norway Bombing: 'Fundamentalist Christian' Breivik

Posted 22 months ago|33 comments|896 views
...a Media tragedy to match...
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"Norwegian police have arrested a man Saturday, whom they describe as a "right-wing fundamentalist Christian," in connection with the youth camp massacre on Friday that left 85 people dead. He has, however, in recent years expressed his disgust at the modern Protestant Church, which he was baptized into at the age of 15."
http://www.christianpost.com/news/norway...%29

There you have it... all "right-wing fundamentalist Christians" are going to blow up your neighborhood and murder your youth! Give me a break! All it takes now to be a "Fundamentalist Christian" is to own an automatic weapon and a hand gun?! What does anything in Anders Behring Breivik's life have remotely anything to do with being a Christian... let alone fundamental?

The "left-wing" media seems to have the public pegged as morons who can't tell the difference... or it reveals their hatred for the "right' so bad that they are sitting on the edge of their seat... waiting for someone to blow something up, who has remote ties to religion and none to Christ. Anyone can call themselves a "christian" ...even Barack Hussein Obama said he was a "christian" ...if he would have blown up a few more countries, maybe he too would have been called "fundamental!"

Why didn't the Headline read... "Left-Wing Anders Behring Breivik, World of Warcraft Freemason on Murderous Rampage Kills 92 in Norway" ...there is actually more evidence for a headline like that, by his actions, than something to do with the tenants of Christianity. But the Media can't print truth like that... the "NEWS" must be "spun" in particular fashion for "Spiders" who own it... and the web.

"(Anders) ...reportedly played the World of Warcraft computer game and previously served in the Norwegian army...he listed his interests as body building, hunting, freemasonry"
http://www.christianpost.com/news/oslo-b...%29

Check this out... according to Wikipedia, Norway is a Christian country, and "Citizens born in Norway to one or two Norwegian parents are automatically added to the list of Protestant Christians in Norway, and are required to "sign out" of the church" ...so Norway in it's majority could fit the profile of this murderous psycho!

"Members technically have to be baptised, whereas "tilhørige" are to be taken out of the books if not baptised by the age of 18. Norwegian citizens' tax funds are given to the Protestant Church until one registers as a member of another religious group, or as a member of the Humanist association."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianit...

Anders Behring Breivik was actually a member of... "The Progress Party (Bokmål: Fremskrittspartiet, Nynorsk: Framstegspartiet, FrP) is a conservative LIBERAL political party in Norway. It is currently the second-largest party in Parliament, with 41 seats." SO according to the Leftist Media, as the producer in the featured video puts it... "If you are not a FLAMING Left-Wing progressive... you are a right-wing fundamental finatic!"

Being a true Christian used to mean something, and it is a term very abused. It used to stand for integrity, honesty and commitment... now the term is spun to mean anything for a political advantage, or to get the focus off the true roots of immorality and global injustice. I can only pray, that the next time I see "FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN" associated with anything, it would be...

"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." (James 1:27)

...that whole personal murderous vendetta stuff, is from a different book entirely than the New Testament of the Bible! IF you want to know further about what it means to be a "fundamentalist" check the following links...

What Is A Christian Fundamentalist? (NORWAY SHOOTER?)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IB4jOnXf...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi3yn33s3...

Now that it is demonstrated that Breivik is the furthest thing from being Christian, it is a shame that such verbal dishonesty is vomited on the public! But, since Christianity has become a legal "punching-bag" for the media... the demonizing of a passive faith will continue. Makes you wonder about other so-called "fundamentalist Christians" that have been demonized and massacred in the past...
does anyone remember Waco?
UPDATE - 22 months ago
O'Reilly Blasts Media for Branding Norwegian Terror
Suspect a 'Christian Extremist'

"...we can find no evidence, none, that this killer practiced Christianity in any way.
So why is the angle being played up? Two reasons: First, the liberal media wants to make an equivalency between the actions of Breivik and the Oklahoma City bomber Tim McVeigh and al Qaeda. The left wants you to believe that fundamentalists Christians are a threat just like crazy jihadists are.
In fact, in the "New York Times" today an analysis piece says that some believe we have overreacted to the Muslim threat in the world. Of course, that's absurd. Jihadists have killed tens of thousands of people all over the world. The Taliban, Iran and elements in Pakistan use governmental power to support terrorism by Muslims. But the left-wing press wants to compare nuts like Breivik and McVeigh to state-sponsored terrorism and worldwide jihad.
Again, dishonest and insane.
The second reason the liberal media is pushing the Christian angle is they don't like Christians very much because we are too judgmental. Many Christians oppose abortion. Gay marriage and legalized narcotics, secular left causes. The media understands the opposition is often based on religion. So they want to diminish Christianity and highlighting so-called Christian-based terror is a way to do that."
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/20...%29
UPDATE - 14 months ago
"Don't Waste Your Life" by John Piper
http://dwynrhh6bluza.cloudfront.net/reso...
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22 months ago: There seems to be no reason to presume that Breivik is, as you say, Truthbrary, a fundamentalist Christian.

Journalists just made that up, from habit, as far as I can tell. Murderer + Christian = fundamentalist, in their view. The standards of reporting covering this massacre have been poor and simplistic, and therefore not as helpful as they could be.

According to Breivik's Youtube video manifesto, he believes that reason is superior to the literal text of the Bible. That means he is not a fundamentalist.

His version of "cultural Christianity" seems to encompass even "atheist Christians". By that I think he means people who do not believe in the supernatural nature of Christ, but follow His teachings.

You can't get away from the fact that Breivik is a murderous extremist. However, Breivik's ideology is being portrayed as racially based, or neo-nazi. As far as I can tell from his Youtube video, he has steered clear of such views. He admires the resistance against the Nazis and sees Judaism as an integral part of Europe. He hasn't made any claims to racial superiority or inferiority. His motivation seems to have been to "protect" the "Christian cultural values" of Europe, from having too much tolerance for what he sees as the increasingly demographically powerful and intolerant marxist and islamic ideology and values. His view seems to be that Islam is becomming increasingly prevalent in Europe and has never been compatible with the enlightened cultural values of Europe.

Norway is one of the least religious countries in the world. This does not mean that it is without strong values. I see that there are more Pakistanis in Norway than there are Germans. Pakistan is a state with a powerful state religion of Islam. People are killed for transgressing the dictates of the Koran, there. I can imagine how a Muslim Pakistani in Norway might mistake the relative non-religion of Norway for a deplorable lack of values, see a vacuum to be filled.
22 months ago: I should also say, I wouldn't necessarily take anything Breivik said on face value. I presume if he is willing to kill people he is willing to lie.
22 months ago: Thanks Stan,

I appreciate your comments, and this last one nails it nicely.
22 months ago: Belonging to one party or the other, doesn't necessarily make you their spokesman! Left or Right, ones actions reveal what one truly believes and stands-for. My Dad is a dyed-in-the-wool Liberal... however, it is because his wife (my mom) was an invalid for almost 30 years. The "Conservatives" never presented a plan that was a comfort to a man who had that kind of weight on his shoulders... I never faulted him a bit for his political leanings. A man that can do that for someone has my respect, either side of the political fence!
22 months ago: My respect, too.
22 months ago: This interests me. what do you mean when you say "the demonizing of a passive faith will continue." I mean what is passive faith and how has it been demonized aside from this particular story.

I agree that religious affiliation holds way too much importance when it comes to terrorism. I think it fuels the jihadist movement when we call them Islamic extremists. They are criminals. No matter which invisible man they believe in.
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22 months ago: Slim,

Here is a few examples of the demonizing of Christianity...

The Media and Hollywood War Against Christianity
http://lumelonline.org/blog/blog1.php/20...

Is CNN Documentary on Religion Example of Anti-Christian Bias?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXpJgWxs...

Is being Christian a crime? (kind of funny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5zo3GibM...

22 months ago: Slim,
I said "the demonizing of a passive faith will continue" ...because it is not only politically correct, but expected by the media to blame Christianity... because of it's own leftest atheistic heart. Jesus Christ is an all-American "whipping boy" ...check out the definition, and you will see the accuracy of the usage. Tagging "fundamentalist" in association, just makes it more terroristic and salable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_bo...
22 months ago: Slim,

Biblical Christianity is passive, you know... "turn the other cheek".
22 months ago: Charlie says, "Those darn Christians again, huh?"
22 months ago: A decent religious person would not of carried out the murders that this monster has done.
There is only one religion that does this kind of thing and it will not win.
The press always "sex" it up by adding religion to the story it would not suprise me to find out this maniac is a muslim.
22 months ago: Yeah, yeah. Another "hard right conservative Christian". That now makes 2.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: Like the unibomber, Breivik has written extensively and has a manifesto explaining why he slaughtered all of those innocent kids. The shrinks will study his writings for years and we will learn a lot more than we want about this nut case.

He said on his facebook page that he was a Christian but not a very strong one, so I wouldn't consider him a fundamentalist Christian terrorist. I do think that race and Islamaphobia motivated him, as well as the the conservative paranoia of socialism.

Anders Behring Breivik told a Norwegian judge today that his bombing and shooting rampage that killed 93 people aimed to "save Norway and Western Europe from a Muslim takeover and "cultural Marxism."

He said that "two more cells" existed in his organization. He said that the Labor Party has failed the country and its people and that killing spree was the "price of their treason."

This type of insane reasoning where they justify slaughter to "Save" the country or the people from this or that, sounds like several of the radicals that have written in this site about "the coming revolution"

I don't see much difference between these nutcases and the Islamic Jihadists. They each slaughter innocent civilians for extreme ideological beliefs.
22 months ago: I Guess I just haven't noticed the media going out of its way to demonize the Christian faith. Usually when I hear about Christians I hear them demonizing someone or something else based on their collection of stories and beliefs in super heroes.

I do hear a lot of media stories demonizing the Islamic faith, but I figure **** em! If they want to earn the worlds respect and clean up their rep they can step away from their terrorist organizations and cast those malcontents from their homes and churches.

Christianity is neither passive or even pacifistic. They are evangelistic and all to ready to condemn anyone who does not believe (to the letter the way that their certain brand of church believes) into the fiery pits of hell. Christians have shown themselves ready to punish, hurt maim and even kill unbelievers, all in gods name amen. Hardly what I would call pacifistic.

Anders Behring Breivik is a nut case. Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, doesn't matter. His Mania was shaped by his xenophobia and fear. His hatred was probably strengthened by the same factors that are playing out in our southwestern states right now. Just because he had the same collection of stories as you and your friends shouldn't be dwelt upon by the media as this was certainly not a divine act.
22 months ago: Slim,

Where in the teachings of Jesus does it promote hatred? IF those who are followers of Jesus neither teach or practice murderous hatred.... why blame the faith of Christianity. If a faith calls someone to a change of heart and lifestyle... this is not hatred it is challenging at best. IF one is not in agreement with said teachings of a faith... simply don't believe... but be honest enough not to blame it for what people do in contravention to it.
22 months ago: "Christians have shown themselves ready to punish, hurt maim and even kill unbelievers, all in gods name amen. Hardly what I would call pacifistic. "

Slim - What Christians are you speaking of?

Anyone can call themselves anything and do whatever they want. That doesn't make them what they claim to be.

You know them by there actions not their claims. Jesus has nowhere mandated physical harm to unbelievers. Get the record straight. I don't care what they call themselves, anyone who kills innocents or advocates that others do the same is not a true follower of Christ. They are LIARS. Period.
22 months ago: SOME people call themselves "Slim Pickens" !:]
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: I think Christianity was originally pacifistic and for the 1st 300 years they actually practiced pacifism, even refusing to defend themselves. Then it got fused with the Roman religions to become the official religion of Rome.

Even though Islam was born in war, the Koran preaches against harming innocents. It is not the religion that is the problem. It is the conservative extremists that think that violence against innocent civilians is an acceptable way to bring about change. It is the radicals that twist the teachings to exploit hatred and fear that we need to worry about.

All civilized nations need to work against the propagation of fear and hatred. That might mean shutting down all of hate radio and Fox News though. These propaganda outlets depend on keeping their listeners constantly aroused and angry. That is harmless to most, but it turns deadly when they legitimize and enable the armed nut cases.
22 months ago: Altruist,

You say... "the Koran preaches against harming innocents" ...according to the Koran being an "unbeliever" makes them guilty...

"Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers...."
http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.htm...

...are you familiar with these and other verses?
22 months ago: Now, let us have a closer look at what the Koran says about the infidels:-

-Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
-Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
-When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
-Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
-Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
-The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
-Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
-The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
-Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies(22:19)
-Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
-The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
-Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
-Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur'an (8:12)
-Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)
http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/overw...
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: As I said Islam was born during a war with Christianity and these verses refer to that conflict.

Perhaps you should actually read the verses you are quoting. This gives some context which proves the opposite. http://invitation2learn.wordpress.com/20...

Now that people have had a chance to read Breivik's manifesto, that he was inspired by the American Christian nutcases, and wanted to start a Tea Party in Europe. He thought Robert Spencer should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize. Spencer who supported the Hutaree radical Christian militia plan to kill cops, was mentioned 50 times in the manifesto and was an inspiration.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
22 months ago: While people still think the crazy war books are the ultimate authority, the war against women and infidels continues.
22 months ago: Altruist,

I know that there are differing opinions as to the context of "kill the infidels" types of quotes from the Koran, however like all "holy-war" stuff one also has to consider historical context and who is presenting it or rewriting it. You present some links that are one, pro muslim... and two, tabloid sensasional... if you could present an objective source maybe we could get somewhere.

The following is an historical argument setting... for the said verses under scrutiny, and the motives behind them...


"Muhammad and the Treaty of Hudaybiyya: Abstract

During 628 A.D. Muhammad attempted to make a pilgrimage to the Kaba in Mecca. As he neared Mecca Meccan troops opposed him and forbid him to proceed to Mecca. However, the Meccans entered into negotiations with him. About ten miles outside of Mecca, by the spring of Hudaybiyya, Muhammad and the Meccans concluded a treaty known as the Treaty of Hudaybiyya. This treaty humiliated the Muslims and Muhammad. Later as he journeyed home, Muhammad told his followers that the affair at Hudaybiyya was in fact a "victory". As proof of the victory Muhammad promised his followers that they would have the "booty" of the Jewish settlement of Khaibar. A few weeks later Muhammad attacked and plundered Khaibar."
http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/...
22 months ago: Al - You are good people. However, when it comes to religious matters (regarding Christianity in particular) you spout off and generalize either without thinking, or without thinking you're going to get called on it. Some of the stuff you post in that regard, knowing your background, you should know better.

No Christian is being true to the values taught by Jesus or any part of the New Testament when they murder or go on some type of "holy war." You should know and acknowledge that. You should also know and acknowledge that the Crusades and the Inquisition fly in the face of what Christ directly instructed His followers to do.

Anyone who does not acknowledge that is either ignorant or a liar. I believe you are better than that.

I'm still waiting on those scriptures or at least an acknolwedgement that they are in fact nowhere to be found in the NT.
22 months ago: The New testament is not a war book in the sense of fighting humanity. It is a manifesto to destroy the works enemy of our souls. That enemy is unseen but his works are manifest. Spiritual and physical death, poverty, sickness and disease.

The enemy is already defeated but that defeat is to be enforced.

More wars and blooded have occurred due to secular belief systems than all the so-called holy wars combined. Just a look at the last century proves that.

Spiritually blind folks will also use religion and their so-called sacred scriptures to exploit, kill and oppress others as well.

All that being said, right is still right and wrong is wrong. Humankind with it's irrational, delusional, bigoted and selfish-centered nature still has a lot to figure out.
22 months ago: I cherry picked this quote for observation "More wars and blooded have occurred due to secular belief systems than all the so-called holy wars combined."

Perhaps by numerical terms however in percentages of world populations at the time perhaps not.

There were a lot of "Holy" wars. The Muslims currently wage "Holy" war on infidels in Iraq and Afghanistan and other places around the world. Hitler waged war on the Jewish populations of eastern Europe killing millions, The War for independence was basically fought for religious freedom, And then there are the Spanish inquisition, the Crusades, And a whole plethora of wars written about in biblical times.

Just something to mull over.
22 months ago: Slim,

If we are talking Hitler ...then I guess I concede that Darwinism is a religion; responsible for Hitler's attack on what he called "apes" ...also then linked would be the countless millions killed in unholy wars against the unborn by abortion. All this done with religious fervor in worship of self and sexuality.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: I agree with Slim there were a lot of Holy Wars and other atrocities done in the name of God including the systematic torture and death of of something like 8 million wise women as witches. I don't see much difference between the terrible things the Christians did in the past, and what the extreme Muslim Radicals are doing now. I hate the violence the intolerance and the suppression of women, done in the name of Allah, but I also realize that most Muslims are good peaceful people.

What caused all of those wars is not that the holy books instructed the faithful to kill the infidels. The Bible and the Torah have similar demands from god to stone the victims of rape and other outrageous behavior.

What caused the wars is religious intolerance of other religious beliefs. Crazy people like Osama Bin Laden, and Robert Spencer, are able to find passages in their favorite books to justify murdering innocent people.

Rational people ignore those passages in the Bible, the Torah, and the Koran. Irrational people take them as the word of god and the really crazy ones act as though god told them to kill those people.

Breivik considered himself a Christian warrior and felt that he had no choice but to kill innocent children to Save the country from liberals and Muslims.

The people of Norway are now blaming the law enforcement because there had been plenty of warning of the danger of fundamentalist ultraconservatives. I think we should be justified in fearing the same nutcases and the anti-government militias here.
22 months ago: Altruist,

Aren't you the one always calling people out for hypocrisy? Well seems you have changed your tune... IF this guy in total contravention to the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus Christ, murders people... you haply call him a Christian... where is your logic? What would you call a doubting Atheist? People's actions define what they believe... not merely their words. IF one calls himself an American and then turns around after immigrating, and sells the enemy national security secrets for the rest of his entire life... what is he? I know you have a hate for Christians, but don't let that fog your ability to reason.
22 months ago: "Breivik considered himself a Christian warrior"

Based on his actions, he obviously was not.

Atheists by the way seem to be the kings and queens of intolerance. The agnostics seem to be quite more comfortable in their ambiguity than the godless in their unreasonable state.
22 months ago: "Rational people ignore those passages in the Bible, the Torah, and the Koran. Irrational people take them as the word of god and the really crazy ones act as though god told them to kill those people."

Al - what scriptures in the New Testament can be used to justify the killing of other people? I bet you can't find even one. I challenge you.

If you want to jump on the Muslims and Jews, go ahead. There is enough bloodshed there to twist it into whatever one wants. Just leave the Christians out of it. Okay?

You can't find anywhere in the New Testament, in or out of context, where Christ has mandated his followers to kill anyone. Again, I challenge you to find even one scripture. I'll be waiting.
22 months ago: Good Point Huey!
Duh... I should have asked that a few months ago, with all Al's anti-Christian rhetoric.
22 months ago: The point is death is death. Secular wars are not better than religious wars or vice versa. It sick to try and say that the wars done in the name of secular humanism or dialectical materialism are somehow not as atrocious as other wars religious or otherwise. Or that those folks were rational in their decisions to annihilate their brothers as well as innocent women and children.

You can play with percentages, but one life equals one life. Period.

Far more people have been slaughtered in secular wars whether certain folks want to admit it or not. The numbers don't lie. We are talking about the death of in many cases millions of innocent people and that my friends cannot be rationalized.

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