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No gay or non Christian websites in Indianapolis schools.

Posted 22 months ago|20 comments|1,201 views
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RLwoods
Victorville, CA
The schools of Indiana are getting a little more open about their religious views. They are now banning students from accessing websites that go against the Christian religion. Not all, this limit seems to exclude Judaism and Islam. So basically as long it's the god of Abraham then it's acceptable. However, if you happen to search for other material such as atheism or Wicca, then as a student in a public school, you are screwed.

According to the list of blocked content, the sites include...
"Sites that promote and provide information on religions such as Wicca, Witchcraft or Satanism. Occult Practices, atheistic views, voodoo rituals or other forms of mysticism are represented here. Includes sites that endorse or offer methods, means of instruction, or either resources to affect or influence real events through the use of spells, incantations, curses, and magic powers. This category includes sites which discuss or deal with paranormal or unexplained events."

They add...
"sites that advocate, depict hostility or aggression toward, or denigrate an individual or group on the basis of race, religion, gender, nationality, ethnic origin, or other involuntary characteristics."

But then they add...
"cater to one's one's sexual orientation or gender identity including, but not limited to, lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, and transgender sites"

These are the list of things that simply should not be thought about. These are the menaces to society that destroys the fabric of our civilization.
They block this content why? What is the harm here? They already block social networking and gaming sites, they already limit anything the kids can do but research, As this is listed in the "exceptions" list.

So what content are they really blocking? Sin. That is what it comes down to. If you happen to be a Gay Wiccan who talks about unexplained events or alternative theories then I sincerely hope that children in indianapollis are not your intended audience.

The rest of their article on blocked content really make sense from a school, however this is a bit much. This is clearly a case of religious discrimination. They even on their own memo mention these rules as "Alternative Spirituality/belief" Quite blatantly saying that Christianity is the primary everything else is the Alternative.

The idea is to get students to reach out into the world and explore while researching the topics they were assigned. They are expected to add depth and add informative statements on the topics they are researching.

This strikes to the very heart of control of the flow of information. You can rule out the schools ever talking about alternative religions, you can rule out any research on sexual information or sex Ed.

I don't mind if a school system says no on religion, I don't think it should be there, but to specifically block only certain types of religion. This is not a good idea. It is a bad idea simply because I cannot see how prayer to the almighty does not fall into...

" sites that endorse or offer methods, means of instruction, or other resources to affect or influence real events through the use of spells, incantations, curses, and magic powers."

When you can't get the general population to buy into your fairy tales, you attack the next generation. When they start hearing about other ways, plug their ears. When they start thinking and saying what they think you gag them, and then tell them to pray that god will help them.

So when Indianapolis raises the next generation of gay hating, self loathing
Christian kids, and they grow up to resent you when the realize that they are gay and that its normal and that they don't believe in magical zombies. Don't be surprised that this idea did more harm than good.

for the list of blocked content,(caution: slow loading PDF)
http://ffrf.org/uploads/news/ipspolicy.p...

For links to other articles I have written
http://rlwoodsiii.blogspot.com/
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22 months ago: Is this restriction only on government owned equipment? Funded by tax dollars? Do they restrict privately owned computers? How could they without crossing the wiretap laws? Since they own the computers and loan them with restriction they can actually see how their computers are being used without crossing the wiretap laws. Don't want a tap? buy your own computer and pay for your own broadband.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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22 months ago: They also restrict any sites related to guns, knives, bow and arrow,(violence) drug culture, skinheads, parked websites, proxy servers, tons of educational material that gets thrown in a category because of key words and phrases within the content.


What I thought was funny was that in Mississippi the filtering software would not let you look at any page dedicating to selling or discussing any kind of firearm, even bb guns were banned as "violence".

However, a blog known as Big Gay Al's Big Gay (Gun) Blog was allowed with no restrictions. Go figger.
Out Of The Box
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22 months ago: The State Hospital for the Mentally Retarded in Ellisville Ms. began screening porn for its adult residents a few years ago. Their reasoning: everyone has a right to their own sexuality. Never mind that these residents will never have the mentality of an eight year old.

Do you really want your kid exposed to the agenda of the gay movement, surreptitiously, while your child is in an environment totally out of your control and outside your sphere of influence?

I'll be damned if mine will ever be.
22 months ago: Sorry to hear that your child is locked up in a gilded cage with no access to the outside world or any media except that approved by you. They will grow up with the mentality of a Skinhead or other group that doesn't believe that we all are equal and have a right to exist.

You have to let them see, read, and understand what is going on around them with very, very little censorship, your very words indicate that you believe that only you know best and that their ability to comprehend is flawed. They will be damaged goods when they finally escape your overbearing control, if they ever can.

And yes, I want my children exposed to the world about them, that way they will be able to understand and deal with all that comes their way instead of running back to me for each and every little decision.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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22 months ago: Garbage in, garbage out.

It's good that you would let your children watch "Faces of Death", so they could become calloused to the misfortune of others at an early age, and you let them watch horror/slasher movies so they can develop phobias that will last them a lifetime.
And I'm sure you let them watch people engage in promiscuous behavior, and let them be exposed to the carryings on of the swinger lifestyle. That's great! After all, 20 consenting adults gathering together to have sex is a part of life that shouldn't be banned from a young child's mind.
And don't forget to allow bestiality, pedophilia, necrophilia, sadism and masochism. You wouldn't want them to grow up warped from not getting a full dose of these either.

When it comes to my kids, you are right. Only I know best what is good for them, and only I make the decision when they are ready to handle a particular subject. All my children were different. My oldest daughter wasn't ready to learn about procreation until she was 11. When she finally convinced me to tell her, she stopped me halfway through, because she decided she really didn't want to know yet. Now she's 19, still a virgin, and saving herself for marriage. She won't have the heartache and guilt of having a child out of wedlock, and won't have the emotional problems that the vast majority of American girls experience.

My youngest (7 years old) daughter is different. I just watched Bruce Almighty with her for the tenth time. She knows the words by heart, but still asked me five hundred questions about what was going on. She is extremely bright, but just doesn't have the life experience to correctly interpret complex interaction in all situations.

She makes it easy for me, though. Even in casual conversation, she is constantly asking me, "What does this word mean?" or "What does it mean when people say that?" Words and phrases that I would think are universally understood, a 7yo finds as foreign as Greek.

My sons are both very responsible young men, the oldest 24, the youngest 11. Never been in trouble, my oldest living his own life with his only sweetheart, both laying the foundations for a happy productive life. He doesn't have to come running to me with every little decision, because I taught him what was right and allowed him to think for himself. I also didn't expose him to things that his young mind was not ready for. He's one of the most well rounded people I know, he has gay friends, both male and female. He dabbled with the idea of socialism, communism, when he was first out on his own, and exposed to his new friends in college, but soon came to realize what a crock of dung it all is.

Your point of letting them read, see, and understand with very little censorship I find very irresponsible. A child is incapable of understanding and properly dealing with that with which they have no experience. And only a parent knows when they are ready.
22 months ago: Very little censorship does not mean lack of control and age appropriate material.

None of my children are out commiting crimes, non are locked up in nut houses and none are ill-informed about the ways of mankind. They are very well rounded individuals, two teach school, one manages a warehouse and the last is still in college.

Maybe we aught to introduce your daughter and my youngest, he is a virgin too (well I suspect that he is, not my business anymore) and I've always told him to date older girls and since she is 19 and he 18, she'll qualify.
22 months ago: Forgot to add, the State probably put the porn block in to keep it's employees from spending their days doing nothing but watching it and then acting it out with the patients who may or may not know what is going on.
Out Of The Box
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22 months ago: You misunderstood. By "screening", I meant they were showing the clients porn. Aftr all, by their reckoning, everyone has a right to his or her sexuality.
22 months ago: I would really be disturbed if they also handed out latex gloves and KY jelly during the "screenings". That would ruin the popcorn. Was the floor treated with a slip resistant finish? I have a good pressure washer with a water heater that can reach super-heat if needed. Will rent for cheap.
22 months ago: I suspect my thoughts on the reason for the block was more correct. They may have been showing the residents porn but it was the employees who were getting the "thrill" of free porn.

Personally I don't care for porn, nudity in a movie is not porn and has appropriate moments for its use.
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: Ideas and information is dangerous and knowledge is power, but I don't see how access to informational sites will turn anyone gay or make them change their religion.

This is similar to the censorship of the internet in China and Pakistan http://www.fastcompany.com/1663977/censo...

Most of the time efforts to block information to kids backfires, because then the kids are curious (or just plain rebellious) and will make it a point to get on the forbidden sites on their home computers.

On the other hand, having taught school I can see that some of the kids would spend most of their time at school surfing sex sites if that were allowed. Sites with violence and guns should also be filtered. There should be a zero tolerance of violence or guns in school after several incidents where kids have slaughtered their classmates.

22 months ago: Al, you started off rational and then went off the deep end.

Censoring one type of site is bad and then censoring one type of site is good. You contradict yourself.

Anyone who has a twisted desire to "blow away" their classmates, work colleagues, strangers on the street, etc., will not be stopped by censorship at school, work, the library or any other place so long as they can go home and type in the search words they are looking for and then proceed to the site of their choice. That goes for any kind of site or action.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
22 months ago: The kids are there to learn to read and write and do math, not to see two gays please each other. or two normals get it on.

If the parents want to let their own kids watch this, then it is their own fault and they are the blame.

I may not agree with all the list.

But remember the school is Federal funded and as such, the corporate little (non-sovereign kids) beings are under their control.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
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22 months ago: This is a difficult subject. Censorship in school. There are ways that it can be done without active filters but the cost is considerable since it involves a human monitoring the data stream that the students are accessing and then querying the student as to why they need that site's data. Kind of like a teacher walking around the room they are supposed to be in charge of and looking over their students shoulders...... Seems that is what they are supposed to be doing (having two daughters who are teachers does give me some insight as to what a teacher is supposed to do) instead of their nails or hob-nobbing with the cute math teacher next door...

All this school system has done is find a way to make it easier for the teacher to say "It's not my fault". They have not stopped anything except learning, and I do believe that that is their job, to facilitate learning by all available resources. It should be stopped and the person who thought it up, demoted.
CDukes
CDukes
Fort Polk, LA
22 months ago: I have no problem with a restriction on ALL religious sites... in case they figure that students should be working on school work and not browsing spirituality, or to keep the religion out of a public school....

what I have a problem with is being selective about which religions are allowed and which one's are not. The State should not be in any position of labeling some religions as "approved" and one's as "banned".

Either Ban ALL religions, or Allow them all. Otherwise it is discrimination.
22 months ago: The idea of restricting all religious sites has merit, but it just won't work. Who determines what a religious site is? I wouldn't trust a Christian, Muslim, Jew, or even an Atheist to do the job. They all have their prejudices and it would affect their decisions.

Better to have no lists and moniter the sites being viewed on an individual basis and restricting them real time.

As it stands, "The State" is doing exactly what you have a problem with, labeling some religions as "approved" and some as "banned". And it's not just in this one instance either.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
22 months ago: RLWood, You definitey exposed a blatant double standard of religious intolerance as likely proffered by religious right evangelicals in control of that school district. BUT the document is five years old. Unless this policy is still in place, it seems we might be getting our hackles raised unnecessarily.

It's interesting though that the filter restricts sites that include discussion of paranormal or unexplained events. Considering that would Jesus walking on water and raising up corpses to life, does the self-delusional hypocrisy of evangelical fundamentalists knows any end?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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22 months ago: The hypocrisies of the education system nationwide knows no bounds. They filter out gun sites as violence, yet let the kids watch news articles about crime, war, death and destruction. They filter out lifestyle pages, and then distribute condoms and birth control pills.
22 months ago: Don't forget they let them play sports that are violent and other activities that contradict their own policies!
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
22 months ago: Police State anybody? Especially the rightwingers here.

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