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News Flash: 'Birthers' Realize Obama Won

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UNITED STATES (Reality-Based News) - Depression swept across the nation today, as conservative conspiracy theorists collectively came to the sudden realization that Barack Obama won the Presidential election last November.

"I hadn't really come to terms with it, I guess," said Bob Northrup of Pensacola as he scraped off a homemade bumper sticker that read 'Barack Hussein Obama isn't the President.' "I just woke up this morning, and it hit me: He really did win the election. Can't stand the guy, no, but he won fair and square."

Northrup is one of a large number of Republicans who until this morning had salved their wounded egos by telling themselves and each other stories that described Obama as a somehow illegitimate President. The theories ranged from bizarre dual-citizenship mental gymnastics to the elegantly simple -- if woefully mistaken -- belief that the President had been born abroad.

But today, conservative Republicans all over the country are waking up to the depressing realization that these desperate conspiracy theories are merely a way to express their displeasure over losing the election. "Yesterday, you could have taken me to Hawaii and shown me his original birth certificate personally and I wouldn't have believed it," Northrup said as he deleted various emails supposedly detailing proof that the President is Muslim. "Heck, you could have put me in a time machine to watch the birth personally, and I wouldn't have believed it."

When asked what had changed, he replied, "Well, today I woke up, and it was all suddenly clear: I just hate the guy. I hate his policies, I hate where he's taking this country, and I hate the way the country seems to be going along for the ride. And I realized, this was my way of being able to pretend he didn't really win, see? But I just can't pretend anymore."

Other conspiracy theorists expressed similar sentiments. "I didn't really think Obama would start a euthanasia campaign," said Martha Pendergrass of Salt Lake City, Utah. "I just can't afford the taxes for his health care plan." When informed that she makes too little to see a tax increase under Obama's proposed plan, she sighed and nodded. "See, I already knew that, too. But I keep hoping I'll get rich, and don't wanna see all that money go to pay for other people's health care. Boy, disillusionment sucks."

When asked if she she would use a so-called 'public option' herself if one was available, she reluctantly nodded. "But I wouldn't if I could afford insurance."

All over the internet, message boards were flooded this morning with former conspiracy theorists informing each other in somber language that Obama wasn't born in Kenya, that he doesn't want to kill old people, and that he isn't really a puppet of Islamic terrorists. They just really, really don't like him, and wish he hadn't won. One plaintive message on the website 'Free Republic' asked, "What will we do tomorrow?"

"I dunno, argue about the issues instead?" was the only reply.
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30 months ago: Are you SURE they've all accepted the truth? I'm afraid conspiracy boards are STILL a-humming with " 'Mandatory euthanasia for the elderly' says foreign-born Obama."
30 months ago: Oh, it's absolutely true... in my feverishly satirical dreams. Sadly, the reality is as you describe. This was a work of fiction; the link on the left is to a poll that indicates less than half of all Republicans think Obama was born in the United States. The remaining Republicans who do accept reality really oughta be treating this as a "teaching moment."
30 months ago: They'll believe in whichever fantasy makes them happy. Wasn't it the Red Queen who said something about "Sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast?"
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: Yes he won the election, but that doesn't mean he was eligible as "natural-born."

To all the people that say Obama is legitimate, I would like to know if your decision was based on faith or facts? If it’s faith, I’m not persuaded. If it’s based on facts, show them to the world so we can evaluate them for ourselves!

If Obama has a long-form, why doesn’t he show it? If he doesn’t have one, why not? People that hide things, usually have something to hide. He works for us. We have a right to know! We have a right to demand it!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to send a message to Obama and to EVERY OTHER POTENTIAL VIOLATOR OF OUR RULE OF LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

Birthers need to start demanding a new law to prove “natural-born” status for future presidential elections. Obama’s position on that legislation will “show his hand.”
30 months ago: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

I realize you won't accept this...actually, those of you who don't believe him will NEVER accept anything unless you personally saw him pop out of his mom in Hawaii.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: Siempre. . .Whether he's an American is meaningless. The Constitution requires POTUS to be a "natural-born" citizen. That usually means two citizen parents. . .no dual citizenship. Obummer doesn't make that cut, sorry.
30 months ago: HNIC. Deal with it.
30 months ago: Captain Steve, the birth certificate he already released -- the only one Hawaii state law will allow him to release actually -- is legal proof of birth. I know you don't accept that, nor do you accept the statements from Hawaii officials as meaning the contents of his birth records are what they say they are. You're a birther.

My central thesis in this satirical piece is that people like you don't accept the legal proof of birth, or come up with bizarre dual-citizenship ideas, to salve your wounded pride over the trouncing your party received in November. It's just a way of saying he only won by cheating, and therefore he didn't really win at all. It's a form of self-delusion, and it's one not even Sarah Palin and John McCain were willing to test the waters with.

You just don't like him. That's OK. But might I suggest arguing over real issues could be a more effective way of contending with the man?
30 months ago: Stop NoniNoniNoniNoni, you're going to make me gigglegigglegiggle.
30 months ago: Siempre Solo, that's not quite true. Whether a country grants citizenship to children born in other countries and under what circumstance that citizenship applies varies from country to country. In the case of the United States, the foreign-born child of a U.S. citizen (mother or father, it doesn't matter) has the right to claim U.S. citizenship, although there are some bureaucratic hoops to jump through. If only one parent is a U.S. citizen, then the laws of the other parent's home country may confer dual citizenship, but that in no way detracts from the individual's U.S. citizenship. The State Department has a good brief overview of dual nationality here: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

However, a child born on U.S. soil is a citizen, regardless of parental nationality. A pregnant woman visiting from China who gives birth here has a natural-born U.S. citizen as well as a Chinese citizen as a child, regardless of whether that child ever chooses to take advantage of the U.S. citizenship.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
30 months ago: Sorry to interrupt the gloat-fest. I seem to remember a bajillion or so conspiracy theories during the last president's stay in office. He stole Ohio, he stole
Florida, "he betrayed our country, he played on our fears!" The republican wackos don't have a monopoly on sour grapes.

The questions many are asking, including non-"birthers", is "Why didn't he just go ahead and release the requested information promptly, instead of fueling speculation by holding them back for so long? Why won't he release his school transcripts? Why is so much of his past shrouded in mystery?"

I think it is in his best interests to keep some of the kook fringe stirred up, to cast dispersions on the entire conservative movement.
30 months ago: The difference, OOTB? Our fringe are actually a *fringe*, not the majority. For example, most liberals don't think Bush was responsible for 9/11. He was just the head of a grossly incompetent administration that had its head up its rear on that awful day. At least they possessed enough cunning after the fact to spin it into "tough-on-terror" jingoism for a while.

As for stolen elections, I should point out that there's a history of stolen or questionable elections in this country. There isn't a history of secret foreign-born atheist Muslim terrorist-supporting Manchurian candidate fake American Presidents. The former is quite a bit more plausible from a historical perspective than the latter.

Even so, most people who think the Florida vote in 2000 was stolen think it was *local* electioneering, not a vast, countrywide conspiracy. Ballot-stuffing, caging, and other vote-changing tactics happen all the time, on both sides. It just happened to have drastic national repercussions due to the closeness of the Electoral College vote.

And no one but really fringe nutcases argue that Bush was never legally President, because it's the Electoral College that voted for him (a solid argument, by the way, for getting rid of the EC, since Gore handily won the currently unimportant overall popular vote). Your nutcases, on the other hand, regularly argue that Obama is literally not eligible to be President at all, with no evidence.

So, you're comparing apples and oranges. Or apples and macadamias, if you like.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
30 months ago: Your entire response was exactly my point, Noni, and thank you for demonstrating it.
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
30 months ago: This is cynical politics at its worst, and it's being played to keep people of marginal political value, at the expense of moderates and people who might grow the incredible shrinking Republican base. Another bad political calculation.

Think of the vote on House Resolution 593--none of the nine House Republicans, who still publicly refuse to repudiate the "birthers", voted against what was really a vote on Obama's citizenship.

You can't have it both ways. Bill Buckley faced a similar dilemma with the John Birchers, and finally cast them out of the conservative movement to keep them from corrupting the entire movement with their Communist paranoia and conspiracy mongering.
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
30 months ago: Probably part of the problem--there is no one, unifying Republican voice to make these decisions.
30 months ago: This "birth conspiracy" is just a joke...or would be, if it weren't so attractive to so many people.

Does ANYONE think that, if there were ANY truth to this crappola, John McCain wouldn't be screaming like a smashed cat?

My guess is that the Republican power structure (such as it is, JAK) is laughing at the fools who perpetrate the nonsense.
30 months ago: What point did I prove exactly, OOTB? Was it the point that the vast majority of liberal Democrats aren't conspiracy nuts? Or is it that more than half the Republicans *are* or are teetering on the edge?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
30 months ago: Noni, I wish you could the hear the heavy sigh in my voice. Either you are the most hate filled person I have ever met, or the most blatant trumpet for the left. You sound like you should maybe change your handle to bluestateguy.

My point was, the dems are full of their conspiracy theories too, and you trotted out all the reasons why you think those theories are valid. I'm sure you did a lot of research on it, and didn't just repeat the talking points your party was dishing out.

You say the majority of Republicans are kooks, what research, other than your personal hatred of them, do you have to back up your claims? How do feel about me, knowing I am not affiliated with either party, but that I am strongly conservative?

I will say again, as I have said many times before, quoting the late, great Jesus Christ, "A house (or a nation) divided against itself cannot stand."
30 months ago: I've just watched Bill Mahrer taling about the "birthers." He said they wouldn't believe Obama's Hawaiian birth even if they saw "a video of him emerging from the womb with Don Ho singing in the background."

I almost fell off the couch!
30 months ago: Did I miss-spell MAHER? MAHRER? Sorry.
30 months ago: The heaving sigh is mutual. A couple of points:
* I'm not the liberal equivalent of redstateguy. Aside from the vastly differing levels of research he and I do, my spelling and punctuation are in an entirely different category. (Seriously, at least compare me to someone who doesn't resort to poorly-spelled name-calling.)
* What "hate" are you talking about? When I said less than half of Republicans think Obama was born in Hawaii, it wasn't hate, it was a poll. Seriously, look at the link.
* You misunderstood me. I wasn't defending liberal conspiracy theorists. They're as bad as conservative ones. Believe me, I wish the 9/11 "truthers" would shut the hell up about it already. And like I said, there's a lunatic fringe that wants Bush arrested for having been an illegitimate President, totally disregarding the fact that it's the Electoral College that makes the decision. But the people who believe that really are a fringe, while the majority of Republicans are either birthers or unsure. Seriously, check the poll.
* As for you, I don't recall you denying Obama's birth certificate is valid, or that the state of Hawaii has authenticated him as a native-born citizen, so I think you're a conservative, not a conspiracy theorist.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
30 months ago: Noni,
I'm not going to pretend to know what is in your mind or heart. Your piece was actually very well done, and funny as hell. The intent to ridicule was obvious, and although you may feel their position is ridiculous, your particular talent of name-calling without actually doing so is just a technicality.

Now, you left out in your poll results, which by the way was sponsored by daily-kos, which is known and respected for their unbiased, level headed reporting (not), that, of the republicans polled, 72 percent said they either believed he was a citizen or did not have enough information to make a decision.

Yes No Not sure
Dem 93 4 3
Rep 42 28 30
Ind 83 8 9

Now when you break it down into regions, the south fairs a bit better than the national republican average, with still the same margin of those who just can't say for sure.
Northeast 93 4 3
South 47 23 30
Midwest 90 6 4
West 87 7 6
I actually admire more the people who choose undecided, shows they can think for themselves.
Heck, I am told I was born in a certain place, but if you asked me to swear to it, I couldn't do it. I just don't remember the details all that clearly. All I can swear to is what my family tells me and that I have a piece of paper saying it's true.

Northeast 93 4 3
South 47 23 30
Midwest 90 6 4
West 87 7 6

Also, what scientific method was used in generating this poll. Did they go to Franks Feed and Seed? Did they go to Starbucks?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
30 months ago: But anyway, great post. Ridicule is always a great tool in silencing opposition from all but the most dedicated opponents, as we are social animals, and peer approval is important. You may yet have a future in the media.
30 months ago: Hah! Well, that would be news to anyone who has seen me in person.

Look, I really do think conspiracy theories in general, and outlandish ones like this in particular, deserve nothing but ridicule and scorn. They require a willful disregard for Occam's razor - the simplest explanation is usually the correct one - and rejection of blatantly obvious facts, such as that Obama already released a legal birth certificate (you should see some of the wacky ideas people come up with for explaining how Hawaii's Republican-controlled state government's conspiring withhim on that... hoo boy...)

As for the undecideds, I have no respect for them whatsoever. That's not independent thinking, that's an inability to look at a real, legal, valid birth certificate and determine what it means. The ones who are worthy of respect are the ones who are rejecting intentional stupidity when they look at his birth certificate and seeing it for what it is: His freakin' birth certificate!
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: To Noni Baloney,

I'm starting to think that you're nothing but a pompous as$. You're always spouting off about Occam's Razor and you obviously don't know what it means.

Let me assure you, the fewest assumptions and simplest (Ocamm's Razor) solution to the question why hasn't Obummer produced a valid long-fom birth certificate is that he can't! He's hiding something, or everything. He's a pathetic fraud, just like you.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

Click below to see possible obama Kenyan records!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
30 months ago: Well, I still respect the ones who say they don't have enough to go on. The way things are today, seeing is not really believing, unless you just want to believe.


I barely remember a story I read as a boy, maybe you can help me out with the details, but the essence stuck with me all these years.

If I remember correctly, a king (or somebody important) was in his carriage on a long journey, and a boy, (either an apprentice or helper of some sort) was accompanying him. (Man! I wish I could remember, it was a long time ago) Anyway, the man saw a horse grazing in a meadow and asked the boy to describe it. The boy replied "It's white on this side." The man was so impressed that he made the boy his protege, or something.
30 months ago: Heynn.
Be honest.
How do you think the state run media would have treated George Bush if he had these issues about being born an American?
Also, when's the last time a liberal followed a law when it got in his way anyway?
30 months ago: @Captain Steve

I have refrained from using childish playground insults. Mock my logic, mock my arguments, whatever... but why would I bother arguing with someone who hasn't outgrown namecalling?

As for Occam's razor, I should point out a couple things:
1. My previous post here was the very first time I have ever mentioned it on rantrave.com. Ever. Seriously, if you're going to go after my posting habits, at least go after one that I actually have. And incidentally, it's two Cs and one M, not the other way around.
2. No, the simplest answer is that the birth certificate that's been authenticated up one side and down the other is a legal birth certificate. Hawaii officials don't just hand out certified copies willy-nilly, nor do they make explicit statements about someone being born there unless they were in fact born there. If the state of Hawaii says it's real, why do you still believe it's fake? What evidence do you have that it's fake?

@OOTB
"The way things are today, seeing is not really believing, unless you just want to believe."

But in this case, the preponderance of evidence is on Obama's side. Yes, a birth certificate could be faked convincingly. However, the complicity of multiple Hawaiian state agencies could not so easily be accomplished. If it's fake, then literally dozens of people in state government are working together to ensure that forgery doesn't come out. Now *that* takes some willfulness to believe.
30 months ago: Heynn.
"multiple Hawaiian state agencies"?
No way.

1 or 2 or 3 people, maybe.
Not dozens.

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