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News Flash: All the rumors are true

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Today, Barack Obama announced that all of the rumors about him, his health care plans, his past, and his vision for America are all true.

Wearing the traditional Muslim garb of his native Mombasa, he emerged onto the White House lawn. On his left, the printing press which he used to create his fake Hawaiian birth certificate. On his right, a paper shredder into which copies of the Constitution were being fed.

"My fellow Americans," he started. "Or rather, you foolish capitalist American dogs who fell for my ploy. I come to you today to reveal the truth, now that there's nothing you can do about it.

"Let us start with religion. I am, first and foremost, a Muslim. Now, as it happens, I am also a believer in 'black liberation theology,' an extreme form of Christianity, as was aptly pointed out during the campaign. And I am an atheist, as was also pointed out during the campaign. The truth is, I hate God and worship a false version of Him simultaneously. I accomplish this because it is a super power granted me by my Kenyan birth.

"I would like to address some questions about my past. Shortly after my thoroughly Muslim upbringing in countries few of you know anything about, I spent several years working closely with the Weather Underground to destroy America, developing a close friendship with Bill Ayers, to whom I send 'Death To America' greeting cards to this day. It was he and Saul Alinsky who were the guiding lights of my youth. And it is to them I owe my overpowering desire to kill old people.

"But to me, killing old people isn't enough. I dream of a collectivist utopia in which private ownership is outlawed. My personal security forces will be along to deprive you of your property shortly. They will be assisted by my good friend Osama bin Laden, with whom I plotted the events of 9/11. Say, I just noticed... Osama... Obama... Only one letter of difference! I don't know about you, folks, but that seems awfully important and meaningful to me.

"So in summary: My campaign was funded by foreign Muslim terrorists, just like you thought. Oh, and my good friend Hugo Chávez. I worked for ACORN, and use them as my personal Gestapo, just like you thought. I won't hold my hand over my heart during the National Anthem, just like you thought - heck, I don't even know how it goes. I do, in fact, detest the American flag, and had it removed from Air Force 1, just like you thought. I refuse to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, just like you thought. And yes, despite reports to the contrary, I took the Oath of Office on a Koran, just like you thought I would. Did that when I became a Senator, too.

"You may have heard that in 1981, travel to Pakistan wasn't banned after all, so I could have traveled there on a U.S. passport. The truth? We've been systematically altering historical records all over the United States to make it appear that you could go to Pakistan on a U.S. passport in 1981. Of course in reality, my passport was Indonesian. Or Kenyan. I forget which. Just like you thought.

"I will - and even already have - raised taxes on everything and anything, including water, just like you thought. It's because I hate private enterprise, capitalism, and money. In fact, the whole point of a public option is to destroy an entire industry. Just like you thought.

"Born in Kenya. Friend of terrorists. Even endorsed by the KKK during the campaign. Hate all things American. Want to kill old people. Want to kill babies. All these things... All these too-crazy-to-be-believed things that you all believed anyway... True. Every last bit of it, even the ones that are contradictory.

"I am the inhuman beast you prefer to think of me as. There's no need to study in any fine detail any of my policy proposals or goals, because really, I only have one goal: The utter destruction of the country that elected me President.

"Just like you thought."
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30 months ago: flag@whitehouse.gov
30 months ago: TCG, I know this is difficult to believe, but the above is satire. All the silly doomsday rumors, all the bull**** about how Obama wipes himself with the flag, all the terrible things he was going to do, up to and including impose Sharia law... None of it was true. Not one single, solitary word of it.

So, why should anyone trust the analysis of birthers and tea baggers and other assorted kooks when it comes to Obama's policy decisions now? When the Glenn Becks of the world were wrong about the Koran, wrong about the Pledge, wrong about everything, what should we do but laugh at them when they come up with "Obama's gonna kill old people?" They deserve the mockery.
Out Of The Box
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30 months ago: It's just that Obama comes off as ignorant, uninformed and deceitful when selling the healthcare/ insurance reform. e.g. His much repeated story about the kid with a sore throat, who keeps going to the doctor with a sore throat and the doctor just looks at it as a money thing, and says, "Hey, I'll make more money if I take the kids tonsils out."
Ignorant. One, the doctor would have cut himself out of repeated office visits at sixty per. Two, the doctor makes zilch off a tonsillectomy, the surgeon who does the surgery makes the money. Sure, there are a few EENT's who do office and surgery, but they are an exception.
He has now modified his scare tactics to include diabetes and getting your feet cut off unnecessarily, just so the Doctor can make a few bucks. Again, very few diabetes specialists make a dime from cutting off peoples feet.
If he knows of doctors fraudulently cutting off peoples feet and tonsils, why are they not being prosecuted?
He also states that if you like you current insurance, you will be allowed to keep it. That is a half truth, he knows it, and he should explain ALL the details, including the fact that many people will be forced to change to the public plan if their employer switches, and if their current private plan cannot meet the government guidelines, you will forced into the public plan. He is not pointing out that the likelihood of a private insurer being able to compete with a public plan is practically nil. granted I haven't read the whole Kennedy bill yet, but I'm working on it.
Out Of The Box
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30 months ago: He's also tipping his hand a bit.

Obama said “you just get into some very difficult moral issues” when considering whether “to give my grandmother, or everybody else’s aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they’re terminally ill.

“That’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues,” he said in the April 14 interview. “The chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health- care bill out here.”
30 months ago: He's right about that, actually, OOTB. No one ever wants to be the one who decides who gets the hip replacement and who doesn't if there is a shortage of artificial hips. But if there was a shortage, I'd rather there be some kind of guidelines in place to help doctors make that awful decision rather than have it resolved in no-holds-barred cage matches.

As for private plans being able to compete with a public one, I think it depends on how the public plan is implemented and whether it's required to be able to pay for itself. The post office is a socialized service, yet UPS and FedEx have no trouble competing with it.
30 months ago: It's about time he came clean.
30 months ago: About what?
30 months ago: I was being facetious :)
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
30 months ago: The US post office could make a profit if it wasn't bogged down with bureaucrats, and unions. Did you know UPS and FedEx were delivering to N.O. after Katrina about 2 weeks before the post office. They are great examples of why not to have the Govt run healthcare. With a 100 year head start they don't have a better deliver system than the new guys why. Because the govt puts their cronies in charge. Look at Amtrak, love all that high speed rail we were promised in the 70's. They run the FAA and have spent none of the money they were budgeted to up grade their sytems, it went into the pockets of apointees and union leaders. I do not want that same government taking more of my money to do the same, and I am not in the minority. You want health insurance buy it, or get a job that offers it. If you are unemployed pick yourself up and move somewhere that there are jobs.
When the government uses coercion to take property away from anyone that is TYRANNY. No matter how it plans to use that property it is still TYRANNY.

Health Care some say is a right, it is not it is a product to be purchased, or sold. You people who want health care to be a right, do not circumvent the constitution, convince 3/4 of the state's legislatures and you can amend the Constitution. Until that happens I expect my Representatives to defend it.


30 months ago: Heynn:
You are blind.
30 months ago: While I no longer respond to redstateguy, I have a question for the people who do: How much more obvious does his trolling have to be before you stop being baited by him? Look at the comment above; there's no content. There's never any content. Just name-calling. He doesn't say, "Well actually, such-and-such rumor was correct because..." or "You're not taking into account the evidence of..." There's nothing. He makes no points, he argues no facts. He just insults people and claims to be right about everything.

If he was "bluestateguy," I'd tell him to stay the hell off my side.
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30 months ago: Here is an example of what appears to be Obama lying about his plans for health care reform in the U.S. Maybe somebody can, HeyNoniNoni, explain this to me.

In the montage, Obama says he is not advocating single payer, and that he is advocating single payer.

Which is it, can we keep our private insurance, or is he lying?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.tv%2Funcovered-video-obama-explains-how-his-health-care-plan-will-eliminate-private-insurance%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=112
30 months ago: OOTB, as a proponent of single-payer myself, I can tell you I've been disappointed by how he has moved away from advocating for it. I've been disappointed that the bill in Congress right now doesn't have it. As is, the bill doesn't take away anyone's existing insurance, and doesn't require you to switch to the so-called "public option." I imagine that if the private insurance companies add real value, they'll have no trouble competing with it. FedEx and UPS do it with the post office, and no one's talking about disbanding the post office.

So in answer to your question, yes, you can keep your private insurance. And if they can provide better value or services, they deserve to keep your business.

Personally, I wish he still felt that health insurance ought to be a service of the government. I regard it as an essential part of infrastructure, like utilities.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: Watch this video. You’ll see obama lie like a dog in his very own words.

http://www.breitbart.tv/naked-emperor-news-obamas-mother-of-all-political-lies-and-the-town-hall-mayhem-it-caused/comment-page-1/#comment-2529261

People need to wake up and see this lying fraud for who he is, an America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan usurper dirt-bag Chicago thug!
30 months ago: Here you go Captain. The youtube link to

it will be all over C-Span and the NET.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JKDTBOYKg
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: Thx Cypress. . .That's even better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JKDTBOYKg

It's definitely good to show obummer in his own words, because only then will his "fans" see what a liar he is.

People need to wake up and see this lying fraud for who he is, an America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan usurper dirt-bag Chicago thug!
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30 months ago: Bad news, Steve, his fans aren't going to watch it, if they do, they'll click their heels together three times and fly off over the rainbow where they don't have to really think, because the great wizard will comfort them until they forget.
The real problem is that these institutionalized schmucks, like school teachers, professors, government employees, you know the type, they welcome the prison that is coming. There is security for them knowing they have three hots and a cot, and if times get rough, somebody else is there to get the check.
30 months ago: heynn.
you seem to be the only one I am baiting....or is it trolling.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: Simple Solo, you're either naive or an idiot. Why not just go all the way and say the private portion of the economy isn't secure enough therefore everybody should work for the government too? How about government food insurance etc etc?

Two kinds of people want obamacare,

1) idiots that don't realize socialism doesn't work, and

2) pathetic lazy losers that can't or won't compete in the world, because it's easier to beg for a handout!

Which one are you?
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
30 months ago: CS I like the part about Food Insurance was wondering if you happened to read the article Thomas J. DiLoronzo wrote about that???

If you did not here's the Link:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo176.html
I think you'll find it amusing albeit scary.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: haha rotflmao B-roo. . .no I hadn't seen it, but followed your link to it, thx. Excellent article. Everybody should read it. My point exactly. Great title too!

Single-Payer Groceries, Anyone?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo176.html


..
way kewl
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
30 months ago: CS as for point #2 i was thinking its not that its easier to beg for a hand out. I think it is that they are already dependent on the government for hand outs. Irony is it was the government, like a crack dealer, is the one that makes people dependent.

They have no shame in begging for handouts, because they are taught by state run schools that there is no shame, there is no loser, we are all winners. And if you fail we will bail you out...it will however cost you your liberty (that part is in the fine print).
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: B-Roo. . .of course you're right. It's another reason I don't want obamacare. These programs start with great "intentions" but end in disaster.

AFDC is an perfect example. No one wants single moms and kids to starve so the gov gives em money. Now there's a whole new "industry" of welfare moms living off of AFDC that are spittin' out kids as fast as they can, "so they can get a raise."

With Gov medical there will be another new industry of bums getting some type of disability label so as to collect handouts.

I noticed your page that you've worked a LOT of years for your age. Good on ya. I started young as well. I worked my way through college and flight school with any help or loans. So I'm not very sympathetic to the "I can't do it" whiners. I'm all for hand-ups, but not hand-outs!!
30 months ago: Here you go fellas. A copy of my reply on another post.

Let me give you a true little story that shows how cheap and disassociated the private insurance companies can be. You decide.

Several years ago I took a severe fall while at work and shattered my right heel. If you are not aware. There is no possible way to cast a heel fracture much less a shattered heel. I was taken by my employer to the emergency room and dropped off. I filled out all of the paperwork while in extreme pain and included that it was a work injury along with my private insurance information. I was treated in the ER and told that it was only to stabalise the injury. I was also told by the treating DR in the ER that I needed to see an Orthopedic Surgen and they offered to transport me by ambulance to anothe (sister) hospital where an Orthopedic Surgeon and a CAT Scan could evaluate my injury. I declined and stated I would seek my own treatment. They drugged me up and sent me on my way. I setup an emergency appointment with a Orthopedic Surgeon and he sent me for a CAT Scan. The next day I had a consultation and was told I needed to have surgery and that would not guarantee I would ever walk again without help of a cane or other devices.

Remenber I said it was an injury while "on the job".

We scheduled the surgery to rebuild my foot and I spent 1 month laying on my back while not allowed to put any weight on the foot. After that I spent the next 3 months learning how to walk again. Remember, I said it was an "on the job" injury.

Long and short of the story. I am not a cripple, although I have severe pain. I don't use a cane or other device for mobility because MY PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANY PICKED UP THE TAB. That is correct. My employer paid nothing and my private insurance company got stuck. Maybe we need to look at the actual number of how many injuries are being placed into the private insurance sector that should be paid under workers compensation insurance.
30 months ago: The reply to me

Well, good for your private insurance company. And shame on worker's comp for not doing what it should. I'm glad your private insurance came through for you. But one anecdote does not a statistic make. In fact, I've had to use worker's comp myself, and it came through for me.

My reply

But you miss the point Workers Compensation is government and they allowed my private insurance to help me without holding up their end of the bargain. It was the government program that failed me.
30 months ago: I could walk into any Doctors office today and get just about any "pain medication" I asked for without question.

I am not one of those fat lazy unhandicapped shills that uses a fake handicap placard so I can park up front. Even though I have been offered. I park in the back of the parking lot and walk in proudly. But that would be another topic. Or would it.
30 months ago: HNN, it was asked in a Whitehouse press conferance.

Major Garrett FOX News:
The White House on Friday was looking over a list of names submitted by FOX News of people who say they received unsolicited e-mails on health care from the White House, Barack Obama's presidential campaign or his political organization, Organizing for America.

After a testy exchange Thursday between FOX News' Major Garrett and White House spokesman Robert Gibbs over the e-mail list, the White House said it would review some of the names of recipients to determine how they ended up on the distribution list.

FOX News obtained permission from some of the e-mailers who sent their concerns to FOX News and forwarded them to the White House. No explanation has yet been received.

full report:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/14/white-house-expected-explain-creation-health-care-e-mail-list/

How do you explain this since flag@whitehouse.gov has only been building it's database for a few days. Un-Solicited emails from David Axelrod about healthcare "REFORM".

This is getting over the edge and it might be time to start looking for "Special Prosecutors".
30 months ago: TCG, I sometimes get emails from right-wing interest groups I've never even heard of. I have no idea how I ended up on those lists, and would rather I hadn't, but there ya go. I also once got an email from former Senator Gordon Smith thanking me for my support. Considering I loathed the guy, I was rather surprised that I'd "supported" him in anything except perhaps packing his bags and leaving our state capitol.

I can't explain how non-supporters got on a mailing list of supporters. But I imagine it was no more nefarious than how I ended up on the wrong lists.
30 months ago: David Axelrod is not a interest group unless your being facetious. Then David Axelrod would be an interest group from the facetious Whitehouse.
30 months ago: I never said he was. All I was trying to say was that email lists are easily polluted. Someone searches a computer for addresses, forgets to double-check and cross-reference them, and whammo, you get octogenarians getting ads for diaper services.
30 months ago: Do you know how much info you send when you forward an email? Even when you don't mean to do it? That is not the point. The point will not be was the email that the "David Axelrod" crew disassembled was meant to add others to the database. The problem they have is several laws on the books.

1) Using personal information for political reasons (Nixon 1974)
2) The White House must by law archive all correspondence with full documentation forever. Any attempt to delete any official correspondence to or from the White House is illegal.

So what do they do now? Emails can be tracked in both directions.

Don't think so? You need to learn a bit. It is easy enough for your to see some of the tracking info attached to every email. Just use your email client tools.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: Stupid lefties don't realize the government is like a ravenous animal. They slowly devour your liberty and freedom. The states with free health care already want to tell you what can eat and how much you can weigh, plus seatbelts and helmets. If free health-care passes everything that has high injury levels will slowly become illegal. After all, why should society have to pay for risky choices?
X-games? illegal
jogging? illegal
all car racing? illegal
skateboards? illegal
football? illegal
eggs? yes. . .then no. . .then yes.

No thanks! I'll be responsible for myself thank you!

Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: And a reminder. Don't believe a word obummer says, because nothing he says can be trusted. Also don't believe his teams of paid Craiglist bloggers (like the stupid lefties you read here). They are true ASTROTURF!!

Watch this video. You’ll see obama lie like a dog in his very own words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JKDTBOYKg

People wake up and see this lying fraud for who he is, an America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan usurper dirt-bag Chicago thug!
30 months ago: Hey Captain, I can't wait to see how David Axelrod got email addresses and from whom. This is going to take the cake for the earliest Whitehouse law breaking scandal. Nixon at least made a second term. Obama might not make a third quarter. At best he will find a scapegoat and blame all of it on lack of knowing the law (isn't he a lawyer).

This will be good I'm hoping for a White House update this weekend. Really since FOX gave them the information they requested and they have been looking at it today...

I'm not that good but I know how to read embedded addresses in emails and could track the server addresses in about 2 minutes.
30 months ago: I don't mean to steam your broccolli but here is the David Axelrod email to combat health care misinformation.

http://open.salon.com/blog/dorinda_fox/2009/08/13/david_axelrods_email_on_healthcare

Did it say - If your on the Whiteshouse.gov mailing list?

Funny how it is the same whitehouse.gov as the turn everyone into flag@whitehouse.gov
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: C-Gang I would bet everything i own that obummer's team is engaging in criminal activity. That's the Chicago way! For it to matter they not only have to get caught, they have to be prosecuted too. Given the "incestuousness" of the "insiders" I don't think it will ever happen. The Dems definitely don't care and the Repubs have plenty of corruption too. It's team tactics corruption. Just like they won't look into the citizenship issue. Or even secure the border.
30 months ago: Sorry in advance for the spelling. I am on my phone.

I have only the email that I get the DAVID axelrod emails sent to for a short period of time. So I can easily figure out how I may have been put on the list.

The onlypossible thing I can think of is I have emailed the Whitehouse. So it must be the case that if you email them you are on the list. I have no idea if it is llegal or not. What annoys me though is they send them to me without asking and there no option to be removed from the list

So if you don't want them do what I do and forward them to flag@whitehouse.gov.

iof course that probably gets you put on another list.
30 months ago: Sorry in advance for the spelling. I am on my phone.

I have only the email that I get the DAVID axelrod emails sent to for a short period of time. So I can easily figure out how I may have been put on the list.

The onlypossible thing I can think of is I have emailed the Whitehouse. So it must be the case that if you email them you are on the list. I have no idea if it is llegal or not. What annoys me though is they send them to me without asking and there no option to be removed from the list

So if you don't want them do what I do and forward them to flag@whitehouse.gov.

iof course that probably gets you put on another list.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: The high level talk about the right-wing being domestic terrorists leads me to believe that obummer is looking for excuses to begin a military style crackdown just like has been done so many times in history in other countries.

They could easily enact a total police state martial-law. I have heard that Georgia Congressman Paul Brown says this is coming.

I can't endorse either of the following websites, but at the least it's worthwhile getting a variety of opinions.

The first one is Alex Jones. . .over the edge? not sure. there's a like to his radio show. take a listen.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/

this one has tons of good stuff too.

http://www.outragedpatriots.com/

good luck Patriots!

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30 months ago: Capt. FEMA only needs a call from the Prez. the law is already in place.

History

After the start of the Great Depression in 1929, President Herbert Hoover had commissioned the Reconstruction Finance Corporation in 1932. The purpose of the RFC was to lend money to banks and institutions to stimulate economic activity. RFC was also responsible for dispensing federal dollars in the wake of a disaster. RFC can be considered the first organized federal disaster response agency.

By the start of the 1960s, federal disaster relief and recovery was brought under the umbrella of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), which created the Federal Disaster Assistance Administration.

FEMA was established under the 1978 Reorganization Plan No. 3, and activated April 1, 1979 by Jimmy Carter in his Executive Order 12127. In July, Carter signed Executive Order 12148 shifting disaster relief efforts to the new federal level agency. FEMA absorbed the Federal Insurance Administration, the National Fire Prevention and Control Administration, the National Weather Service Community Preparedness Program, the Federal Preparedness Agency of the General Services Administration and the Federal Disaster Assistance Administration activities from HUD. FEMA was also given the responsibility for overseeing the nation's CIVIL DEFENSE, a function which had previously been performed by the Department of Defense's Defense Civil Preparedness Agency.

Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Congress passed the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which created the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to better coordinate among the different federal agencies that deal with law enforcement, disaster preparedness and recovery, border protection and civil defense. FEMA was absorbed into DHS in 2003. As a result, FEMA became part of the Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate of Department of Homeland Security.
30 months ago: Official FEMA site
http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm

National Level Exercise 2009 (NLE 09) is scheduled for July 27 through July 31, 2009. NLE 09 will be the first major exercise conducted by the United States government that will focus exclusively on terrorism prevention and protection, as opposed to incident response and recovery.

NLE 09 is a White House directed, Congressionally- mandated exercise that includes the participation of all appropriate federal department and agency senior officials, their deputies, staff and key operational elements. In addition, broad regional participation of state, tribal, local, and private sector is anticipated. This year the United States welcomes the participation of

Australia, Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom

in NLE 09.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: I hear ya, C-Gang. I'm pretty sure they wanted to keep the NLE secret. ooops

The feds are hiring internment camp workers right now! No camp for me though, cuz I'd rather "go down in flames" (to use an aviation term).

(I'm sure some scum-bag fed will read this too.)
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: Internment job info link.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106742
30 months ago: I have been holding back but can't any longer.

1) Accessibility. I don't have a clue of the hospital overload where you are so you might want to chime in on your regional view. However, where I am the ER's handle many claims that should be sent elsewhere. We have a fair hospital system in Houston. We also have a "Harris County Hospital District" for those in the system that need clinic care. Harris County / Houston citizens (homeowners) are taxed to support all of the "Hospital District" costs.

I'll leave that open before I rant on who needs ER care.

2) Corruption. Hard to think of that as a product or by-product but gald you included the idea. Yes, there is corruption in medical treatments. The major players that are corrupt are the ones that like to play the system and charge for services not performed to the government system.

3) Bureaucracy. Not a good item to bring up as the Bureaucracy of healthcare will increase if it becomes social medical care. Which will add to the cost as we all know it takes 4 government employees to dig a 6 inch deep hole. 1 digging and 3 watching.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: Whimpersolo,

You write to lecture me about civility and through your post you make derogatory remarks about me. You're a joke. I know you got your job on Craigslist to support obummer, but you are a dumba$$ . You're not smart enough to debate me. Go away and pester someone else.

Case in point? Your stupid comment about how because "life" is in the declaration of independence that is somehow it justification for government health care. That just shows how weak and pathetic are the lefty minds. Food is far more important than health care when it comes to life. Therefore by your simpleton logic the government should take over all food industry first.

Get a life. Better yet, do society and favor and don't!
30 months ago: Hey Cap. go to your profile and enable the email function.
You won't be posting a email address but some of us might send you tidbits of info without posting them for the WHOLE WORLD TO SEE unlike the otherside.
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30 months ago: Noni, As is my compulsion, I was reading back over some posts and comments, to keep them fresh in my memory, and to reconsider them, and I noticed that you wrote:
"He's right about that, actually, OOTB. No one ever wants to be the one who decides who gets the hip replacement and who doesn't

*if there is a shortage of artificial hips. But if there was a shortage, *

I'd rather there be some kind of guidelines in place to help doctors make that awful decision rather than have it resolved in no-holds-barred cage matches."


Now, why would there ever be a shortage of artificial hip replacements, unless imposed by some kind of government healthcare rationing? Are you a proponent of the government deciding who gets care and who doesn't? It is your kind of argument that gives the "death panel" theory credence.
30 months ago: You have got to be kidding me! Shortage of artificial hips? This is a new twist. Government controlled medical treatment caused by government controlled supply. No wonder the PHARMS are lining up to give everyone the "DRIP" while the others (government) are bringing in the bodybags.
30 months ago: OOTB and TCG, I was talking about theoretical shortages of *any* medical device, service, or what have you. Artificial hips was just a pulled-out-of-thin-air example. It was just a random selection of something no one would want there to be a shortage of. I could have chosen AB-negative blood or smallpox vaccine or anything else. Please don't read special significance into my completely random choice of artificial hips as an example.
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30 months ago: Yes, there are already set in place mechanisms that handle that sort of thing, such as transplant-able organs. The people most likely to get the most benefit from it get the spare parts. But that is handled by hospitals, not the government, or even insurance companies.
30 months ago: OOTB, that's true. And it requires doctors who are professional bioethicists to make the rules the hospital goes by. Like I said earlier in one thread or another (maybe this one), I'd rather those guidelines exist than not. Which is why I don't understand the upset over Obama having someone who does this very important, very difficult job on staff.
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30 months ago: We'd be upset because with it handled in the private sector, there is recourse, also known as a second opinion. In the public sector, there would be only appeals, and with government bureaucracy and red tape, they could just wait you out until it was too late.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: OOBox. . .you're right. If private screws up enough they go out of business, end of problem. With a government system (think France) the best and most often used recourse is RIOTS IN THE STREETS! And that's why you see riots in France so often.

People need to wake up and see obummer for the lying fraud, America hating, Saudi King bowing, dictator loving, former cocaine addict, racist Kenyan usurper dirt-bag Chicago thug that he is! JUST SAY NO TO obamaCARE!!!
30 months ago: OOTB, you're conflating medical care with medical insurance. How in the world would public funding of insurance result in an inability to get a second opinion from another doctor? Worst-case scenario is that you are denied coverage for the second opinion and have to pay for it out of pocket. And that's no different from what insurance companies do now.
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30 months ago: Conflating, I love that word.
Worst case scenario is that, with government paying for everything, and with electronic check points set up in EVERY medical facility, and everyone signing in with their health card, there would be no second opinion. There would be no over-ride of the doctor's opinion, which would be dictated by the government's opinion. The way it is now, if you don't like what your doctor says, you can always get a doctor who will treat you in the manner you feel is best.

Although the possibilities seem to have changed in last 24 hours, we here are still talking about a single-payer system , aren't we? We are still talking about cutting costs, by eliminating unnecessary procedures and tests?


Just a quick side excursion:
Obama put a guy over the GM operations who doesn't know the first thing about cars.
Then muddied the waters of observation by financing THREE BILLION dollars worth of automobile sales.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: ooBox. . .you're spot on. I'd add, go try to get a second opinion at the IRS or DMV. They'll laugh you out. Once the govt takes over they can crush all competition and decent if they choose. That choice is political. Health and politics do mix well. I don't trust em at all.

You GM reference applies in another way. GM is now the "govt option." If they lose lose lose money, Uncle Sugar Daddy gives em more. Where does that leave FORD?? They are S.O.L! The answer is obvious to everyone except the pathetic socialist anti-business lefties.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: BTW thinking people. . .aka non-knee jerk libtards (nonibaloni). . .in obummer and the left's fantasy dream-world with full govt provided medical aka "one payer," the distinction between health-care and health insurance is totally meaningless. To suggest otherwise is foolish.

The distinction only applies when there are independent insurance companies.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: New article about Canada's pathetic system.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

In England NHS breast cancer is a 50% survival rate, in the USA it's 80%. I love my mom. I'll stay with what we have. Thank you very much.

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30 months ago: Here is the same story, on the Canadian News website.

http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/News/national/2009/08/14/10467276.html

At first I thought that all our bickering down here must have scared them, but apparently they have fighting for privatized health care for years.
Captain Steve
Captain Steve
Hermosa Beach, CA
30 months ago: Oobox. . .You're right, they have been fighting for years. It's not just Canada either. It's the same around the world with government health-care.

Healthy people like it, because they don't care much about the quality, because they don't use it and it's relatively cheap. The sick people that need it hate it, because the quality sucks.
30 months ago: Oh my god... Electronic checkpoints? Next you'll be worrying that they'll be implanting all of us with RFID tags and GPS trackers. Paranoid much?

Nothing like that is in the proposed bill (which, by the way, still has the so-called "public option" in it in the House version. We'll see if it remains in after reconciliation). If you're going to argue against the bill, argue against its content, not against what you imagine its content might lead to in some theoretical future.

As for Canada, give it up already. Canadians are happier with their health care system than Americans are, by far.

Say, why don't we ever talk about the French? The French have a mixture of public and private insurance... and the best health care system in the world, as rated by the World Health Organization.
30 months ago: Oh my god, I just saw the "internment camp" stuff in the thread higher up.

Seek help, guys. Seriously. That's paranoid and delusional.
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30 months ago: SEC. 137. APPLICATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATION.

A QHBP offering entity is required to comply with standards for electronic financial and administrative transactions under section 1173A of the Social Security Act, added by section 163(a).

SEC. 1173A. STANDARDIZE ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS.
D) enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;
30 months ago: Yes, and that's for finding out if you're *COVERED*. Not determining whether you can ask another doctor for a second opinion. They can say "we won't cover this." That's it.
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30 months ago:
"Oh my god... Electronic checkpoints? Next you'll be worrying that they'll be implanting all of us with RFID tags and GPS trackers. Paranoid much?

"Nothing like that is in the proposed bill"

"If you're going to argue against the bill, argue against its content, not against what you imagine its content might lead to in some theoretical future."
30 months ago: It's not an "electronic checkpoint." Cripes, how many times does this have to be spelled out?

Health insurance - and whether a given consultation, service, or what have you is covered by that insurance - is not the same thing as health care, no matter how much you might confuse the two.

Despite your paranoid terrors about health care checkpoints that determine whether you're liberal enough to see the doctor, the worst-case scenario is *still* just finding out that the insurance won't pay for a second opinion. That's it. Nothing in that language could possibly be interpreted to mean anything even remotely like a stricture on doctors seeing you if you want to pay cash.
30 months ago: Gah, I think I'm done with this thread. You guys are moving into black helicopter/NWO territory. You're as bad as the 9/11 truthers. Sheesh...
30 months ago: Black Op's and NWO? Funny.

Did you know that Barack Obama is a cousin of George Bush?

Don't you hate the Bush family?
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30 months ago: Noni, I never mentioned internment or black ops, or NWO.

Now then, you have said you are in favor of single-payer healthcare, but that is not in the current bill, so we won't go into your preferences.

Is it remotely possible that the house bill, as it stands now, could evolve into a single-payer system?

Yes or no, simple enough.

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