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Need a Job? Try the I.R.S.

Posted 22 months ago|47 comments|817 views
IRS, Ma'am. Just checking your insurance
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1931

Following a long trial, Al Capone was found guilty on tax evasion charges. Even though he owned many illegal speakeasies and breweries, the only way the government could stop him was through the IRS. The judge gave him an eleven-year sentence along with heavy fines, and liens were filed against his various properties.

2010

Congress passed the bill, HR3590: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
The nineteen tax increases in the bill, and the $497 billion in new tax revenue generated over the next ten years is going to require a lot more manpower.

Included in the bill is an additional $10,000,000,000 for the IRS's administration of the IMT, or Individual Mandate Tax. Using all past IRS budget data, concerning total cost including overhead per IRS employee, this means the IRS can hire 11,800 new agents, auditors, and examiners. Some estimates, including a new analysis by the Joint Economic Committee of Congress, push the number of new IRS personnel to 16,500.

Included also in the IRS budget are new assault police style shotguns and combat training for its field agents. These will be needed when they are putting locks on doors and confiscating property. According to the study conducted by the Congressional Budget Office, 46% of the nearly five billion in new taxes will be owed by families making less than 300% of the Federal Poverty Line, or about $66,000 for a family of four.

A much more complicated tax return, including not only your proof of insurance information, but also over a dozen new excise taxes will require more personnel, that's a given. The prosecution of those not willing to pay the new taxes will be labor intensive, also. While the bill specifically states that there are no criminal penalties set forth in the new bill, it prefaces those statements with the the phrase "Not withstanding any other provision of law".

So it looks like the unemployment numbers just got a big boost, and if you are one of the currently unemployed, you might look into the IRS.

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22 months ago: What if I would just like to harass people with the full weight of the federal government to back me up? Would that get me on the short list?
Out Of The Box
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22 months ago: That would move you to the front of the line.
22 months ago: Just for grins...Google this...

irs raid
22 months ago: Oh, give me a break. Because Al Capone was finally brought up on charges for tax fraud, your central thesis is basically that the IRS is now the biggest enforcement arm for the Federal government? They decided to purchase 60 Remingtons for the Criminal Investigation Division. Oooo, scary. I imagine those 60 Remingtons will be instrumental in assisting those jack-booted thugs with their mission to strip all 300,000,000 Americans of their freedom.

OOTB, the jack-booted thugs aren't coming. Think about how much nicer your life will be if you stop seeing bogeymen behind every corner.
22 months ago: They don't need to purchase any guns. They have the F.B.I., D.E.A., A.T.F, U.S.M.S, B.O.P., O.I.G. and now all of the D.H.S. which can use the National Guard (armed services). All of which seem to fall within D.O.J. jurisdiction.
22 months ago: Wait until this bogeyman shows up at your door.

http://wiki.freetalklive.com/Waco
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: As the article admitted, David Koresh was a violent child molesting egomaniac; I'm far more concerned about right-wing zealots getting their rocks off over the racist fodder such as the Turner Diariers and blowing up federal buildings and killing 168 people (including 19 children):

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-histo...

'The Turner Diaries is a novel written in 1978 by William Luther Pierce (former leader of the white Nationalist organization National Alliance) under the pseudonym "Andrew Macdonald". The Turner Diaries depicts a violent revolution in the United States which leads to the overthrow of the United States federal government, nuclear war, and, ultimately, to the extermination of all Jews and non-whites. The book was called "explicitly racist and anti-Semitic" by the New York Times and has been labeled the "bible of the racist right" by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.'

'The novel has been associated with a number of real-life violent crimes. Most notably, some have suggested that a scene depicting preparation for the bombing of the FBI national headquarters served as the inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 by Timothy McVeigh, who had promoted the book.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_...
22 months ago: don't you mean alleged? along with all of the other alleged non-facts like they had automatic weapons and grenades which were never found.
22 months ago: TCG, this has got to be the most hilarious freakout yet. Oh no, the IRS has a Criminal Investigation Division, and they're armed! It can only mean they're on their way to our homes right now to strip us of our freedom! After all, they bought 60 rifles!

Reality: While you're all acting like the Criminal Investigation division at the IRS is something new and scary, it's existed for decades. Its agents are duly sworn officers of the law. They've had weapons and combat training long before this completely routine purchase. You can start your reading up on them here: http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=983...

As for David Koresh, people from the BATF died that day, of gunshots fired from within the compound. And yes, they found a ton of weapons and grenades in the compound: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/.... It's a long, long list. Those guys were heavily, and illegally, armed. Nothing "alleged" about it.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: Also TCG, there's a large difference between a botched job and intent. For example, under the Reagan Administration, the United States military 'botched' and shot down an Iranian civil airliner, killing all 290 passengers, including 66 children. No way that the military wanted that kind of outcome anymore than the feds wanted the outcome at Waco.
22 months ago: Uh, don't you mean friendly fire?
22 months ago: I don't know about you guys, but I would be more apt to let my local sheriff, constable or other law enforcement in with an inspecting federal agent rather than being assualted from trailers of military armed feds trying to bust down my door for a bogus DOJ search warrant. Call me stupid. There are still people in this country that will die on our own land for your rights. You call them what? Where is all of the RENO Justice Department proof? Why is Clinton and Reno not in jail for this crime against Americans on our own soil?
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: Friendly fire is when you accidentally injure or kill one of your own forces while engaging the enemy. A good example would be Pat Tilman who was killed by friendly fire and sad to say, senior military commanders under Moon Beam Bush tried to cover it up.

In fact, one religious right nut bag officer involved in the cover-up said about the Tilman's family tenacity in trying to get to get answers, "These people have a hard time letting it go. It may be because of their religious beliefs" and "When you die, I mean, there is supposedly a better life, right? Well, if you are an atheist and you don't believe in anything, if you die, what is there to go to? Nothing. You are worm dirt. So for their son to die for nothing and now he is no more... I do not know how an atheist thinks, I can only imagine that would be pretty tough."
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: And you're thinking of collateral damage: Unintentional or incidental injury or damage to persons or objects that would not be lawful military targets.
22 months ago: We paid/settled that dispute:
In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice.[6] As part of the settlement, the United States agreed to pay US$61.8 million in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims. However, the United States has never admitted responsibility, nor apologized to Iran. (Wiki)

If memory serves me the airliner was "squawking" the wrong code on it's IFF (Identifier, Friend or Foe) box. Being an avionics tech, that's not hard to do but it is part of all commercial and military aircraft pilot and flight engineers check list prior to takeoff. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The operators on the Vincennes did their jobs, many innocents died because the piots didn't.

I'll shut up now.......
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: ...According to the study conducted by the Congressional Budget Office, 46% of the nearly five billion in new taxes will be owed by families making less than 300% of the Federal Poverty Line, or about $66,000 for a family of four...

Would you mind offering a cite for this and the other histrionics such as assault shotguns to enforce the health care bill - as Reagan said, trust but verify.
22 months ago: I know what the definition of ''Friendly Fire" means, don't be so all high and mighty. The BATF at WACO was inflicted by 'friendly fire'. Prove that is wrong.
22 months ago: No Mark, I'm not thinking of collateral damage. That would be all of the civilians inside the compound. Civilians would be collateral damage. Being shot at for days, gassed for days, sent to bunkers for days and then being killed in those bunkers. Yeah, tell us all and tell the world where most of the dead children were found... in a underground bunker... and they all died from what?

Talk about collateral damage? That would be when a bomb is dropped in a 2 minute section of time... to claim the deaths at Waco are somehow "collateral" damage is not only a slight to me but a slight to the Constitution you once swore to uphold.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: Regardless of the term, friendly fire or collateral damage, it's unintentional and the tragic outcome at Waco was just that. Those who were incompetent and caused uncessary loss of life should be held responsible.

But if you're going to engage in histrionics such as a "slight to the Constitution you once swore to uphold", how about if say you're an apologist for the criminal deviants who provoked it.
22 months ago: ...criminal deviants who provoked it...

Who would that be?
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: Davidians To Blame; Special Counsel Clears Government In Waco Siege
Star-Telegram, July 21, 2000

http://www.rickross.com/reference/waco/w...

and here's the actual report:

http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/DanforthR...

By the way, the special counsel was Senator John Danforth (R) who was recommended to be VP for Moon Beam Bush by Cheney until Cheney himself was selected.
22 months ago: Man your real funny. A totla government ''Whitewash'' and you know it.
the best you can find is star-telegram on rickross.com and post the "actual" federal report on carolmoore.net? I have to wonder. Where are all of the official U.S. GOV links?
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: BTW, do you have similar angst over the murder of the unarmed Kent State University students in 1970 by National Guardsman? The guardsman were left off the hook.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: Of course!! All government reports that you don't agree with are whitewashes. Don't you know the Warren report is a whitewash - we all know Nixon was behind it. Everything is a government conspiracy - ZOMG!

22 months ago: Wrong.. That would have been L.B.J.
22 months ago: Since you brought up Kent State. I'll answer. More than I can ask of the leftists on this site. Kent State. The guard was called by whom? The whom which called the guard was sanctioned by whom? the Guard is a National Military? Regardless of the top orders. All of those GUARDSMEN swore to uphold the Constitution on ''PAIN of DEATH''. Try your best to blame those that sent the troops in but you being retired military know well that you are not required to follow any order contrary to the oath you swore to uphold.
22 months ago: ...Regardless of the term, friendly fire or collateral damage, it's unintentional and the tragic outcome at Waco was just that. Those who were incompetent and caused uncessary loss of life should be held responsible...?

Who, What , When, Where and Why. We are still waiting of government head to spend time in prison or lose there most basic right.
22 months ago: Cypress:

Mark is disingenuous and polluted by his hatred of any number of things.

For instance, if this had happened under Bush, he'd be doing back flips.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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22 months ago: No RSG, it's just the opposite. Because I'm not a hard liberal or hard conservative, I don't have a case of selective indignation based on which party is in power. nor do I have a case of selective indignation based on whether it was the state police or federal police that did the action.

I do have a bias though for those in law enforcement who put their lives on the line by going into harms way and in this case, four law enforcement officers were killed, and these Branch Davidian hate the government sympathizing pukes could care less about that.

Now if these Davidians were unarmed "Christ loving Christians" who were praying and singing to the Lord, and they were all killed in a blaze of fire by jackboot uniformed thugs wearing a badge, of course it would have been an outrage and it would be even worse than what happened at Kent State.

Instead, these so called "Christians" with guns a blazin decided they wanted to fight a war and their children were expendable for the cause. They alone are responsible for the death of their children, and such people make me wretch, especially when sympathetic ideologues and religionists try to rationalize it away.

I hope you understand my position now.
22 months ago: Do we need government? yes. Do need a government on steroids? No. The business of governments is governing. The business of citizens should be to keep government from becoming the bloated mass of bureaucratic porkers that they always tend to become without constant vigilance. Unfortunately it seems in the U.S we have a government hot dog eating contest going on and half the country is lining up the hot dogs.
22 months ago: Great Post OOTB.

More cheese Kafka mom, the last serving was delicious.

22 months ago: Also, does anyone think they were being cleverly preemptive to further bolster the role of the IRS when a Fair Tax was being mentioned with regularity?
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: I could not agree more Greg. Just like health care and it being dragged through the mud the last few decades but we are conveniently presented with "Change".
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: HNN you are missing the point of OOTB's whole article. You chose to concentrate on the collecting taxes end of it and tie it into a conspiracy theory.

Here is what I got from it. You have a criminal man like Al Capone all the courts could get him on was tax evasion. Why is that? One could say Al Capone was a smart man that covered his tracks or one could say the IRS is very good at what they do.

Since then though we have seen a huge expanse of the IRS and the Federal Government. One could say well as the population rises we need to expand the Government and the IRS to "take care" of that many more citizens. Which at face value it does make complete sense but here is why that ideology falters in that we as citizens are taxed more than any other generation that preceded us and it will continue to increase. So the more taxes they levy the more workers they need to collect them.

Call it what you want but tax increases are coming down the pipeline and they are meant to target the majority and that is not aimed at the upper class. The middle and lower class is were the majority of the population in the United States is at. So you will see tax increases tailored to rob their earnings.

Think I am lying? Wait till they propose to increase the cap on Social Security. Just one example of how we as citizens will be working for less.
22 months ago: "You have a criminal man like Al Capone all the courts could get him on was tax evasion. Why is that? One could say Al Capone was a smart man that covered his tracks or one could say the IRS is very good at what they do."

Al Capone was caught by the Bureau of Prohibition, which is the predecessor to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, with the aid of the Bureau of Investigation (which became the FBI). Haven't you heard of Elliot Ness? Anyway, the fact that tax evasion was where they could finally get him doesn't mean it was the IRS itself that did it. The Bureau of Prohibition was under the auspices of the Treasury, but simplifying it to "the IRS did it" does history a disservice.

"Since then though we have seen a huge expanse of the IRS and the Federal Government. One could say well as the population rises we need to expand the Government and the IRS to "take care" of that many more citizens..."

More-or-less right so far.

"...Which at face value it does make complete sense but here is why that ideology falters in that we as citizens are taxed more than any other generation that preceded us and it will continue to increase. So the more taxes they levy the more workers they need to collect them."

Completely, ridiculously wrong. You do know we once had a 94% tax bracket, don't you? Yes, there was a time (1944-1945, to be specific) when all income above a certain amount was taxed at 94%. Have a gander: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/02inpetr....

"Call it what you want but tax increases are coming down the pipeline and they are meant to target the majority and that is not aimed at the upper class. The middle and lower class is were the majority of the population in the United States is at. So you will see tax increases tailored to rob their earnings."

When you say something like that, you have to be specific: Whose taxes precisely will go up, and by how much? And which part of the new law supports that contention? Please show your research.
22 months ago: Thanks for the history lesson. Thanks for tying all of those pre-IRS, BATF and FBI together. After your own post you still don't get it? No?
22 months ago: No. I don't "get it." Because I don't buy into your "guvmint's out to git me" hysteria. Looking around for unmarked black helicopters a hobby or a full-time passion, TCG?
22 months ago: I'm sure you will be standing in the FRONT of the line to catch the lead.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: What part of taxes are coming down the pipeline don't you get? I specifically said the futures taxes we will see. Their is no research to it or no data to be looked at. Taxes are coming and middle and lower class Americans will flip the bill once again but this time things will be different.
22 months ago: Ahh, so you've got the gift of prophecy. I'm sorry, but with every single reputable source of information making it blaringly clear that the new law will save money and reduce the deficit, I'm going to have to see the lower- and middle-class tax hikes to believe it.

Don't get me wrong, there are tax hikes in the law. For the rich.
22 months ago: Don't you mean the rich in your mind? Why don't you just get close enough for me to lay healing hands on you?
Out Of The Box
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22 months ago: http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-tax-hikes-government-health-a4658

Individual Mandate Excise Tax
Employer Mandate Tax
Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
Medicine Cabinet Tax
HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka "Special Needs Kids Tax"
Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers
Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI
Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike
Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals
Tax on Innovator Drug Companies
Tax on Health Insurers
Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D
$500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives
Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2
Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting


Noni, you know when the top bracket was 94%, what was the average sales tax? What was the gasoline tax?
what was the Medicare tax? Oops there wasn't a medicare tax.We aren't talking about the super rich here, paying 94% of their legally "reported" income. We are talking the average Joe, who works until April 16th every year before he realizes a dime. Did you know that Americans on average pay more in taxes than for housing, food, and clothing combined?
22 months ago: Ouch!! Excellent point Cypress. Government begets government begets government. As with this example we see that new agencies and bureaus have been springing fairly regularly over the years to help us solve our problems. Yet curiously when government intervenes to solve one problem two or three other problems develop from the government solution. It is my opinion that people kill each other and rob each other in the private sector, and businesses rip people off and take advantage of people due to greed, but only governments have the well tested ability to cheat, steal, rob and kill on an industrial scale plus produce laws which protect itself.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: The scam is alot like Health care you have wealthy Legislators trying to control the health and well being of the majority. Do you honestly think they can come up with a fair system that caters to the health and well being of a economic class of people they never experienced for themselves? No they can't and to top it all off they conveniently exempt themselves from partaking in the new "change".

"It is through your self made blindness you are blinded" quote by Scot D. Manaher aka scotmanster...
22 months ago: Hey Noni. Try stuffing a 1-800-Flowers order in that barrel and see what comes out. Hint: Fireworks with some Willie-P.
22 months ago: Some folks seem intentionally oblivious as to the nature of any organization, be it corporate, governmental, charitable...to increase in power.
Acting like government is the most benign of creatures is not only naive, but foolhardy.
ActiveInChange
ActiveInChange
Lafayette, LA
22 months ago: Good article TCG. The people that say you are "freaking out" unnecessarily are in the political matrix called the left right paradigm. Unfortunately they cannot see the whole picture. They only see that their team (political party) is winning this football game of politics. The republicans did the same thing with the PATRIOT Act.

The IRS is the strong arm of the crony government that steals money from the public to fund corruption and greed. Again, some people see that forcing others to pay for war and an expansive, empirical foreign policy is a good thing. Some people are also so blinded by their own greed that they think since they are getting FREE health care the government can do as they wish. Too bad that the reality of the situation is not free healthcare but a mandate to buy an overpriced, substandard product from a crony multinational corporation.

Convince half of the people that they have the power, and tyranny can be legally legislated by promising a fake security to the masses.

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