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NY State putting mom and pop stores out of business

Posted 23 months ago|15 comments|1,480 views
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scotmanster
With a recent trip to the local mom and pop country store I went to pick up a pack of cigarettes only to find out New York State is forcing these small stores out of business. With an ever increasing job crisis throughout NY State and across the nation, NY State is rushing to find ways to allocate money to extend unemployment benefits and prolong inevitable bankruptcy.

This crisis has hit close to home. NY State recently increased the licensing fees of all stores selling tobacco products. The total price per year for the tobacco license is over $2,500.00 to sell tobacco related products. These store owners also rely on the other small purchases that are made when customers purchase tobacco related products.

The tobacco licensing fees varies $1,000, $2,500 or $5,000 annually, depending on sales volume.

I usually go out of my way to support local small business because of the monopoly monoliths retail chain stores have on the community. The store owner related to me that tobacco sales made up a good portion of her business and she does not see how she will make ends meet and keep the store open because of the absurd cost for the yearly licensing fee.

If you are a NY legislator from Albany reading this I certainly do not expect to make sense or even understand on how your irrational decisions on the Floor are affecting thousands of small store across NY State. I have come to expect it from you and how disconnected you are to your constituents basic needs of making a honest living unlike yourself.

Please though with the check that We The People of New York State cut you each year please take a crash course in economics at the local community college because apparently you fell asleep at Yale and Harvard economics class. I warn you, if you don't you can bet you all will be voted out of office this coming election no matter what side of the isle your pretending to stand on.
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
23 months ago: We live in a corporate admiralty, commercial system type of government.

The corporation you call the city, county, state or federal government, is after all your money to repay the international bankers when they bought the Federal government.

The situation in the US is going to get worst and in the far future instead of the 75% of your pay checks that you pay in taxes, it will increase until we/you rebel.

That is why they built 800 fema concentration camps to house tax protesters.

Mind my words we are in for some very big changes soon.

If we don't control the Federal government, we will lose all our constitutional rights forever.

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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: How about if Albany let these stores diversify by legalizing Marijuana and allowing these stores to sell it along with tobacco products? I dare to say, it might not only keep these stores from closing but new stores would be opening.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Yea I know really people need to be doped up to deal with the realities of what is happening within our states. I call it nothing but an escape goat of having to deal with the reality of the life we live in.

Or you can be a clear headed thinker and voice against it or stop shopping at big chain stores and support local mom and pop establishments that need your business more than ever now.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Nicotone, THC - same general purpose - just two kinds of psychoactive dope. As for shopping, I support whoever gives me the best price on the same product. It's something to do with free market capitalism.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: "If we don't control the Federal government, we will lose all our constitutional rights forever."

I got off the federal reserve and federal government a few years ago let the rich that have a conscious worry about if the federal government oversteps it bounds. I do not have the money, time nor the influence to make the changes necessary to fix things at that level.

The power of the vote is still strong and that is were we must take a stand. It is so much easier to recruit people to actually get out and vote than to tell them lets take on the federal reserve which is absolute ludicrous unless you want black suits knocking at your door.

If they took our country through the lack of people voting then that is how we must take it back.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: "I support whoever gives me the best price on the same product. It's something to do with free market capitalism."

No that is not free market capitalism that is freedom of choice. I choose to shop at local mom and pop stores because I know retail chain can undercut their competition because they buy wholesale in huge lots.

The more you buy the cheaper the price of that product will be. That is why big store chains can easily undercut small store owners without feeling a loss and actually make money in the long run.

I worked for big store chains for a few years and know the ropes. Do you honestly think they go to small mom and pop stores to spy on their competition to compare prices? No they do not the go to other big store chains that are on a level playing field with them.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Nicotine is legal and THC is not in till that changes I don't see how it is relevant in this topic.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: For me, it's not about who I need to support and shopping isn't a charity or a social-political statement. It's about quality, price, convenience, and service. For example, there's a mom & pop gyro place nearby and I often eat there because it's far better than Subway although a little more expensive. There's also a couple of of mom and pop chinese take-outs, and they suck - I end up going to Panda Express.

I know that Marijuana is illegal in most places - that's why I suggested making it legal and treating it no different than Cigs and Booze. It would definitely help those small shops.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: I hear you there.
23 months ago: It's only illegal if you don't have a MARIJUANA TAX STAMP.

At its inception the United States encouraged the agricultural production of hemp for its tensile strength in making cloth, ropes and sails and it wasn't until after WW2 that the US stopped licensing farmers to grow hemp and 1969 before its taxation ended.

The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 classified marihuana a controlled substance and imposed an annual occupational tax on medical practitioners requiring them to display a Special tax stamp to prescribe marijuana products. Needless to say most doctors and dentists stopped using products covered by this law.

In 2004 the National Postal Museum deaccessioned a large holding of revenue stamps that included a group with a marijuana overprint that were never officially issued for use by the IRS.

Go figure. IRS and U.S. Postal.
23 months ago: Normally when the fees go up the price also goes up to cover the fee increase. No store, mom and pop or big retail chain will sell it's money maker at a loss, they will make their profit margin on it and a huge profit margin on other things. There might be a "loss leader" advertised to bring in customers, but you can bet they will maked a killing on the other items shoppers will buy to get the sale item.

Your story about the owner who doesn't know how she'll make ends meet is just another smoke screen from a store owner who knows quite well how well her ends are being met.

Show me the books proving she is losing money or it's like I said, smoke.

I'm all for legalizing marijuana and all other natural drugs and possilby some that aren't so natural, as long as the price is not sent through the roof by taxes just to limit use. Education and moderation.
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Six you have no idea or clue how a store is run and how you must keep your products at a fair value or else they will go else. So please save your smoke screen arguement for a politician that speaks the same bull**** as you are.

23 months ago: Gee scot, never knew you knew me personally and could make such a statement about my knowledge, experience and ability to understand the retail market.

You don't have a clue what I do or do not know how to do.

Show me a store, mom and pop or big chain that does not make a profit on it's main item and I'll show you an out of business store. Didn't say it had to be a huge profit, but no one, NO ONE sells something at a loss without making it up somewhere. (Hint, if it isn't making a profit, it isn't the "main item")
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: Your thinking along the line of how a chain store sells its products with little or no regard to the customer. A mom and pop store does not have that luxury because their customers come directly from the community they live in. Their is such a thing as you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Unlike a chain store you are simply just a dollar figure. If one chain store is making a loss they can recoup the sales with another store 50 miles away. The differences between a mom and pop store vs chain store is immense in size, Right down to the price of sales sticker and how much the stickers cost between the two.

It is that difference you fail to recognize how a tobacco licensing fee raise can hurt small mom and pop stores. My point if they can no longer make money on that product which in her case she can not, then she does not have to recoup the sales else where because it is considered a loss period. Nor does she have unlimited items and resources to take that loss unlike large chain stores.

Your philosophy is raise a price of an item and all is done,nothing here worth reading. Well that is the same philosophy I hear our legislators making on the floor. You should go and take a economic course and while your at it a small business course to boot.

Now if you were to come in and say give a tax break to small business owners that sell x amount of products and less I would be cheering you on. But here you say it is nothing but a smoke screen? Give me a break...
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: The funny thing about this all I have never taken a economics course or a small business course but I managed to run two small businesses in the past and hold a full time job at the same time.

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