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Posted 25 months ago|46 comments|715 views
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
In the attached story a document that was purported to be proof that Iran was developing Nuclear Weapons, has been proven to be a fictitious by US intelligence. They suspect the forgery was made by Israel.
One of the reasons that they think the document is a forgery is that it was published in The Times of London, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

"The Rupert Murdoch chain has been used extensively to publish false intelligence from the Israelis and occasionally from the British government," a CIA counterterrorism official said.

The Times is part of a Murdoch publishing empire that includes the Sunday Times, Fox News and the New York Post. All Murdoch-owned news media report on Iran with an aggressively pro-Israeli slant.

The Murdoch publishing empire was also aggressive in its publication of false information that got us into the Iraq war and they are currently aggressively publishing false information about the health care bill, and energy legislation.

I think it is interesting that the Murdoch publishing empire is used so often to spread propaganda, lies, and distortions, that the U.S. Intelligence service considers anything published by them to be questionable.

Fair and Balanced? Really?

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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: Well consider that the very, very, very, very rich have agendas to control the world and start wars, make mutated foods, foods poisoned with arsenic, full of toxic chemicals etc. and etc..

And then you will have a clue why we are in such bad shape globally.

The international bankers and the other super rich have the same agendas.

We are their pawns, their puppets,and un-knowingly their slaves.

The chess board starts down from the KINGS AND QUEENS, and goes down to the courts, attorneys and down to us.

The people above us are their soldiers and controllers.

We THE AMERICAN PEOPLE are at the very bottom.

They want and make profits only when we fight each other or fight other people, based upon their lies.

They make profits when we volunteer to pay taxes.

They make profits because some will never learn the truth of the true causes of our problems and who they are.

Until we learn who our real enemies are, we will all suffer and never escape being their corporate slaves.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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25 months ago: True enough its extemism but it sounds like no consideration is being given to the three C's networks who without question are and have for 30 years been very biased in their own right. So yet again my belief that truth seems to be unattainable is substanciated which I am sorry for. White or black, hot or cold, either or, what no warm. Remember the only grey in the universe that man is aware of exists soley between his ears.
amishking
amishking
 Moderator
Auburn, NY
25 months ago: Can you explain why Murdock is so pro Israel? I am not getting the reason why he is doing this.
Thanks.
25 months ago: Well there is a question, or for that matter why is anyone pro or con Israel? I'll not express my personal view on the subject because I don't have enough of one to express. Anyway without getting too biblical on you my observation would be if one believes "God is" and indeed favors the Israelites as his chosen race, then simply put you join the strongest team, on the other hand it has been said that the Israelies have always been monied so maybe its a financial thing or maybe the guy just wants to align himself with the underdog, what do you do?
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: "They make profits when we volunteer to pay taxes."

Try not to pay your taxes TRH and you will soon have black suits at your door carrying guns. I believe in some of what you are saying but not that quote. Telling people not to pay their taxes will get them in alot of trouble you know that I know that as a fact. Stop pretending you are not in the same boat as the rest of us. When someone does not pay their taxes their are severe repercussions.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: If you want people to take you seriously then please stop with the nonsense "you can get away without ever having to pay taxes". You pay taxes everytime you walk into a store and buy a loaf of bread. If you own a business and you try and circumvent paying taxes you will get caught. Those are facts.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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25 months ago: Altruist,

So you're citing two far left, err progressive websites for your supposed newsflash and you're calling Fox out?
Pot, Kettle?

As much as the religious right slavishly supports Israel, we also know that the far left demonizes Israel at every opportunity.

How about giving us some real balance?
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Here is a good avatar for you mark :)

http://doubleawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/****-hole-get-it.jpg
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Opps posted this in the wrong article...
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: scotmanster

Since you don't know these facts, I can see why you are saying these things.

If you have any knowledge at all of Sovereignty issues, You would know that paying taxes is a voluntary issue created in fraud.

You volunteer each time to pay and never get your taxes back.

When we pay taxes, we get them back under HJR 192 and Public law 73-10.

You are a corporate subject, federal subject, artificial entity and subject to pay.

You are subject to statutes and I am not. I am only subject to positive law certified as proven under the constitution, and not color of law statutes or case law or judge made law.

When I pay, I file as a sovereign and thru my groups get it back.

You are a slave and I am a free man.

Does this help?

The word slave was not meant as an insult, but a fact of life when you really know the facts.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: "When I pay, I file as a sovereign and thru my groups get it back."

What groups?
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Let me get this you are a quote "American" circumventing the tax code and you want to think me to think you are some type of patriot. When in reality you are circumventing the very system you hold so dearly. Makes sense to me... Do you even live in the United States that comprises of 50 states?
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: No better than the greedy politicians that are doing the same thing, stealing from us.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Scot,

I can't use your self-portrait for my avatar. *TWEET* *TWEET*

Good choice though on using the Gadsen flag as your avatar. It's too bad that the religious right believes that the serpant is a symbol for Satan otherwise the Gadsen flight might have become our official flag.

I'm glad to see you're bucking fundamentalist religious convention.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Well you know I am not an extremist I am a realist. I don't think symbols are anymore harmless than a picture of Christ.

"I can't use your self-portrait for my avatar. *TWEET* *TWEET*"

Haha I am glad you found good humor in it Mark because I did get a laugh when you posted your suggestion for my avatar.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: scotmanster:

The system or corporation you call the IRS, belongs to the corporation called the Federal Reserve, which is NOT a government agency, it belongs to the international Monetary Fund and to the World Bank.

This whole country belongs to foreigners. We don't avoid taxes, they were discharged under HJR 192 and public law 73-10.

But it would be too long to educate you on this.

Just know this --- I am ALLOWED by the corporations we call our government to get my money back.

ALL LEGAL and lawful.

You have nothing like the rights I have. You have to do as you are told by EVERYONE. And I can do so much more and have more protections, even against a judge and any attorney.

From here on, go to sovereignty websites for more eduction.

Maybe someday you too will be free.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Your talking about a tax write off then? Your right your groups you belong to can write off many things and not be taxed on them does not me you don't have to file with the IRS just means your optimizing your taxes.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Ronbot,

I'd figure you for somebody who swallows tax avoidance scams, ala Eddie Kahn's HJR 192, section 861 nonsense.

You do realize that Wesley Snipes drank that same tax cheating Kool-Aid scam, and look what happened to him not to mention his Kool-Aid provider Kahn was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

The scammers always say it's legal and lawful even as they're carted off to a federal prison. What's next Ronbot? Got some homeopathic snake oil to sell or maybe some Art Bell UFO pictures?
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Here is the scheme TRH is referring to..

http://www.mhrn.org/newsarchive/1199redem.html
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Scot,

That's a good find and I hope TRH isn't actually playing those kind of games. Otherwise he might end up as another Rant Rave disappearing act unless they allow him to surf the web in prison.

MARKBYRN *TWEET* *TWEET*
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: scotmanster , markbyrn You are too nutty cute

We do NOT do "tax write off and optimizing your taxes".

Again you are NUTS to think these things.

There were or are some untrained foolish lone wolves out there, that read a few books and got in trouble by not getting approval.

We do NOT cheat on Taxes, we do not do anything illegal or unlawful. You are NUTS to claim that we do.

What you are claiming in your fraudulent statement or false accusation is that I belong to these types of groups. http://www.mhrn.org/newsarchive/1199redem.html.

Those were idiots that never got government approval in the first place, they got what they deserved and so did Wesley Snipes.

To get to be a REAL SOVEREIGN takes more than eight months of filings with 17 government agencies and waiting for them to accept your hundreds of documents.

They done everything backwards. They were never trained and never were true sovereigns.

No one without government approval gets their money back. You are nuts to think these things.

The 17 agencies checks all your records, everything since you were a boy completely, and you can't be a bad guy or red flags will come up.

YES! There are criminals out there taking the money from people that want the power, want the rights that ONLY we have.

By checking out many groups, and waiting to have knowledge, is the only safe way to find the support that a true sovereign needs.

Since you are NUTS you will never be free.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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25 months ago: C'mon guys I believe everybody here and in general want to do or pay their fair share. Problem is what is that? and how is it determined? ask yourself this honestly, exactly what has in my life the federal and maybe state gvments actually done other than DOT infrastucture and the military with the money you've paid in over the years to enhance your life? The question about taxes isn't whether we contribute to the national kitty or not its what do they do with it, THEY PAY THEMSELVES WITH IT. I have a lot of trouble with folks blindly trusting poor stewardship, blatant abuse and hippocracy. I have first hand knowledge of an example in fact this is standard operating procedure for local, state and federal including military budget development, in the county which I live population 250k there are several warehouses full of equipment tractors, dump trucks, computers etc. that in some cases 4 years old not needed but bought so the respective divisions budget wouldn't be reduced and currently has 25% more manpower than they need same reason. This is the kinda thing that needs to be addressed you want to balance the budget and pay your fair share, sure well get rid of this bullsht. I've operated a small business for 24 years no chance could I be this wasteful or inefficient and last for 3 months. This is a real question I don't know how to verify it but I heard the other day seriously, the AVERAGE wage for gvmnt employees is at $71k a year this seems awfully high to be real but on the other hand there is a lot of managers.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Engima, I'm only taking TRH at his word that's he become a so called 'real sovereign' by eight months of filings with 17 government agencies and now 'legally' doesn't pay taxes. That's got scam written all over it and I'm sure somebody is making some money selling the 'secret'.

Now as to your observations about government waste and bloat, I concur but if you think you're going to slay the government beasts (local, state, and federal) by not paying taxes, good luck staying out of the pokey or you better have some huge bank and pay an army of lawyers and accountants to loophole you out. Even than, the taxman will usually get a pound of flesh.

TRH, does your 'real sovereign' passport allow you to not pay local and state taxes as well? I'm paying $12.00 a month in tax just to yak to you on this computer and having to use Brighthouse only adds insults to injury.

Are you going to freely share this tax free nirvana secret with us or do you have to be a member of the The Ancient Order of the Culdees of Iona to get these mystical insights?
25 months ago: So Al.

Does that mean you are anti semite?
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: Markbyrn-Are you for real? Or do you not know how to read?

I pay taxes, but get them back legally and lawfully. What word do you know understand?

There is NO scam, only the one in your head.

Millions of people want to be sovereigns for the power, safety and rights that we have.

Many apply each day, and crooks take advantage of them, because they hurry and don't take their time to check, who they are dealing with.

You can't be a sovereign with an attitude like that.

Now if you just want to intentionally lie, after you have gotten my answer then do so. I will treat you accordingly.

Now stop that crap and read it exactly as I stated.

We comply with the law, and get benefits that only free people have.

You are a corporate slave under the eyes of the corporate government.

I don't expect you to believe anything I say, because it looks like, you can't ever accept the facts.

As a Sovereign you never go broke, have more protection under the law,can take a judge's and an attorney's bonds away and make him find a job in Wal-Mart.

I would never want to go back and be a Federal Subject.

LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: I don't know about the details of Ronbot's sovereignty status, but I do know he telling the truth. I can also tell you this, without revealing any details, which I won't. The Income Tax is voluntary. By filling out that first return, usually when you are in high school, and looking to get back the chump change you paid in, you have volunteered to join the Income Tax system. This obligates you for five years.
Another way out of the system. Max out your dependents so the IRS withholds as little as possible. Do not file a return that year. It is not illegal to not file, it is only illegal to file a false return.

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=108330,00.html
"What Will Happen If You Don't File Your Past Due Return or Contact the IRS


It's important to understand the ramifications of not filing a past due return and the steps that the IRS will take. Taxpayers who don't file a past due return or contact the IRS are subject to the following:

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Penalties and Interest will be assessed and will increase the amount of tax due.
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The IRS will file a substitute return for you. But this return is based only on information the IRS has from other sources. Thus, if the IRS prepares this substitute return, it will not include any additional exemptions or expenses you may be entitled to and may overstate your real tax liability.
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Once the tax is assessed the IRS will start the collection process, which can include placing a levy on wages or bank accounts or filing a federal tax lien against your property.
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Even if the IRS has already filed a substitute return, it still makes sense for you to file your own return to make sure you take advantage of all the exemptions, credits, and deductions you are allowed. The IRS will generally adjust your account to reflect the correct figures."
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Once they begin the collection process, Which they will assess against you at the single, no deductions rate. Pay the man.

After five years of you not signing a return, which is a document that can be used against you in a court of law, therefore it is unconstitutional to force you to sign one, Anyway, after five years of doing this, they will no longer prepare your return for you, and you are free of your obligation.
Believe it or not, I know this to be fact.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: It is funny not anywhere did I see someone explain the full process? Why are you all unwilling to finish off the debate if you think you are in the right, then simply explain the whole procedure here? Otherwise your looking like your guilty of tax evasion. If it is not breaking the law then you should have no quames with posting it here...but that is the thing I think your just scamming the system and your lack of telling the full process proves it. It is one thing to really care about your country and want to protest it but when you start breaking laws to do it then you are no different than a scam artist.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Either way you are paying taxes OOTB whether you file or not, which honestly it would be stupid if you did not. But no one gets away with taxes being withheld from their paychecks they take home each week. We all have to pay TAX! Whether it is state sales tax, property tax or what have you...TRH is in his own little mythical world....
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: My whole point being I sure as hell don't like the way our system is setup and has evolved but I will not circumvent it or dodge out of paying tax because I am disgruntled about it. If you are not paying your taxes and your using a loophole in the system. Then in my opinion you have no say of where this country is heading. You are the reason why this country is the way it is. Greed can come in many forms not only do we have politicians that are willing to propel agendas for their own prosperity, but we have people blatantly abusing bankruptcy law. I know for a fact my uncle has filed bankruptcy over 5 times in his life. He maxes out all his credit cards and purposely uses the system for his own gains..That is why the system is the way it is because of people and their greed. They think that the system owes them something. Instead of dodging and circumventing why don't people stand with the true patriots that want to permanently fix it not abuse it. It is a discussion about ethics.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: I did explain the whole process. After five years of you not filing a return, they will quit filing a substitute return on your behalf. Notice on the website I quoted there is no mention of any criminal charges being filed, only interest and penalties. They are counting on you trying to get as much back as you can each year, thereby keeping you in the system for another five years each time you file. Once you quit filing, they have five years of you paying them at the single, no deductions rate, plus penalties and interest.
How much money you volunteer to them after that is up to you.

http://www.pulitzer.org/archives/6393

Also consider the fact that forms exist for people who do not wish to register with Social Security and get numbered, and can still hold a job and get paid.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: Scot,

Your last comment was a home run and it really does come down to one's personal character & ethics.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Scotman,
We see eye to eye on most things, but I have to disagree with you here. I refuse to work Monday, Tuesday, and most of Wednesday before I even see a dime. I do not use the child tax credit that I am entitled to, and never have. I do not itemize and try to squeeze every dime I can back out of the money I have lent the government interest free.
I do not cheat on my taxes, and I never have. I pay my fair share, and then some, considering I know people that pay in $600 and get back $6000. Surrendering my property and income in large chunks is not what I would call being patriotic.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Considering this country was created by people protesting high taxes, where does that leave the ethics sentiment?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: OOTB,

Indeed you are right but the primary grievance of the British colonists was the issue of taxation without representation, and of course that was the genesis of the Boston Tea Party. As I see it, that was an ethical breach that spelled the beginning of the end for the British Empire.

Unless you live in a Washington, DC and don't have an elected representative in Congress, I presume you do vote for a Congressional representative, and they in turn vote to raise your federal taxes. Same at the state and local level, right?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Aye Mark,
You are correct. And the same representatives you mentioned also uphold the laws which are in place under which I operate my voluntary contributions to the income tax. I dare say I pay more in income tax than 70% of the population, and am glad to do so. I am merely stating the fact. If you feel that blindly giving away your money (translated: time, freedom) to be wasted makes you more patriotic or more ethical, then feel free to do so.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: OOTB,

I'm referring to TRH's Kool-Aid talk about getting all his tax back under HJR 192 and Public law 73-10, and his bragging about how he's a free man and we're a slave. There's are three possibilities being discussed here. Paying nothing, paying your fair share, and blindly giving away your money.

I think paying your fair share is the ethical choice and if you're using some kind of legal process to not pay anymore than your fair share, that's fine and I salute you.

If you're scamming to pay nothing nothing, I think you're on par with Scot's Uncle.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: "Considering this country was created by people protesting high taxes, where does that leave the ethics sentiment?"

I agree the Boston tea party occurred because the British colonists did not agree with the taxation. But their ethics is a prime example and primary tool to invoke the change that was needed. That spark was needed to set in motion the fight for freedom. It boils down to their reaction, they could have in all possibility subverted Britain and smuggled their tea out. This would have lead to them not having to deal with the rule of law they were under. Instead they decided to deal with it head on. Imagine if George Washington actions of being angered to the point of fighting over taxation instead just smuggle out his goods avoiding high taxes? No it was his ethics and the ethics of many others like him that formed this great country.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: markbyrn:

You guys are not just any kind of slave, but a corporate slave of the Corporate State and Corporate Federal Governments.

I was not an insult, but the way these corporations view all of you regular guys.

They assume and presume that you guys volunteered to be their corporate slave or Federal Subject, when you apply for any licensing or bank account, etc., in which you admit to be a US citizen, which is their way of getting you to admit you are a corporate Federal Subject.

That is how regular people are viewed by the corporate courts, and therefore under their jurisdiction.

There are many things that are hidden from the American People, by these corporations.

If the news media published these facts, we would all know the truth.

But since 1933, we Sovereigns had to struggle to reclaim our rights, that we were supposed to have under the Common Law.

If you guys would ask questions instead of making false accusations, you would learn more about the truth.

TAXES ARE VOLUNTARY, but regular people don't know how to get back a penny and get back their rights.

We still pay taxes, but have rights under the remedies allowed to ONLY us.

You lost rights you never even thought you were supposed to have.

Our Republic was sold out to the International bankers, and in return they gave us some remedies. The one about taxes, is the ability to DISCHARGE YOUR DEBTS.

That is just one benefit that we have.

There are many more.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Ronbot, you are absolutely correct. The truth has been hidden behind the guise of nutjob conspiracy theories, many of which I believe are continued deliberately by those wishing to conceal the truth, namely, the corporate banks. They want people to think they must be crazy if they buy into all this "freedom" hogwash.

Scotman
In the days of 1773, the protesters, some disguised as Native Americans, and under cover of darkness, destroyed the cargo of three ships that belonged to private corporations, not England, not the colonies. The difference between then and now is millions of words of obfuscatory legalese. These were also people that had come up the hard way, and were willing to put everything on the line for their beliefs. They also had a chance in a fair fight with the ruling government.

My point in excluding myself from any legal bonds to the tax system, by not signing paperwork that obligates me to future usury, is that I now have a bargaining chip.

I can, if need be, withhold my voluntary payments.

If more Americans would do the same, we would see a change in government one way or the other. Either we would see a more responsible government, that collectively realizes it is spending the money of the people it is supposed to represent,

or we would see a government that reveals its true nature, as that of one controlled by despotic corporations and international bankers.
25 months ago: Yo Ronbot, a fine choice of quotes, for me anyway for I bear the surname and lineage of the author proudly, afortia afortium (strong deeds of strong men) and they were all of them truly that, our forefathers. However whether one has taken personal legal steps to not be forced as you implied accurately scotman by men in black suits and guns key word here guns to provide them with their paychecks, for me isn't addressing how to make these people accountable for backroom deals and the classic wealth redistribution that has happend from the git go. One says hell vote em out, yeah sure except it looks like we are at that place where enough of the voters realize they can vote themselves stipends and favoritism from the gvmnt. This maybe be an oh sht moment. So at the end of the day obviously its about money, thats your leverage how to use it remains unclear and I have not suggested that one shouldn't pay there fair share. Remember these people have set it up so they actually have to vote themselves out of a pay raise, huh?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
25 months ago: OOTB,

Since you're riding TRH's coattails but sound a little less irrational, I did a few minutes more research. The following tax scams debunking web site is well documented and actually cites law and court cases as precedent.

If the IRS takes you to court one day, jumping on the soapbox and reciting American history isn't going to save you.

The first link to check addresses your absurd notion of 'voluntary' and the 2nd link is the top level link to address the myriad of tax scams, and I especially enjoyed the Exhibit on Tax Protester Dummies.

1. The Tax Scam Artist's Lie: The filing of a tax return is voluntary.

http://www.quatloos.com/taxscams/federal_income_tax_system.htm#filingVoluntary

2. Tax Scams

http://www.quatloos.com/tax_scams.php

And just for fun, I'll cite an ancient historical figure who you might regard as a spiritual authority, and he was asked about paying taxes to a corrupt earthly government:

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: That first link well you can't really argue that.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Your right you can discharge your debts TRH and that is through bankruptcy.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
25 months ago: scotmanster:

Through bankruptcy is YOUR ONLY way, but not mine.

We have many ways to discharge our debts, but you as a corporate entity, federal subject have only the slave's way.

You are limited in your rights and benefits and not us.

But again you won't believe any thing I say, so what's the use.

Just know this, I am proud and lucky to be a Sovereign American National, and would never want to be in your shoes again.


Happy New Year to you all.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Obfuscatory legalese.

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