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Michael Jackson: Jehovah Witness Beliefs

Posted 31 months ago|267 comments|23,236 views
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celebcrazy
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Michael Jackson’s parents are part of the Jehovah's Witnesses – Michael Jackson’s mother, Katharine, is said to be particularly observant.

Michael Jackson himself was supposedly a Jehovah Witness during most, if not all, of his life. According to one source, Michael Jackson was publicly proclaiming his adherence to the Jehovah Witness beliefs, as recent as four years ago.

But what is a Jehovah’s Witness funeral like?

Jehovah Witnesses believe that nothing in a person survives death, including the soul. So Michael Jackson’s funeral would be short (15-30 minutes). Jehovah's Witnesses believe that death is a state of non-existence with no consciousness. They do not believe in a glorious Heaven or a fiery Hell.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that death is a state of non-existence with no consciousness. They do not believe in any Hell of fiery torment.

Also:

- Many believe that Satan runs the world, and God is watching to see what humans will do.
- Their morals reflect conservative Christian values.
- Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusion.

Jackson family members probably aren't worried about heaven and hell, because Jehovah's Witnesses hope to just be in paradise on earth.

Just look at these lyrics from “Heaven Can Wait.” Since Michael Jackson, Jehovah Witness, wrote them, they make more sense.

"If the angels come for me I'd tell them no. Me sitting up in the clouds and you are all alone. What good would heaven be?"
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31 months ago: The Jehovah's Witnesses messed him up in the first place!

Michael Jackson was disfellowshipped/disassociated/excommunicated from the Jehovah's Witnesses and the wordage all mean the same thing.

It means that the JW consider MJ CONDEMENED eternally dammed which was easy for them to do when he was getting all the bad press,NOW they don't want the general public to know about it.

JW cult lie and lie and lie....they call it 'theocratic warfare' don't get mixed up with them.
10 months ago: I like how this quickly turned in to a hate forum/post against Jehovahs Wittnesses and no one seems to mention the alleged abuse that his parents put him and his siblings through.

The career path they were shoved through and the stress put on them to succeed secularly as children clearly indicates that their parents were not Jehovahs wittnesses that follow the bible.

And you are wrong, JWs do not consider MJ condemed, they beileve in what the bible says that once you die you are asleep and it is only Jehovah God that through his mercy and justice knows if he is going to bring you back.

Jehovahs Wittness do not try to cover up the fact that they regularly put UNREPENTANT people out of the organization.

What that means is that the person has to not care about what they did or are doing that goes against bible standards. A person like that shows a lack of love for their fellow brother and does not care if they are reflecting poorly on Gods name.
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10 months ago: Domokun - I may have posted hastily before.

What is a Jehovah's Witness according to your definition? I really want to know.
6 months ago: 3 months and no response so far. I guess you are not that solid in your beliefs here you can actually discuss them with someone who may beg to differ.

That's too bad. Having an answer for those who have a desire hear is the mark of spiritual maturity. Hopefully one day you will find out the truth and have that assurance.

"they beileve in what the bible says that once you die you are asleep and it is only Jehovah God that through his mercy and justice knows if he is going to bring you back."

BTW - that is not biblical. You have you shot at salvation NOW. If you wait until you are dead you have waited too long.
6 months ago: Anno, Sumimasen Newton-san,

I did not know you were waiting for a reply from me since I usually do not reply to baited statements such as :

" guess you are not that solid in your beliefs "

"...the mark of spiritual maturity. "

"that is not biblical. You have you shot at salvation NOW"

and the others you left for me.

Temo, since you seem in earnest I will only address the last statement.

Psalm 146:3,4

 3 Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.
 4 His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish.


Ecclesiastes 9:5

. 5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.

(watashi ,me) So the dead are conscious of nothing according to the bible.

Jehovah's witnesses do no beilve in 'once saved always saved' I dont know if that was what you were meaning or not. We beilive we can work towards it right now and it is a continued effort, every day. (Zephaniah 2:2,3)

"the wages sin pays is death." (Romans 6:23) Dying itself is the result of sin, the price we have to pay for Adam & Eve's wrong course. Why is God going to continue to punish us after we die? That would mean his standards are lower then mans and sadistic. ( How some think there is eternal punishiment hellfire)

The second part of that verse in Romans gives us hope and faith in the Ransom sacerfice of his son Jesus Christ.

True if the end of this system comes this second & we are not doing Gods will then there is a good chance we wont make it. We will be destroyed. But if we are worshiping in truth & spirit John 4:24 he will be merciful for only he knows the heart & what motivates us.

Its a case of different view points and understanding thats all. You have your beliefs I have mine. No big deal.
6 months ago: Thanks for responding.

I will be writing a piece shortly on Jehovah's Witnesses and the Bible. I would sincerely appreciate your input.

Thanks again,
Huey
31 months ago:
Jehovah's Witnesses an evolved religion invented in the late 1800s by a man who was into occultism pyramidology, numerology, and who stood on the top of a building with a white sheet waiting to be raptured. 130 years later, they are still awaiting a false hope.

This JW group is dangerous in my opinion. Someone in my family is a member of that cult and is not allowed to associate with her birth family until said family is assimilated into the cult with her.

That demonstrates to me that the JW's aren't interested in family at all, they just want more members. Not a good group to belong to but those are my thoughts on it.
31 months ago: The Watchtower cult really fast quickie

Came into existence to proclaim Jesus second coming in 1914 which would be the …..well second coming so the end of the world right.

Nothing happened in 1914 except WW1 and of course they had/have a whole spin on how Jesus REALLY DID return in 1914 but invisibly just like in "emperor’s new clothes".
NOW the Watchtower cult cooked up the ‘generations’ thingy saying that the end of the world is still gonna come but will happen in a your/mine ‘generation’ lifetime.

NOW all devout followers work their **** off to door knock and warn the wicked save the meek and ‘contribute all your valuable things to ’Jehovah’ aka his ‘earthly organization’ the Watchtower Society corporation.

NOW advance to the 21st century 2009 and most of the old timers who gave everything to the Watchtower corporation including their retirement funds are dead and cannot speak out about their dreams dashed and their assets plundered.

2009 the obnoxious watchower is in a defense posture attacking anyone who speaks out and the cult is just loaded with bogus shills for their snake oil.

Grow old and die all JW’s just like us non believers bye bye

http://www.jwfiles.com/
Cult Buster
Cult Buster
Greensboro, NC
31 months ago: Problems in the Watchtower



We have a policy, the Watchtower say

That protects our children every day

Yet the cries of thousands of children are heard

From the abuse they’ve suffered in the Watchtower world

The situation may cause one to reflect

Just who the Watchtower’s policy is designed to protect

For what seems to take precedent in any situation

Is protecting the Watchtower’s reputation

This, it seems, is more worthwhile

Than the safety of an innocent child



We are no part of the world, the Watchtower said

The political rulers will soon be dead

Those who support them will have to pay

With their lives when Jehovah brings his day

Even the UN, with all its mighty power

Will be destroyed in Armageddon’s hour

Yet the Watchtower aligned itself with the UN

As an NGO, like the ones they condemn

Their association they kept concealed

And resigned when their secret was finally revealed


Cult Buster
Cult Buster
Greensboro, NC
31 months ago:
Come to Bethel, the Watchtower says

Work for Jehovah the rest of your days

We pay very little, but you will never regret

Coming here, as your needs will be met

So many young people heeded the call

And whatever the task, they gave it their all

They didn’t worry, for they never once thought

That their time at Bethel would ever be cut short

Now many are gone, cut off without a care

And probably wishing that they’d never gone there



Show zeal for the ministry is the Watchtower’s call

Serve Jehovah forever, give him your all

Don’t go to college, for Armageddon is so near

Make pioneering your only career

Many responded to the Society’s plea

And willingly gave of themselves for free

But as the years have passed, and Jehovah’s promised day

Has seemed to get further and further away

Although the Watchtower still makes its demands

Many of it’s followers now ignore its commands



What prevents you from getting baptised?

It’s an adult decision though, only you can decide

You may be young, but don’t leave it too late

If we teach you from birth, by the time you are eight

We’ll start to pressure you this step to take

As the Watchtower’s truth your own you make

But once baptised you must never sway

You must serve Jehovah until your dying day

For if you ever begin to show any doubt

From your friends and family we’ll cast you out
31 months ago: If you want to know how Michael Jackson REALLY felt about being a Jehovah's Witness, he wrote an essay at Beliefnet. In short, he LOVED it.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2000/12/My-Childhood-My-Sabbath-My-Freedom.aspx?p=1
JWElder
JWElder
Beverly Hills, CA
31 months ago: Elephant in the room (aside from MJ's "alleged" pedophilia, of course): The entire African-American entertainment community,Jehovah's Witnesses and even the political establishment is rallying around Michael Jackson.
And yet, MJ, perhaps more than any other celebrity/public figure you can name, spent his life essentially trying to deny his race - whitening his skin, straightening his hair, having surgery to create a "Caucasian" nose, having more surgery to remove other African-American facial features, reproducing with a white woman so that his children would be mixed race.

Why is nobody talking about this messed up Jehovah's Witness?



31 months ago: I blame Amish King for starting this.
Great! Another cult invasion. Now we can enjoy reading the tripe from Hubbard and Russell.

31 months ago: Mmmm. . .I Remember Reading That Article On BeliefNet Before - Very Interesting.

He Said When He Was A Witness They Were The Happiest Days Of His Life.

I Would Hardly Say His Religious Upbringing Messed Him Up In Any Way. . .He Wasn't Kicked Out. . .
He Himself Often Said That He Simply Stopped Attending Their Meetings In 1991, And In More Recent Years, Circa 2004/2005 Onwards Continued To Be A Witness...
And Wished His Kids To Be Brought Up In The Religion. . .

Evidently There Was No Amnositiy Between Him And The Religion. . .He Was Buried As A Member. . .And As He Quite Often Said (Even In That Article),
Jehovah's Witnesses Are Some Of The Only People Who Treat And View Everyone As Equal (Prominent Theme In Many Of His Songs). . .
So They Wouldn't Have Just Allowed It Because He Was Michael Jackson, They'd Have Allowed A Witness Funeral Because He Was A Witness At The Point Of His Death.


And Seriously Some People Need To Get Their Facts Right. . .JW's Can Chat To Anyone, Whatever There Religion. . . They Wouldn't Shun The Rest Of Their Family Because They Don't Follow The Same Beliefs As Them . . . They Go On Doors Talking To Everyone Of All Races, Religion And Creeds. And Myself And Many People Respect Them For Doing That.

The Only Family Members They Would Stop Associating With With Be Ones Who Had Done Something Strongly Against Their Strong Biblical Principals And Refused To Show Any Remorse.

RIP Mj.x
31 months ago: The negative influence of the teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses on Michael and his family have been either downplayed or totally ignored for as long as the Jackson Family has received public attention. For those readers who really want to know what life is like to be reared in the WatchTower Cult, nothing beats real world scenarios, and of real world scenarios, nothing beats actual civil and criminal court cases.

The following website summarizes 900 court cases and lawsuits involving children of Jehovah's Witness Parents. The summaries demonstrate how JW Families rear their children and live life day-to-day. Also included are nearly 400 CRIMINAL cases -- most involving MURDERS:

DIVORCE, BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS, AND OTHER LEGAL ISSUES AFFECTING CHILDREN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

jwdivorces.bravehost.com
31 months ago: Stand stil....,
for all ex Jehovah wittneses you all Know exactly why you are so bitter twards the Truth.
it was Michael Jacksons Swaying away from his true belifs that caused him sadness during his life.
31 months ago: Redemption...,
31 months ago: Jehovah Witnesses beliefs are based solely on the bible. So if you believe in the bible you most certainly believe in the same beliefs of Jehovah Witnesses. As far as the not accepting any blood or blood products, so what that is what the bible teaches for one and it is no different than refuses any other medical procedure. Jehovah Witnesses still deal with family members who aren't witnesses but just like any other person would not deal with a person that is a criminal or steals, abuse drugs, etc niether would a Jehovahs Witness. Social Deviants are not people I would associate with anyhow, witness or not. As far as being disfellowship or shunned, it all boils down down to good and bad association. If you had a child who was dealing with a person of poor moral conduct you would not want your child to associate with them, the same thing goes for Witnesses. The bible says bad association spoils useful habits. The focus is on Michael Jackson, and to be honest his more normal times was prior to the 90s when he still associated his self with the witnesses. The truth and facts can not be debated.
31 months ago: .... Oh one other thing, they don't ask for money simply donations, the elders do not get paid for their services,. They have regular jobs on top of their duties at the hall. They also provide free home bible studies for all who want to learn the bible.
31 months ago: I wonder if any one of the Jackson family was able to attend any of the days of this summers 2009 distric convention,
its what the doctor ordered,and it would be of healing for there hearts for them to have atended.
revccm
revccm
Garland, TX
31 months ago: There were SO MANY things about today's event which contradict Jehovah's Witness teaching it isn't even funny! JW's DO NOT support the use of any "Christian" symbols, such as the cross, never mind the myriad of various idolatrous religious symbols dispalayed during the course of MJ's memorial. This attempt to put a spin on Michael's allegiance to the JW faith is pure garbage. HE WAS DISFELLOWSHIPPED by the "organization" many years ago and NEVER did what would be necessary to regain an official standing within that organization. The JW faith is one of the most abusive, hideous, and evil religions on the face of planet earth. It destroys people by forcing them to surrender their will and freedom of thought to their supreme edicts handed down by the "Watchtower." I am an ordained minister and pastor with 25 years of pastoral experience. A man in my church today (8 years and counting) was born to JW parents, elders in their local ongregation. Michael, bless his heart, was a mess of a human being! The vast majority of his issues could be traced back to his religious oppression and parental abuse at the hands of his father. If he is to be the new poster child for what the Watchtower can do for people, God help us all! BUYER BEWARE!

You have no idea what this organization is REALLY all about when you invite some of their smiling "witnesses" into your home to discuss the Bible. They don't ewven accept the Bible, but have rewritten and created their own, which has NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER as a legitimate translation of Scripture. They made it say what they wanted it to say. Weak minded people with no true knowledge of God's Word get sucked into this demonic organization, only then to find out that they have no more personal liberty, freedom of thought, or action.
31 months ago: the truth about Gods Word has never been debatable,its Faithless doubting minds,that allow theyre curiosity to lead them to a unfounding never ending road of what if...however with no answer, just questions and doubts,
as the original purpose for the Earth is and will be the same as when it was first created,aswell as Mans purpose to serve God being ones purpose in Life, without that, life is a continual mindless journey of dissapointing ilusions.

31 months ago: The symbol of the Cross is totally of pagan origin...as quoted in several encyclopedias,as well as so many other false doctrines,quoting history itself shows us how Emperor,(later made Pope) Constantine was Pagan himself,from wich he aquired many symbols, later mixing them with Cristianity,for wich the Heretics did what they did, as they destroyed original writings of the Holy Scriptures, the good in all of this day as Michael Jackson was laid to rest, is that exactly he is resting awaiting when Jesus Christ will without a doubt call all those in the memorial tombs, to a Paradise here on Earth,
until then lets investigate the bible,along with the history of the world...you will be suprised of all you will learn.
revccm
revccm
Garland, TX
31 months ago: Apparently you believe the JW lie thazt you alone know these things. i am well aware of the origens of a cross-like symbol. My comments were not at all intended to dispute this fact, but to point to the fact that the JW organization would in NO WISE approve of the Memorial today held for MJ. Keep trying to twist and pervert to draw attention away from the true point being made. JW's are well trained to do this.
31 months ago: To the angry preacher, your point was lost when you begin to type. Alpha brought up a good point about the history of the cross and you just glossed right over that. The bible has been printed and reprinted in so many differnt languages and versions but it all seems to make the same sense. Maybe if you spent more time actually studying the bible basic thing such as the origin of the cross, you would surely know more about. I have spoke to people today who aren't Jehovahs Witnesses who didn't approve of the memorial, good thing we have the freedom of speech.
JWElder
JWElder
Beverly Hills, CA
31 months ago:

Michael Jacksons Death – Windfall for Jehovah’s Witnesses

The question arises was Michael Jackson abused? The answer is absolutely yes, he manifested every symptom in his life. The belief system of Jehovah’s Witnesses routinely covers up abuse and of this Michael was a victim.
The weirdness of his life and actions are easily explained by understanding the “us against them” belief system of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
He was never at peace and always felt like a failure to his mom for not emulating and living her beliefs.
The result was a sad person trying to find peace but deep down feeling he was never good enough where it really counted.

In the end the real winner might be Jehovah’s Witnesses they will get the money and ultimately own the Jackson estate.
Much like the television preacher that tells his audience to send their last $100 and God to bring it back to them ten fold Jehovah’s Witnesses operate in a similar manner enslaving members to a concept that giving them all their money will somehow make God happy. Snake oil sales men come and go but as PT Barnum put it, “There is a sucker born every minute.”

Michael Jackson and his mom are the suckers and Jehovah’s Witnesses will get the windfall.
As a result when you hear the knock on your door Saturday morning… you can chuckle to yourself on how “Thriller” helped finance the smiling person and the Watchtower publications he/she is trying to leave with you at that moment.

What a thrill…












JWElder
JWElder
Beverly Hills, CA
31 months ago: Michael Jacksons Death – Windfall for Jehovah’s Witnesses

In the days following the death of Michael Jackson several interesting facts have come to light concerning the outcome of his estate.
While the public wished for a funeral at “Neverland” his palatial estate, where he could be mourned and seen for the last time, it was not to be.
Also the thought carries that if Michael Jackson were buried there it could eclipse ‘Graceland’ as the final resting place for the “King of Pop”.

Yet other facts have came to light that will direct a completely different outcome in this regard.
In Jacksons will it was stated that his mother, a staunch Jehovah’s Witness would be the executor of the $500 million plus estate.

There are several areas that the public is not aware of that dictate how matters will be handled in the matter controlled by a Jehovah’s Witnesses.
They are as follows: