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Lucky (and wealthier) Students of Good Teachers

Posted 4 months ago|6 comments|246 views
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BruceDPrice recently ranted; Do American Students Know Anything??

In response I found an in-depth, twenty-year study which follows students out of the classroom and into their adult life. A student's success in life is tracked against teacher quality over the period of time.

The New York Times just published an article about a study that tracks 2.5 million students over 20 years. The tracking element of the study: "did this student have an especially helpful teacher(s)". Such teachers are called "Value Added Teachers" they are recognized by the study when a student's test scores rise significantly.

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Many of us had one or more teachers more helpful than other teachers. But today the educational system tends toward "dependable" teachers who can "keep control" of their classrooms. This study is one of the few of its kind with enough depth to tell a story we all want to know; i.e. do really good teachers make a real difference. THE LONG-TERM IMPACTS OF TEACHERS says such teachers make a real big difference. It specifies how in several ways, including the income a former student makes as an adult.

I was happy to read this study. Schools have put a lot of attention on their control of students, and on other things that qualify a school for federal and state money. Happy, successful students are a criteria, but have become less important when schools apply for assistance. Somehow these main parameters have been lost in the money race. This study defines teachers who make a real positive difference as Value Added (VA) teachers. One of the study's conclusions is:
Teachers' impacts on students are substantial. Replacing a teacher whose true VA is in the bottom 5% with a teacher of average quality would generate lifetime earnings gains worth more than $250,000 for the average classroom.

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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
4 months ago: Great post Terryeo.

It is true that American students are rated 26th in the world, but we have some very good teachers that turn out really good students. What brings our averages down is that we have such huge income inequality in the country.

Finland and the other nations that do the best with education do not have the problems of extreme poverty and teachers having to deal with several different minorities with several different native tongues in their classrooms. They don't have to deal with the drug use and alcohol abuse that comes with extreme poverty or the high percentages of children with single parents.

Some of these other nations do have lots of students with single parents but the governments of those nations do a better job of supporting those single parents with free child care and free health care so the parent can see their kids and help them with their homework.

In this nation educational inequality is guaranteed because somewhere between two thirds and three forths of all funding for schools comes from property taxes, and the rich areas always have better schools and can afford to pay higher salaries to attract those "Good" teachers that are so critical to a good education. The schools in poorer areas of town can only afford the new inexperienced or ineffective teachers, so the students don't do as well.

But it isn't all the teachers fault. The learning environment is much worse in poor areas because of the gangs, the drug use, the single parents etc. Those areas are the areas that should have the great teachers to overcome all of the environmental aspects that harm education.

The new inexperienced teachers could probably do OK in rich school districts where they find self motivated students with all of the equipment and teaching aids like computers that they need.

We need to change how schools are funded so every student nationally is allocated the same amount (adjusted to regional cost of living differences) but then the poor areas should be given even more money, because those school districts need to overcome and compensate for the bad learning environments.
sunny2
sunny2
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sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: It's ironic. The kids that we try to help grow up with no parents and are left on the streets to die and be abused or sold. They have no chances, but here in the USA it is happening, and it shouldn't be. Poverty no matter where it is in this entire world is just that and people are kept down from it. One generation hands it off to the other and no one has a chance. I know that one person can make a difference to make changes anywhere, right here in the US and then things will get better and start booming again. We can't leave it all up to our government and ask for anything and watch lives deteriorate and our cities become areas that look as if they were bombed out. It isn't a reality. We have to take charge of our children's lives. Where there are not enough computers, there are places to go that will help provide this. Our school project is finished. People are happy and the Government has provided a teacher for the kids. The people were taught a new skill in brick making and brick laying in construction. They can get jobs building in other areas to provide for their families. Who would of figured? Everything in the learning environment as you say can improve with someone who is interested in their community. I don't think anything will change unless someone makes it change. As far as gangs ruling a neighborhood bringing it down and keeping it like a rat hole to keep people riddled with fear, it can be wiped out with a strong community force. These gang members are themselves victims of poverty brought about by lack of education. When is it going to stop? Community effort has to pull together to make some changes little by little.
4 months ago: I see our government has modified the website presenting the results of international tests. Trends in math, science, and use of language are no longer presented as they were 2 years ago. Now the web site has created a greater complexity. Two years ago, Altruist's "American students are rated 26th in the world" could easily be linked at the National Center for Education Statistics site: nces.ed.gov but now, not so easily. I got the site to say that trends in Mathematics (TIMMS) places Singapore with a raw score of 593 and the USA with a lower raw score of 508.

I agree with both Sunny and Alturist in the sense that the USA has greater diversity and therefore, a more vast educational challenge. We diversify with rich and poor, and we have different cultural backgrounds, all within one country. While Norway and Sweden's culture is not as diversified.

If you want to create success, one method is to look to and copy a successful example. Here in the USA we can not exactly do that because our diversity is broader. But we might copy some elements of successful education systems. Smaller classroom sizes, more student hours at school, more teachers per student, are parameters that could be considered. Teacher results are another parameter worth considering. If teaching phonics yields better results, it should be considered.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Right....Anything that works should be considered. I believe although that in some areas, as you know I'm sure, because they are so far behind they can't pick up. A different method has to be used by poverty stricken areas. Most of these kids won't even attend classes.
I remember in my early years the classes were so small that they combined 3rd 4th grades. It was good because we learned from the older kids. This was an advantage. Remember the one-class school rooms. They actual worked because the children were able to get the attention they needed. It would be good, too, if when they reach HS level, they had training in some skill that they could earn money right a way.
4 months ago: My experience points toward students helping other students. The local high school combined several years of students into some classes with good results. Student interaction created a good learning situation, where the students really wanted to learn. Student self-confidence increased, or seemed to increase, and the teachers were fairly well liked also.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: Terryeo, I can't believe RR has been so slow for the past few days.
Getting back to what you said that would work.
We have a group of people from a nearby community who want the school system to improve and have set out to do exactly that because they are seeing how the education system is failing their kids. They don't want to accept this anymore.
It is correct that student's self-confidence will improve when support is given. Teacher's are known to show interest and partiality to a handfull of students letting others fall behind. Having students right there in that circle helping out will improve this as they will identify with a student's problem easier. They are also more approachable.

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