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Liberty University, Without the Liberty

Posted 36 months ago|14 comments|1,750 views
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JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
Lynchberg, Virginia’s Liberty University—the institution of higher learning founded by Jerry Falwell—has revoked its recognition of the school’s Democratic Party club. Liberty Vice President for Student Affairs Mark Hine called the Democratic Party’s platform, “contrary to the mission of LU and to Christian doctrine.”

Now a degree from this diploma mill carries the same weight in the job market as a degree from any correspondence school, online university, or institution where the entrance exam consists of drawing either a turtle or a pirate. George W. Bush’s justice department crawled with Regent University alums, most of whom knew just enough constitutional law to invoke the 5th Amendment. Oral Roberts has more credibility—and a better basketball team.

Hine’s e-mail to Democratic club members reads like a Republican talking points memo: there’s the gratuitous swipe at “the ‘LGBT’ agenda” [equal rights in the eyes of the law and the tax code—really not a radical notion]; “defense of marriage” [word is the Republican club on campus is doing swimmingly—despite the presence on the party’s national slate of multiple divorcees, adulterers, and other unhappily married frauds]; and “socialism” [progressive taxation]. Never mind that the Republican party chair recently rejected an attempt to rebrand the Democratic Party, “the Socialist Democrat Party”—Liberty administrators are committed to wrongheaded juvenilia.

I’d say that this decision trashes the notion of college as a horizon-broadening experience, but that misses the mark. People rarely go to televangelist universities to have their convictions challenged. So instead, I’ll advise Democratic Party club members to transfer to another religious institution—where the administrators don’t feel that the university’s mission is threatened by garden variety club activities. Almost any will do: most have some bird of prey as a mascot—falcon, eagle, hawk, etc. You won’t even need to change school gear.

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36 months ago: Jock:
You're missing some points.
A Liberty Degree carries may carry a bit more weight than say, a University of San Fransisco Degree to a hiring Christian.

Every single university is a diploma mill. Universities are going to run themselves out of business.

Isn't every teenager everywhere and for all times in the world "wrongheaded juvenilia"?

What do you figure the record is at liberal universities versus conservative, student organization? Now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's not so fun.

Who ever, in the wide, wide world of sports, ever even pretended to believe the notion that college was somehow a horizon-broadening experience (other than mushrooms)?

Who ever also imagined there could exist a religious university with liberal leanings? Isn't that an oxymoron?

You need to go back to cigar smoking. It's good.
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
36 months ago: I don't expect Liberty U to be a bastion of liberalism. I also don't expect it to be a mouthpiece for one political party. This is the problem with tax exemption for people doing "the lord's work": we expect them to serve the greater good, which they can't do if they're serving as the propaganda wing of any particular party, passing ideological litmus tests, etc. You're a good Christian if you vote for candidate A, not so much candidate B.

There are people within the Republican party who really believe that they own Christianity in America. I'd like nothing better than to let them keep it, but they're wrong on the facts.

I also said that Liberty administrators were committed to wrongheaded juvenilia, not teenagers. Liberty's administrators are all mature adults (well, chronologically speaking).

I'd love to return to cigar smoking, but health reasons forbid it. Not a lot of liberal cigar smokers around, and now there's one less.

36 months ago: If you want to apply the tax code to Liberty U to stop them from obviously doing "the lord's work", that is a 2 edged sword.

Ninety-nine percent of all universities across this country are bastions of Liberalism, and Liberalism being taught and pushed upon students.

I'm conservative and (trying to be) a Christian. At my United Methodist Church, there are bunches and bunches of liberals who are my best friends. (I'm still working on them though....and not at church if I can help it.)

And I am not convinced you can say Liberty U is a mouthpiece for the Repubes. Every conservative I talk to is fed up with the idiot, power hungry, want to be loved by the D.C. elite, Potomoc Fever psychologically defective repubes in DC. I reiterate, the Repubes consist of blinded by their own self esteem idiots.

Cigars are good. Liberals not like Cigars is yet another poor decision. (he-he)

Maybe you can do a rant or rave why Liberals are that way.
I sure do not understand Liberals.
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
36 months ago: This is usually my fear where some conservative Christians
are concerned--there's a tendency to believe that "only" liberals or "only" rabid Democrats or "only" people pushing a "LGBT agenda" could vote for Obama. Liberty's admins have apparently taken this pov. Over 50% of American Catholics voted for Obama in the last election. You know people in your church who voted for Obama. They don't necessarily fall in lockstep with Obama on every issue (neither do I), but they don't consider themselves any less Christian for this one vote.

People like the administrators at Liberty need to consider why so many of their own--despite some pretty serious conflicts with the Democratic platform--found Obama so appealing. This interpretation that they were swindled or charmed into this decision insults their intelligence, and it doesn't get them any closer to putting the conservative base back together.

People need to beware of the echo chamber. Most universities tend to be this way--campus speech codes, free speech "zones" on campus, craven political correctness. They all need to go. I went to a pretty "liberal" school, but the College Republicans were active on campus. Campus Crusade for Christ was everywhere, conservative Christian speakers were invited to every major symposium, lecture series, etc. I saw more than a few.

And you're right about the Washington establishment mentality--it corrupts both parties. There's growing evidence that it's influencing Obama's decision-making.
36 months ago: JAK:

I, as a conservative, through my red colored glasses see things differently.

Only liberals could vote for Obama. Period.
No conservative would or did vote for Obama. Period.
He is a socialist, and he is out to ruin capitalism.

50% of Catholics are therefore liberals.

I can see no difference between liberals and Obama.
Liberty's "own" are conservative Christians. There are no liberal Christians supporting Liberty U.
Yes there are liberal Christians, but none of them want anything to do with Liberty U.

I, through my red colored glasses, do consider that the voting public generally can be herded one way or the other. (I learned that with Clinton.) I sincerely believe Obama is a con man who herded enough of the voting public to vote for him.

The conservative base is perfectly fine. The problem is the idiot repubes want to be liberals and have abandoned conservatism. Once somebody slaps the s$^&t out of them or kicks their hindends out of the party, the republican party, with a vast majority of conservatives, will win. I honestly believe that. History supports that....at least through my red colored glasses.

You are right on in your last 2 paragraphs.
36 months ago: Please read this entire post if you want to be better informed. Theis was written by the chancellor of LU:

A number of media sources recently reported that Liberty University banned Democrats from meeting on campus. One headline erroneously read: "Democrats at Liberty University forced to meet off campus." Apparently many journalists do not let the facts get in the way of a juicy, agenda-driven story.

The story was spun out of control from the beginning, when Terry McAuliffe, a Democratic gubernatorial candidate for Virginia, called a telephone press conference to talk about the College Democrat club formed by students of Liberty University. The presses began to buzz. Much of what went to print was wrong. Most journalists were interested in scooping their competitors rather than seeking the truth. Even when some reporters learned the facts, they could not bring themselves to correct their stories because the fanciful reports were just too tempting.

The University has not banned Democrats from campus. Nor has the Democrat club been banned from meeting. And, never has the University or its' officials said that a person cannot be a Christian and a Democrat. Sorry for those who want to run with these titillating soundbites, but these are the facts.

JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
36 months ago: Terry McAuliffe isn't feeding the media this story. Members of LU's Democratic club have said as much. And if you'll read my post, LU Mom, you'll see that I never used the words "banned from campus" or "banned from meeting". I simply stated that they had lost the university's official recognition, a fact confirmed by Jerry Falwell, Jr. on Liberty's own website.

Facts are facts, LU Mom, and there's a public record independent of LU's or anyone else's spin machine, as well as people who don't wait for LU's chancellor to parse the facts before forming an opinion.
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
36 months ago: And sure: the university hasn't issued a press release saying Christianity and membership in the Democratic Party are incompatible (not yet). They've just marginalized members of their Christian student body who support the Democratic Party, and in a very public way. Big difference, huh?
36 months ago: You are going to believe what you want but Jerry Jr, has said himself that he wants the students to meet on campus and he believes being a Christian and a Democrate is not only possible but he encourages it. You are right, the club have not been banned but that seems to be the understanding because of many reports. Some reports even say that the students are being expelled! If you don't believe me Google and see all the crazy headlines, including some on major news outlets like CBS, USA Today, and others.

I will go to Jerry Jr.'s site. Thanks for the suggestion. I have only read one statement he has issued. But JAK don't jump to the conclusion that he's "parsing the facts". Jeryy Jr.'s stand is very different from the original LU correspondance (not from him)that was sent to the club. I think "the Liberty Way" (university policy) should be revisited because clearly Jerry Jr. sees things a slighty differently than the policy reads pertaining to clubs on campus.
36 months ago: Mom:
Liberals will not under any circumstance let the facts get in the way of their agenda or beliefs.
Period.
I used to think liberals were intellectually dishonest.
Anymore, I'm afraid it may be a little more than that.
36 months ago: How can you say Terry McAuliffe isn't feeding the story? Please be specific about what that means to you and what proof you have that he is not. I'm not being argumenative. I really want to know what you know.
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
36 months ago: LU Mom, I'm going to believe what can be independently and objectively verified. Members of the LU Democratic club themselves have appeared in various media outlets to tell their own story, and there's no evidence that they were coached or coerced by Terry McAuliffe to do it.

Liberty University reflects the philosophy of its founder, Jerry Falwell--understandable. But the university's position is that if you're a Democrat, then you must endorse the entirety of the Democratic party platform. The absurdity of this argument should be obvious to everyone--most of LU's Democratic club members are pro-life, to say nothing of other hot button moral issues. And it sets a dangerous precedent: if the campus Democratic club isn't formally recoginzed by the university--as the Republican club is--the administration is tacitly endorsing the one club and its politics at the expense of the other.

Beyond that, how does the university stand on the death penalty? Is endorsement of the death penalty--or moral objections to it--grounds for the same sort of ostracism that LU's Democratic club has faced? What about birth control? Stem cell research? Torture? Poverty, and how to address it? In other words, what are the "right" answers to these matters of conscience on campus? Is there room for honest, sanctioned debate, or is the administration more interested in building a consensus on these issues?
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
36 months ago: red:

You think "Obama is a Socialist" because...? He raised tax rates on people making more than $250,000 a year from 35% to 39%? Dwight Eisenhower raised them over 90%--was he a socialist, too?

The Republican Party is not fine. That's part of the problem with bunker mentality--not enough feedback from the outside to get an honest perspective. The party is currently purging everyone deemed "not conservative enough", which seems to include everyone to the political left of Mussolini. Independent swing voters are turned-off. And they're now busy taking pot shots at the first Latina nominee for the Supreme Court--further alienating the fastest growing segment of the population. They're losing parts of the west and midwest that were once reliably Republican. The current faces of the party are Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh--people universally loathed outside the shrinking far-right bubble. This isn't the make-up of a party: it's a club.

If enough people, like yourself, "honestly believe" that this is a recipe for success at the ballot box, then I can sleep soundly in my filibuster-proof Democratic majority.

36 months ago: Jock:
Let me count the ways.
You're living in Lala land if you don't think Obama is a socialist.
Horses&*$#$. Obama is raising taxes on EVERYBODY. What in the wide, wide world of sports do you think this cockamamie "Cap and Trade" is. It is an energy tax on EVERYBODY, and it especially hits poor people the hardest.
As far as raising taxes on only those earning $250,000.00, that is a flat out lie. Period.
Wake up.
Heckfire, Obama is now pushing for a national sales tax on top of raising income taxes.
For crying out loud.
You are living a lie if you don't think Obama is a socialist.

Now, you make a little bit of sense in the rest of your comments.

I agree the Repubes suck bad. The repubes are loving themselves too much to listen to us common folk. You're right on so far.

What difference does a person's race make? Obama's first nominee seems to be a racist herself, among other things.

The reason the idiot repubes are losing their base is because they are turning away from conservatism. If the repubes did run off the idiots like Colin Powell and Tom Ridge, etc., the repubes would triumph.

You are blinded by your blue tinted glasses.

At the end, you are again correct. You can sleep soundly in your filibuster-proof Dem majority. The idiot Repubes are too spineless to filibuster anyway.

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