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I’ve had my fill of the Tea Party

Posted 25 months ago|48 comments|878 views
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Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
Occasionally I am queried as to my political affiliation and I always respond raging moderate. I am of the belief that 90% of what makes this country great is still in place and the 10% that is wrong could be easily fixed using a logical, incentive based approach. I am not blind to the dangerous imbalances that exist in the country today such as excessive government spending compared to tax receipts, increasing wealth disparity, poor regulatory structures and social safety nets that have become corrupting, economically un-sustainable entitlement programs. It's just that when I take an "America, Love it or Leave It" perspective, I can find nowhere else in the world to go that would be an improvement. It appears that I am not alone in that opinion judging from immigration statistics.

What gives rise to this rather lengthy disclosure is that the local Tea Party group has decided to picket in front of my office and it has become an aggravation. And when I requested that they move their operation down the street in front of their own office I got a fairly rude response. What lead to my irritation was the hypocrisy of the entire episode. According to this group's press release, members want respect for property rights while violating mine by giving the impression of protesting my business in front of my building. They want to pursue happiness while imploring motorists to honk thereby disturbing mine. They want less government but disregarded my request that they honor my property rights, insuring the need for police enforcement. Arrogance bothers them but they demonstrated it with their behavior. They take issue with taxes and wealth redistribution, but judging from their ages, I'll bet that they receive the funds that I pay into social security. The intention of this protest is probably to gain support for their movement, but with me and others I have discussed this matter with the result has been the opposite.

Maybe they should take their protest to the post office, the forest service, or the courthouse, thus negating my complaints. My oppressor, when alerted to the fact that the honking of horns was annoying said "it's the sound of freedom". Well so are gunshots and I hope that is not what they plan for today. As the late comedian Mitch Hedberg (no relation) said, "I'm against picketing but I don't know how to show it".
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Agree with you, that being an inconvenience is not the way to win support. Our Tea Party gatherings are always done on public property, and in a quiet, respectful manner. Seems those you have may be borrowing a page from some other group's playbook, i.e. Srcream loud and long enough and they will give us what we want just to shut us up. Are you sure they are the real deal?


"They take issue with taxes and wealth redistribution, but judging from their ages, I'll bet that they receive the funds that I pay into social security."

No, they are ready to receive the funds that THEY paid into Social Security. Except that big government has already stolen their funds. If a private company absconded with the retirement funding of millions of employees, do you think it would make headlines? Would anyone go to jail?
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: Trust me, I understand the Social Security mess. I supported the Tea Party when it started and I know there are many chapters of the Tea Party that are responsible like yours. However, the people here are protesting taxes when we have a deficit in Washington which means we are not getting taxed fully for what we receive as a nation.

People are tired of the tax rant. Instead we should be protesting entitlements rather than taxes because that is were all the federal and state debt is being accumulated.

Thank you for your response, keep up the good tea party fight.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: I think that the entitlement programs are out of control, however I also find it amusing that for years upon years Republicans went on about cutting Medicare BUT now go on and on about how bad health care is because it "cuts" Medicare.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: lol, yeah.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Sounds like you are having a fun week. I have a few questions about the situation however. Were they protesting something about your company or just protesting in general? Also, I am not sure of the situation in terms of property, but were they physically on your companies property or on the sidewalk in front of your office?

I am by no means condoning their actions but legally speaking if it was a public sidewalk I would imagine that they had the right to be there. Now if they were making efforts to harm you or your business directly then it is a different story.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: They were on the property, at least some of them but they were trying to get people driving by to honk. They were not picketing us but it was very annoying and they did come off the street, past the side walk and on the door step.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Well if they were on your property that is a different issue as Trespassing is illegal.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
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scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Ditto what PH said...

and and you took the time to download and re-upload a picture..why did not you take the time to take a quick snapshot and show us these culprits?
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: lol, I should have but I dont have a camera. In the Future I will try to use my cell phone.

I understand why people are upset, but they are not winning votes and fracturing Republican.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: Party
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: :P I thought you were just some heckler trying to bring the tea party movement into a bad light.

Even though I am a hunter I do respect the rights of others but PETA recently decided to picket MC Donald's and was scaring little kids by running at them with plastic knives dressed up in a evil ronald mcdonald costume traumatizing kids. I hope to see some hefty lawsuits coming soon for those children.

But either way what does it cost you Colorado if some demonstrators tear up your lawn? Some lawn seed? Not soo bad for the price of freedom is it? Now if they were smashing out your windows and recklessly destroying your property I could see your case.

But when I see peaceful demonstration then I think no matter what their cause they are honoring our fallen hero's in the highest form. I guess it is just a way of looking at things differently.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: "But when I see peaceful demonstration then I think no matter what their cause they are honoring our fallen hero's in the highest form. I guess it is just a way of looking at things differently"

This is very reasonable. There are a lot of people who only respect demonstrations that agree with them (think about the people who said the students protesting Ann Coulter were radical and abusing free speech but Ann Coulter is a pioneer and hero of free speech when she says anything)
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: I live on a main route going into a 45 mile per hour zone the trucks have to hit their jake brakes coming down the hill to reduce speed. It is rather annoying but you do get used to it and you can bet that 45 mile per hour zone does save lives.

I guess the same could be said for our Constitutional rights some heckler can annoy someone else but the main importance is their Constitutional rights were bought with the blood of true patriots. Who is at fault more the guy honking his horn in the name of freedom or the guy standing on the sidewalk provoking them to do so? or is it the guy behind the curtain sneering at what they stand for? I know my answer.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Sorry to hear about the jakebrakes....they are outlawed here.

Actually defending the Constitution is a valiant fight. However there are some groups on the fringe (this includes SOME member of the Tea Party) that make false claims about the Constitution and what the Framers intended...and this is wrong.
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: Tell me what group does not make false claims? Look at the anti-gun crowd through the Brady campaigne they would have you think every american deserves to have a background check before purchasing a weapon..Somight for the right to keep and bear arms..with long waiting lists through the FBI they are hindering capitalism.

Lets look a Britian they have a strict gun ban in place but crime is ever increasing. We have been told for decades we need gun control but the statistics speak for them self.

Look at the back door gun ban that was instituted in Ireland recently. Has anyone been watching the news and keeping informed. The UN currently wants to outlaw all guns even guns for hunting. We are certainly living in turbulent times and if all we have to do is bicker about some demonstrators knocking over your daisy flowers then you certainly live in a sheltered life.

The UN is a direct threat to our democracy listen to them for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0u...

The UN has no jurisdiction making laws that are binding as a treaty is binding they are not even elected into the positions they hold. Oh you foolish people they will disarm us through a binding treaty and here you worry about something petty as someone honking their horn...
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: The UN has the ability to make binding rulings (Security Council Resolutions for example). But since the UN has no real power over the United States it really doesn't matter.

I care more about the Constitution (and what it ACTUALLY says) than I do about the UN's position on gun control.
25 months ago: Only on gun control?
scotmanster
scotmanster
25 months ago: They have the power to make binding treaties not just rulings.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: I care about what the Constitution of the United States of America says (ACTUALLY says) than any of the UN political positions.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Yes of course...I didn't articulate that very well but yes the Security Council can make binding treaties and rulings.
25 months ago: Colorado:

So, you're a bureaucrat?

Or you work in a government building?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: When did he say either of these things?
25 months ago: Pifict... Those were questions????? Did your advance educaion not pick up on a question mark?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: So now you are going to spend time on on "Pifict" and still pointlessly attacking education.

Often times people ask questions like that to attempt to prove a point...by people I mean you and RSG.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: No I am not a bureaucrat and do not work for/in a government building. The protesters were not picketing out building but trying to get attention from the traffic (We are in a central part of our small town) However, they were on our lawn and parked in our parking lot. When asked to move to the street they protesters claimed we were freedom haters.

This group manifesto flyer stated they wanted more respect for privet property but they would not recognize our privet property.

I know most Tea party members are not like this but it does not help the moderate Tea Party members.

Thanks for the comments.
25 months ago: "Moderate Tea Party members"?

That sounds like Vegetarian Pork Rinds.

There ain't no such thing.

25 months ago: Self expression should now be a crime?
If so then this rant should be deleted as it is directed to a group with not a single supporting fact other than your word. No dates, no news links, no police reports, no pictures, no videos, no audio tapes, no arrests, no property damage, no, no, no.

Your office had people walking on the property? OK. put up a 10 foot fence with razor wire around your office property. Let's see what your patrons think.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Who said self expression should be a crime? Trespassing is a crime however. Coming onto private property without the owners consent is trespassing.

There is no need for a fence, and someone with your beliefs related to property and personal rights should understand that.
25 months ago: Your right, trespassing is a crime. Spiritual trespassing, cultural trespassing...

Oh, you only hold personal property trespassing as a crime...

Here is the quote from above...

"when I requested that they move their operation"

So, call the law to remove them. Where is the call report, police report or arrest?

Total mind blow. Just another leftists hardcore lie.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Spiritual trespassing? Cultural trespassing? Such as what?

In this context these people trespassed on personal property...which is a crime.

The point is that he shouldn't have to call the police, if groups like Tea Party's want actual respect for their movement they should protest in a respectful way.

So you need to have proof that this happened? Why is his word not enough for you? Because you disagree with his political beliefs he must be lying huh?
25 months ago: http://cache.thephoenix.com/secure/uploadedImages/The_Phoenix/Arts/Museum_And_Gallery_Reviews/Pownall_1.jpg

...So you need to have proof that this happened? Why is his word not enough for you?...
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: If they protest today I will try to get some pictures of were they are protesting (with is on the street and I am fine as long as they stay on the street.) and were they came onto the lawn and the parking lot. Its a small town and there were only about 10-15 people, but they should respect privet property.

Thanks for the Comments.
25 months ago: If you were a Tea Party Member, you'd be out there with them.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: I am not a member. Tax protest does nothing for me.
25 months ago: Respectfully, that is obvious. It's much more than a tax protest.

It's Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, etc., are whores whose votes are for sale, spending like drunk sailors, putting their enlightened selves above the country and the Constitution, etc.

25 months ago: Nice post Colorado. You always seem to be well balanced and thoughtful in your posts. I admire that and suspect there are many Americans which could use a bit more of those attributes.
I am hoping this is an uncommon incident resulting from a lack of organizational or fundamental guidelines. I would like to see a better over all foundation and direction implemented for this group as I also feel many of the issues they are concerned with are important.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: I agree. I support many of the issues, the problem is the no taxes rant is just not going to get votes. Besides, I am not against taxes, I just want to pay taxes for public services (roads, power, schools, colleges, safety-net healthcare, defense, and so on) I do not want to pay for entitlements(retirement, pensions,)

Taxes are needed and we as a nation are not paying very much in taxes compared to services and entitlements (hence the debt) Thank is my biggest beef with the local Tea party.

Thanks for you support and comments
25 months ago: Colorado.

You've made it abundantly clear you are no tea party member.

Noone has ever said "NO TAXES!".

We say "LOWER TAXES!"
25 months ago: Kumbaya, my........
Gregoire
Gregoire
25 months ago: Seems like the foo is on the other shoot.
Can't wait for Chicago cops to reverse rolls and start beating on geriatric demonstrators during our days of rage.
The new Chicago seven will all be wearing hearing aids.
25 months ago: That's funny!
25 months ago: Thanks Greg for clicking on the link above. You got it.
Huey, No it is not.

More likely the truth. Beatings can take place in more than physical way.
25 months ago: TSG - I don't think Gregiore means that literally. If that were the case, it indeed would not be funny.
Gregoire
Gregoire
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Gregoire
Gregoire
25 months ago: Oh yeah, this will probably take place while the demonstrators are doing no more than eating donuts and the cops will have their music blaring through their iPod ear buds.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: When we lefties protested we always respected property rights, however it was the few anarchists that occasionally got into trouble. When we helped organize things we had a crew of peacemakers who's job was to calm people down and interact with property owners. In all of the protests I was in there were no angry property owners and everyone we saw had a big ol smile on their faces.

The trouble with the Tea Party is that they are against all kinds of things and very fearful of loosing their freedoms to various boogeymen. What are they for?

What is the big Tea Party plan to pay off the $13 trillion debt? Smaller government? Discretionary spending would have to be cut 40% to even balance the budget let alone pay off the debt. Since 65% of the discretionary spending is military are they willing to slash the military in half? What about all of the schools that are being closed now and the teachers that are being laid off. How are we going to compete and create jobs through innovation if our kids are as dumb as Texas rocks?

Entitlement programs? Social Security and Medicare and the other entitlements would have to be cut 25% just to balance the budget. Since the conservatives cried bloody murder when Obama tried to cut 5% of the waste in Medicare, are they going to take the lead in throwing millions of sick and old folks out into the street?

The big plan is no taxes, or as Red would say lower taxes? Even if the Bush Tax cuts were allowed to disappear it would only account for about 10% of the deficit.

Meanwhile Obama is fixing our broken economy and is lowering taxes. In 2007 38% of the people in the country paid no taxes. This year it is 47% due to tax breaks for families the old and the poor. And yes the people who make over $250K are paying a little bit more. Still their are billionaires out there only paying 17% while the middle class are squeezed dry. Why don't the Tea Partiers protest them?

The middle class are paying too many taxes because two thirds of the corporations in the country pay no taxes, and yet the corporations spend millions bribing our congressmen. Why doesn't the Tea party protest this?

The Tea Party is being manipulated by the corporations that are creating the hardships for the people in the Tea Party. Their freedoms are being taken away by the people and the corporations manipulating them.

They are like gullible little children listening to fools tell them what they want to hear, that all they need is to put the fools that created the problem back in power.
25 months ago: Al.

You're the boogeyman.


You're also hilarious and beyond help.

Obama is trying to cut taxes like you're sane.

I'm sorry.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: Al

What falls under the category of "discretionary" spending?
Gregoire
Gregoire
25 months ago: When we lefties protested we always respected property rights?
Maybe the protests you were in...and that's a good thing. But really Al, do we have to go into dragging out all old news stories of "taking over administration buildings" (to say the least) and the like?
Gregoire
Gregoire
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