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Islam Through Crimson Colored Glasses

Posted 13 months ago|15 comments|883 views
"No such thing as a moderate Muslim"
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Are we to believe that Islam is a peace-loving religion, and that there is no political advantage for the current administrations to separate their fundamental beliefs from their nationalistic agendas in the middle east? I mean... separation of "church and state" seems to be the working norm here, isn't this what we would expect from our Arab allies? Surely we can see that the driving force of the middle eastern conflicts are more than that of differences of political views?!? So what if we were to remove our heads out of our assumptions... and look with vision unsmeared by political corrective lenses at the way things really are... is it a matter of Islam or not?

I like the next guy wants to see my next birthday with my family, and shining a dim light on a very militant faith may jeopardize that very hope... it is not like I am about to burn a few Korans, but I wonder how free is the West to speak about the facts. If you burn a few Bibles the worst thing that could happen is a few people stand up and cut off support to your associates... burn a few Korans and a few people stand up to cut off your head... big difference! Isn't this the reality of one faith verses the other? We are commanded to turn the other cheek as Christians... and not convert by consent or conquest!

The picture posted is from a site who's author is saying this about Islam...

"Organizations such as C.A.I. R. (Council on American-Islamic Relations) and O.I.C. (Organized Islamic Council) seek to popularize Islam in America using al-takiyah (Islamic deception for the sake of, and the advancement of Islam) as part of their goal for Islam to take full control over all of Western civilization. Once you have learned their tactics in using al-takiyah you will be able to see beyond the "moderate Muslims" who themselves serve as a cover for the jihadists, and see global-jihad more clearly....Warning to willfully ignorant liberals who have a bleeding heart for Islam, as to what Islamic sharia law proscribes that your bleeding hearts may not like very much..."
http://zionism-now.blogspot.com/2008/11/...

OK, I can't presume to know the tenants of another's faith... all I can do is look at the actions of the said "believers" to draw my conclusions... and it is with this in mind I lean more from the rose-colored glasses to the crimson. IF one just opens ones eyes without the rhetoric filling the ears, do we see a peaceful Islamic nation... with freedom and rights for all? Well, one might say do we see that here in North America? To a degree, yet it seems that our "freedom" to speak is now censored by the fear that someone will lose their lives because Holy Terrorists may off innocent people. WHAT? Think about it... what kind of cowardly faith kills innocent people because their "god" can't do it himself? Seriously. If we can't see that working with these types of terrorists is a bad thing...
...wasn't it some "important" person from the past, said that we wouldn't deal with terrorists?

Believe what you want about a sleeping serpent... but when it is called on by force or fear, it will bite big-time! Think about those who hold to the moderate version of Islam... when the knife is pressed against their throats to become a bit more "fundamental" you can be assured they won't be laying their lives down for you anytime soon... it is simply not in their belief system. I think that it is ironic, that in the same breath that one calls the Christian faith "bloody" ...they speak of Islam as some gentle peace-loving religion, that is somewhat separate from their global agenda. All I can say is... you will be praying for the "bloody" God of the Old Testament when Islam soon rules the Earth.

(For wake-up call, do an image search for "Islamic Terror")
UPDATE - 13 months ago
"A Short Summary of Islamic Beliefs and Eschatology..."
http://ldolphin.org/islam.shtml


UPDATE - 1 month ago
John Piper - "Don't Waste Your Life"
http://dwynrhh6bluza.cloudfront.net/reso...
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amishking
amishking
 Moderator
Auburn, NY
13 months ago: You actually think this country recognizes the separation of church and state? Guess how many people think America was founded as a christian nation based on christian beliefs.
13 months ago: AK,

No, but they sure enough preach it... it seems that it is not so much as "freedom of religion" but rather freedom FROM certain religion.
13 months ago: AK,

Just out of curiosity... with the layout of DC and the way the monetary system is established, what "principles" do you think America was really built on?
amishking
amishking
 Moderator
Auburn, NY
13 months ago: ok, let me have it, what does the layout of DC and the monetary system have to do with christian principles?
Seriously, I want to know.
13 months ago: Definitely not saying "Christian" ...as in the show National Treasure...
...I was alluding to a Masonic "design.... and if you think that is of substance.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
13 months ago: TB:
"Are we to believe that Islam is a peace-loving religion"
That is what the apologists want us to think. The truth is rather different. Islam is a socio-political-legal system masquerading as a religion. It was founded by a violent narcissistic pedophile megalomaniac who claimed to speak for "God" while rewarding a man one day for what he would execute another for a couple of days hence. Who contradicted himself so many times his followers had to develop a special hermeneutical principle to to determine which of two or more contradictory pronouncements to take seriously. Who sanctioned child sexual abuse and codified the abuse and denigration of women.

There is no such thing as "radical Islam". There is only Islam. Some of its adherents follow it more closely than others. Those most faithful to its teaching support, oversee and engage in acts of barbarism as have seldom been seen in over a thousand years. While there have been other groups who used terror as a tactic in assymetrical warfare - the IRA and certain Jewish groups in pre-1947 Palestine come to mind - none have sunk to the depths practiced by the Jehadists. What provo group ever strapped explosives to women and set them off? When did any of Menachem Begin's people strap explosives to mentally retarded people or children and set them off in a crowded square? And yet the Jehadis have done that AND MUCH, MUCH WORSE!
13 months ago: I think that most just want the problem to go away, and they don't want to address the problem that everyone will have, like they do in other countries that this "religion" takes a foothold.
13 months ago: It seems that the West is already being held for ransom... and we dare not open our mouths in protest or defiance or some innocent people will get killed. Does that make sense?
13 months ago: BC,

I totally agree...

"There is no such thing as "radical Islam". There is only Islam."
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
13 months ago: And that is the whole problem. It is like having a member of a non-domesticated species as a pet. Even if you rear them from cubhood, there is always the possibility of an unpleasant (i.e. destructive or violent) behavior being expressed. Therefor it is a bad idea to have such a creature as a pet.

In the same way any Muslim may be a Jehadi - or become one. While I believe in freedom of religion, I do believe that, given the known propensity of Muslims to lie to advance the cause of world-wide Islamic dominance, we cannot trust them - ANY of them. I would rather have someone who is openly hostile walking with me than someone who claims to be my friend for years who suddenly tries to slide a knife between my ribs. And I do not hold with the adage "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." I believe in keeping my friends close and my enemies - even only in potential - at a minimum of seven yards. Seven yards is the distance a person can cover a fifth of a second before the average person can draw and fire a sidearm.

Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on ME. Ain't gonna be any THIRD burning. One of us isn't walking away from the 2nd one. Believe it!

They can revere their wacko pedophile prophet all they want. But if they think they're going to get ME to revere him they got another think coming.

Call fatwa against me if you want. My house is located at 29 deg, 22 min, 51.03 sec north latitude - 98 deg, 22 min, 9.67 sec west longitude. Come and get me, if you've the stones.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
13 months ago: TB, what's your motivation for writing this piece? Very curious. A scathing indictment of an entire population of people from someone who writes, "I can't presume to know the tenants [sic] of another's faith". Maybe you could start by reading the article to which you linked. One of the biggest problems in the world right now is that too few of us learned anything at all about Islam, and we really only learned the Rose-colored glasses vision of Christianity. So, I challenge you to ascertain your motivation. Are you really sitting up there in Canada shaking in your boots about a take over of the world by Islam?
13 months ago: My motive is to have people look a little deeper into the very teachings of Islam... not necessarily the "commentaries." That is what we hope people do with Christianity... it is about a person (Jesus Christ) and His teachings... not what people do in His Name... rather what are the strait-forward teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Like "turn the other cheek" and so on... Jesus said "love your enemies" ...Christianity is only the teachings of Christ.

Compare that to the teachings from the Koran... "Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - Sura 2:191
http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.htm...
13 months ago: ...Islam is only the teachings of the Koran.
13 months ago: TB,
I suggest you study the religion and perhaps learn of its tenants before damning it. That would be a great start. At the very least read the Qur'an. You are clearly ignorant in regard to this particular subject and it is incendiary language such as this which threatens lives. Not a religion.
Forgive me, this will sound cliche, but I must ask. Have you read the Bible? Do you forget the language in it? Do you forget that it was that holy book that was used to justify the slaughter of men, women, and children during the crusades. Actually, I do believe it was Islamic men, women, and children that were slaughtered by crusaders. For what sake?? Oh yes, to promote the will of God. Sound familiar?
Now is when people say that the crusaders were not in the true Christian mindset. One might say the crusades were radical. That they manipulated a good religion for selfish political gain and a bad case of "holier than thou" syndrom.
Hmmmmm... How thought provoking...
13 months ago: SP,

First of all I started out in a multicultural nation, and multicultural street ministry trying to "marry" the two faiths of Islam and Christianity... at least on some common grounds. From what I read in the Koran it didn't seem possible (I had an electronic version of the Koran), as I read it and searched it out... along with those contemporary Imams of Islam, I found out more and more there is not common ground. This is in it's self, in no way constitutes a foundation for rejection of Islam... it is the words of the Koran itself.... without cometary, is the foundation of rejection.

When I say that I don't know the tenants of another's faith... I mean that many adhere to a faith with their own personal agendas and motives... yet the "gospel" of their faith may be different. IN the case of Islam the "gospel" of their faith is murder... and the "practice of their faith" may be to the greater or lessor part in observance to that written faith. In the case of Christianity... Jesus says "turn the other cheek" ...if a Christian fails to do so and "crusades" then he has denied his faith... in the case of Islam the Koran calls for the death of infidels "... Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191" ...if a Muslim fails to do the tenants of that written word, he has denied his/her faith. A true teacher of the Koran would agree, regardless of your cometary.

That is why fundamental (basic teaching adherents) say that those who follow not the Koran are not Islamic Muslims.... regardless of how many times a day they bow to Mecca. And, also why biblical teachers say that those who follow not the words of Jesus Christ are not Christians... no matter if they attend Church in His name. If a "Christian" declares "holy war" ...they are not followers of Christ, thus not Christian. Hmmmmm... How thought provoking...

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