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Is Stephen Hawking a Fraud?

Posted 8 months ago|28 comments|1,419 views
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"...newton. da vinci. enstein. hawking. they are heralded as the greatest scientific minds... i discovered that one of these men is a fraud. that's right, stephen hawking, the mathematician who concluded that the universe was formed by a quantum singularity and catapulted scientific theory onto the best seller's list with his book a brief history of time is not what he appears to be."
http://www.envasion.net/2000/hawking.htm...

"(Stephen Hawking) There is no heaven or afterlife for broken-down computers," theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking said of the human brain to the Guardian newspaper Monday. "That is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
This ruffled Cameron's heaven-loving feathers, so he vented to friends: "To say anything negative about Stephen Hawking is like bullying a blind man. He has an unfair disadvantage, and that gives him a free pass on some of his absurd ideas..."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-2...

[Statements from sites that say Stephen Hawking is a fraud or just wrong, are sensationalistic but serve a purpose as a lead-in to my question here at RantRave !:]

I went to see one of my friends today and he asked me if I had heard the newest RANT about Stephen Hawking, to which I replied no... I had watched some video footage and I had my suspicions, but never gave it a second thought. Bill said... "this guy has the answer for the Universe... without moving his lips, a computer spits out an answer to most questions. Actually without moving a mussel to be more exact.

I said I would look into it and get back to him... then I though I would give the RANTERS and RAVERS OF THE WORLD an opportunity to help me form my opinion. So here is where we start, if you have any input to this topic I NEED TO KNOW...
I am always being told I am too narrow minded, so enlighten me...

DO YOU THINK STEPHAN HAWKING A FRAUD?
IF SO, WHY?
IF NOT, WHY NOT?

I will post your comments if you cannot...
share this with everyone !

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UPDATE - 1 month ago
John Piper - "Don't Waste Your Life"
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Altruist
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Eugene, OR
8 months ago: It is sad that the anti science paranoia is causing a few nutcases to question our most brilliant minds.

Christians are attacking Hawking because he doesn't believe in God. It is just too threatening to their world view that the most brilliant people in the world think religions are just fairy tales meant to comfort those who are afraid of the dark.

People also attacked Einstein because he also criticized the brainwashing by the major religions. Einstein was an agnostic but did not believe in the anthropomorphic teachings of the bible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKt9EgENz...

Because of this criticism the bible thumpers also attacked Einstein in a very similar manner. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/einstei...

The manner of these attacks are insidious. There are probably only a few dozen people in the world that can really understand Einstein's theories or Hawking's. And yet people with a smattering of science can make arguments that sound reasonable to the regular guy on the street with a limited understanding of Physics.

They do the same thing by attacking Darwin and evolution, with hair brained theories like Creationism that sounds good to the true believers who do not understand biology.

They are doing the same with attacking the vast majority of scientists and the mountains of data proving Global Warming. They hire flunkies that know a bit about climatology to prostitute their scientific integrity, to spin tales that sound good to the normal Joe sixpack.

All of these are examples of faith based reasoning. People with a world view based on faith are willing to believe all kinds of nonsense and ignore the facts, the scientists, and the experts. They distort the real world to fit their distorted worldview.

I went to colege for ten years but I know that I don't know bumpkis compared to the experts, and people like Einstein and Hawking are in a totally different league than the experts.

To question the work of the world's greatest minds because you disagree with their religious views is arrogance. Let their brilliant peers do the questioning and criticisms. Technology and the modern world would collapse if we can not trust the experts and the scientists.

Einstein Hawking and most other scientists that haven't been bought off by the fossil fuel industry, or the true believers, rely on facts, evidence, and the scientific method, none of which can prove the existence of God. That is why religious true believers attack scientists.
8 months ago: So, let me get this strait... now people are "nutcases to question our most brilliant minds" ??? So anyone questioning Einstein was a nutcase?
8 months ago: Hey Al are you going to debate TB or post once or twice and run?
8 months ago: Huey,
I say I have him in four moves at the most !:]
8 months ago: Truth is you already stumped him... good job !:]
8 months ago: Looks like once Huey.
8 months ago: The point is this, no matter how brilliant folks are, when they utter nonsense they need to be called on it. Hawking is a smart man, but he says some pretty stupid things. You don't need a degree in physics or biology to know when you are being lied to or when you are being sold a bill of goods.

Nothing ever created anything. But that is just what Hawking proposes. Why should any thinking person swallow that without challenging it?

Talk about no evidence for God (a joke by the way), where is the evidence of anything coming into being spontaneously by itself? Unprecedented and unproven.

So why do folks get mad when called on it? Because they have no other explanation outside of specific creation, that's why. And they don't like that option so it's taken off the table and relegated to irrationality. That's pathetic.

Also, Christians are not the only one who have problems with Hawking and Darwin. Lots of folks do. There is even a growing number in the scientific community that doubts the veracity of many of their untenable claims. The voices of which are trying to be silenced by the established community. No room for disagreement when folk live in glass houses.

Well why would someone disagree with Hawking? Why? Because of the irrational and mathematical impossibilities. Impossibilities postulated as facts when none of them is proven. That's why.

The real problem is not even really those guys. They are simply stating what they believe. The real problem is with folks who take their words as gospel and then scoff at those who have different opinions and label them as irrational. To that I say - Get bent.

What is more of a hair brained idea than the universe creating itself? Talk about myths and fairy tales.

Why is it easier for some folks to believe that the universe created itself and then absolutely deny the possibility that it has a Creator? That has everything to do with personal bias and not scientific facts both ways. So stop playing games.

Folks believe Hawking because they want to, not because he's proven anything with regard to how all this stuff got here. He's proven nothing at all other than how closed minded he is in regard to the origin of this universe.

Hawking is a sad, sick, little man. He's lived with depression most of his life. Maybe one day he'll figure out what his real purpose is.
8 months ago: Dang Huey... where are all the "brilliant minds" out there that have anything to say on this subject?
8 months ago: I'll pass on it for now since Perfect Horizon has not chimed in.
8 months ago: "When Smart People Say Stupid Things
I'm always amazed when very intelligent people say very stupid things. But it's happened again. This time it's in The Grand Design, the latest book by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow... This stupidity is enhanced by the healthy dose of arrogance that is implied. Who needs philosophy--or anything else besides science? Science has solved all our problems or is all we need to solve our problems, right?"
http://andyunedited.ivpress.com/2010/12/...
8 months ago: "The Stephen Hawking Delusion...
...if spontaneous creation from nothing was true and that causality did not make sense in the quantum vacuum, then from a scientific perspective God could be out of the picture. But since causality is true and spontaneous creation out of nothing is false, then we have a strong argument for the existence of God"
http://hamzatzortzis.blogspot.com/2010/0...
8 months ago: Here is my opinion...

The "smart" guys get the crippled guy to forward their really bad ideas, so that it is excepted and worshiped without question... why? No one would dare disagree with a crippled guy! Lesson in psychology: no one beats a cripple.
8 months ago: Even war criminals get the "pity-vote" if they are on their death bed.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
8 months ago: The brilliant minds of the scientists and experts do not mind people questioning what they say. They do object to personal attacks and attacks on their science by laymen who haven't a clue.

People like Einstein and probably Hawkings when they concentrate so much in the theoretical world often lack people skills so they often just blurt out what they think.

Einstein took pains to point out that he was not an atheist. That would require a strong faith that there was no creator. He said he was an agnostic, meaning that if evidence ever did come up, that he was open to the new evidence. There might be some ultimate power that got everything going, but she certainly would not look like an old man with a beard, and she certainly would not choose an obscure, violent, and cruel tribe in the desert to be her chosen creatures. Your god is too small and petty.

Einstein, Hawkings, and most other scientists know that no individual can know everything about everything, and that they are building their works on the shoulders of those who have gone before. Every scientist that came before has had their work verified thousands of times, and while they all might have parts which were incorrect they each made contributions that added to our total pool of knowledge.

To dismiss all of Einstien's, or Hawking's theories as stupid just because they don't share your superstitions is really ignorant. Theologians might be qualified to question their comments about religion, but they are not qualified to question their theories about relativity or M theory. Neither are you and I.
8 months ago: Al,

I enjoy when you continue a discussion, and some of my drivel is to bait you back into dialogue... that being said, thank you for your continuation.

However for you to throw Hawking in the lot with Einstein is pure nonsense! Einstein's work is established and no body is debating the real science... but when you have a person with questionable accreditation philosophizing in the name of science... that is where we need to draw the line. I don't care if someone disagrees with my FAITH that there is a Heaven... but for someone to use pseudo-science using their disability "in" to establish that there really is no heaven (BY FAITH) ...don't say his faith is science and mine is not.
8 months ago: My mother was an invalid for almost 30 years, and it was demeaning and degrading for us to give her pity and preferential treatment ...a personal advantage if you will. We would say to her "what's the matter do you think you are a cripple" ...she knew we loved her and took her anywhere she wanted to go. But if she was wrong... she was wrong and we wouldn't coddle her... IF we would have, that would have been dishonest and degrading! I really think people are using Hawking for their agenda.
8 months ago: "To dismiss all of Einstien's, or Hawking's theories as stupid just because they don't share your superstitions is really ignorant. Theologians might be qualified to question their comments about religion, but they are not qualified to question their theories about relativity or M theory. Neither are you and I. "

No one one is dismissing all of anyone's theories as being stupid. Just the stupid ones. Like nothing becoming something and then exploding and creating everything. Talk about magic. That's about as superstitious as one can get.

As far as questioning theories, there are plenty of peers out there that have done the research and do just that. There is no consensus here as much as some would like to believe there is.

Also, to say that a lay person cannot question a theory is tantamount to saying a layperson cannot question the religious establishment either. Trade the Priest's robe for a labcoat and you have the same thing oft times.

It all boils down to the same thing: Who's report will you believe?

When you start with a godless presupposition, you get this crap. Abiogeneis. A position which makes zero scientific and rational sense.

If you see airplane wings attached to an airplane body, you will say that it appears to have been designed to be an airplane. Why? Because it was.

When you start with an open mind to the potential creation, you can end up in a totally different direction and position. A more enlightened one as a matter of fact, because one has not cut off their ability to consider and think outside the box.

No ones theory is above being questioned by anyone.

When in doubt, there are still a plethora of experts to go to.

"Peter Woit, a PhD. in theoretical physics and a lecturer in mathematics at Columbia, points out—again and again—that string theory, despite its two decades of dominance, is just a hunch aspiring to be a theory. It hasn't predicted anything, as theories are required to do, and its practitioners have become so desperate, says Woit, that they're willing to redefine what doing science means in order to justify their labors."

Not to say it has not merit, but it's still a hypothesis built on shaky assumptions.
Many of which have failed, spectacularly, to be verified by empirical evidence time and time again.

Swallow if you want to.
8 months ago: Well said Huey... "trade the Priest's robe for a labcoat" ..."religious" people are scoffed at because they fail to question the "Pope" ...well this is what they have made of Hawking, as they yell.... "don't touch the lord's anointed!"
8 months ago: Talk about dogmatic, intolerant and closed minded. No?

Since when does one have to have and alphabet behind their name in order to understand what reality is?
8 months ago: Since when does someone need a Dell computer to speak for them while telling the little people the real truth? You think the words are his or a programs? Really. How can he dispute them if they are not his? Throw it to the ground and run over his life support?
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8 months ago: Long before I heard heard Hawking's voice machine even mentioning religion, I knew that he was wrong about some things. He admits to manipulating his own proprietary mathematics to make his theories work on paper. When his mathematical processes have to be invented to explain the theory he is "proving", then who can argue with him?

He ignores several impossibilities his theories have created, such as the black hole information paradox, and makes his square pegs go into the round holes after whittling the pegs, or if necessary, drilling out the holes.

It's only theoretical astrophysics, not rocket science, after all. If his calculations are wrong, or some of his theories are just made up fantasy, no one is going to die because of it. His work belongs more in the category of Jules Verne, HG Wells, and sometimes, maybe even Homer.
8 months ago: "no one is going to die because of it"

Good response Box, but I wouldn't be so sure of that.

There are plenty of gullible people out their that will base their very lives on this man's work.

He's a guru to many. And gurus inevitably lead their followers to the wide gate and the broad road.
Out Of The Box
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8 months ago: I see your point, Huey. But what Hawking has done here is merely stating an opinion, which actually contradicts himself.

"All the evidence shows that God was actually quite a gambler, and the universe is a great casino, where dice are thrown, and roulette wheels spin on every occasion"

(which directly contradicts the following statement, concerning order vs. chaos, but yet both statements issued with a creationist overtone)

"The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired."

"Not only does God play dice, but... he sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen."

"If we find the answer [the unified theory], it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for we would know the mind of God."

"Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe?"

"When asked, 'What did God do before he created the universe?' St. Augustine didn´t reply, 'he was preparing Hell for people who asked such questions.' Instead, he said that time was a property of the universe that God created, and that time did not exist before the beginning of the universe."

Hawking wanted to figure out why God did all this. He wanted to know why he was here, why he existed. His time is growing short, and he knows it. And he knows he going to die without being able to say that he, in all his genius, figured it out. Therefore, it must not exist. Pride is the father of atheism, not reason.
8 months ago: Good stuff OOTB.
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Out Of The Box
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8 months ago: I Like this quote "However, one cannot really argue with a mathematical theorem."
8 months ago: OOTB,

IF you write a book I'm buying it !:]
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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8 months ago: Thanks TB, it's tempting. But then I'd have people writing essays entitled "Box: Is He Out of It or What????" ;-)
8 months ago: Well beat'em to it and with the same stick !:]
Sounds like a cool title!
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