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Inequality Kills!

Posted 19 months ago|17 comments|432 views
$1.3 million Penny & Diamond Soccer Ball
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Altruist
Eugene, OR
Last year for the first time in history someone paid $1.3 million for a penny!

This is evidence that while most of the country is struggling to put food on the table and keep a roof over our heads, the super rich are able to splurge on meaningless luxuries.


The trickle down theory that justified the right's support for tax cuts to the rich, said that the rich would buy things that would generate jobs. How does luxuries like this penny or a 15 caret diamond soccer ball create any jobs?


Today social inequality is greater than it has ever been in the United States. That is a bad thing. Several studies have concluded that inequality kills. http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/03300...


Almost every modern social and environmental problem - ill-health, lack of community life, violence, drugs, obesity, mental illness, long working hours, big prison populations - is more likely to occur in a less equal society. What surprises me the most is that the negative health affects both the rich and the poor in the society. See this article for a bunch of charts and graphs that illustrate this fact.
http://www.cognitionandculture.net/index...


Researchers are still trying to figure out why this is true. Part of it is psychological. In an egalitarian society in which everyone feels equal to his neighbor, everyone is happier. In an unequal society there is much more stress. The poor may be starving, yet they can watch TV and see the lifestyles of the rich and famous, this creates a lot of stress and anger. Perhaps they worry more and get less sleep. Perhaps they relieve their stress by eating more.


The poor are angry that they bust their butts working two and three jobs and can barely get by yet they see hedge fund managers that can make a thousand times as much as they make all year, by simply making a phone call. The most valued people in our society, the teachers who guide our children into the future, and the police and firemen, who protect us and save our lives, are loosing their jobs. The super rich have more money than god, yet they don't seem to do anything to earn it. They don't produce anything, they don't create jobs, they are really pretty worthless to a society and may actually be harming it, yet they are rewarded thousands of times more than the people society depends on.


Many of the young and desperate see this basic unfairness and tell themselves that they also deserve a big car, nice clothes, and even a fancy house. They see that the old, work hard and pull yourself up by the boot straps myth, doesn't really work, so to get the luxury items seen as a sign of success, they turn to a life of crime, drugs, and violence.


Our best and our brightest see that the hedge fund managers and Wall Street traders are rewarded much more, so they go into these fields that don't benefit society, and there is a shortage of the engineers and scientists that do help society.


"Instead of working to develop renewable-energy technologies or more efficient transportation systems, they spend their days designing computer programs to swap one currency for another or inventing newfangled derivatives like the ones that blew up our economy".


"What the financial sector is supposed to do is serve the "real economy" - the part that produces goods and services we all need. Instead, Wall Street now dominates the rest of the economy. And big-time speculators are in the driver's seat. A small speculation tax would target these high-flyers, raising the cost of their risky activities enough to discourage the most dangerous behavior. For ordinary investors the costs would be negligible, like a tiny insurance fee against the crashes caused by speculators."

"The future health of the U.S. economy may very well depend on how we decide to pay for this crisis. It seems only fair that those most responsible for the mess should bear the bulk of the clean-up costs." See: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07...


Our national Debt has been called the greatest threat to the country that our nation faces, and yet we are afraid to raise the top tax rates on the super rich from the 35% they now enjoy to the historic levels of 90% that we usually have during times of war (like now).


The Tax code has been the only way that we can encourage social equality. Now it seems that the physical health of the nation, as well as the economic health, and the national security, depends on our discouraging income disparity.


For the free market system to work, we need a fair reward system that rewards a hard day's work with a living wage. People that create no tangible benefits to society should not be rewarded thousands of times more than those that are critical for our survival. We need to change the tax code to reflect that.

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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: Maybe its because there is just so much more money in the system now than ever before. The system set up by the governments and the banks creates money out of thin air every time a transaction takes place.

The common man has so much more, more now than ever before. Wide screen tv, game consoles, cell phones, everything that even the middle upper class could not afford thirty years ago.

Who cares that some rich guy can buy California condor eggnog? Not me. I'm happy with my lot in life, I was born an American, and I am free to acquire as much meaningless junk as my heart desires.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: I noticed you gave a lot of "reasons" for the working class to have jealousy-caused health problems, but kind of skipped over the rich peoples' reasons for income disparity related health problems.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: I don' think they really know why the rich also suffer. Perhaps they stress out worrying about all of the poor people stealing their riches.

Some of the things that determine happiness has nothing to do with money or even inequality. Once the basic needs for life are met, having more money actually results in less happiness. It has more to do with trust, friendship, community.

"In 1960, 58% of Americans felt most people could be trusted. By the 1990s, only 35% held that view." " The emerging science of happiness has found that most of our satisfaction, some 70%, is determined by the quantity and the quality of our relationships."

Perhaps it is lonely at the top.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: And perhaps it's the constant erosion of societal values that had been developed within tried and true civilizations over the past five or six thousand years. The fact that people are constantly being sold the notion that "you deserve this" or "that doesn't really matter anymore". The notion that work is not the way to achieve riches, but rather that everyone is entitled to the same, regardless of their input.
19 months ago: 'A penny saved is a penny earned'?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: I am a big fan of Ayn Rand's notion that hard work and fortitude will bring success. I worked hard all of my life and paid for 9 years of college so I can retire with a comfortable $1200/mo. pension.

What I object to is that hard work doesn't bring the poor success today. There is absolutely no correlation between labor and wages for the hedge fund managers and derivative traders. The entire billionaires club function outside of the free enterprise system. Most of them don't produce jobs or companies or manufacture any goods, so taxing them will not slow down the economy. If you are talking about entitlement, why do Bankers feel entitled to billions because they foisted a bunch of derivatives with phony bond ratings on the unsuspecting?

250 of those billionaires who feel entitled to their riches, could pay for all of the unemployed in the entire nation if they paid historic top tax rates.

"John Lynch and his co-workers analyzed 282 US cities. They found if you add the ravages of poverty to the life-shortening effect of social inequality, the combination is "comparable to the combined loss of life from lung cancer, diabetes, motor vehicle crashes, HIV infections, suicides and homicides."

That is the price we are paying for allowing the rich to be compensated far more than their worth.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: "What I object to is that hard work doesn't bring the poor success today. There is absolutely no correlation between labor and wages for the hedge fund managers and derivative traders"

That is two entirely different things.

Hard work absolutely does bring the success to the poor. But what kills them is the idea that they have to work three jobs to make ends meet, and those those "ends" include a mortgage they couldn't afford to begin with, a car note on a car more expensive than what they could afford, designer clothes they can't afford, electronics and appliances they can't afford, and so on.

The hedge fund managers aren't preying on the poor.

The quick cash check cashers that charge 1400% to get through a tight spot, the easy credit places where you can pay $6000 for a $1000 television set and the low credit housing brokers where you will pay $150,000 for a $40,000 house, these are the ones preying on the poor.
19 months ago: They are not preying "directly" on the poor, but their methods and greed trickle down to the poor in so many ways that I really don't want to enumerate them right this minute. Actually it's not much of a trickle, more like a deluge.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: Yes, Sixholdens, in that you respect you are right. Trickle down economics is a reality that works both ways. In the same way that helping the ones with money to make more money and consequentially help the little guy, so does deliberately causing a currency to devalue costs the little guy a lot of grief through inflation, more taxation, etc.

And since it is immensely more difficult to conspire to increase the value of a currency, and it is much easier to attack its stability, you rarely if ever see a hedge fund group conspire to help out a particular currency.
19 months ago: maybe some of these upcoming tax increases will help...

http://www.atr.org/sixmonths.html?conten...
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
19 months ago: Al, while your faithfully delivering up the dusty communist manifesto and the shame of expensive rare coins, does it strike you odd that one of the last communist world leaders in the person of Kim Jong-il's has a personal fortune estimated to be around 4 Billion dollars? That could buy plenty of rare coins not to mention some basic necessities for his hapless citizens as he continues "the most important work of revolution and construction is molding people ideologically as communists and mobilizing them to constructive action."
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
19 months ago: I wouldn't believe Grover Norquist and his "Americans For Tax Reform" if he told me the sun would rise.

Obama does propose allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to lapse which would bring back the tax rates that gave us all of those surpluses under Clinton. However he just wants to drop the tax cuts on the upper income. So top tax rates would go from 35% to 39% the rest of that is BS. He is also giving out all kinds of tax cuts to small businesses and the middle class.

But whatever Obama proposes is besides the point. Congress is the body that determines the budget and the taxes, and they are going to wait until they get the recommendations from the bipartisan deficit reduction study team.

Both houses of Congress have said they will shape their budgets according to that report.

It does bother me that Kim Jong il is stealing money from his starving people, just as it bothers me that the billionaires in this country are not doing their fair share of reducing the debt.

America has 403 Billionaires, the next closest country China, only has 64.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: I am glad that America has the most billionaires in the world, and by a wide margin at that. It shows that American capitalism worked better than any other country. As far as them doing their fair share to reduce the debt, I'm sure they are paying quite a chunk in taxes, I would dare say more than anyone listed as poster or commenter on this page.

All who have a problem with the amount of debt reduction contributed by anyone should first declare publicly how much extra tax he personally volunteered to help reduce the national deficit.

By volunteered, I meant that in reference to your own money, volunteering someone else's money doesn't count.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
19 months ago: Altruist;

I have always respected your opinions and valued your feedback on many topics and I will continue to enjoy your postings. But I would like you to clarify, if you so wish, your attack on the rich. I ask this because you are use absolute terms that seem to paint anyone who has made money as evil and playing the system.

It is very true that many wealthy members of our society are crooks and have taken advantage of poor and middle class citizens but I would argue that these individuals make up a small minority of the rich. Speaking of the rich, what is your monetary classification of "rich."

In addition, do you feel that a majority of the rich do not pay their share of the taxes? In a New York Times article that I saved last year for conversations like this (the information can be found at the Department of Revenue site) states that the top 1% of the rich paid 40% of the total federal income in 2007. This was during the long slide the markets were having.

Please understand that I feel a lot needs to change but attacking the rich is not a solution that will make things better. This solution is no better than republicans claiming tax cuts is the answer to everything.

Good thought provoking post.

Here is the NYT article.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
19 months ago: Altruiesta said
"The super rich have more money than god, yet they don't seem to do anything to earn it. They don't produce anything, they don't create jobs, they are really pretty worthless to a society and may actually be harming it, yet they are rewarded thousands of times more than the people society depends on".

Why are you communists so hateful to the very successful people of the world?

They are the only ones you blame for all the ills of society.

That is why a communist like you can never change, and look at the fact that it is NOT ALL the super rich, but the 12 families, the International bankers.

Who actually controls the Federal Reserve? Who are the stockholders of this private corporation? The following eight family banks were named as the
owners of the Federal Reserve:
Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
Lazares Brothers Banks of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Bank of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York
Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York.


Astor, Bundy, Collins, DuPont, Freeman, Kennedy, Li, Onassis, Reynolds, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Russell, and Van Duyn. Merovingian (European royals), Disney, Krupp, and McDonald are interconnected families.

Your insane solution of a 90% tax on all successful people is a commie'I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
s wet dream.


Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
19 months ago: http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geunOZ3zVMR4QBbgdVqZp4/SIG=12ir372j8/EXP=1278685465/**http%3A//www.amazon.com/More-Money-Than-God-Makin...

More Money Than God: Hedge Funds and the Making of a New Elite
Sebastian Mallaby

Now, hedge funds can do great things and evil things, such as when Soros trashed the baht, the currency of Thailand, and when Soros broke the Bank of England in 1992, but also good things, such as when Soros tried to ruin the Indonesian rupiah, narrowly avoiding bankruptcy by a rescue organized by the... What? The Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in 1998. I believe Clinton was in office at that time.

Soros devalued the British pound sterling, Malyasia's official currency in 1992, costing the Bank of Negara alone over 4 billion.


What do you think the odds are that hedge fund managers will be dealt with during this administration?
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
19 months ago: Soros did not do anything to the bank of England. The higher German Bond was tied to the pound sterling and the reunification of east and west germany made bond rates go through the roof so England broke of the ties which hurt in the short term but was better in the long run.

soros just placed a really big put on the pound and cashed in with a smart foresight. He makes bets with his money and is not responsible when currencies fail.

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