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How Long Do We Have?

Posted 36 months ago|10 comments|733 views
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I have little doubt someone’s feelings will be hurt with this but I am only the messenger (so don’t shot the messenger please). Much of this has been written a long time ago and history has documented examples of to give the information credibility. We are now in the midst of big government money “free for all” type of love fest. Where is this money going to come from?
If the information below is correct we are not far from an abrupt end to the party.
HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?

This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming.

I have always heard about this democracy countdown. It is interesting to see it in print. God help us, not that we deserve it.
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."

"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years"
"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;

2. from spiritual faith to great courage
3. from courage to liberty;

4. from liberty to abundance;

5. from abundance to complacency;

6. from complacency to apathy;

7. from apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election
Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Republicans won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called “undocumented persons” (illegal) and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

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TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
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Philadelphia, PA
36 months ago: Mr. Olsen's figures are fake. Go google him, he has said so himself.
36 months ago: The entire piece appears to be fake or dubiously sourced.

See the following article debunking the claimed sourcing.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp
36 months ago: Yes it appears I should have checked the information a little better. Thanks guys. Just glad I put the disclaimer in there (if the information is correct).
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
36 months ago: I'm sorry, but I'm starting to get a little bit angry. Yeah. Just a little bit. I'm sorry, but the notion that our current government is on some untamed spending spree driving our nation into oblivion is utter hogwash along the lines of the already disproved 'facts' in evidence presented by this post.

Our government has been spending out of control since the end of WWII. Sorry, but it's not party-based. From Reagan to JFK, there's been spending. Meanwhile, it's the Congress and not the President that authorizes the spending. Meanwhile, Clinton and his GOP-led Congress rode a budget that erased the budget deficit and generated budget surpluses. Hmm, Republicans working with a Democrat. I am going to make it my mission of the next 3 months to start holding the right wing Ranters on this site accountable.

Finally, I hope I'm not alone is saying, "I don't want RantRave.com to become FoxNation.com."
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
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Philadelphia, PA
36 months ago: I second that Coloranter Raver!

The Fox Nation is awful, luckily, Rantrave is a great place for our open debate.


Stick to facts and logic, that way we can all grow intellectually.
36 months ago: Well this was some bad information which I did not take the time to check out. I'm glad Tom and Tony caught it, my bad. However it is my opinion that history will judge a president and that there have been popular presidents that did lousy jobs and unpopular presidents that history has proven to be exceptionally great. Regardless of how popular Obama is I find many of his policies questionable. Now it is the American peoples "job" to keep tabs on our elected officials as they "should" be working for us. If things are as they should be then "we the people" are in fact they're boss. Believe me that I would like nothing better than to see Obama and company turn all these companies we bailed out back over to the private sector in time and reform health care into something acceptable to tax payers and not just welfare recipients. If things such as this happen I may become the biggest Obama fan ever but am not going to give him a thumbs up just because he can talk the talk I have to see him walk the walk. A Presidents job performance is always rated after the fact when policies have had time to pan out or not. So as long as I am not just bad mouthing the president I consider it my job to be critical of his and all our elected officials actions and it is they're job to do what is best for the country regardless of supporters or objectors. Time will separate the good leaders from the bad not the opinions of the ordinary Joe's like you or I.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
36 months ago: Jakarta, when you get back from vacation, I think it would be cool to read a point by point analysis of the "Obama policies" you find "questionable" and why.
36 months ago: That sounds great Coloranter I would love that. And I just want you to know I am not anti Obama or anything. One thing he said in his 100 day thing was something to the effect that the U.S government should not be in the auto business. These type of statements make me feel much better and if he is trying to calm people such as me down and he sticks to his word on that then I say he is doing a good job. In general though I think some of our biggest problems today are the government trying to solve problems that it should have little to do with. Social Security and Medicaid are two of our biggest problems. People do not save for retirement anymore because they expect Social Security to take care of them yet it is hardly enough for that and now it is a financial time bomb. Medicaid is breaking the country and once again people don't save for medical expenses in old age because they expect Medicaid to do that. So people just basically don't save anymore and instead go in debt rather than save for a rainy day. Now I know the flip side of this may be elderly on the street and needing medical attention but instead of family caring for they own they just lay that responsibility on the government and this has become common place. So as with welfare which encourages single parent families and traps people into a dependency on the government I say most of the great social programs the government have put into place have only traded on problem for another or made matters worse. Any of these type programs Obama and company plan to expand or such as medical possibly create new government dependents I am opposed to. Well this got a little longer than I expected but that is a big chunk of it there as far as my two cents worth goes.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
34 months ago: You do understand that the budget deficit erased during Clinton administration was the annual deficit, not the total debt. The surplus was a result of policies put into place by Reagan, that resulted in much higher tax revenues. And instead of applying the surplus to the accumulated debt, we spent it on more government programs.
I don't see how we can continue to get loans, as a nation. We have been using deficit spending for 60 years now, and are not likely to ever stop, until nobody will loan us money any more.
34 months ago: I understand it OOTB however we seem to be a dwindling number. I think the scenario today is somewhat of a mirror image only in reverse of Clinton's presidency. Clinton rode the wave from the Reagan years and people seem to think Clinton was a genius. Obama it seems will try to pin everything on Bush even though for those who investigate in depth it is obvious the blame for the financial crisis has numerous culprits in and out of both parties and the Democrats hands are no cleaner than anyone else. I think you have a pretty good handle on much of this stuff OOTB. I am impressed with what I have seen of your work. I wish I had more time to contribute to RR but there seems to be to few hours in the day for me (just to many irons in the fire!). I rushed into this one and got burned on the info. though I still feel the basic idea is correct.
It is comforting to know however that there are still persons out there with solid reasoning skills and a fair dose of good old common sense. The government gravy train seems to be luring many into a false comfort zone but we must fight the good fight for all it's worth. If we do fall to ignorance and greed at least we can go down swinging.

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