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Homo-Marriage - Polygamy - Animal-Human Unions?

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"Joe Darger and his three wives, Alina, Vicki and Valeri, are not seeking the right to marry, like same-sex couples in states throughout the country. The Utah foursome simply wants their polygamous marriage to be decriminalized."
http://www.christianpost.com/news/will-s...%29

"Changing the natural definition of marriage would amount to a declaration that procreation is unimportant, and that children do not need a mother or father. This would inevitably lead to a further deconstruction of marriage and the family—and fewer children being raised by a married mother and father—at a time when those institutions should be strengthened instead."
http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should...

Regardless of what all the experts say about the damage that can be done to children and their social perspective and future status... people don't care about the next generation and what it will look like. The Biblical and best family scenario is one of opposite sex parents raising their procreated children... the Bible rightly calls the deviance away from this model... confusion. As our own Jakarta99 here at RR, one can use all the same arguments the gay-marriage pundits use to establish any "marital" scenario... regardless of it's deviance.

What I want to know is... who is thinking about the children in this race to total enigma??? It seems like in the case of abortion, it is merely survival of the fittest... while the "parents" evolve like selfish pond scum, into the sort they believe they came from! This is why I believe the government wants to legalize drugs....
you can't do this FECES in your right mind!

"The gay activists will not like it of course. But simply replace all the arguments of gay marriage with polygamist marriage and it is easy to see there will be no ability to restrict it." http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Polygamy-is...

UPDATE - 1 month ago
John Piper - "Don't waste your life"
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
7 months ago: Children always benefit from two or more loving guardians. Allowing loving couples to declare their commitment to each other leads to stability of the family unit. Two people can obviously do better at sharing the burdens and responsibilities of parenting than a single parent. None of the research has found any difference between the benefits from loving straight or gay parents.

You are right that for the children, polygamy would be better than having a single parent or none. There are 2.9 million kids with no parents that would be immeasurably better off if adopted by loving couples be they gay or polygamists.

I find it interesting that most polygamists consist of one man with multiple women. It should be the reverse. Biologically one woman can satisfy several males and needs more foreplay and stimulation than one man is generally capable of.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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7 months ago: " Biologically one woman can satisfy several males..."

That's a telling statement. I personally have not found that to be the case. Biologically, look to nature.
7 months ago: "Biologically one woman can satisfy several males and needs more foreplay and stimulation than one man is generally capable of."

@Al -- Is that experience or speculation speaking? Hmm?
7 months ago: Al,

You are proving my point about "selfish scum" ....if one man can't satisfy a woman, he is lazy and detached from his emotions! All it takes is time, understanding and healthy communication... you will soon find out what women want, once you meet a woman's emotional needs, along with giving her security and providing romance... there isn't a woman that can handle just ONE REAL MAN.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
7 months ago: Most guys will have an orgasm in about 5 minutes and then turn over and go to sleep, but the woman is just getting warmed up. If she had two partners the 2nd partner could finish what the 1st started and then when he was done, the 1st might have had enough time to "regenerate". Most men can't have one orgasm right after another as women can. Course Viagra might change that too. The animal world is different.

Here is an interesting thought for those hung up on the man/woman definition of marriage. There are actually 5 sexes. Where do they fit in? http://frank.mtsu.edu/~phollowa/5sexes.h...
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
7 months ago: I'm guessing most men, according to Altruist, are just lazy, or they are with someone they aren't compatible with. Three is the minimum, and 7 to 10 is not uncommon. The mere thought of sharing a woman with another man makes my skin crawl like I have maggots all over my body. Ugh, I'd rather kiss a maggot.

There are still only two sexes. Male and female. Of course there are some abnormalities, very uncommon. But then, trying to make the abnormal seem normal is what this post is all about, right?
7 months ago: Al,

DANG, if you know that much... haven't you heard of "ladies first?" Romancing a woman with foreplay starts with doing her dishes, putting up those pictures and providing a babysitter if necessary. Serving a woman and touching her in non-sexual ways is the foundation... if you don't have that you can forget it. After that the rest of the building must be based on FUN... nothing speaks to a woman's desire than having fun, and her knowing that she is special! BTW 2 minutes is the average for a man to orgasm... that is why it is soooooo important for a man to use self control and occupy himself with other things like giving his lady a total back and body massage... like I said most guys are lazy and selfish... and lack creativity. I took on-line courses on massage, not just to be a better lover, but to be a better person... caring for my wife's needs. It wouldn't hurt a guy to take some marriage courses with his wife... that shows her that he really does care and want's to make their relationship better.

A woman is all about relationship... the sex is the easy part.
7 months ago: Back to the topic of the post... it is undisputed that the traditional Biblical family model is the best and most healthy one there is. Just to redefine marriage and family structure doesn't consider the children that will have to live with it. Like a frog getting boiled on degree at a time... so too our society is accepting perversions that will having us accepting cannibalism or beatsiality ...their is no limit to the deviance if we toss out Biblical moral standards. If we let popular opinion or presidents establish "moral" norms we will soon be no nation under God.
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7 months ago: Any man who can't satisfy his woman sexually has problems. Serious problems that need to be worked out or it's going to equal the doom of that relationship.

5 Minutes? That's not even a good warm up. Any individual who calls himself a man and all he's got is five minutes in the tank, should be celibate.

One man, one woman for a lifetime. Accept no imitations or substitutes.

Just 'casue we have a bunch of folks whose libido is out of control, suffering from gender confusion and perverts in general, there is no reason to change the formula.
It works for those who work it.

There are quite a few people out there with mental disorders. That's why you end up with the five minute man or the woman who thinks she needs mutltiple partners, men who are willing to put their male anatomy in a places that were never designed to receive it, or women who want to be with each other yet need a fake phallus to get off.

Pretty revolting stuff no matter how you slice it.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
7 months ago: Truthbrary and Huey, and
Altruist

This notion that a man can't satisfy a woman is just a prime example of the lie being told by the feminists. They spent the better part of a decade trying to get men in touch with their "feminine side" . Then after they nearly accomplished this feat, they began complaining that their men were inadequate. Many men have been made to feel inferior to women emotionally, and feel enslaved to women to dole out sex at the whim of the woman. Thy have been told that they aren't like women like it's a bad thing. And then, the more they try to be like a woman, the less the woman finds them sexually attractive and stimulating.

The mind is the most erogenous zone in both men and women. That should pretty much sum it up.
7 months ago: "The mind is the most erogenous zone in both men and women. That should pretty much sum it up. "

It should. But if you think most secular folks are going to figure that one out, you are mistaken.

They can't even be with their chosen one unless they thinks it's okay to fantasize and think about other folks during intercourse.

Marriage is screwed up? Nah. They are screwed up.

It's no wonder we end up with women who think they need seven, men who last five minutes, and he-she's that are crying in their beer for acceptance of their sin.
7 months ago: "undisputed that the traditional Biblical family model is the best and most healthy one there is."

Without question. No need to re-define what has already been defined perfectly.

The covenant of marriage is the single most important human bond there is. Ideally families originate from marriage. Unfortunately, moral corruption and bad decisions give rise to fragmented families and broken homes.

It all boils down to the sin that folks want to pretend doesn't exist yet manifests itself in their lives over and over again. Destroying that life and the lives of others it touches. Many times it's not a lack of intelligence, it's just sheer stupidity. We are sure surrounded by that today.

With age is supposed to come wisdom, but it seems like the older some folks get, nothing changes. Thinking themselves wise, they prove themselves to be fools. Obvious by the philosophy and the lifestyle. Ministers of death parading as angels of light.

There is none so blind as those who will not see.
7 months ago: Unless we have moral parameters the door is wide open to anything-goes... I hear it all the time that people think paedophilia is unacceptable because it is illegal, give it a few years! Hollywood has already made it a practice...

Hollywood Filled with Pedophiles -- Corey Feldman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEWS0kCQo...
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
7 months ago: Too bad we don't have any women to shed some reality. Most women fake orgasms to keep from crushing our fragile egos.

"Women are able to achieve multiple orgasms due to the fact that they do not require any kind of refractory period as men do after the first orgasm. Theoretically, if stimulation is not interrupted, most women should be able to achieve multiple orgasms. Achieving multiple orgasms is not as easy as it looks given that generally women reach orgasms with greater difficulty than men."

"During heterosexual intercourse, it is common that men stop the stimulation process in a woman (after experiencing orgasm themselves, and losing their erection), and this may be one of the reasons why many women do not actually achieve more than one orgasm." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_femal...

Sexual behavior is not simple black and white male female sex. There is a broad spectrum. Kinsey used a scale of 7 different behaviors:
Description
0 Exclusively heterosexual
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Bisexual
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual
X Asexual, nonsexual

His findings were that Males were about twice as likely to be other than hetrosexual.

Men: 11.6% of white males aged 20–35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives.[5] The study also reported that 10% of American males surveyed were "more or less exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55" (in the 5 to 6 range).[6]
Women: 7% of single females aged 20–35 and 4% of previously married females aged 20–35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives.[7] 2 to 6% of females, aged 20–35, were given a rating of 5[8] and 1 to 3% of unmarried females aged 20–35 were rated as 6.[9]

The Catholic Church still tries to maintain the morality of all sex is bad except to make kids. In the past, the first principle of sexual morality was, "don't have sexual intercourse, until you are ready to be parents" With the advent of birth control women were finally able to achieve an amount of sexual freedom, and could actually enjoy themselves.

Conservatives still try to deny that homosexuality is natural and their persecution of the "others" results in thousands of suicides.

In many cases it turns out that those who protest the most are those who are themselves gay or are unsure of their sexuality.

As for morality Thomas Aquinas argues that reason should be our guide to morality. Not only does he hold that the first principle of natural law, "do good, avoid evil" is self-evident, he argues that there are other self-evident first principles, such as "harm no man".

Karol Wojtyla maintains that we have a deep and natural need to give ourselves to another person; to make ourselves whole by giving ourselves to another. He says that this giving is most completely performed in the sexual act. (taken from http://www.goodmorals.org/smith5.htm )

The essence of natural law is to be responsible and do what is best for the community. Obviously promiscuity and creating children out of wedlock is not in the best interest of society. Part of the morality of natural law is that what happens in nature is generally good and moral. Homosexuality is common in nature. Therefore homosexuality cannot be considered bad as long as the parties are responsible and do not harm others.

Just as it is best for hetrosexuals to commit to ea
7 months ago: If you are looking to have someone step-by-step show you how a man can produce a real multi-orgasm in a woman, it wouldn't be difficult... many good books on the subject, however nothing helps more than a trusting loving healthy relationship to start. Also finding out what a woman wants takes STUDY... when we date a woman we study her and most importantly have FUN ...many after getting the girl aren't interested in STUDYING her any more... and don't have FUN like they used to. It takes an focused effort not only to get the girl... but to keep her (happy).
7 months ago: "The essence of natural law is to be responsible and do what is best for the community. Obviously promiscuity and creating children out of wedlock is not in the best interest of society. Part of the morality of natural law is that what happens in nature is generally good and moral. Homosexuality is common in nature. Therefore homosexuality cannot be considered bad as long as the parties are responsible and do not harm others. "

Al, I can follow that. You make some great points that I would enjoy hearing from you more often.

You just need to remember, what is natural in nature is not always natural to human beings and nor should it be. We are free moral agents. And as free moral agents, we can choose behavior and are not held in bondage instinct.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
7 months ago: Just as it is best for hetrosexuals to commit to each other, to pledge their love, and to promise to be exclusive, is best for society. The same is true for homosexuals. It is in societies interest for homosexuals to be allowed to marry.
7 months ago: Like I sad above - We are free moral agents. And as free moral agents, we can choose behavior and are not held in bondage to instinct.

We are designed. In the marriage covenant the two become one. One in flesh and one in spirit.

There can be civil unions and shack ups between homosexuals and that's their prerogative. It's their life and they will have to deal with the consequences of their own actions. However, even when government legislates it, those folks will never be truly married. Some folks can play around and call it marriage, but it's not that and never will be.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
7 months ago: It's a bit like the people who want to force men to accept women into exclusively male organizations. They may get in the door, but they will never truly fit the requirements. Or maybe like the mensa's being forced to accept the people with low IQs. Or transversely, the Civitan group being forced to allow people without handicaps to participate in the Special Olympics.

Marriage was invented by heterosexuals, for heterosexuals. It's an exclusive club, not everyone can get in. It requires just one man and one woman, joined together legally and spiritually by oath and by covenant. If gay couples want to start their own club, then they should do it. Just don't try to crash mine.

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