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Help! I think I may be an atheist!

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amishking
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Auburn, NY
I think I may be an atheist.

This is big deal to me. When I was growing up, I was studying to be a catholic priest. My family was very involved in the church, I was an alter boy, my sisters worked with the little kids, my mom cleaned the church and was active on many committees. My faith was very precious to me, something I was proud of. I liked the sense of community, the ritual, the feeling I got from being a part of something bigger than myself or anything else in this world.

When I got to college, I stopped going to church. In my head I felt that the idea of "God" was too abstract for me, a mere human to understand. "God" was too big for me, so I resolved to worship in my own way. I would believe, but not worry about the trappings that came with organized religion. I was still a catholic, just not practicing. This went on for years, and then I got married, and my faith was tested.

My wife is a believer. We had a conversation about the stories in the bible, how I thought they were just stories to teach morals, and her thinking they were the "gospel" truth, so to speak. I thought the pope was just a man, she thought the pope was god's mouthpiece on earth. My wife didn't think I was as catholic as her, and it was going to be a problem.

So I started doing some reading. I started out with the debate over evolution. I didn't think us Catholics worried about evolution. We could believe in Darwin, and still be good Catholics. Darwin opened the flood gates.

It seems that I was wrong about a lot of things and how good of a Christian I was. I thought everyone knew the stories in the bible were just stories. I knew this since grade school.

I became an agnostic. More reading is needed, but I suspect I will land on the side of atheism. This leads the crisis of faith I am having. Without being catholic, will I still get to see my dead relatives? I don't think I will, but it kills me to think I won't see anyone when I am dead. It is like killing off all my dead relatives all over again.

I am at a crossroads. I want to believe in God. I want to blindly go along and not worry about the afterlife or the people I care about who have already passed away.

Logic is getting in the way. I need help. I don't want to be known as an atheist. Atheists are the last group that the mainstream can shun and get away with it. In some states, atheists can not hold public office. It would be like purposely opting to be a hated minority.

Can I not believe in a supreme being, and still think there is a heaven, or a place where I will go as I die?

Thanks for reading this.

Peace,
Amishking
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23 months ago: King:

Amazing you posted this when I posted something about the Jesus. Read my post.

For what it is worth, what you are experiencing: I've been there, and done that.

I'm no Catholic. I'm a United Methodist.

I believe G-d created evolution. Why not?

You honestly believe everything you see tomorrow morning is due to a random spark?

This place we're in is a proving ground. It is designed to be difficult. We're designed with basic flaws. It is supposed to be a struggle. Somebody is watching, and if you do your best (and try, try, try to follow what Jesus said), you may, with a little bit of Grace, get to move on to something better.......with your dead relatives.

I believe it King.
amishking
amishking
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Auburn, NY
23 months ago: When I was young, I would hear that there was an argument over God and evolution. I was in a Catholic school, and thought,
"If God created everything, and was all powerful and all knowing, couldn't he create evolution? "
But I didn't dare say anything. I didn't want to get smacked by a nun.
23 months ago: EVERYBODY HAS BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT.

Everybody
markbyrn
markbyrn
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23 months ago: amishking,

This video will answer your question perfectly:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...#
Rangutan
Rangutan
Germany
23 months ago: Sad that you challenge God to answer prayers. Your prayers will never be heard with an attitude like that. You will never hear God answer if you don't believe in Him!
Sorry for you. Perhaps try again properly?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: And if the video isn't convincing enough, here's 50 proofs to ponder:

http://tinyurl.com/j9pj7

Rangutan
Rangutan
Germany
23 months ago: It is not Gods job to cure cancer or make you get good grades. Don't pray for stuff like that, it doesn't interest Him! Rather pray that you wake up out of your bad attitude and be worthy of getting to heaven after you have died of cancer?
ns12123
ns12123
Byron Center, MI
23 months ago: Right, we do have to pray that "god", who is benevolent and generous, won't torture us for all of eternity. Only a monster could torture people for all of eternity for not following or being convinced of the one "true" religion.
23 months ago: Suppose Hell is not a place of torment. Suppose it is simply a place of non-existence. A place where they would no longer experience his love and grace. Darkness and separation.

Would God be wrong to allow rebellious people to go there if that is what they are determined to do?

I don't think so. Do you?
23 months ago: Mark.

So you know everything huh?

King.

Prayer does so work.
Anono
Anono
Belarus
23 months ago: Just as well as a lucky horse shoe and a 4 leaf clover. Christianity acts like a security blanket, it always has an answer. Every time prayer dosen't work it "wasn't gods plan". If god has a plan then why bother praying (asking him to change it)?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: And if the video isn't convincing enough, here's 50 proofs to ponder:

http://tinyurl.com/j9pj7

23 months ago: Mark:

Thanks for the links.

You're going to keep me busy.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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23 months ago: Of course prayer 'works' and you can pray to a lucky horseshoe and it will be just as effective - see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH0rFZIqo...
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: What you believed yesterday or what you believe today or what you will believe tommorow will not change what has already happened what is happening and what will happen. Be a good father to your kids so they will have a good example to follow. Be a good husband so your wife will have a reason to be a good wife. Be a good citizen of this planet so that the world may know you care and if after all that you still feel empty send out a prayer. It helps to feel that someone is listening. I would rather be delusional and believe that someone heard what I had to say than to keep silent and say nothing. Everybody wants to be heard Amish. Why do you think sites like this one works? Except nobody here will answer you anything of substance. With G-d you have the hope that the maker of the infinite heard what you had to say and that to me my brother is worth the slim chance that on the flip side I might be wrong!
amishking
amishking
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Auburn, NY
23 months ago: "With G-d you have the hope that the maker of the infinite heard what you had to say and that to me my brother is worth the slim chance that on the flip side I might be wrong! "
Solo, I believe that is called Pascal's wager. But, I don't want to live my life like it is a crapshoot. Thanks for the comment, neighbor.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: I suppose it is Amish. It's nice to put a name to a form of thinking, not that I'll remember from today to tomorrow. I Googled Mr. Pasquale it turns out he was a Christian Apologetic. I don't like that term. It makes it sound as if Christians have something to apologize about as it regards to their beliefs. He also made other interesting contributions to the academic world. Go figure that someone can have faith in an all knowing being and not be a blithering idiot!

I think your dilemma is tied to religion more than prayer or faith. You might not realize this but the bible does not specify prayer as spoken words. It has written prayer as the unspoken uttering of the soul that can't be put into words. That means that those longings for answers that you might not have even voiced before now have already been sent upwards.

Religion is about money and membership it has put a value on the words connected to what is unknowable. You mention life after death without G-d which is interesting because I believe the opposite. G-d without life after death. The very concept of life after death is an oxymoron. Death is the absence of life. Once decay takes hold of an organism it transforms one thing into something else. The brain that held the personality and essence of who we recognized as a soul is no longer existing. Therefore the person we knew is gone. Can G-d remake that person? Yeah certainly, like cloning or something but that is not life after death. Death is death. That is just another life.

Perhaps immortality is not beyond us because we humans dream of it. It must be somewhere just outside our reach. Whatever the case I'm not telling you you should bet on anything. Life is not a wager. Life is a series of events that we have done and will do and it ends when it does. All I'm saying is don't waste to much time trying to figure out what comes next. All I'm saying is make this one count! If G-d is real he will see what you have done. If he is not then you will have lived a life worth living. If there is a place beyond this earthly coil without an eternal overseer then I suppose that it would be no different then life here, filled with both extremes.

If I can sum up my faith in G-d in three words I guess they would be: Make it count!
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Of course prayer 'works' and you can pray to a lucky horseshoe and it will be just as effective - see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH0rFZIqo...
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: ....Except nobody here will answer you anything of substance....

Nobody here includes yourself so the statement that "nobody here will answer you anything of substance" and the rest of your post is lacking substance. A paradox?
23 months ago: I'm not convinced Mark by your horseshoe v prayer or prayer for cures.

We don't know what G-d's plan is. Whatever Mark.

Try my story.

A college professor is preaching to his students about Religion, and he says "If there is a G-d anywhere, he will come down here and strike me down! So help me G-d". All the students hush and look bewildered at each other.

The professor says "Come on G-d! If you are real, come strike me down, right here, right now!"

Well, a former Marine marches up to the professor and punches him right in the nose knocking him out and off the stage. As the Marine stands over the dazed professor on the ground, the Marine says "G-d was busy, so I came along to help!"
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: Good one - here's one I like:

There was third grade teacher who had just become a born again Christian. She asked her class if any of them were born again Christians. Not knowing what a born again christian was, but wanting to please the teacher, they all raised their hands, except for little Sarah. The teacher asked her why she didn't raise her hand.

'Well I'm an atheist,' she replied.

'Why are you an atheist?' the teacher asked.

'Well my dad's an atheist and my mom's an atheist, and I'm not very religious myself, so I'm an atheist.'

'Well that's no reason,' the teacher replied, 'what if your parents were both morons?'

Little Sarah perked her head up and smiled then replied,'Well then I'd be a born
again christian.'
23 months ago: Yes, it's a fun old tale showing how there is no divine intervention, only actions people like to label as such.
23 months ago: It'd be too easy if G-d intervened.
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amishking
amishking
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Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Meaning, Red? If god loves me, why wouldn't he want to make it easy for me? Isn't that what we want to do with our children? I don't want my son to be spoiled, but I don't want him to be the poor kid in class like I was. See my point?
23 months ago: First, Have you ever heard of hard love?

Second, we have no clue what G-d's plan is. He gives us guidance. "The meek will inherit the earth". (I'm paraphrasing Jesus.) "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to go to heaven."

You don't want it to be too easy on your son. You're not going to be there one day, and the world is a harsh place. He needs to be able to deal with the difficulties that are ahead.

To reiterate, we are all, every one of us, ignorant. Some don't think so, but we all are. The only way to deal with the difficulties is to try your best to follow what Jesus taught.

Understand, we all, every one of us, will fall short. We are all made that way. That's one of the points. Do you best and strive to follow what Jesus said.

Certainly, any agnositcs or atheists can't go wrong doing that anyway. No?
Anono
Anono
Belarus
23 months ago: Well yes. If they 'followed Jesus' they wouldn't be atheist/agnostic....
Protip: Morality isn't obtained from the bible.