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Healthcare, Abortion and...changes...OH MY!!!

Posted 23 months ago|15 comments|480 views
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Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
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The article presents the changes that are being made to smooth over the abortion issue in health care reform. Many of the people who would otherwise support the bill but are currently having trouble because of the possible funding of abortions with tax payer dollars seem to be happy with this most recent change. Basically between the House and Senate a compromise has been reached. It goes something like this: If the abortion is legal under the Hyde amendments (this covers abortion in the case of Rape, Incest and to save the life of the mother) then it can be covered with any insurance plan regardless of whether or not it is being federally subsidized. If the person wants coverage for abortion for any other reason then they will have to purchase a separate abortion coverage policy that cannot be funded by tax dollars (to ensure that this happens the folks who want the coverage will have to physically write 2 checks to the insurance company. This, according to the 2 staunchly anti-abortion congressmen who wrote it, is an acceptable compromise because it doesn't change the status quo of abortion. People who do not want to fun abortion can chose an insurance plan that either does not offer such coverage or at least know that their tax dollars are not funding abortions (unless they are covered under the Hyde laws).

I think this seems like a fair compromise. It prevents people who have a moral objection or simply do not need abortions (single men, older women etc) from having to pay for them. Yes there are going to be those who claim immediately that there is no way to ensure that only money from the separate abortion premiums is being used, but with modern technology and effective oversight I think it will work.

As a final thought I will leave a quote:

"You can't be blanket pro-life and not address those things that encourage women to make the choice of having an abortion, If you are really looking to reduce the number of abortions in America, one of the things that will make that happen is to have comprehensive health care coverage." Rev. Derrik Harkins, National Association of Evangelicals
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
23 months ago: Considering that our tax dollars are used by the government to pay for politician's bad habits and crimes, and/or most of it is wasted foolishly.

And the fact that they give away billions to other countries to buy their loyalty etc.

Why are we worried over these abortions that much.

I rather have a clean constitutional Government, rather than argue over abortion issue.

I am pro-life. But I am more anti-corruption.

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Why worry
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: Well since the Supreme Court says abortion is legal then there really shouldn't be an issue. But since the religious people insist on forcing their oppressive views on everyone even though this is a secular country.

It is a bureaucratic waste of time to argue over abortion as a health care issue.

I don't really care if religious people don't want their taxes used to fund abortions (which they won't after this compromise anyways). I don't want my tax dollars funding an illegitimate war but I am out of luck on that too.
23 months ago: Not only religious people see abortion as wrong. Anyone with common sense knows what it is. Serious tunnel vision.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: I have common sense and I don't see anything wrong with 1st trimester abortion. Further it is not my business or anyone else's business what a women does with her body. I do not thing abortion should be used as a regular form of birth control, but so long as it is in the first trimester then it is not anyone's business.
23 months ago: We've had this dance before.

All due respect, your opinion is wrong and as long as innocent babies are dying I consider it my business whether anyone else likes it or not.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: My opinion is wrong? I was not aware of the fact that an opinion could be wrong...thats why its an opinion.

Moving on: In order for something to die, it would need to be alive in the first place. This is simply not the case during the 1st trimester of pregnancy.

Further, just because you think its your business doesn't mean it is.
23 months ago: If in some-one's OPINION, all Blacks, Jews, and Indians are low-breed, sub-human animals that should be sent to the gas chamber, wouldn't you consider that opinion to be wrong?

A simple Yes or NO will suffice.


Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: A simple yes or no will not suffice.

If you are asking if I THINK that opinion is wrong the the answer is yes.

If you are asking if that opinion IS wrong then the answer is no.

People are free to think what they want on matters of opinion. On matters of fact it is a totally different matter.

I assume you have no response to my previous comment...
23 months ago: So then it's not a FACT that Blacks, Jews and Indians are not sub-human? And I am free to have any OPINION I want of them. And If in my OPINION I feel they should be used for target practice that Opinion should never be seen or considered as being wrong thinking?

If you really believe that, then in my opinion you have lost your mind.

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: Nobody can stop you from THINKING anything. Further you have the right to say anything you want, that being said if it is not legal speech then you can get punished for it. So saying or executing that opinion is where it becomes factually wrong. I have no way to control what is happening inside your head though.


I still assume you have no response to my post that is actually related to this article?
23 months ago: That's a dodge. The thinking is in fact wrong.

As for the previous post, I already answered you.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
23 months ago: It's not a dodge...and nobody can say what is in your head is right or wrong. If I know that someone thinks that way I would certainly disagree but until its put to action there is nothing legally wrong with it.

No you didn't. How does something that is not alive, die?
23 months ago: What are you trying to do? Squeeze another post out of me? You know where I stand on this.

I'll respond for the sake of others who may be reading this.

Physical life begins at conception. The baby is a unique individual at that point. Baby has her own DNA and during the first trimester all of the organs included the heart and brain are functioning. She is a separate person from, yet still dependent on the mother. That in now way belittles the significance of her life, because we are dealing with another unique individual.

In your opinion, correct me if I'm WRONG, unless the brain is 100% functioning the baby is not alive. I don't buy that. Simple - we disagree.

BTY - Mandoman -- where are you?

Also - "nobody can say what is in your head is right or wrong. "

Baloney in the highest order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmPRHJd3u...

WRONG THOUGHTS most definitely can lead to WRONG actions. It's in the corrupt imaginations of people that atrocities are born.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
23 months ago: The problem here is that you'll have a poor mother who can't pay for the abortion and so she'll have the kid. That leads to us paying the mother to raise her child for the next 18+ years.
23 months ago: So be it.

There needs to be specific programs in place to help these women whose men are hiding in the bushes.

Abortion is a blight on this Nation.

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