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Health care votes/promises roll in: What's going to happen?

Posted 23 months ago|10 comments|1,056 views
Health care votes are complex.
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Chris D
Seattle, WA
It's anybody's call what's going to happen in Washington, D.C. this weekend. President Obama is spending his time making final pleas for health care reform, and our elected officials are going to be spending this weekend working on multiple health care votes. So, it's business as usual.

Pushing toward a Sunday health care vote that could transform the nation's health-insurance system, House leaders announced a $940 billion compromise Thursday that would extend coverage to the vast majority of Americans, cut billions of dollars from Medicare, and impose new taxes on the wealthy and the well-insured.

Here's some of what the health care votes will be about. Feel free to correct me -- researching health care votes and bills is difficult.

- Every American will be required to have health insurance under penalty of law. All businesses will be required to offer health insurance to their employees unless they fall into a category of "small businesses" which is loosely defined by profits/number of employees. If a business owner does not offer health care, the government will penalize him or her.

- People who are unemployed will need to purchase from a "health care pool." Nobody seems to understand exactly what this means...

- Health insurance companies will not be able to deny applicants coverage because of pre-existing conditions. (But if you have cancer, your premiums will be astronomically expensive.)

- People will be able to purchase health insurance in any state, with the intent of promoting a free market. (This will likely cause insurance companies to move their "headquarters" to a tax-haven state.)

- Medicare and Medicaid will be expanded and cut in various places. It's very complex.

- No tort reform is included in the health care votes.

- The health care reform bills are supposed to reduce the deficit somehow.

If you're keeping score, or you're interested in health care votes, watch C-SPAN this weekend. It's sure to be interesting.


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23 months ago: No Chris.

The whole thing is to ultimately set up a single payor health care system and screw the country.

Everything else is a flat out LIE.

Period.
Ryan_D
Ryan_D
Tacoma, WA
23 months ago: Hmm. Should be interesting to see how this plays out. It may be a little more complex than "screwing the country" as redstateguy so eloquently puts it.

I am interested in how they think that this will reduce the deficit...

And as for unemployed folks purchasing health care... I don't see how that's going to work. I figure they would make up a large part of the current uninsured Americans anyway.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
23 months ago: They took out the "Doctor Fix" which was once in the Health Insurance Reform bill, and made it its own bill, which costs $240 bill. There goes that 130 billion that the Reform bill was to reduced the defecit. When will D.C. learn that we are not as stupid as they tried to make us with their public schools!
23 months ago: ...- People will be able to purchase health insurance in any state, with the intent of promoting a free market. (This will likely cause insurance companies to move their "headquarters" to a tax-haven state.)...

What is that?

...- Medicare and Medicaid will be expanded and cut in various places. It's very complex...

How do you expand and contract at the same time?
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: The following article by the Wall Street Journal does a pretty good job of sorting out many of the questions you have. The article, "Consumers Would Benefit Soon After Health-Care Bill's Enactment" indicates that the primary bill would put about a half-dozen major consumer provisions in place six months after it is signed. Insurance companies would no longer be able to cancel enrollees' policies because they got sick, or to place lifetime caps on their policies' payouts. And children could stay on their parents' insurance policies until their 26th birthday.
Starting this year, small businesses with fewer than 25 employees and average annual wages of less than $50,000 would be eligible for tax credits to cover up to 35% of their insurance premiums. Among other things, the companion package would provide a $250 rebate this year to seniors who face a Medicare prescription-drug coverage gap known as the doughnut hole.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...
scotmanster
scotmanster
23 months ago: "I am interested in how they think that this will reduce the deficit..."

You interest is only going to cost the taxpayer 1 trillion dollars.

Meanwhile alot of you have no clue what is in the bill and you are so ever lovingly and blindly supporting it because it has come down to "its better than nothing" mentality. If that is not a disgrace to human intelligence then I don't know what is.

You trusted Obama for change and the majority that voted for him say it is not the change we needed. His once hardline supporters are distancing themselves from him. Politicians are running for cover because they know political retribution is just one election away. What makes you think this Health care plan devised by Obama and his cronies will not be the same? Fool me once shame on me but if your fooled again and again it just makes you a follower not a leader.

A foolish people get what they deserve.
22 months ago: Nice piece Chris. Any information on this monster is welcome. What I find so amazing is that so many Americans have become government dependants to the point which freedom is bartered away in exchange for big Mommy government to take care of them.
It is easy to find people who will support socialized health care in countries that have it because for those living off the taxes of others it is another handout. It is also easy for the government to ration health care in these systems, though it is not called "rationing". If your child has cancer and the government does not deem it worth the tax payers interest to spend money on that child's life they simply put the child on a "list" for treatment which is long enough that the child will not live to receive it. Nice, neat and handy for saving money. The government is not "rationing" it is just that some people are to ill to make it until treatment becomes available. This may be fine and dandy for those willing to spend others money in the name of "progressivism", or sacrifice other peoples children for the good of all. If it is my child however I want treatment regardless, even if it costs everything I have.
22 months ago: This is an obvious (for those not already indoctrinated) move toward the socialized "nanny state". It has been proven that once a government has control of the health care system it is almost impossible to get socialism (reheated and repackaged communism) out. This is because anyone running on the platform of reducing government intrusion of our lives and pocket books will be accused of "wanting to take away you and your children's health care". I have little doubt this is what Obama and company are betting on.
It is a very sad thing that the once proud and prosperous, hard working and hard playing USA has become a mass of ignorant and dependant sheep. We will pay dearly for this. Socialism always seems sweet until very few have the desire or motivation to support the other guy who is doing very little. Then the government starts flexing its power over us and we realize the slavery we have sold ourselves into. Though it seems the socialist have realized a slow and steady indoctrination into dependancy and slavery works best. I guess as the masses become disconnected with freedom they will be numb to freedom. Very sad for our children and grandchildren.
Ks_Progressive
Ks_Progressive
Lawrence, KS
22 months ago: Amazing how so many ignorant, uneducated, opinionated people can have so many things to say about something they know absolutely nothing about. Time for one and all to quit regurgitating the lies of their fellow hypocrites and start to study reality more. Wake up America and quit following the Lemmings who have been misleading you since the the NeoConservative's Deception began. I suggest a Naomi Klein book - "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism'. Perhaps it will open your Closed and Empty minds.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: I agree Ks I am not for a welfare state either. I don't think the deception is only occurring with capitalism either we have States declaring their sovereignty becuase all of the liberal changes. The only fact is we will be flipping the bill.

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