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Google, Google News, and Adsense.

Posted 15 months ago|17 comments|1,228 views
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Google
It is impossible to "Game" Google. You may use tactics to get a head up on organic search. But that is why Google provides Analytics. To help you do that. To find what works and what doesn't in regards to Keywords, SEO, Link-backs, etc. These things were designed into the system so that you could fine tune your page ranking. Google is simply an index. And they index everyone. And they allow everyone access to the tools to better their ranking. There is no way to "Game" Google.

Adsense
How Google Adsense works and why it is nearly impossible to "game". I will preempt this by saying yes on a very small scale it may be possible to make a couple of dollars. But any organized party type of scam is virtually impossible. Or I should say well beyond the range of the unwashed. The number of variables in play in Google's algorithm protect it from all but the most sophisticated attacks using multiple ip masks and redirects etc.

First of all you must understand how and what Adsense does. Adsense takes payment from companies to get ads in front of potential clients based on the content the customer is viewing along with the customers data gathered by all of the means that Google employs.

Google pays publishers who make that content available for viewing on their rented server space. Anyone can use adsense on any server they have the permission to edit. You do not need a domain to get started.

Now here is the important part. While adsense pays publishers per click they are actually paying for impressions. Which is why you will see a better rate per click on posts and pages with higher view counts. Advertising works on all of the viewers not just the clickers. Everyone that sees the ad is a potential future sale (just like TV) which is why Adsense even bothers with telling you how many page views you have.

Adsense has evolved. Find discussion forums from a couple years ago. Then it was much more vulnerable. And unfortunately a lot of the information you'll find online today harks back to that time. Today it is nearly impossible. Those same forums today are more about getting the best rate from the service. Which is of course what business is about.

Google knows who clicks, when they click and how often they click, they know how long the person spent on the page they know where the person came from and where they go when they leave. This information makes it nearly impossible to truly game the system.

They use that information when deleting accounts.

Google News

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Tax-Man---O...

http://www.heartburn-acid-reflux-symptom...

This is the only way you can game Google News. Either a programmed robot (which I think this probably was) or by a human drone cutting and pasting stories into a page. This is what Google News is fighting. This is Spammy.

Google News is not concerned with quality. Because it can not be judged by algorithm. They are concerned about plagiarism because it can, and it hurts their image. But they are not interested in trying to qualify the posts that they are indexing. They allow their viewers to do that for themselves.

Remember Google News presents articles from all over the world and written in all of the worlds languages. Think about the enormity of trying to make any kind of content decisions on quality basis. Nope not ever going to happen.

But they can and will pull the plug on sites that spam them. They can and will pull the plug on sites that contain copied materials like the link above. Because that is the only way that the Google News system can be "Gamed". Viewers make the difference. If you have no viewers you loose ranking, its that simple. And of course you gain viewership by presenting articles that will appear to the masses.

Now if your good maybe tomorrow I will write about the history of news reporting and journalism.
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15 months ago: Funny. Now your claiming that I rewrote an article. All the while your posts have backlinks to your own pages. This is ripe. Too funny. I suggest the RR staff review each and every one of your post to determine if your backlinking.

When did you start backlinking? Was it after you received a email from a RR player? I think your own words tell us all how your think and play.

And the site wanted to make you a moderator...Dang!
15 months ago: Matter of fact...I'm going to tweet this post...just for fun....
15 months ago: So you cant read either. I wasent accusing you of doing anything. That page was stolen from you. God man get a grip.
15 months ago: Backlinking is not link farming and again you show yourself to be an incredible bore.
15 months ago: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=backlink&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

What is the purpose?
15 months ago: Backlinking is not link farming and again you show yourself to be an incredible bore.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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15 months ago: Can somebody explain in detail the concept of backlinking? I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
15 months ago: See my comment below where I explain what backlinking is to Box.

If you have questions I'll answer them, but not if you're making accusations against me or others doing things right.

Any RR you have that includes a link in it gave some site a backlink.

If your purpose is to try to bait someone this is a really bad topic to choose. Google bans for life. There is no reason to pick on someone trying to provide more info. RR doesn't explain it and has misled people about Adsense.

If RR is going to stay afloat they need to provide good info to their members because right now many have the wrong impression. You are not helping that. Your comments here and your 'how to rank" post are misleading.

People get caught by Google. Read the article I posted in the other reply on this page. It's got good info in it.

Thanks
15 months ago: Wow Cypress. Thanks for turning me onto his games. This site is disgusting.
13 months ago: "This site is disgusting."

The person who posted isn't doing anything wrong by providing a link. RR, however, has failed miserably at providing a safe place for people to write, earn a little money, engage in lively debate, and so on.

It is so very easy for someone w/a little information to mislead a whole group. Just look at Alex Layton's post. Really read it. He says they are changing the site for the better, and they're drawing the wrong crowd with the "get paid to post" thing. The ONLY thing they changed was the % of Adsense. Getting kicked from News cost them a lot of money because they lost thousands of views/day.

His post insinuated that people who use Adsense are bad, the cause of the site going astray. Funny thing though - this site runs on Adsense. People were looking for someone to blame. Alex's post just laid down scent in front of coon dogs and they ran right after it.

In the meantime, people who did nothing wrong have been attacked and accused of conspiracy crap. RR does nothing, changed nothing, and still has the same posts it did before it was banned. It's smoke and mirrors.

Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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15 months ago: Adsense

Easy enough to cheat on this. Using the TOR Network, and a clicker program, a pre-programmed set of mouse clicks can point to an ad, sign out, change ip addresses from around 3500 different computers, sign back in, and click an ad again. Then add in a few dozen virtual machines, each with their own IP and MAC address, and the totals go up exponentially.

The likelihood of getting nailed by an algorithm are infinitesimal, the only way it could is if Google infiltrates the TOR network with thousands of trap relay stations. The encryption factor on TOR is impenetrable by any other means. One drawback: since Google and Homeland Security are now best buds, the thousands of NSA listening points on the Tor network might be reporting any scam activity back to Google.
15 months ago: If banks and other "biggies" can get hacked.... Google is not exception. I think it is more simple than this, Adsense doesn't make sense, and it doesn't pay, it only gets paid. If by chance they throw you a bone... you are a fortunate one.

Who is going to know the difference? Who polices the monopoly?
15 months ago: @Out of the Box

Please read this, esp since you're a new mod. Congrats! Cypress is very wrong by accusing Slim of link farming because backlinking and link farming are 2 completely different things. The post is an outright accusation of cheating Google & a harmful personal attack on Slim.

What is Backlinking?
Backlinking is something that ALL WEBSITES DO. Google recommends that all sites have UNIQUE content and QUALITY posts so that people naturally want to read, pass on, and link to your article.

Ex: An RR "liked" by FB or sent on Twitter - those are backlinks. TCG gave Slim natural backlinks to the post by putting it on Twitter. It may be easier to think of the term "link back" or "cite" when talking about backlinking--it's a way to offer readers extra or related info.

Google uses the # of backlinks in its algorithm as just one of the many factors that it counts to rank an article on Google. Take Wikipedia as an example. People post links to it in articles, etc. to help readers learn something. Wikipedia has 1000s of backlinks. Google "counts" backlinks to determine a site's worth and popularity.

A backlink is GOOD for a site, not bad. A backlink and a link farm are not the same thing. A link farm is like a group of people just posting links on a page to try to ARTIFICIALLY inflate themselves. The artificial is a key word.

This article explains more about links and how JcPenney used illegal linking to get ranking high in Google. (by giving you the link, Search engine Land gets a backlink)

http://searchengineland.com/new-york-tim...

To Happy, Truth, Cypress:
Cypress is NOT correct here. Guys, please learn about how Adsense actually works and all the rules honest writers follow before making accusations or believing them.

Accusations like Cypress is making are not okay. If it was true, that's one thing, but it's not.

Hope this helps someone understand better.
15 months ago: Because I have no knowledge of any of these "war games" when it comes to the internet I bow out. I am not here to make money. Sometimes there are great articles and comments. That is what I enjoy. I have no interest in "clicking for cash". I have 2 jobs thank God and not in need of increasing my income. All I ask for is honesty. To me there is nothing worse then taken credit for other people's work.

My thoughts are with helping people and not back-linking or any of that stuff. Hope you all understand that.
15 months ago: Slim said in a comment the other day regarding how R&R did not give 2 weeks notice of a pay cut:

"If this is true it constitutes a breech of contract and I will have all of my content removed from this site and consider sueing for loss of income. I took three dated screen shots today that highlight the claim of 100% ad revenue, A shot of the current ad code and the blurb that says they are a google news provider. I live in a town full of law students."

So you've had a few days to think about it: do you have a summons? Is this article you wrote your summons? Or is this your for real last article? Or do you need to need to write a bit more to make a decision.
13 months ago: While you're busy trying to get under people's skin there are others who are legitimately trying to earn a living. The fact that you hide behind a computer screen and poke people with sticks is ridiculous.

I thought you were here to release your great book about plutonomy. Perhaps you providing us with examples of ways in which others try to discourage people from earning their own money and being self-sufficient?

I imagine if someone came into your place of employment and started harassing you with no provocation, you would not like it. Just because you do not fully understand how to make money online, or because you believe the claims by others that people using Adsense are doing something, it does not make you right.

I have NEVER supported people plagiarizing or writing spam posts on this site. Quite the opposite. I've actually written Alex and 2 mods to try to help, but to no avail.

I think you failed to see the big picture. RR cut Adsense to recoup their $$$ lost by the Google News ban - RR hasn't done one thing from Alex's post except cut Adsense. And, they STILL advertise they pay 100%. So, who is misleading here? WHO is really all about the money? Add that to your book.

Have you ever read about a behavioral theory that people exhibit certain traits in situations where they think they can? RR is a study in situational attribution. I wonder if your demeanor on this site is your standard behavior...if your goal is to degrade people and win competitions of being disliked. What a goal...

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