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Glenn Beck needs to read a book

Posted 25 months ago|41 comments|643 views
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Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
Glenn Beck needs to read a book, or a dictionary or wikipedia. He is intentionally misleading his viewers. Everything = Marxism...watch his show for 5 minutes...he will say the word Marxism 10000000000 times. He needs help. Socialism = Marxist, Health Care = Marxist, Obama = Marxist, Social Justice = Marxist, Blue = Marxist, 2 + 2 = Marxist.

Glenn Beck Please Stop: You have the right to spout your radical right wing nonsense but at least make an effort to understand what it is you are talking about.

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25 months ago: Da Beckmeister makes a heap mo' sense den dat guy whut don' do no good widout dat teleprompter.
Dat lady got her's a earful o rambling convosashun when she just aksed bout bein taxed so much.
Dat socialisted president gots hopes to make all da country luk like his home...in Kenyer.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
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Don Smith
Fairview, TN
25 months ago: Maybe the poster needs to do some reading.

so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm)
n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

Mr Beck is right in the money. Beware obama is a danger to us all..
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Ah yes...the dictionary...because that provides real world working definitions...oh wait, it doesn't. So Canada is a Marxist society? How about France? Germany? Spain?

The point it that Beck uses the words Socialism, Communism and Marxism interchangeably...and they are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
25 months ago: With all due respect , they are pretty interchangeable
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: They are not even remotely interchangeable...I am sorry you have not taken the time to really learn what they mean.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
25 months ago: I have , Marx theory was based in communism that was based on socialism. The common ground is they think the government should produce and distribute everything.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Marx theory was based in communism? Not at all. Marx wrote his Communist Manifesto and it was the Grandfather of Communism. Unfortunately the real world examples of Communism (China, Soviet Union, Cuba) are dramatic perversions of what Marx was really talking about. Socialism, while similar, has been very different in practice. I don't think that the Canadian government feels it should produce and distribute everything for example.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
25 months ago: You may have a point about Canada. Although its a very flawed system that doesn't work. But every other country that has attempted socialism did want to produce and distribute everything. Including our current administration. Marx theory came at the start of the industrial revolution and due to labor laws and unions that came about in the 20th century his idea became out dated. The real world examples are proof that Communism does not work. Socialism has been proven not to work many times over the years. And how in the world can you deny that Marx theories were not based on Communism when he wrote the book on it.. Give me a break.....
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Communist theory is based on Marx...not "Marx saw Communist theory and wrote about it".

I would argue that true Communism has never been attempted: The Soviets and China are not true Communism.

Socialism has failed but there are several successful examples in the world today: Canada, Sweden, France etc.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
25 months ago: France is in process of bailing on it as we speak. And Canada`s version can hardly be called successful. As usual, the rosy picture painted by the Left could not be farther from the truth.

First, assume that everything the Left has to say about Sweden is true. This would only make Sweden the exception which proves the rule. In other words, even if Sweden were heaven on earth, this fails to answer the question of why Cuba, China, North Korea, the USSR, and most of Africa, Latin and Central America, and Asia are much more akin to Hell on earth.

Second, it must be noted that the touted stories of Swedish socialism, if not generally false, omit important facts.

For starters, unlike the godless state to which American leftists aspire, Lutheranism is the state-supported religion of Sweden. (Despite this fact, less than 10 per cent of Swedes regularly attend church).

With respect to claim that Swedish socialism shows the "success" of socialism, free trade reigned in Sweden from roughly 1846 until the Social Democrats were elected in 1932. After 1932, Sweden was helped by its neutrality in World War Two. Unlike Germany, Sweden's major cities were not bombed flat. The Social Democrats, then, had a great deal of wealth produced by capitalism and undamaged by war to share as political spoils.
Colorado
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
25 months ago: Thanks perfect, this just cleared up and proved most followers of Glen Beck have no idea what socialism is or what Marxism really was. I am not a believer in Marxism but I have read most of his books and papers.

Guess what everyone? Marx thought Adam Smith had it right except for Smith's fair wage principle. Instead of a the subsistence wage Adam Smith had proposed Marx felt it would be better for workers to get more than bare survival wage and that the working class should unite to overthrow the unfair elite class and distribute goods and services equally.
25 months ago: I'm not sure anyone can say Marxism 10 billion times in 5 minutes.

Oh, you didn't mean 10 billion literally. I get it.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Once again TCG...nice to see you wasting your time and everyone else's time as well. Seriously, try to add something to the conversation rather than just randomly babble about pointless crap.
25 months ago: not really shill girl.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: you truly are stupid aren't you? You cannot make a real argument so you call me a girl...very mature...are you in the 5th grade now?
25 months ago: Perfect, what is the college you attend? Obama Camp, Americorps, Illinois U, City of C U, go F U (although unlikely as that would be Florida) or I..o..U..?

My guess is the last. I..o..U.....

When can we expect our check? One that won't bounce?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: What does this have to do with anything?

And once again, maybe your thick skull can absorb this, this time around:

My education debt, all of it, is held by a private bank.

Any chance of you trying to address a real issue or just continue with pointless personal attacks?
25 months ago: ...you truly are stupid aren't you?...

Must be smarter than you as it roped you in...putz...
25 months ago: Maybe your BS degeree working on you "Grad" MS" then thinking about the P.Hd. will admit who in this stupid...

...You said...My education debt, all of it, is held by a private bank....

A private bank? What the F is that? Please enlighten us to Who the F that is.

Really? You just showed us all you really are a putz.
25 months ago: Hey, did your wifey sign a prenuptial or is she on the hook for your life of scholastic leisure?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: I have a B.A.

My debt is held by a State bank in my home town. I have no federal loans. I did receive federal grants over the course of my education however.

Putz huh? what does that mean?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: I'm not married...I am engaged...My fiance is currently working on earning her Masters degree as well.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Is your problem with me the fact that I am educated and you are not?

Scholastic Leisure? not sure what that means. I work a "real" job, I work for the University and I take a full load of classes...not sure what's so leisurely about that.
25 months ago: A "real Job". Not likely. Today a "real job" for the "real world" is 60 plus hours a week. So your in a "real life job" and after your 60 hours a week you have the time and energy to spend another 30 hours a week on KNOWLEDGE to spread to the masses. I think not.

My guess is your working at a counter for 28 hours (or less) a week in air conditioning and breaks then you try to suggest to the world you actually work?

How many hours do you actually claim on your "time card"?

Do you know what work really is? Ever dug a ditch in the summer sun? Putz.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: I work in a woodworking factory. I make desks, bookshelves, tables etc. I carry heavy stuff around, its not air conditioned...it is very hot in the summer. I also, during the summer do side job work in roofing...so don't talk to me about "real" work.

Currently I put in 35 hours at the woodworking factory, 20 hours for the university and an additional 12 hours in class time. In the summer time I work about 50 to 60 hours at the factory and then a couple roofing jobs a week with my Uncle.
25 months ago: Correct me if I'm wrong...I might be confusing you with the other Noni.

Didn't you already post that you have received student assistance from the school which you are obligated to pay off with slave labor? Do I need to find the post to refresh your memory? Now your a grunt that works in a woodworking shop in the hot (what was that hot temp today) shop. Really, I'll pay you five days worth of your current wages if you can keep up with me for one 10 to 12 hour day without lagging behind for a second in Houston in the middle of August. No breaks or lunch. What do you make in a week?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: I didn't say it was slave labor, I said I receive tuition assistance in exchange for my work. I am not a grunt, I am actually a master woodworker (as was my father and grandfather).

So now, because I don't live in Texas it means my work is not as "good" as yours? Today it happened to be about 80 here. In the summer time it is usually around 95 and about 80% humidity. Inside the shop it averages about 105 - 110 in the summer. Am I supposed to feel bad because I live in Illinois and it doesn't get as hot here? I used to live in Phoenix...which is much hotter in the summer than Texas, and I did construction work there. I really don't believe you that you work 12 hour day without stopping ever or eating lunch (if this is true you should probably file a complaint against your employer). I am not really comfortable disclosing my wages to you but I can tell you that I make more than $500/week.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
25 months ago:
Politically, these men ( Marx and Smith ) are about as opposite as you can get.
Marx believed that the class in which a person is born is the one in which he or she will remain. Marx blames capitalism for the very thing it seeks to change. The beauty of a capitalist system is that it is free—we can own property, start a business, and live our lives as we so desire, provided we are not harming anyone.

Karl Marx, though he has been placed in the classic school of economic thought with other pro-capitalists, is renowned as an anti-capitalist and a pro-communist. According to Marx, the way we are each born to a specific set of parents is parallel to the way in which we are each born into a certain class—we cannot change who our parents are and we cannot change the class in which we were born. Some people are born into the working class and will forever be workers; others are lucky enough to be born in the capitalist class and therefore will forever belong in it. For Marx, these classes were the bourgeoisie and the proletariat; the bourgeoisie are the wealthy capitalists while the proletariat is the poor working class. Marx noted that the throughout history, the wealthy, ruling class always controlled the means of production. Along with the production and thus the economy, this class usually controlled the government, media, universities, and maintenance of the status quo. In order to remove the wealthy class from their position as such, Marx advocated a revolution of the proletariat. In order to change the current political and economic ideologies, the economy, education, and the media, the proletariat would need to create its own ideology and revolt against the capitalist forces. This, according to Marx, is the only way for oppressed peoples to improve their station in life; they must overthrow the old regime and create a new one in their favor. The new favorable ideology is, according to Marx, communism. Communism is a classless, stateless society in which the means of production are held in common. In this system, competition is eliminated and everyone has equal access to everything. This is the ideal political and economic situation for Marx.


Smith asserted that capitalism was the most logical, lucrative, and moral political and economic system. In this system, individual people are free to own property and do with it what they wish, they can also spend and earn in the manner they see fit. Privately owned property combined with the desire to earn, spend, and act productively leads to the natural market functions of the free market economy. The free market economy is dictated by competition which leads to the fairest prices and causes only the most efficient producers and consumers to benefit. Capitalism, for Smith, is not a political/economic philosophy that only benefits the rich. In his mind, everyone, because private property exists, has the chance to own, create, and earn their own living. Because of Smith's extensive virtue theory he relies heavily on the idea that ideally, many capitalists will master the higher level of virtues as to avoid becoming greedy and selfish. But, on the chance that they do not, the virtue of self-command, both a noble and lower virtue, will reign in any selfish desires. Smith's capitalist ideals are based on a moral system; he, unlike Marx, wants to avoid revolution at all costs and seek peace and justice at all times. "The peace and order of a society is of more importance than even the relief of the miserable." It is clear that Smith would in no way agree with a revolution of the proletariat; but in his eyes, one would never be necessary. Because of the natural and logical benefits of capitalism, each person- from the poorest to the richest has the potential and the capability to better him or herself in the capitalist economic system. For Smith, the answer to a highly functioning civil society is a free market—it is the most natural economic system.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: See my post from a while back about my views on Marxism:
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Here-I-stan...

I agree with you that Capitalism is a great system. I disagree that it is in fact a natural one though. For centuries people lived off barter type systems. The idea of "I have this which you need and you have that which I need so lets trade" seems more natural than Capitalism, unless of course we are talking about a truly free market, which has never existed.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
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25 months ago: Glad to hear that your not on the public loan doles and your soon to be wifey is also not a shill. That would be if you actually had a quarter of a soul and yes same to she rather than persenting yourself as all high and mighty.

State Bank? What state? The F.D.I.C. state? What a putz.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: Well, yeah I have the same FDIC insurance you do and everyone else for that matter.

I am not presenting myself as high and mighty...you are the one who constantly attack my education for no reason. I defend the fact that I have enjoyed my education and have learned a lot from it. You have no reason to be critical of my education: You say it has indoctrinated me--you don't know where I went to school and you don't know who taught there and you don't know what I learned and how I learned it.
25 months ago: Then is isn't "State" owned. It's Federal, meaning we are loaning you the money hoping you will pay it back...like most "Ferderal" State Bank college loans... putz...
25 months ago: Yeah right, you are consistantly calling me "stupid", "ignorant", "uneducated", "racist" among other things. You worm hole when being called a liberal socialist?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: I say you act those ways. Why you are so aggressive in your assault on my education is beyond me. I suggested it may be because you are bitter, maybe you just don't like it, maybe you had a bad experience...I don't know. You have shown some racial bias...so I called you out on it...you responded by attacking my education.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: And your money is protected by my tax dollars so yeah...how is that different?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
25 months ago: You didn't loan me anything. My bank did...most likely from the deposits of the other people who bank there. As I said earlier, I have no federal loans (perkins, stafford etc).
25 months ago: been playing around the funny colored mushrooms have you?
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
25 months ago: Don and a few others are saying that communism is the opposite of capitalism, but how do you explain China which is Communist yet has also embraced unfettered free market capitalism?

Don states that all of the Communist countries have failed, yet China has brought hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty, and are now successfully allowing 1.3 billion people to live successfully and to move into the 21st century.

The businesses and corporations in China were allowed to do whatever they wanted without any environmental regulations, safety, or other government regulations.

They are a Conservative's dream, which is why they are the most polluted country in the world, and we are getting all kinds of kids toys containing lead. Now they have figured out that the government has to regulate everything to improve the nations reputation.

The point is that everything is not black and white. People can have freedom and yet still have the government do things that the individuals can not do. Some things are done most successfully collectively like police, schools, fire, highways, health care.

The nations that are the happiest (Denmark, Sweden, Norway also have the government doing everything that Don claims are socialist like health care and yet they are also very free, and would not swap countries with us because we have become mediocre in so many areas.

Capitalist countries can have strong social services without any corresponding loss of freedoms, or dissatisfaction.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/05/world-h...

"White's research used a battery of statistical data, plus the subjective responses of 80,000 people worldwide, to map out well-being across 178 countries. Denmark and five other European countries, including Switzerland, Austria, and Iceland, came out in the top 10, while Zimbabwe and Burundi pulled up the bottom."

"Not surprisingly, the countries that are happiest are those that are healthy, wealthy, and wise. "The most significant factors were health, the level of poverty, and access to basic education," The US came in 23rd.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: China has "allowed" certain industries and capitalist ventures to exist for the sole purpose of getting their economy on track. They would not have the billions to loan out to other countries had they not done this, and as with all things communist, it is but a means to an end.

Without capitalism, which they adopted in the 1990's, they would still be just another oppressive third world country.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
25 months ago: Communist, as in communal? Are you kidding? The gap between Chinas rich and poor is turning into a chasm. Chinas innovators, investors, and captains of industry are richly rewarded. They live in luxury housing developments whose streets are lined with mansions. The feed in fancy restaurants, and relax in five-star hotels and resorts. Chinas poor live in a different world. Mao Tse Tung would turn in his grave.

The communist party is the only party there is. China doesnt have freedom of speech or freedom of the press. It doesnt tolerate dissent. Authorities can arrest and imprison people who threaten stability, as the party defines it. Any group that dares to protest is treated brutally. There are no civil liberties, no labor unions, no centers of political power outside the communist party.

China shows that when it comes to economics, the dividing line among the worlds nations is no longer between communism and capitalism. Capitalism has won hands down. The real dividing line is no longer economic. Its political. And that divide is between democracy and authoritarianism. China is a capitalist economy with an authoritarian government.
Don Smith
Don Smith
Fairview, TN
25 months ago: Denmark is a paradise for people who don't like to work. The welfare system is designed to assure that anyone not working has at least the same standard of living as those who do. Thus, there's no incentive to ruin your spare time by looking for work. In fact, more than half of the population is financed by the working minority, who must pay for pensioners, unemployed, social security clients, single mothers, immigrants and the civil servants who count about half of the working population. By promising and giving money to these groups, the socialist-communist parties have managed to keep themselves in power at the cost of the working minority that are slaves of the government and those financed by it.

By contrast, the part of the welfare system that's being used by the working population, is being starved of money. Thus, the health system has slid further and further down when compared with similar countries. Danes are brainwashed to think their health system is the best in the world and they like to criticise the British system, but the British system has been improving and is certainly not worse than the Danish now. This is the case despite the population paying the world's highest taxes. People who don't fancy dying while awaiting a life-saving operation either have to pay cash at one of the new private hospitals (private hospitals were illegal until the eighties) or abroad or pay for private medical insurance. So should this be the model for America?

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