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Gay Terrorists Bully And Bash Those Who Disagree

Posted 9 months ago|190 comments|5,089 views
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"Is Chick-fil-A executive Donald Perry dead because of bullying from the gay lobby and opportunistic politicians? ...There have been death threats, calls for Chick-fil-A boycotts, and attacks on the company from liberal politicians. The mayors of Chicago, San Francisco, and Boston have all said they don't want the franchise in their cities."
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.actio...

"The gay rights group Equality Illinois is launching a campaign, 'Flick-the-Hate,' which urges people to sign a petition to evict Chick-fil-A restaurants from universities and malls, reports CBS Chicago...On Friday, Aug. 3, Equality Illinois is urging gay and lesbian couples to go to Chick-fil-A restaurants for a "kiss-in" campaign, where "LGBT supporters will show their disdain for Chick-Fil-A's policies with public displays of affection in front of their restaurants.""
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/...

"Boston Mayor Thomas Menino has urged Chick-fil-A to stop of its plans to open in Boston and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel says Chick-fil-A has no place in the city of Chicago. "Chick-fil-A's values are not Chicago values, Emanuel told the Chicago Sun-Times. "They're not respectful of our residents, our neighbors and our family members. And if you're gonna be part of the Chicago community, you should reflect Chicago values. However, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a supporter of same-sex marriage, said it is not the government's business to interfere with Chic-fil-A's stance."
http://www.counselheal.com/articles/2371...

Where is the coveted "Separation of Church and State" now? When Officials in office take their stand against individuals, and boycott or "evict" them from a city, State or Country... Somebody better wake up fast! Obama sponsored the Gay Wars, when he took his Presidential stand against history, by his favor to change the historical term marriage, to include homosexual unions. I don't think Christianity and other religions that hold marriage sacred really saw what happened by that 'executive order'...
in effect Obama made it "open season" on religion at the hands of gay terrorists!
Freedom of religion? Stay tuned for your State Religion indoctrination!

www.indoctrinenation.com

As it stands, it is apparently no longer "correct" to have a personal belief in the USA... and if you do, and it disagrees with Gay Activists, then you will suffer the full wrath of Gay Terrorists at the protection, and encouragement of your Government! IF any organization boycotted business or person because they were homosexual, God forbid; they would be crucified along with Dan Cathy, and recently deceased Donald Perry! The intolerant hate mongers like Dan Savage must be in their glory.

The answer to the question I am about to ask, is obviously apparent to all those who accuse Christians of the opposite; accusing them of hate, burning witches,
killing homosexuals and other 'religious' crimes; and the question is...
does everyone expect Christians to just turn the other cheek?

American Muslims Stone Christians But Victims Get Arrested
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/American-Mu...

Pope Obama's Homosexual America
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Pope-Obamas...

The War On Christians
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/The-War-On-...

Who is the Bully
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCq54Gbd1...

For The Record : Santorum Vs. Savage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOtpzg7L...

Muppets vs. Chick-fil-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctPXhBnht...

"Don't Waste Your Life" by John Piper
http://dwynrhh6bluza.cloudfront.net/reso...
UPDATE - 9 months ago
"Bash Back - Gay AntiChristian Terrorists...a militant homosexual group disrupted a service at the Mount Hope Church which is described as a Pentecostal mega church in Lansing, Michigan. Distracting the church's security guards, several of the demonstrators stood and shouted, "It's okay to be gay" and "Jesus was a homo." Thirty members dressed in pink and black terrorist garb stormed into the sanctuary. Their antics included unfurling a rainbow flag from the balcony, setting off a fire alarm, and throwing fliers and condoms at the congregation. Two lesbians stormed the pulpit put on a lewd display in front of the families and their children. Security also discovered that members of the group were performing sex acts in the restroom. The church was vandalized, obscenities were shouted and worshippers were confronted. To add to the life endangering confusion and chaos the group pulled the fire alarm, also endangering the entire Lansing community as emergency personnel were diverted to a false fire."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yXaPFwBd...
UPDATE - 9 months ago
"Gay activist Dan Savage bullies Christian teens and bashes Christianity... From Fox News. Excerpt:

As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant "pansy assed.""
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2012/...
UPDATE - 9 months ago
"Pro-Gay Marriage ACLU Defends Chick-fil-A...
Chick-fil-A may have an unlikely advocate in the controversy surrounding its support for traditional marriage.
The American Civil Liberties Union, which supports gay rights and other liberal issues, recently said the restaurant should not be discriminated against for its words and opinions.
Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy has publicly stated his belief in God and the biblical definition of marriage as between a man and a woman.
Following his comments, Boston Mayor Thomas Menino and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel said they plan to protest by banning Chick-fil-A restaurants in their cities. Menino has since backed off the idea, but the ACLU warned other government leaders not to join in the type of threats the mayors made."
http://www.charismanews.com/us/33892-pro...%29
UPDATE - 9 months ago
"FRC Shooter Carried 15 Chick-fil-A Sandwiches...
Yesterday's shooter, who was a homosexual activist who volunteered at a D.C. lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community center, took the argument to a whole new and ugly level."
http://www.charismanews.com/us/33980-frc...%29
UPDATE - 9 months ago
It would seem the only defense against solid evidence that supports the Bible is... psychology... because there is not a shred of real evidence to the contrary. All psychology can offer is some "great" questions... but they are still no match for solid Biblical answers !:]
UPDATE - 8 months ago
"...LGBT Gay activist Bradley Balof, a Chicago public school teacher incites a crowd of gay men to hurl expletives at Christians. Do we have gay activist teachers promoting hate speech towards Christian children in our schools. Pro-homosexual activists attacked the Christian Liberty Academy throwing two large, concrete brick pavers through its glass doors. Gay publications, gay newspapers and gay bars are hotbeds of anti-Christian hate speech and they encourage to violence against Christians."
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/77...
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9 months ago: It's a sad day in America where the local governments, politicians and the lunatic fringe can attempt to prevent the opening of a store in its community due to its philosophical and religious beliefs and find any kind of support. That's just sick.

If there were proven and documented discriminatory practices in hiring and serving the community by CFA, that's a different story. However, I have seen ZERO in regard to corroborating any of that.

As a matter of fact when I've asked about it on another post, the issue was dismissed as if it didn't matter in all the discussion. How does that work?

"I will attempt to shut you down because I don't like the way you think" is an absurd concept. It is not only absurd, it is moronic in its attitude and exhibits behavior supported only by extremely confused, ignorant, and insecure people.

Disagreement does not always equal hate. Some folks are just too lost, paranoid, or dense to understand that.

Freedom will prevail on this issue.
9 months ago: Gay Terrorists know full well that Christians are not hypocrites... in fact they are counting on it! This is why they don't bash Islam... because they would easily get a jihad response. But with the Christian, the Gay agenda knows they will turn the other cheek... even Islam has a term for Christians in their own language... "Those who don't resist" ...and as I said Gay Terrorists like Dan Savage are counting on it!

You can protest the sale of furs by killing animals, because they are worn by grannies... but start protesting the sale of leather by killing animals, and you are up against the Hell's Angels! Big difference. The entire politico-gay agenda proves that Christianity is legit, and they fear the truths that it holds...
9 months ago: Truth, please don't say that Christians are not hypocrites. Of all the people I know, from all the different religions they practice, Christians by far are the worst hypocrites, Muslims are next worst. Ever hear of "do what I say not what I do"? That appears to be their motto and their creed. What do you think turned me off religion? I was raised Christian. By the time I was 16 I began to see the light. After I left home and joined the military it became a glowing orb. After a few more years of observation, a beacon, now it is a sun. Truth is what guides me, it is my shining light. I have yet to see anything but near darkness from religion and Christianity is only a dim light, brighter than Islam, but still without the heat of truth. There are religions from Asia that glow brighter than anything with ties to Christianity.

I already know what your response will probably be. The Bible. The "Word of God". All I have to do is read it and it will become self evident that it is the true and only true word.

Well what do you think they say about the Koran? The Torah? and all the other religious writings used by all the other religions of the world to prove that theirs is the one and only way.

You want to know where separation of Church and State is? It got lost when religious fanatics started demanding that politicians adhere to THEIR religious doctrines when making decisions that had nothing to do with right and wrong.
When you vote for a politician you probably want one that goes to church, is against abortion, supports the drug war, doesn't drink, believes that schools should require prayer before, during and after classes and any number of religious based ideals. None of which have a damn thing to do with running this country. Sure they all sound like good things for a politician to do, but the religious fanatics have made most of them criteria for getting the job and because they have ganged together with other fanatics, it is pretty much a given that if a politician does not adhere to that criteria, they probably won't get the job.

Should politicians be saying publicly that they will work to keep CFL out of their city? Probably not. They should be saying that they will have their eye on the business and if any discrimination is found that they will be sanctioned or their business license will be pulled.

As for not having a belief in the USA that does not align with the Gay Activists. Well I expect the citizens in this country have more balls than having to worry about being aligned with one small group or fear retribution. Maybe in Canada where the women wear the pants you have to worry about a little group of Activists, but down here, we all get to speak our minds and have our own thoughts on what is and what isn't how we will live our lives.

Since that is what True Christians are supposed to do, then yes, you will turn the other cheek. It might not be the same kind of cheek, but in order to avoid more hypocrisy, there better be a lot of turning.

No one here expects Christians to lay down and let any group run over them but to take the offensive would cause a loss of respect that would do more harm than good.
9 months ago: Six,

I agree with you, if you are saying that 'turning the cheek' is different than standing up for what you believe... however you say that Americans stand up to 'little' activist groups... NOT, especially when they are sanctioned and protected by your Commander in Chief. It doesn't matter that laws and decisions in court reflect the gay agenda, people are too busy being 'patriotic' to see where this bias will get them in the future. Preferential treatment for this special interest group will be the destruction of the family in America!
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Studies-Out...
9 months ago: "Bash Back - Gay AntiChristian Terrorists...a militant homosexual group disrupted a service at the Mount Hope Church which is described as a Pentecostal mega church in Lansing, Michigan. Distracting the church's security guards, several of the demonstrators stood and shouted, "It's okay to be gay" and "Jesus was a homo." Thirty members dressed in pink and black terrorist garb stormed into the sanctuary. Their antics included unfurling a rainbow flag from the balcony, setting off a fire alarm, and throwing fliers and condoms at the congregation. Two lesbians stormed the pulpit put on a lewd display in front of the families and their children. Security also discovered that members of the group were performing sex acts in the restroom. The church was vandalized, obscenities were shouted and worshippers were confronted. To add to the life endangering confusion and chaos the group pulled the fire alarm, also endangering the entire Lansing community as emergency personnel were diverted to a false fire."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yXaPFwBd...
9 months ago: That was unacceptable behavior for any group. So sad that homophobes do the same or worse which results in retaliation after retaliation.
9 months ago: As a general rule we do not let small groups rule society. As for courts reflecting the gay agenda, I prefer to look at it as the playing field is being leveled instead of the old way where one side stacks the deck in their favor.

Considering that the "family" in America is in no danger if it truly is a family, your concern is misplaced. It is when the family group fails to become a supporting group for all members that it begins to fail. To shun a member due to differences in religion or sexual preference or even due to choice of political party is one small crack that could soon grow into a chasm. Outside influences will not separate a member unless those within the group fail to ensure that the member knows that they are still accepted but that some choices are not agreeable and allowances must be made on both sides.
9 months ago: Six,

First, you hate Christians, so what ever someone does to them is justified somehow. I have yet to hear of Christians going into a gay bar and Bible thumping... or threatening them. Now other groups have waged war on homosexuals, but not 'cheek-turning' Christians !:]
9 months ago: Six,

Your so-called leveling of the 'playing field' has no place in a fair court. IF something is wrong, it should be wrong for everyone... otherwise according to your logic it would be right for Blacks to have White slaves...
9 months ago: Hate? Very strong word. Distrust, have no use for their religion, consider them the supreme hypocrite, those I'll agree with, but to hate someone or something would lead one to believe that I would go out of my way to harm them. No I won't accept hate.

And you are not spreading the definition of Christian very broad if you think there are no hate crimes by Christians against gays, many of them in or near gay bars. Good 'ol boys out for a little fun...... Most of them who will get up the next Sunday and sit in the pew next to you or someone like you and not think a thing about the gay guy whose face he smashed in the night before. or were you just funnin me.....

I'd like to meet a true cheek-turning Christian. They seem to be in short supply.
9 months ago: My leveling of the playing field has to do with the FACT that there are so many laws already on the books that favor heterosexuals at the expense of homosexuals that it is time they be brought to light so that they can be corrected or removed from the books.

There is something wrong and it has been wrong for many years but it is only wrong if you are homosexual and trying to live the good life like a heterosexual, the laws are written to deny the homosexual the same rights granted the heterosexual.

Since you are against the very existence of any one who practices homosexuality, you will deny to your dying day that that discrepancy exists because to admit it is to admit that unfair policies were established in order to unfairly advantage one group over the other. Neither you nor I caused the problem, but as citizens of countries that profess to have a fair legal system, we are supposed to work to correct such inequities.

Well to tell the truth, slavery as an institution has it's advantages for both the owner and the slave. Admittedly in the past that advantage has been heavily in the owners favor but there are times in history that the arrangement has proven to improve everyone's quality of life. That said, yes, if it was a legal institution blacks could own whites and vice verse. My definition of "slave" is probably a bit broader than others and the rights of an owner are not near as broad as historical definitions will put them. Being a slave to credit bureaus is something we all are. We are at their mercy and that is something they have little of.
9 months ago: Six,

If you are referring to my past where I said I smashed someones face... he wasn't gay, and he bit off more than he could chew. I know it makes no difference, but most of my violence was directed toward bullies who thought they were tough... and if it is any consolation, I haven't punched anyone since the day I gave my life to Christ about 30 years ago (but it came close a few times !:])

Back then, gays would have been the last guys I would have 'bashed'
...and you can take that any way you want.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: Nah, they don't go to the Gay Bar...they just follow them home, break in, mutilate them, carve anti-gay messages into their bodies and light their homes on fire (Lincoln Nebraska last week)....that's much better than advocating for equal rights for all people.
9 months ago: PH,

Ironically you mention persons who... "follow them home, break in, mutilate them" ...that sounds a whole lot like notable Gay Serial Killers...

Homosexual Serial Killers
Statistical analysis of the proportion of homosexuality among serial killers,
with a listing of prominent GLBT/homosexual serial killers
http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html
9 months ago: "Gay activist Dan Savage bullies Christian teens and bashes Christianity... From Fox News. Excerpt:

As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant "pansy assed.""
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2012/...
9 months ago: That's so disrespectful. I'm glad those students walked out.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: I assure that every high school student in America has heard the term "bull s*!*".

While his approach may be brash, his points are 1000% valid.
9 months ago: PH,

Typical double standard. You preach that the Bible has no place in school, yet praise the bashing of it and it's adherents... hypocritical! IF there is supposed to be a separation of Church and State... then State sanctioned "educators" shouldn't be allowed to cross that line and disrespect any religion or it's followers. Educate not indoctrinate. Pitting Gay Atheists against those who disagree is proving my point...
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: But this wasn't in a school, it was at a conference. A conference that these people CHOSE to attend.

As far as I can remember, when I was in public school, I never heard any teacher talk about the bible (except in an elective class called Religions of the World).
9 months ago: PH,

After hypocritical remarks comes the splitting of hairs? So it wasn't "in a school" ...but the journalism courses were required, and no place for Dan to Savage the Bible.
9 months ago: Truth, there is no light at the end of this tunnel.
Don't waste your breath.
9 months ago: There is always hope... some very big names in Gay Activism have changed, Dan Savage and crew are no different !:]
9 months ago: Instead of spending their hard earned duckets elsewhere, I can't wait untill certain dumb azzes conduct a "kiss in" protest at a Halal Fried Chicken in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

That would be rich.

Maybe then they would finally understand the true meaning of the word TOLERANCE.
9 months ago: "FRC Shooter Carried 15 Chick-fil-A Sandwiches...
Yesterday's shooter, who was a homosexual activist who volunteered at a D.C. lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community center, took the argument to a whole new and ugly level."
http://www.charismanews.com/us/33980-frc...%29
9 months ago: Won't make the headlines. Gay people never do anything wrong.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: Neither do Christians...I didn't see any headlines about the Christian attack on a gay person in Lincoln...I didn't see any headlines about the PASTOR in Tennessee attacking a gay couple...I didn't see any headlines when anti-gay groups go into gay bars and start fights...hell, the psychopath far right wing nutcase Christian guy in Wisconsin who shot up a Sikh temple because he thought they were "evil, America-hating Muslims" was in the news for 4 hours and still has not been officially classified as a terrorist act (if a brown person of any faith had shot up a Christian church the headlines certainly would have had "TERRORISM" in giant bold print)....pathetic whining Christians...why should people feel sorry for them again?
9 months ago: PH - I like you but you have issues.

Everyone who call themselves a Christian is not that, Everyone who calls themselves a Muslim is not that, Everyone who calls themselves a secularist is not that.

Actions speak louder than words.

When will you figure that out, or is it just too easy for you to pigeon hole and blanketly condemn?
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: Just call it like it is. You cannot claim that just because someone else doesn't have the same interpretation of a story as you doesn't make them not a Christian. When will you get it through your head that there are good and bad people..and that includes Christians (and more so is amplified by Christianity...good Christians people tend to be very good people...evil Christian people tend to be VERY VERY evil.)
9 months ago: You don't even know or even understand what being a Christian is. So what makes you such a finger pointing authority?
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: I certainly do know and understand what being a Christian is. It is blindly believing in what other people tell you to believe. It is following a dogmatic faith that was designed and created to control people and convince them to pay taxes and worship monarchs.

What you seem to not be able to understand is that all religions is a joke, it's an INTERPRETATION. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian, Anders Breivik is a Christian, The Pastor from Tennessee who attacked a gay couple is a Christian, the men who broke into a gay women's home and mutilated her are Christians. You are a Christian. It doesn't matter that you don't like these people's interpretation of a faith, they are still members of that faith. They may not be members of your church, but they are members of the larger dogmatic religion of Christianity. SIMILARLY: The radical Islamic men who carried out the 9/11 attacks were Muslims. The London Bombers were Muslims. It doesn't matter that they are part of a small radical group of people who interpret their faith differently, they are part of that faith. This list can continue for almost every religion on earth (with the possible exception of Buddhism & NeoDruidism). The larger point is that all religion is evil.
9 months ago: PH,

Using your kind of logic, then you are part of the worst heartless mindless religion known to man... Atheism! You and most of China and countries that are governmentally Atheist commit the worst crimes against humanity... Oh, BTW the "men who carried out the 9/11 attacks were NOT Muslims" ...they were heartless mindless Atheists like you (in the CIA), didn't you get the MEMO??
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Official-91...
9 months ago: ...or is it that all who "call themselves" atheists, aren't true Atheists ?:]
9 months ago: PH,

One who follows the teachings of Karl Marx, is a Marxist...
one who FOLLOWS the teachings of Christ, is a Christian... And I thought you had an IQ over 65? Mmmm...
9 months ago: Your ignorance of Christianity is astounding.

In all the drivel you posted, you never even mentioned Jesus Christ. That in itself speaks to the depth of your understanding on the issue. There is none.

"The larger point is that all religion is evil. "

That would include your own. And if you say you are not relgious the only person you are foolling is yourself.

See ya.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: Truth & Huey,

No Christian follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. You follow the teachings of MAN. Man wrote the Bible, Man preach the Bible. Pastors, Ministers, Priests...these are the people who you follow. Your entire dogmatic faith is based on the teachings of MAN, not God...MAN. Christianity (like all religion) was created by man as a method of control. I don't care if you chose to believe in it, but don't try to force other people who are capable of free thought to fall into oppressive dogmatic man-made faith systems.
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9 months ago: "I don't care if you chose to believe in it, but don't try to force other people who are capable of free thought to fall into oppressive dogmatic man-made faith systems. ."

You mean like certain folks do with Darwinism?

The NT has been proven time and time again to have been written by eye witnesses and close associates of eye witnesses of the life, miracles, and majesty of Christ.

Neither you nor anyone else has nearly enough substantive evidence to prove anything conclusively to the contrary.

You may not believe it and that is your prerogative, but that does not change one iota of where it comes from.

Your life, your decision, your consequences. My life, my decisions, my consequences. Others have theirs as well.

Also, you don't know enough about me to claim who I follow other than Jesus Christ. All that out of your mouth is nothing but hot air.

Sure I have people I get information from just as you do. Any intelligent person does that. However, that does not necessarily make either of us a "follower" of any of them. Don't be so ridiculous.

See, most folks who choose not to believe in God or refuse to entertain the possibility of special creation, don't believe for strictly emotional and personal reasons, not rational or logical ones. It really goes no deeper than that. They don't like the idea therefore they won't go there. Carl Sagan is a perfect example.

You certainly follow your own religion. Without question. That is your right and I support you in it.

However, please drop the prejudicial non-sense of blanket labeling of everyone else's belief system and philosophy of life other than your own evil.

All that does is unearth the bigotry and hatred lodged in your own heart. It also destroys any honest credibility you may have with regard to any arguments and positions you put forth particularly on this subject. You really need to cut that out.

I may be wrong, but I believe you are smarter than that.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: The NT was written during the SECOND century. Please explain to me how the people who wrote the NT were also alive more than a THOUSAND YEARS prior????

There is no proof anything that the Bible claims. It is entirely a creation of MAN. I don't believe in religious babble because there is no proof of any of it, I can see very plainly what it Christianity (and all other religions) really are. They are the creation of power hungry men who needed a way to convince lower classes of society to fall in line. It is still used that way today in the Middle East by the TaliBan and AlQueda and it is still used that way today in the United States by the Republican party.
9 months ago: Like you told me in another post. "Do your own homework."

If that's all you've come up with you have A LOT more digging to do.
9 months ago: Also, it seem like you need to re-read the last part of my previous post.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: IF asking for non-religious proof of something makes me a bigot then I am 100% ok with that label/title.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: That's all I need. You claim that people who wrote the NT were also alive when Jesus walked the earth. That would put those people between 994 and 1045 years old. I am 100% positive that nobody who wrote the NT also walked earth with Jesus. I don't question Jesus' existence...he was a Jewish Teacher from Galilee. The NT was written by man. The power of Churches in this world are absurd, the reason is because they write their own rules and then use those rules to control people. I don't need to be told how to live a moral life by a group of immoral money hungry self serving people (Pastors, Priests, Preachers, Ministers etc).
9 months ago: You prove my point. Grind you axe another day.
9 months ago: "IF asking for non-religious proof of something makes me a bigot then I am 100% ok with that label/title. "

Your consistent blanket generalizations do that.

You don't even know the name or age of the oldest NT manuscripts yet you are an authority. lol
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9 months ago: PH,
Dang... back to school for you! The New Testament is a collection of writings, some were written by eyewitnesses of the entire ministry of Jesus, while others were written by close friends of those same witnesses. John, Peter, Jude, James (James the first Pastor of the Jerusalem Church - along with Jude was a half brother of Jesus)... all were first-hand eyewitnesses of the entire ministry of Jesus Christ, and penned these letters with their own hand, and that is undisputed.

Matthew, Mark, Luke wrote their gospels as those who traveled with the very Apostles that saw Jesus first-hand, and wrote those gospels while the Apostles were alive, and would have been corrected by them, or each other if they were inaccurate... or by over 500 witnesses that witnessed the risen Jesus Christ, and present to His final commission to the Church.

The Apostle Paul wrote 2/3 of the New Testament in way of letters and correction of the early Church, and the Apostle Peter verified (by his own pen) that Paul's letters were considered scripture. Paul himself saw Jesus Christ, and received first-hand instruction from the risen Christ. AND to prove his ministry, he accomplished more miracles, and took more punishment than any other Apostle.

PH, all this was recorded and verified while the main Apostles were still alive... NOT hundreds of years after... that's just ignorant of the facts. IF you would like to discuss history, somewhere along the lines you are going to read more !:]

"Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:15-16)
9 months ago: Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/...
9 months ago: Easy Huey... you might be labeled "intolerant" with that tone !:]
I say drop the gloves, and let'em have the truth !:]
9 months ago: YOU are the one anointed to deal with the obstinate and the hard heads, not me.

But I do try.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: Perhaps, however the NT as we know it today was RE-TRANSCRIBED nearly a thousand years later, from different languages, accuracy of those transcriptions is almost certainly not perfect.

The Bible is not a scholarly source. It is a fictional book. I know lots of people today who are just like Mathew, Luke and Mark...they wander the streets telling crazy stories of "miraculous" things they saw...they are called alcoholics, not apostles.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: Also, I don't need a link to a site to prove Jesus is real...I am well aware that he was a real man. A teacher, a jew, he lived in Galilee from his birth in 7 BCE and died around 30CE...
9 months ago: And???

Like Carl Sagan and you simply refuse to go there. Not for rational reasons, but for emotional ones.

You know I'm right, don't you?
9 months ago: "I don't need a link to a site to prove Jesus is real"

You've come further than you even realize. Keep seeking.
9 months ago: Truth, by the very definition of the term, Atheism can not be a religion and an atheist can not practice a religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com

re·li·gion   [ri-lij-uhn]
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

a·the·ism   [ey-thee-iz-uhm]
noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

a·the·ist   [ey-thee-ist]
noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Communist's may be atheist, but their religion is Communism, not atheism and that is stretching the religion definition.

As for your misdirection on the 9/11 murderers, ha ha. You should be glad they weren't Christian Fundamentalist.
9 months ago: "Atheism: A religion...
Atheism is a morally relativist religion. Most Atheists adhere to one ethical system or another, but in Atheism there is ultimately no foundation for morality, as atheists Dawkins and Provine admit. Many systems of ethics have been proposed; utilitarianism is probably the most popular one..."
http://creation.com/atheism-a-religion
9 months ago: PH,

When you say that the Bible... "is a fictional book" ...you really show your stupidity (ignorance on purpose), thousands of solid discoveries were only made possible by using the accurate testimonies of those provided by the Bible. The best proof of one such "miraculous" Bible story is everywhere you look in the rock strata... it proves a global flood, and not discovered by "miraculous" mythology just good science.

Archaeological Discoveries
http://christiananswers.net/archaeology/

Evidence for Noah's Flood
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...

...you boys are just afraid of where the real science leads! You have already determined that you will not look at any evidence, regardless from whom, because it points to Creation, and a personal experience of God. Both of you seem to be really fighting a tidal-wave of evidence... with mere name calling ("crazy stories") and no solid evidence to the contrary. I am glad your comments are published for readers to see your fickle defense.... while they follow links to discovery and truth. I can't help but ask though... is that the best you got ?:]
8 months ago: We carry his cross for him. You don't understand.
9 months ago: Forces of evil. I guess it is everywhere.
9 months ago: Regardless Huey and Truth of their need for historical facts and proof, it doesn't make a difference because we know the prescence of Jesus. We don't have to prove anything. You notice that when you don't retaliate with hate and anger, they provoke more to try and make you sink to their level. This is quite unusual.
9 months ago: There is such a lack of respect coming from that one.
If you don't give respect, you don't get it.
9 months ago: Sunny,

I adopted a stray cat once...
9 months ago: ...it even scratched and bit at me, but I still fed it !:]
9 months ago: That's right. I don't give up either, and I do understand.
If it kept biting me and scratching me, that would be its choice. I would not be responsible for its one way ticket to self-destruction because of its angry behavior. I wouldn't want it to disrupt my life or bring any unnecessary threat to me or anyone around me, and at a point it has to be let go to find its own way. One thing leads to another if it already has a learned behavior and that code of imorality and lack of ethics doesn't have to be catered to. When you follow Christ, you follow him and he does the rest. It isn't in our power to protect them from themselves. Have fun.
9 months ago: So the end result is that the NT was written shortly after JC's death by people who were close to him or close to someone who knew him and was not rewritten later on by the religious powers that wanted control of the masses? And there are no "books" that were removed due to being objectionable to the way they wanted to "run" THEIR church. And all text in the NT is accurately translated from the original with no changes to enforce the authority of the clergy to intercede for the Christian God in all things.

Hmmmm. Not what I learned in history class but if it makes your boat float.....

PH, history is a terrible teacher.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: History can be a great teacher, except when dealing with religion (especially Christianity), it's easy to look good when you write your own history book and then market it as truth...the Crusades were great for everyone right?
9 months ago: Thank you.

Here's the thing Six, the NT documents are corroborated by multiple fragments, dated and written within the history of the actual events. The most recent copies matching the earliest copies. The biggest differences having to do only with grammar and not ultimate meaning. I'm good with that.

I've read most of the gnostic gospels. They were written hundreds of years after the actual events and are attributed to the authorship of folks who have been proven to not have even written them. That being said, there is still some good to be found there, but they do not represent the authentic gospel.

As far as missing books, I would love to see any letters or epistles written by Appolos or Barnabas that can be proven to be authentic whether they are in our present day bibles or not. But I don't' have them. However, I won't allow their absence inhibit my faith or my spiritual growth.

Also, I don't blindly follow anything.

To insinuate that ALL CHRISTIANS are blind and unthinking is not only unfair; it is despicable and insulting; it reveals a deep seated prejudice that is as awful and disgusting as anything I have ever witnessed in my life. It's sickening and sad at the same time.

I've posted the video "Cult of Personality "enough times to warn folks about control freaks. Some just don't pay attention.

http://www.artistdirect.com/video/living...

Christians are not monolithic. We are individuals and should be addressed as such. It just seems some folks don't have the capacity to understand that. The very idea flies in the face of their prejudice and it contradicts their myopic understanding of reality. Therefore they refuse to go there.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: I have never in my life met a Christian who was also capable of free thought. The two things cannot co-exist. Christians are brainwashed by the powerful people of the religion. They simply regurgitate to the world what their Pastor/Minister/Priest/Preacher told them to think. For those who don't attend Church they simply regurgitate the fictional stories from the Bible. There is no free thought, only carefully controlled dogmatic thought.
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9 months ago: 1 second ago: PH - Your bigotry runs too deep.

I don't have time to waste on this anymore. You have no interest in understanding or even remotely considering anything outside your preconceived notions.

If that's not brainwashing, I don't know what is. Yours is a classic example in fact.

All you choose to do is spew out venom at every religion (especially Christianity) other than your own and spend no time whatsoever even considering or respecting other's viewpoints with regard to life philosophy, meaning and purpose.

If you did, we would be having a real dialogue. Instead all we have is your inane and mindless, and hate filled babblings filling up TB's post with zero attempts to find common ground.

You are one of the most prejudiced persons I have ever encountered. I just hope and pray for your sake that one day the blinders will come off.

It will open a whole new world to you when you stop marginalizing folks you disagree with and obviously don't understand and when you cease and desist in making some of the most profoundly bigoted, thoughtless, obtuse and mindless blanket generalizations I have ever heard in my entire life. Your bull-crap is even worse than some of Altruist's best.

Hitler and Stalin have got nothing on you.

He's all yours TB. My time is too important to spend arguing with a fence post.

PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: Grow up. You act like a child any time anyone questions your precious religion. You lash out at anyone who dare request that the Constitution of the United States be upheld. I don't care if you want to believe in Jesus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster...that is your right. I have always said I don't care what you believe in...BUT YOU HAVE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT TO ATTEMPT TO CREATE LAWS BASED ON YOUR RELIGION>>>NONE>>>ZERO>>>ZILCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep your views to yourself. Christians are the worst of all religious people...they have this poor pity me attitude about everything. Gay people getting married HAS NO IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE, yet Christians take every opportunity they can find to spew their oppressive dogmatic backwards beliefs on everyone. I don't have a religion. My views are based on basic logic and Constitutional Law.
9 months ago: The difference between us is so clear. I rather be at peace with myself than to question every little aspect of life. What will be, will be.
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9 months ago: PH - You are the one who needs to grow up and then maybe you can present a case like a man instead of like a whiney, spoiled child.

If you actually cared enough to take the time and think rather than respond, we could get somewhere.

I consider what you have to say, yet you have completely ignored everything I posted here. Either that of its just too far over your head and/or too out of touch with your own dogma for you to even consider.

Maybe one day you will grow out of the deep seated bigotry, bitterness, hatred and ignorance you wish to spew out on those who are different than you. I hope so. It will make you a better person and easier to communicate with.

BTW - You do have a religion. I have read enough of your inane babblings to write out your statement of faith.

You are in denial. Plain and simple.

Hey, I even have a worship song for you -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toHlMD50e...

Fence Post City gets to be pretty boring after a while.
9 months ago: PH,

All you "non-religious" types are going to beg to have Christians back in the Presidency defending your God given rights... after Obama and other fascists are done with you !:] God is about to give ya'll what you want... and what you deserve.
9 months ago: PHSIX,

You guys are a riot... and are constantly having to be spoonfed from a book you neither want to read, or incapable of reading. Some of the most 'damning' testimony against religious powers is still in the New Testament, the religious hypocrites are the ones hit the worst! You guys should be like Dawkins... and had out a few copies to rid the world of religious hypocrites !:]

The history of / and in the Bible rebuffs Christians more than any other history book... you guys are just afraid that the truth is going to get to you, and you will end up a whack-job spouting scripture !:] There are greater minds than you/me that have really done research into the validity of the Bible (as Atheists like Lee Strobel), and have unearthed more undisputed proof, that RELIGIOUS NONBELIEVERS plug their ears to; and hold their hands over their eyes against... but keep their mouths open all the while yelling... NANANANANANANA I CAN'T HEAR YOU !:]
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
9 months ago: I'm curious, why is it you think the NT exists? Why not just go with the original Bible? Why the change from the terrifying all-mighty hatefilled God?

Also, as a side note, Truth, if you want to make a point you really need to use scholarly NON RELIGIOUS sources if you want to get anywhere. Presenting the Bible or the brainwashed babbling of far right wing christian whackjobs isn't going to prove anything.
9 months ago: PH,

You are so funny... "original Bible" ...The Old Testament if from the Masoretic text, and the New Testament is almost entirely made from quotes from it... and how it was fulfilled in Jesus Christ by eyewitnesses. You know until recently the "Bible" wasn't really considered "religious" yet proved to be an accurate historical document; for finding places, tribes, and landmarks... like the pillars marking the Red Sea crossing into Saudi Arabia...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90NM9tgD...

"...Mount Sinai in Arabia..." (Galatians 4:25)

Really what you seem to be saying is... we should discount every historical reference if the person was religious who wrote it...

Homer
ca. 8th century BC

Sophocles
ca. 496 – 406 BC

Herodotus
ca. 484 – 425 BC

Euripides
ca. 480 – 406 BC

Hippocrates
ca. 460 – 370 BC

Aristophanes
ca. 446 – ca. 386 BC

Plato
ca. 424 – 348 BC

Aristotle
384 – 322 BC

Euclid
fl. 300 BC

Archimedes
ca. 287 – 212 BC

...don't you know how ridiculous your Chrisophobia sounds? Anything but Christian writers are acceptable... Mmmm... almost all modern archaeology would be in the "stone-age" without works like the Bible. Time to open your mind.
9 months ago: Philo of Alexandria,
who lived between 30 B.C. and 40 A.D.

Flavius Josephus
wrote his first work sometime between 70 and 75 A.D.

Pliny the Elder
who died in 79 A.D.

Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea,
writing around A.D.300

...Oh no... sorry... a religious writer.... Oooooo.
Time to grow up and get educated. IF modern archaeologists took your approach we wouldn't even have a Smithsonian !:]
9 months ago: PH,

...and you say your belief is "based on basic logic" ...Dang bro...
9 months ago: You guys are really battling this one out.
9 months ago: The Bible defends itself..
It doesn't have to be an accounting of history just words of truth.
9 months ago: Huey and Truth, Everything that you say that is logical and makes sense,some will twist it and mock it. They are very skilled at it.
Not worth giving any of your time to emotional instabilities.
9 months ago: Sunny,

It would seem the only defense against solid evidence that supports the Bible is... psychology... because there is not a shred of real evidence to the contrary. All psychology can offer is some "great" questions... but they are still no match for solid Biblical answers !:]
9 months ago: TB - This is definitely your calling and specifically your anointing. I admire that in you and respect that on you.

PH does not want to go to specifics and he does not really want to discuss anything and come to any agreeable understanding regarding spiritual things.

He won't acknowledge or challenge your direct evidence or attempt to refute them logically and rationally and is unable to refer to specific links to back up his points on this subject.

He simply dismisses ANYTHING that we say as having any merit whatsoever and goes off into La La land and expects us to stay there with him.

He can't chapter and verse anything in the Bible meaningfully and yet he expects us not only to respect and acknowledge his comments in regard to that but expects us to ignore or excuse his condescending tone or else we are immature, need to grow up, and are brainwashed.

And on top of even that, he expects us to continue to use our time trying to sincerely communicate and reach him.

How is that for selfishness and unmitigated gall?

Best wishes.
9 months ago: Huey,

In a way it is good to have PH around, he proves that there is no real evidence to the contrary of established truth and logic... furthermore this rant was about Gay terrorists bullying and bashing anyone who disagrees with them... Mmmm... don't mean to profile, but if PH is modeling shoes that fit... I may have to rename my post to Atheists and Gays bully and bash...
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: For the thousandth time. I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE. The common ground/meeting in the middle that I have consistantly proposed is the one in which the Constitution of the United States is upheld. You have a Constitutional right to believe/follow/practice whatever religion you chose in your private life. I have the Constitutional right to be free from your religion. Believe whatever you want, but no laws are to be passed based on any religious belief. This is REALLY simple. I don't care what you do at home or in your church, but when people decide that I have to live my life under laws that are established based on a religious belief...that is UN CONSTITUTIONAL...PERIOD.

I don't care if Christians/Muslims/Jews/Scientologists etc are "offended" by the idea of Gay Marriage or Abortion or whatever other issue the Church powers are interested in on a particular day. Being "offended" doesn't mean anything. Find a LEGAL reason why Gay Marriage should be illegal (one doesn't exist), then you could make a point.

BETTER YET: Get the government out of marriage. Let the individual churches decide whether or not gay couples can get married. Of course, the far right only preach about "Small Government" when it is convenient...but when it comes to what people do in their own PRIVATE lives, the government can be as big as possible to govern "moral" issues. Currently, marriage is a government contract, that is taxed, beyond the separation of Church and State, discriminatory taxes are also unconstitutional.

I have asked over and over again for a LEGAL reason why gay marriage should be illegal. I have repeatedly stated that I don't care what you want to believe and practice at home or at your church. The middle ground I proposed is, I believe, very reasonable (following the Constitution), unfortunately, the Religious Right (you, TB, Sunny, many other people) don't want that middle ground because it doesn't allow you to force your oppressive, dogmatic views on the rest of the country.
8 months ago: You say logical things which I agree, but nobody is forcing religion on you.
Truth speaks of the Bible because he loves it. Many gays do bash and bully and I'm sure you know it, and Christians bash to. That is life and there is no quick fix. The good people make up for the not so good.
Huey and Truth are Christians and so am I.
People are people in my book. If you are a good person that's all you have to be. I don't measure anyone by their faith or religion either. If I don't criticize someones's beliefs, why should they do it to me.
Gay marraiges - It is going to take a while before that is straightened out.
I'm not God, or sit in judgment, and I can't say what another person should choose for themselves. It has nothing to do with me. I know many people and they are together, and I see them as people, nothing else. Is this the problem? You get mad over the idea that we don't support gay marraiges? The Constitution should uphold every individual's rights, which I support. So whatever it says to do to support any person's rights, including my own, I support.
What is the problem here PH? I don't see it.
9 months ago: Truth, Here's to your Global Flood.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noah...
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p82.h...

And in case you can't figure out why St. Peters Sandstone was not deposited in a year as per your mythical global flood:
http://www.dnr.mo.gov/geology/geosrv/ima...

And don't worry, I even read through some of the very convoluted words put on paper trying to prove how sandstone was formed in one year and how all the fossils were formed by magic and made to look old and a few other pipe dreams of the creationist idea of how the Earth was formed. Without referring to the Bible none of them could have thought up their theories. At least with REAL scientific hypothesizing they start with something and try to prove it wasn't magic, as far as the global flood, they've pretty well covered it.

And just for fun:
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/rapid-fossils...
http://paleo.cc/paluxy/boot.htm

AND, I can cite more sites that counter all your scripture quoting that is supposed to prove that a global flood happened and an ark saved all the critters. (Just so you know, the Ark of the Bible could not hold all the critters it is claimed to hold, not that a boat that size would have stayed afloat to begin with.....)

To bad this original post was about gays and straights bashing it out and pointing fingers.
9 months ago: ...we have time to chase a few rabbits... right onto Noah's Ark !:] Well, here's a kids page that may help you with the basics... try to keep up !:]

"A Fit Argument? August 24, 2012...
The Bible has been dragged into discussions about recent studies to determine the number of species on earth. Skeptics like to say the Ark was not large enough to accommodate so many animals.

About 1.2 million species have already been catalogued, and a new estimate puts the total number of living species at 8.7 million.1 How could Noah handle all these creatures? The simple answer is that the Bible says he took on board representatives from the various animal "kinds." Within each kind, God placed enormous genetic potential, with all the diversity necessary to repopulate the earth.

If the biblical "kinds" is roughly equivalent to the family classification, the Ark required as few as 2,000 individual animals. Noah did not have to take on board many types of animals, such as sea creatures, because God ordered Noah to bring only air-breathing land animals. That appears to exclude amphibians, and even insects."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...
9 months ago: How's this for a boat that won't float:

http://www.skepdic.com/noahsark.html
9 months ago: Six,

This boat did float with all the animals it carried, your buddy has a problem with math and basic logic. Some animals didn't need an ark to survive...
here is a 3D tour...

How Did Noah Fit/FeedAll the Animals on the Ark?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...

...any more "wise" cracks ?:]
9 months ago: That is the expected response.

You need to find out how salt water critters do in fresh water and fresh water critters do in salt water. Last I checked they usually died. So they need a place on the boat. Same with all those other aquatic critters that live on land and in the water, they don't spend 100% of their time in the water. And then there is the ones that don't travel well across land to get to the boat, nor can they swim the whole way. AND then there is the simple math to determine how much room it takes to support one pair of large animals, ones that eat several hundred pounds of vegetation every day EACH and then the ones that eat meat and only meat, no place to store it for a year in a boat with no refrigeration and dried meat won't do the job, has to be fresh. You are talking dozens and dozens of these types of animals in a boat just big enough for a few dozen with supplies and then there are the humans and their food supplies.

I've seen the estimates of how many box cars would fit in an Ark, and also how many boxcars it takes to support one elephant, your a few hundred boxcars short on space, probably a few thousand since we didn't cover the many, many gallons of fresh water required every day, and not that brackish stuff from under the boat either.

The total amount of critters needing a ride is far above the one your Christian sources will tell you because they don't want to admit that the boat wasn't big enough. Nor do they want to tell you that the boat would have broken apart in slight seas due to being made of wood and being sooooooo big, there is a limit to size when using wood, unless it is solid and then you have no place to put the critters.

Get off the religious sites and find real facts that are designed to support the religious viewpoint, try to find one that is not religious and still supports the story WITHOUT attributing it to a miracle or God and yes some non-religious sites do use that as the excuse.
9 months ago: Actually the number is not dozens, it's millions of different types. Remember, Christians do not believe in Evolution so it can't be one pair of a type and all the other sub types descended from that one pair. Can't be one pair of African Lions and you get Panthers, Tigers, Ocelots, and all the other sub types from them. Or one pair of Trout and now you have all the different ones. No Evolution!!!! Not allowed on your boat or off it.

Birds, worms, reptiles, cats, wolves, bears, cows, pigs, sheep, goats, horses, camels, giraffes, hippopotamus, water buffalo, crocodiles, monitor lizards, gar, chimpanzees, koala, panda bears, nematoads, frogs, snakes, grub worms, moths, flies, and a few million more.
9 months ago: Six,

You asked... 'how salt water critters do in fresh water and fresh water critters do in salt water" ...come on! Let me hold your hand on this one... the water in the oceans is getting saltier, that means thousands of years ago it was less salty... are you getting the picture yet? Saltier now... less salty then... I think you got it !:]
9 months ago: ...as for the rest, you can read on your own...

"How Were the Animals Cared For?"
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...
9 months ago: And what great tale would be complete without it's true origins:
http://www.livius.org/fa-fn/flood/flood3...
9 months ago: SIX,

Your Babylonian flood could have been localized, but it wasn't at the time of the Biblical flood, not even close !:]
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...
9 months ago: It's the story that counts. Stolen from another people's history.
9 months ago: Why are you quoting a religious relic, to prove another religion is bogus...
your whacked double talk is surfacing !:]
9 months ago: ...is it that you are a closet Babylonian, and believe in the Babylonian religion and it's "fairy-tales" or you can't find anything scientific to disprove evidence like polystrate fossil trees that prove the global Noah's Flood?
http://www.icr.org/article/445/

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark !:]
9 months ago: ...for the novice... that is one polystrate (multi rock strata) fossil tree, running through supposed "millions" of years of rock strata at the same time... Dang! And the trees only had hundreds of years of age rings...
like I said, that's gonna leave a mark !:]

Here is more scientific evidence to keep you busy...
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answ...
9 months ago: Truth, why is your reference any more valid than mine? Awful one sided on whose references are more valid than whose.

And I don't aim to prove your religion is bogus, just that some of the things it is based upon are mans imagination run wild.

I'll try not to quote any self-proving prophecies if you will!
9 months ago: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate.html
The word polystrate is defined in the Creationist literature. Not a geological term.

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creat...

http://ncse.com/book/export/html/2842


Read this one about your precious polystrate fossils!!!!
http://www.teachthemscience.org/falsewea...

Ain't that the cat's meow! A CREATIONIST admitted the truth about how they are formed!!!!!!

In fact Truth, you might want to read that entire site!
8 months ago: Really? You really think I wouldn't know what I was looking for?

Awful prideful of you to gloat like that...... Oh dear, better say a few Hail Mary's or some other evil spirit ward off litany.

I actually thought you knew how geology worked, then you are a "Young Earth" believer and the entire fossil record is only what 6 or 8 thousand years old........

Yeah, right. I got some ocean front property in Arizona for ya. Or would you prefer to ride the volcano under Yellowstone? I hear it is a few years overdue for its next show time.
8 months ago: SIX,

Young Earth... Sorry the facts confuse you, and I should have known better... you like your fairy tales to start out like "Long long ago..."!:]

I have a wedding to go to today, we'll be back...
8 months ago: Your "scientists" can't have it both ways... they claim that gradual deposition of sediment in most rock strata is the norm, BUT... "Science is perfectly happy with the idea that deposition is occasionally rapid" ...that's NOT Science! It is breaking of the laws of sediment deposition... in essence this is what "they" are saying... ALL rock strata was laid down my gradual deposition of sediment and organic material... that is, UNTIL you come across a polystrate fossil (like a tree crossing multi layers of rock strata)... HOW CONVENIENT!

SIX you can hide your own Easter Eggs with these clowns, but I won't have a thing to do with them... you all claim Christians are HYPOCRITICAL when they aren't consistent with their own rules... these guys are at least that! Bottom line is their smoke and mirrors may fool sheeple led by their proverbial noses... but I have a brain, and I intend to use it, and follow the facts wherever it leads... Young Earth, Old Earth... heck Middle Earth (with you)... if the facts are established !:]

Bottom line is Evolutionists have laid out in school textbooks for years the process of deposition... and when they are hung with the same rope they did their students with... they (like the snakes they are) slither away using "exception" and "mutation" as their heroes... News Flash... there are no anomalies, exceptions and mutations beneficial to the balance that we are held in today.

Bottom line is when you have polystrate fossils buried in many layers (not just one or two) of rock strata... the observable science proves that rapid deposition is the norm, not the "exception"... did you get that? The observable SCIENCE proves that rapid deposition is the norm, not the "exception"! This is some of the evidence for a global flood... and if you weren't so religious, you would personally check out some of the evidence, and it's explanation before you wrote it off.
http://www.google.ca/search?num=10&hl=en...
8 months ago: Six,

BTW your "cat's meow" isn't a creationist point of view, in their "About Us" page I found some of their mission statement...

"The Center for Inquiry is a transnational nonpartisan, nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization that encourages evidence-based inquiry into science, pseudoscience, medicine and health, religion, ethics, secularism, and society."

...SERIOUSLY? Ridiculous! You just quoted these clowns for the same reason you gave it up for the pseudo Babylonian artifact (in the ancient fairy tale section); not because you believe it, but rather because it bastardizes the truth, and clouds good scientific finds with a blur of misdirection... is that all you have to offer?
8 months ago: Truth, I am disappointed that a person who supposedly strives for "truth" would condemn a group of researchers who are not burdened with the requirement that their output not conflict with religious dogma or any other criteria other than evidence.

Evidence-based is much better than the "I said it was this way and you had better not refute me or I will have you tried for heresy" based documents that you use.

Ancient fairy tale, hmmm, what book were you quoting? An ancient fairy tale about a an all powerful God who had a Son and blah, blah, blah, you say? Do not claim superiority just because you are using the Bible, it has no more historical significance than any other document. When it comes to unbiased historical information, it does not stand very tall due to manipulation by clergy.
8 months ago: Six,

When a site tries to mesh science with pseudoscience... all in an attempt to blur the reason for education in the first place... I want nothing to do with it. IT is not about standing in a circle singing kumbaya... it is about establishing truth and real observable science... like say, a tree that is found in between two differing coal seams. And as the textbooks claim, takes millions of years to bed differing coal seams... but the polystrata tree destroys that theory... and it is observable today!

Polystrate Fossil Tree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed8SzwTtq...
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9 months ago: Truth you are up against the dam devil here.
8 months ago: Sunny, I am no more the Devil than you are Mary, mother of Jesus and Truth is John the Baptist. I am simply a man who does not fall easily for false hopes compounded by mans greed.

You are following a religion built upon mans desire to be rewarded for doing right. Mans desire to be repaid for taking the hard path. Mans desire to be praised for his selfless devotion to his fellow man while forsaking his own needs and wants. Mans desire for wealth and riches beyond compare, for life with no worries, no needs, no burdens placed upon them by others. Mans need to be told what to do, how to do it and why he must do it because to be told means there is no need to think for himself and take the responsibility for his actions because someone else told him what he was doing was the right thing. Sounds a lot like Islam doesn't it?

I just try to show you there is another choice that does not burden you with mans greed and need for domination over others.

Or maybe you (and Truth and the others) like to be under someone else's thumb, in that case you will continue to cite one single Book as "proof", self fulfilling proof.

I exist, therefore I am.
8 months ago: SIx,

I appreciate your sentiments but keep in mind that the bible is not just one book.

It's actually 66 books written over a period of about 1,500 years by over 40 authors. Because the Bible was written over a period of fifteen hundred years most of the writers did not personally know the other writers. These authors are from all walks of life, with many different kinds of personalities, and in all sorts of situations.

The books are in three languages from three continents, and they cover hundreds of subjects. The neat thing is that they all fit together into one cohesive narrative with an appropriate beginning, a logical ending, a central character, and a consistent theme.

What should result in chaos comes together very harmoniously.

What we actually end up with is a library of information that is very worthy of anyone's serious consideration. No one should just write it off.

I know you haven't. You look for the good.

Unfortunately many folks have written it off and then get a sick twisted joy in attempting to denigrate other people's faith while insisting that eveyone else tolerate theirs. That's simply ridiculous.
8 months ago: Six, wasn't directing it to you or anyone in particular.
What happen to your wonderment, Six. Where did it disappear to.
8 months ago: Six, I don't believe I've ever been the kind to want anything back for doing good for anyone. If I go to heaven one day, I will be happy and that's enough.
I wouldn't be happy if I didn't work for everything I have. I wouldn't be happy if every single day I didn't learn something. I wouldn't be happy if I didn't love my family and my neighbors.
We have freedom of choice and that's it. I tend to follow the beauty of the Bible and what it represents.
Life wouldn't be worth living if I didn't have some burden or another to carry and resolve. It makes me stronger in my faith. And whose thumb are you under? I don't know where you get these ideas from. You have to defend yourself. I don't have to defend myself.
8 months ago: Six, there is so much you are not aware of, and it is so obvious.
8 months ago: I only write off the part that it is written by God. As a historical text it has some good information. When people start saying it is unquestionable and contains no false information and that no other reference is needed to prove that such and such occurred, I must defer to other sources.

Then I end up with someone like Truth who will deny all other sources as being a conspiracy of the Devil to fool humans into believing anything but the Bible. It wouldn't matter how many sources I found, he will claim that they are lies and falsehoods.

Yes I realize it is a book comprised of many other books, subdivided into chapters and verses, but as a reference it is one book compiled over 1500 years and then edited by the ruling clergy at the time into one book that was/is used to subjugate the masses even more. Since it has ceased to be updated, it's use as a geological tool to explain the geological record is limited.
8 months ago: Sunny, please tell me of what I am not aware. You are such a world traveler who has experienced so many different cultures and religions around the world and been subject to the laws of so many different governments that I am sure you are a much more learned person than I.

Give me a break, you are a housewife from New York.
8 months ago: Sunny, my wonderment? Afraid to tell you but when you closed your mind to all other religions except Catholicism, you lost your need for wonderment. I've already been down the Christian religion road, no wonder there for me except why others still see a need to go there.
8 months ago: See, this is where I think there is a problem. People tell you one thing and you change it to suit yourself and say the opposite.
First of all, I haven't been all over the world, and I don't know everything there is to know. I still find life to be a wonderful adventure. I said knowledge is something that is never ending and neither is love for one another. I recognize all religions and discriminate against none. You put words down on paper that you want to believe to satisfy yourself because you don't understand others. You don't have a faith, but you criticize others for having it almost to a point of punishment. I am not a wonderment, and I don't want to be. I am an American hard working individual. You would like me to be a NY housewife. Are there any?
We go where Christianity is because we don't want to be like you. You make a lot of sense in other things you say, but you are far off course on this.
What works for you is good for you, but it doesn't work for us.
Also, I do know a lot about life, but that is my nature. My talent. What is yours? You show no personality at all. You can't speak deeply about anything. Why, because you don't have awareness. You are totally oblivious to everything around you that doesn't think like you. It isn't your fault that you don't understand.
8 months ago: Six, you acuse others of the same thing you don't do. You don't read, nor do you comprehend what is being said. No one is being mean to you, but you can certainly dish out that hardboiled southern way that I am familiar with that is full of bigotry.
8 months ago: IMO, Sunny, I do read what you (and all others) write. I try very hard to comprehend what you say and why you said it. I even go back to old posts and refresh what was said to try and comprehend why it was said. I quote what someone says when I feel it is pertinent to qualify my response and the tone of my response.

IMO, I do not respond to others posts with comments like "I don't have time to read word for word so if I miss the point you will have to excuse me" and then lambaste them for what they said as if they were personally attacking Sunny1 instead of what Sunny1 was talking about, which is what Sunny1 has been doing.

IMO, I am afraid that your definition of "comprehend" is that who ever you are speaking to must agree that your position is the correct one and that they have seen the light and will forever support whatever position Sunny1 has written as law. Sorry, that is not the definition of comprehend. To comprehend something is to understand it and to recognize what it means to others as well as yourself. At no time does it mean you have to personally believe what the other person said is the truth or is factual, you must be able to relate to it and understand how the other person relates to it.

IMO, Yes, my southern roots do shine don't they! Tact was not on the list of needed skills when I was growing up. Brutal honesty, unbiased compassion, willingness to help anyone, fear of the unknown only as much as required to preserve life and limb, and respect for all, until they proved they were not worthy of it.

IMO, Yes I am a bigot, or write with bigotry. So do you, so does Truth and Huey, and OTB and all the other writers who stand up for their beliefs against another whose beliefs are different. "Wiki: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices". Try to tell me you don't fall within that part of the definition.

IMO, We are all bigots concerning one thing or another, no way to avoid it if you are passionate about something.
8 months ago: IMO, Sunny, you basically said that I was not aware of anything but my own little tiny piece of where I am, as if you were a world traveler with experience with all type of cultures and religions and governments and I was just a stick in the mud. You have accused me of many things that a person who knows nothing of the world might be guilty of, all without knowing much about me other than I do not tolerate religious adherents spouting religious beliefs as facts, which is true, that being the one thing you know about me. From your previous writings I determined that you were married and had a house and all that goes with it and that qualifies you as a housewife. You haven't mentioned a job that takes you to other countries for extended periods of time, nor have you mentioned that you have studied abroad for an extended period. And then you say that I was not aware of anything around me. Strange how not being aware has gotten me into a long discussion of something contrary to my beliefs, something that should not have even tickled my interest because it is doesn't "think like me". As for my other awarness, I have traveled around the world and not in 80 days, took much much longer. Many stops and stays and exposed to many cultures and subjected to understanding the difference in laws that were not my home countries. Do you know why Middle Easterners don't eat with their left hands? How about why they don't cross their legs ankle on knee? What is a Korean to a Japanese? Who are the Nipponese? How many hands do you lose in Saudis Arabia for thievery? First offense. Is Christianity allowed in India? In what language do they teach school in Bhutan? Yeah, sure Wiki it, at least then you will have a clue. What side of the street did they drive on in Okinawa in 1970? But that is just easy trivia.

IMO, Sorry I don't have a personality, I find it tends to cloud the issues with strong feelings for or against some subjects. Yeah, and dogs don't smile either.

You are right, I don't understand why you and others can not admit that there is a logical reason for believing as I do instead of placing all my beliefs on "faith". As for my understanding of all other issues, more and deeper than you will ever fathom.
8 months ago: That's good. Whatever you believe in is fine, and I respect it.
Don't knock mine. You have no valid reasons and can't give explanations as to why except you don't believe, but you should respect other's beliefs. It's respect, Six. That's all anybody wants.
8 months ago: Sixer,

Don't be so hard on yourself. You do not strike me as a BIGOT. I've met plenty and they do not exhibit your depth of character.

Sure, we all have prejudices to one degree or another (blind spots and preconceived ideas and notions brought to bear in ignorance), but WE ARE NOT ALL BIGOTS. To say that is to absolve everyone of responsibility as if they have no choice in the matter, when in fact they do.

I refuse to wear that badge and based on what I've seen you share here over the last couple of years, neither should you.
8 months ago: Truth, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_..., which is a link from YOUR reference. You really should read it. Explains a lot about why creationist theory is not a problem with geologist, and has nothing to do with Biblical reasons either.

Polystrate fossils are just more fossils. Not "proof" of the flood. More likely proof that sediment varies as a direct result of rain, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and floods all mixed together over MILLIONS of years to form layers that are mixed in some places and not mixed in others.
8 months ago: Six,

When a site tries to mesh science with pseudoscience... all in an attempt to blur the reason for education in the first place... I want nothing to do with it. IT is not about standing in a circle singing kumbaya... it is about establishing truth and real observable science... like say, a tree that is found in between two differing coal seams. And as the textbooks claim, takes millions of years to bed differing coal seams... but the polystrata tree destroys that theory... and it is observable today!

Polystrate Fossil Tree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed8SzwTtq...
8 months ago: Six tell that to any women up here and you will be in big trouble. You better stay down there where you are comfortable and can push women around and keep them down to wait on you. Doesn't happen up here. Have a good day.
You are always wrong and can't admit it.
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8 months ago: Six, after the rediculous post you made, I have considered that you are no fun and have a complete inability to relate to people or meet them 1/2 way.
I guess you can't except women making a lot of money, educated and skilled, and running a home. Too bad. You better stay where you are because you couldn't make it up here. Your better off being a little house mouse ruling over your little domain.
I don't think you ever contributed one thing to life, except a very bad attitude.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: You are the biggest crybaby coward on this site. Grow a backbone. Every time someone proves you wrong you go into this totally absurd "I'm bored somebody else that can actually think and form complete thoughts take over" mode. Just stop posting, it is clear that you cannot handle being confronted when it comes to your arguments.
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8 months ago: Oh I'm sorry I forgot about you. Did you just wake up and now you want to take over control?
So, you are bashing me and bullying me and telling me to get off a public site that you don't own? Why because I am female and strong and Christian. I love Jesus, so you don't get to me. I'm telling you nothing you say matters.
It's clear you can't handle me.
I don't want to talk to you. I like Six better. He has a lot of good things to say on other subjects, too. Only thing we disagree is when he knocks Christianity. I give it back to him. Do you understand or are you a crybaby. I don't talk to you or recognize you because you are so hateful towards women. You are disrespectful, so how can you be deserving of respect.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: Once again, I don't dislike you because you are a woman...I dislike you because you are stupid...and worse yet you are stupid on purpose. You still don't read what people write before you respond. You are not a strong Christian. A strong Christian woman would NEVER tell the "guys" to take over making an argument. You are just a chicken who doesn't actually know how to express what you believe.

I don't care if you are a Christian, you have the Constitutional right to believe and practice whatever religion you want in your private home and Church. The big key difference here is that I have the Constitutional right to be free from your religion.
8 months ago: PH so does every murderer. drug addicted criminal, thief, and child abuser have their rights protected. Your answer doesn't say much.
8 months ago: Blah, blah, blah.
8 months ago: Guys you take over, I'm bored with this one. He has a stifling personality. I get claustrophobic. Again, why waste your breath. He's done in and full of too much hate and bigotry that he admits to. He tries to pass it off on others as being like him because he can't face himself. No we are not like you, but you can't see the forest for the trees. Good luck.
8 months ago: On one note. Studying abroad doesn't mean anything if you don't know what is going on in your own backyard. Their educational system can't measure up to ours. It isn't the same in quality.
Also, it is idiotic to judge housewives by a couple of tv shows. By the way, those women are making tons of money and furthering their careers. God bless them. What do you do?
Another thing, women own and control private corporations, businesses of all sorts. They are money making machines with controlling interest in big business. I hope you don't call Opra a housewife because she owns a house, and you think she is married to it, forgetting her wealth and power. Where is your power. Bashing religions makes you interesting.
8 months ago: Well, I just passed my Final Exam 100% re: Medical.
I guess a housewifey does a lot of different things.
She can bring home the bacon and fry it up in the pan.
Don't you think. And all the while today reading this nonsense and being bashed and told how insignificant I am and to leave the site. I must be pretty smart to not let it get to me.
8 months ago: Congratulations Sunny !:]
8 months ago: Thanks, Truth. It was rough.
I have another 1/2 of this course left to go.
sunny
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: ...what course is it?

How can you have 1/2 the course left if you just got 100% on the Final?
8 months ago: Hum Bug to you too.
8 months ago: Ph you are putty in my hands.
I see on your profile you are pretty young and have a long way to go. So the problem here is that if I say I'm okay with Gay marraiges you will stop calling people names and will listen like a civil person and debate issues and respect others, too. Okay, Gay marraiges are fine with me. I'm not going to be responsible for someone having a heart attack over this silly talk. I hope they work out. I know this won't be the end because you will start on Christians and religion.
I will not read anything that starts bashing Christians or talks about things that are sacred to me and ridicule it and desecrate it. Do you get it? I don't want it to touch me at all, so I will not read it because it is disgust me, and I'm not suppose to because it is plain evil. Don't write to me if you are going to call me names. Look at yourself first. You are so angry and display it openly. Again, if you push me, I'll push back. You can't get the best of me. Gay people are fine with me in every aspect if that puts a bandaid on this. Leave my faith alone. I said it before. I don't judge anyone.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: ......sigh

Ok, lets try this again. The Constitution doesn't say anything about marriage. There are people on the Far Right that are attempting to pass a Constitutional Amendment that would make Gay Marriage illegal. This resents several problems as such an Amendment would violate several existing Constitutional clauses AND years of Supreme Court precedence.

The Constitution protects the rights of EVERYONE...even those accused of Murder, Rape etc. People who commit crimes are given Constitutional protection by being granted a Trial and being thought Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Christians bash and bully all non-Christians on a regular basis...the marriage equality issue is just one of them. Far right wing Christians are attempting to tell all other people in the United States how they are supposed to live. Attempting to get Laws passed based on Religious preference is unconstitutional.
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8 months ago: Sigh okay lets try again. Who wants to talk to someone like that.
I understand your point of view. but that is life. Live with it like we all do.
Change the world if you can.
We don't complain, we do something about it. You will not make any points on this site by rediculing people, calling people names like a child, or bashing their faith. It doesn't work. No one will be sympathetic.
Yes, it is unconstitutional to try to change laws based on religious preferences. I don't want any part of it. So, now what do you want to say.
I was pointing out simply that you forgot the others murderers and criminals. Everyone's rights are protected. Nobody screams about them. That's your problem not mine. I have too much to do then to think about them or you.
Gay people I have seen pretty bad behavior as well as Christians. I have seen Gay people paranoid and moody and wanting to pick a fight. You will not sway me any more. I told you what I think. That's not enough. Go tell someone who cares or wants to simply fight here. That's all you want. You don't take action where you should.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: I don't want change anything, I want the Constitution, AS IT EXISTS TODAY, to be upheld...

So are you saying that you are a supporter of Marriage Equality? (if you don't know what that means look it up)

I didn't forget about the Murderers and other criminals. They are protected under the Constitution until they are proven guilty in a court of law.

First of all, you have never said what you think; at least not in a coherent manner. People tend to get angry when other people attempt to treat them as lower class citizens (in this case it would be the way that the Elitist Far Right Christians are attempting to make gay people into second class citizens)
8 months ago: PH,

I (too) don't want change anything, I want (your) Constitution, AS IT EXISTS TODAY, to be upheld... As Marriage is defined... by historical precedent... not bastardized into something that it never was, nor meant to be. Some ignorant "post-modern" Judge shouldn't have the ability to destroy historical precedent in a stroke of a pen!
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: Could you please show me the part of the Constitution of the United States that discusses marriage? While you are at it why don't you find the word Jesus, Christian, Christianity or God...

From a Government perspective, Marriage is a LEGAL CONTRACT. Further it is a TAXED contract. Any attempt to bar a group of people from entering into said contract is unconstitutional.

Marriage as a religious/social/spiritual connection is not related to Governmental marriage. I say let the churches decide...of course you would never support that despite your far right wing ideals of small government...because if you were to truly support small government then you would want government out of marriage, BUT if that happened then gay couples would be allowed to get married...hence you and all the other far right wing christian's want nothing more than a Big Brother amendment to prevent it...you and all the people like you are hypocrites.
8 months ago: PH,

I think you are on to something, you said... "please show me the part of the Constitution of the United States that discusses marriage?" ...there isn't... and neither should government be in any place to redefine Marriage. Marriage is a social/religious term that has historically established it's own definition... and government steps over the line when it rules that it is "unconstitutional" (when like you say it isn't addressed in the constitution) when gays aren't allowed to marry. There are ways laws can be made and enforced to protect gay rights, without redefining marriage. It is not "hypocritical" to want to protect the historical definition and precedent of marriage... it would however be hypocritical to allow it.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: Well, while I'm still not sure where you get the idea that Christian Marriage = All Marriage.

That said, I highly doubt you would want the federal government out of marriage, because if they were there are many Christian churches that would gladly perform gay marriages.

I think the ideal solution would be to let the churches/individual jurisdictions decide. If a Church says "no way will we marry a gay couple" then that is just fine, but if a different church says "yes, we will marry a gay couple"...that would also have to be just fine.
8 months ago: Ph you talk a lot but you have to go and support your beliefs. You can't do that here. Gay people are not second class people. You shouldn't even say that.
Again you reference my faith, I will not speak about my religion on this site. It is personal to me and pure, and I don't want anyone to corrupt it. I will answer you the best way I can without going into my beliefs. You are not the person to talk to because you yell STUPID at everything that is said. I don't question anything in life, I accept it. If I did open up about it, you would stump on it. I can't do that. People do everything mean to everyone if they can, not only you.
8 months ago: PH,

You know it doesn't work like that... if Christian Clergy refused to marry homosexuals after "legal" precedent was established... then they could and would get sued for non compliance.
8 months ago: Somebody take over, I have to study. I don't have time for this because he doesn't hear anything but his echo.
8 months ago: PH, she is not listening. She is up on her high horse slaying dragons that are not there. No mater what we say, she will respond with personal attacks based on half read comments that do not say what she imagines they say, nor will she take credit for what she does say. It is as if she is "our" wife and looking for a fight no matter how, no matter where, no matter why and there is no answer she will accept except complete and utter submission to her will.
8 months ago: I tried with you. Now I see you only want attention. I don't know who is stupider. Nothing is enough for you. You two want to be noticed and that's it.
Take a hike. I have no respect for either one of you. I am on a high horse, too bad. I will not read your trash because it is trash, and I will not let any evil infect me. As far as I see, you are both negative and everyone knows it.
From now on, you are invisible to me because of your lack of respect.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: I hate to break it to you, but considering that you refuse to read and comprehend what you are responding to, and since this is a debate site, you appear to be the one with no respect.
8 months ago: PHSIX,

You claim Sunny is waging a "personal" war... yet all you guys have in this fight is your opinion. Were is your "logical" reference and historical precedent? Funny how it takes two strong men to team up against, what you call an informatable opponent !:]
8 months ago: Sunny, my wife thinks I'm stupid for continuing to converse with you so I think it better to let you stew in your own juices for a while and maybe you will spend a few hours reading all the posts you didn't comprehend before you fired off your rapid fire attempts to "put this southern boy" in his place. Maybe after you have read what you wrote on multiple occasions you will come to some understanding of why things are said the way they are said and why you have interpreted them incorrectly.

Thanks for the positive things you have said on multiple occasions, it gives me hope that you will become lucid once again and return to posting things not so emotionally based that they are incomprehensible.
8 months ago: Yes, dear
Well at least she knows you are being stupid.
I hope she doesn't think like you where you brow beat into submission.
I will not read your posts or his.
I've been there Southern boy so I know.
I will not interpret anything you say as good.
8 months ago: Sunny, once again you did not read or did not comprehend what was said. My wife did not say I was being stupid, she said it was stupid of me to keep responding to you because you are not logically or even rationally attempting to discuss the topics, you are lashing out at everyone who disagrees with you instead of trying to come to some small bit of understanding of both sides of the issue. It means that to continue to bash my head against a wall is a futile effort and will result in no gain for either side.

My wife is far from submissive. She is my wife, not my property. She does what she wants, as she wants. She has her own opinions, many are opposite of mine.

Your understanding of the Southern culture is far from complete.

Too late. You already have.
8 months ago: Truth, is your break time over yet? Or does reading non-religious sites confuse you?

Just funnin ya, I know you aren't confused.
8 months ago: Six,

I have looked at the explanations given to "debunk" polystrata trees and other polystrate fossils... and if you look at them too you will find dismissal... saying that there was a localized rapid deposition by the evidence... yet the fact remains that according to the "textbooks" on COALIFICATION
http://waterquality.montana.edu/docs/pho...
TIME HEAT AND PRESSURE doesn't allow for a tree to be found linking multi-strata layers, let alone coal seams. SIX, humor your self and do the math...

polystrata fossils
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G-TwXP_c...

...if you are schooled in a particular train of thought like you and most in North America are, there is no room for free-thought. To consider the facts (especially those that point to a young earth scenario) would derail your thought-train, and cause "intellectual suicide" ...too bad too many are constrained by education, instead of liberated by it, to consider the evidence.

What some on this site forget, is that I was not always a Christian... and furthermore, one who believed in the textbook evolution. It was questioning the observable, and non-observable "science" that caused my shift to Creationism. Just because someone tells you a young Earth model exists... or because someone tells you a young Earth model doesn't exist... is no reason to conclude second-hand information is correct. And just because someone tells you God exists... or because someone tells you He doesn't... is no reason to conclude second-hand information is correct... research and experience is a great first-hand teacher.
8 months ago: Truth, your "my sites are better than your sites" is just not making inroads into proving your fossils are anything other than fossils.

Are you trying to prove the Young Earth theory, Flood Theory, Creation Theory or just trying to wear me down?

http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~matthewt/yec...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APoly...

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1986/0110/report...
8 months ago: Six,

Basically there is a problem with a poly strata fossil if the dates for any given strata is a differing age from the other... what's worse is that one coal seam that takes thousands of years to develop, cannot be linked by one tree to another coal seam. Think also about the problem of carbon and radiometric dating... when the strata differs in age, and the tree differs in age? It is easier and less confusing if one just opens their eyes and see that all this strata and coal seams were laid down by rapid deposition. All organic material, and sediment material in a flood... that is what the global model has evidence for... the problem is that it doesn't agree with the pseudo science propaganda!

Inaccurate Dating Methods
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedi...
8 months ago: She said stop writing. I believe in Jesus Christ and you believe in the devil.
You both can stew in your own juices.
You will never never win.
I feel sorry for the woman you know.
Don't confuse her.
8 months ago: Sunny, if I don't believe in your religion, why would I believe in your Devil?

No, I doubt if there will ever be a "win" in this discussion. If was never the goal. A draw is about as close as it can get. So far if is not much more than a shout down and a response.

Don't know why you would feel that way. They are quite free to speak their minds, do their own things and seem to enjoy their lives as free US citizens. I guess it is different in NY. Maybe I should ask a friend of mine and his wife how NY is compared to my home state. They have been married a little less time than we have and seem happy. He is from Buffalo, if memory serves me. Ever heard of it?

She is not easy to confuse, usually has to be something mechanical or electronic, otherwise she can figure it out pretty quick. My advice to you is don't underestimate her.
8 months ago: Who are you talking about? I'm not even thinking about it.
Buffalo is a far cry from NYC. NY has taller buildings, but people are people. Have you ever been there? I have several times.
I believe totally in my religion, I'm giving you slack.
If I went into, you would know. I don't out of respect for you.
All I have to say is, I love Jesus.
I don't think it is right for me to judge anyone, nor you.
8 months ago: Sunny, NY is not NYC and yes I've been to both, more than once.

I try not to.
8 months ago: Truth could you write on something else more fun.
These people are too not with it.
8 months ago: Sunny, Truth is busy researching......

Yeah, I'm not to stylish. Shorts, T shirts from who knows where, and since you think I'm a hick, bare feet, bad teeth and greasy hair, and might as well add some "bacco" spittle dripping down my scrubby chin and don't forget the one eye that don't point any place in particular and the baldspot on one side of my head where the chainsaw nicked me.

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant not with it because I'm not stylish like they are in NY cuz I'm from the South. You were talking about being "with it" as in religiously faithful to the cause. Got me there, I'm not.

Yeah Truth, How about a fun article. One where we can all get a laugh.
8 months ago: That's funny. You know I don't mean that. You made me really laugh at that one. Is that what I said to you? Sorry.
8 months ago: I guess I won. Got rid of you.
8 months ago: Sunny, there is no winning or losing in this type of discussion. There is gloating, but usually it is from a false sense of superiority and doesn't last long.

Maybe you should try to revive Sunny2 or follow Siempre Solo's lead and see if that gives you a win. I miss that guy. Sunny2 was a bit more levelheaded, or maybe it was just that she didn't take everything so personally and try to cat fight everyone.
8 months ago: I thought you said your good wife said you couldn't talk to me.
If you don't feel up to it and this is exhausting to you, you shouldn't talk on this matter.
I do care, and I care about you and PH. You seem to get mad at everything I say. I say yes I agree, you say I said no I didn't agree. I don't have a false superiority. I live my life in a good decent way. No one is superior in this life. If they think that, they are nuts.
Oh so you remember Sunny2. The one who tried to help you with your prescriptions so that you could get them at a low cost. The one who was concerned about unemployment. I do care.
The only cat fight is you and PH. You call names and expect everyone to bow down and take it. I don't have any problem with you on any other subject. If I believe in God, I'm not level headed is that it. See what you do. I respect you and PH if you respect me and the others. I'm not really against Gay marraiges or Gay people, I think it is a long way off and that's it. That's all. You push me in a corner and then you make remarks. I miss Six.
PerfectHorizon
PerfectHorizon
Chicago, IL
8 months ago: A long way off? Gay marriage is legal in 6 states already, passed and awaiting approval in 2 others...this is happening now. What I am advocating is to keep the Federal Government out of marriage, especially when it comes to the far right attempting to pass unconstitutional amendments.


*as a side note: you can marry your FIRST cousin in 26 states...where are you and all the Christian moral police on this? Is begin gay really worse than incest?
8 months ago: PH,

You say... "you can marry your FIRST cousin in 26 states...where are you and all the Christian moral police on this? Is begin gay really worse than incest?" ...How do you define incest without a moral code or ancient religious dogma? As a Bible student I know we aren't under the Mosaic Law... yet almost every custom forbids immediate family sexual relations... and I would have to agree. But there is a far cry from marrying your cousin and a same-sex union.
8 months ago: You speak of Gay marraiges as if it is the purest type on earth and full of love, yet here you show no love and no caring about them or anyone else.
It is a way off in terms of being accepted. It is like everything else when you are outnumbered.
Now you are going to yell about something else that everyone knows about. You need control boy.
James Rollins just wrote a new book called Blood Line which is about an elitist family of high society and old money, and their strategy to intermarry to keep the blood line pure. I just finished it.
8 months ago: Six should have something to say on this one.
8 months ago: Well if marrying your sibling was good enough for Biblical characters.......

Actually I'm not into that kind of relationship for myself and consider cousins a little too close, for me, but not outside the possibilities depending on situation. As far as making laws, no closer than 1st cousins is fine by me.

Let's see, incest, that would be sex with anyone fathered or birthed by your own father and mother, that would be direct bloodline. Not sure how the bloodline goes when you get into aunts and uncles breeding with non-related partners and then those offspring breeding with you or your siblings, yes that is first cousins but what is the bloodline other than indirect?

Don't need no moral code or religious dogma to figure that out but it does help to know all your whole and half siblings. 1st cousins are not "fair game" but they are not off limits either, depending on the situation.
8 months ago: Sunny, shouldn't and couldn't have different meanings. I'm not the one making threats to not post and other things that indicate anger/frustration.

False superiority? My dear, you come across as thinking you are superior, ESPECIALLY over those who don't believe in religion! But that is how most who follow a religion act toward those of us without the need for "faith" in a deity.

I have records of RR posts and I still get my prescriptions nearly free or if I want to drive 70 miles, totally free but then I have to calculate fuel cost so I just use the mail and the local Rx.

It is not that I "push" you into a corner, it is more that you drive the conversation to the point of either "box her in" or abandon the attempt to get a rational answer and we know I'm not much on abandoning anything.